I was well aware of domestic abuse and sexual assault issues before the SNES launched too.
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I always knew Era was the most right-wing, fascist, pro-police site on the internet. This just seals it. smdh
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/target-closing-san-francisco-stores-early-in-response-to-theft-and-safety-concerns.454234/post-69094168Quotehttps://twitter.com/DionLimTV/status/1412270903312850945This happens everywhere in the US all the time.
Quotehttps://twitter.com/DionLimTV/status/1412270903312850945This happens everywhere in the US all the time.
https://twitter.com/DionLimTV/status/1412270903312850945
honestly the only fix to this is to force these people into community service as punishment with a wage then if they are repeat offenders then sadly prison is gonna happen
Prison for minor property crime? No. I don't agree with that even for repeat offenders.
"People mad at shoplifting? Must be Tucker Carlson right wing conservatives!"Re is killing me
There was no shoplifting in Stalin's Soviet Union. Chew on that WHITE TECHIE LIBERALS.
Poverty breeds crime. You want less crime, demand higher wages. It’s literally that simple.
Time to get over your grudge that The Obliterator stole your name.
Cool, I'll be by your place in a few hours to steal some of your shit.Don't bother trying to replace it, because I'm just gonna steal it again.
This situation in San Francisco reminds me a lot of the situation here in Madison with teenagers stealing cars, where a small contingent of people are doing it, they always get caught and often cause major accidents, and there is zero real punishment or response from law enforcement or the DA so it keeps on happening with no end in sight. To a certain degree you can blame the car owners for not locking their cars
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on July 08, 2021, 04:18:40 PM"People mad at shoplifting? Must be Tucker Carlson right wing conservatives!"Re is killing me You have people who actually live there in that thread saying that yes, it really is a problem. So naturally the usual suspects on that site just resort to the accusations and name calling because they have no leg to stand on. Thread will be closed shortly and the mods will silence those damn cop supporters.
Shoplifting actually creates wealth. It's literally that simple.
People don’t usually steal for the sake of it. It doesn’t matter where they steal from, they’re usually doing it for 2 reasons: to consume the product themselves, or to fence the product for some quick cash. Either way, they’re doing it to survive.
QuoteDo you suggest to keep increasing fines per offense then? Or some other form of punishment?I would suggest that San Francisco deal with its institutional problems before increasing fines or jailing people trying to survive. In a city with dozens of billionaires and tens of thousands of millionaires, there should not be rampant homelessness and poverty.
Do you suggest to keep increasing fines per offense then? Or some other form of punishment?
How about crime is bad no matter who its being committed against?
Well i dunno, nuance is needed. The idea of having a small business owner conflicted between using a weapon to force someone trying to steal to stop or to just stand by and let it happen is much more different than the idea of a big corporation being stolen from.
You really think Target and Walgreens is leaving an big city over petty theft? If that was the case, why hasn’t Walgreens left East Oakland? San Francisco hasn’t recovered fully from the Pandemic. The high rents is more of an reason of closing early. They’re using petty crime as an excuse.
Quote from: Propagandhim on July 08, 2021, 04:32:17 PMShoplifting actually creates wealth. It's literally that simple.It‘s all insured anyway. Everyone knows that insurance companies got rich by doing generous payouts.
QuoteYou really think Target and Walgreens is leaving an big city over petty theft? If that was the case, why hasn’t Walgreens left East Oakland? San Francisco hasn’t recovered fully from the Pandemic. The high rents is more of an reason of closing early. They’re using petty crime as an excuse.Why do they keep coming up with conspiracy theories? As if those stores need an excuse to close early
Does anyone here live in the Bay Area. I need some stuff and I will even pay for shipping
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 08, 2021, 04:38:32 PMDoes anyone here live in the Bay Area. I need some stuff and I will even pay for shippingshosta does nowhe actually lives near the famous Walgreens from the viral video
QuoteYou know, those of us who live here but are not republicans are also pretty fucking bummed with how the city is being run right now. It's fucking shit, and all it takes is living here to know that theft and property crime are entirely out of control. Honestly, implying that anyone who is against the kind of rampant theft and petty crime that is sweeping SF must be a republican is .. something else.Okay? Way to miss the point entirely and assume some bizarre implication. The GOP has been accelerating law and order fear mongering to the extreme to rile up their base and help push other shitty agendas. Stories like these only further reinforce their (national) narratives. This story alone has blown up on conservative twitter. I get it. Your city is ran like shit. Thinking that's not being used as political capital elsewhere though is naïve.
