Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Momo]

I guess I can give Coco a whirl, whats the harm 


I suppose he'd be doing a lot of entertainment industry people, anyone else you can suggest with scientists, businessmen, current year social commentators? Can be different podcasts, but not Dave Rubin please. 

[thisismyusername]

Read today his video episodes are also moving to Spotify;  will be interesting to see if we ever get metrics on his views what being behind a paywall does for something like that... or likely forced ads people can't ad-block away like on YouTUbe.

Apparently, all his stuff will still be "free."

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAYSqQLFP_l/

Announcement: the podcast is moving to @spotify!
Starting on September 1 the podcast will be available on Spotify as well as all platforms, and then at the end of the year it will move exclusively to Spotify, including the video version.
It will remain FREE, and it will be the exact same show. It’s just a licensing deal, so Spotify won’t have any creative control over the show. They want me to just continue doing it the way I’m doing it right now.
We will still have clips up on YouTube but full versions of the show will only be on Spotify after the end of the year.
I’m excited to have the support of the largest audio platform in the world and I hope you folks are there when we make the switch!

We'll see if the latter holds for the former.

[Momo]

I'd even listen to fucking Tim Pool if he got guests on and it wasnt just him and his two fuckbeards reacting to things

[Momo]

also not h3h3 podcast, way too meta

[thisismyusername]

TIMU:  Yeah but I'm not sure people can ad-block Spotify as easily as YouTube?

...Which is probably why he's switching. He's all about the ad-money.

[Uncle]

as far as losing userbase, not just because people wouldn't be able to ad block, some can't even listen in their country

[Transhuman]

Why not start your new life today

tbh if i find a similar podcast guest wise (minus the endless stream of unfunny comedians) with a host that's even slightly smarter than Joe i'm there.

trashys life long dream is to be the latest addition to rogans giant stable of unfunny comedian friends

That reminds me of this funny Joe Rogan joke I heard once.

[bork]

as far as losing userbase, not just because people wouldn't be able to ad block, some can't even listen in their country

(Image removed from quote.)

VPN?

[Uncle]

if they're not already paying for it I wouldn't