You know, those of us who live here but are not republicans are also pretty fucking bummed with how the city is being run right now. It's fucking shit, and all it takes is living here to know that theft and property crime are entirely out of control. Honestly, implying that anyone who is against the kind of rampant theft and petty crime that is sweeping SF must be a republican is .. something else.
Between that comment and their meltdown in the "burning the American flag" thread this week, a pattern in starting to form.
Except that one of the Admin is also complaining about the shoplifting.
Harsher shoplifting penalties = less shoplifting but more armed robberies, muggings, and breaking and entering.They should address the systemic issues causing the shoplifting (poverty and inequality), instead of putting people and jail and scarlet lettering people for the next 10 years of their life.
QuoteHarsher shoplifting penalties = less shoplifting but more armed robberies, muggings, and breaking and entering.They should address the systemic issues causing the shoplifting (poverty and inequality), instead of putting people and jail and scarlet lettering people for the next 10 years of their life.
Wanting to throw massive amount of people into prison and have them fight wildfires because of some vague concern about property values is kind of the definition of capitalistic
For the record, I'm a San Franciscan that finds the concept of being okay with a massive overcorrection to abhorrent as fuck.
Quote from: ZeoVGM, https://www.resetera.com/threads/target-closing-san-francisco-stores-early-in-response-to-theft-and-safety-concerns.454234/post-69097273Between that comment and their meltdown in the "burning the American flag" thread this week, a pattern in starting to form.GOT EMMODS, GET TO WORK
Quote from: Septimus PrimeWhether it is useful to the right's narrative is sort of irrelevant. This is the thing about ERA. It's all about the left/right politics game to some users.
Whether it is useful to the right's narrative is sort of irrelevant.
Fining and jailing people isn't going to fix this problem when it's clearly a side effect of San Fran clearly trying to price out anyone who doesn't have deep pockets.Buncha "not in my backyard" adject people showing their asses here, it seems like. Not surpised that most of the people stanning for this in this thread are likely people who have deep pockets compared to the average american.
Sounds like your saying white allies are only allies when they feel safe and problems seem distant, and the moment things get a little tough they’ll threaten to turn into overt racists and put the jack-booted thugs in power.
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 08, 2021, 04:33:50 PMQuote from: Propagandhim on July 08, 2021, 04:32:17 PMShoplifting actually creates wealth. It's literally that simple.It‘s all insured anyway. Everyone knows that insurance companies got rich by doing generous payouts.Everybody knows that Target and Walmart like to close stores early and blame it to the small guys.
Incel really hung up on this “oh so send them to fight the fires for a buck an hour eh? EH?!?!” thing. Totally ignoring the firefighter thing is voluntary
Target can make easy money selling their buildings to real estate developers (lessening the housing pressure) and going someplace where attrition by theft is more acceptable. I don't see how anyone stands to lose from this overall.
If shoplifting was decriminalized here I’d be shoplifting too. What the hell did they expect to happen?
Don't prosecute these types of crimes and instead set up a fund where if anyone is caught on security camera shoplifting, then the shop gets reimbursed by the local government. Obviously, this adds paperwork overhead for the shop owners but it kind of a way of making them whole again.
Quote from: Lonewulfeus on July 08, 2021, 05:13:08 PMIf shoplifting was decriminalized here I’d be shoplifting too. What the hell did they expect to happen?Maybe you can steal Francisco Lindor‘s bat, he clearly doesn’t use or need it.BOOM. ROASTED
I’d imagine somewhere like SF is peak limousine liberal. Not a true progressive environment when it comes to actually doing the work for those below a certain income level.
They do realize where taxes and government budgets come from, right?
Quote Don't prosecute these types of crimes and instead set up a fund where if anyone is caught on security camera shoplifting, then the shop gets reimbursed by the local government. Obviously, this adds paperwork overhead for the shop owners but it kind of a way of making them whole again.They do realize where taxes and government budgets come from, right?
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 08, 2021, 05:17:38 PMQuote from: Lonewulfeus on July 08, 2021, 05:13:08 PMIf shoplifting was decriminalized here I’d be shoplifting too. What the hell did they expect to happen?Maybe you can steal Francisco Lindor‘s bat, he clearly doesn’t use or need it.BOOM. ROASTED His defense is still great!
Yes, you've made it quite clear that there is absolutely no grey area for you and you don't care about the long term repercussions or the fact that it will (factually) lead to some people going to jail for years for shoplifting.
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 08, 2021, 05:22:17 PMThey do realize where taxes and government budgets come from, right?The either.Literally. A bunch of them are Chartalists or were back on NeoGAF.com.
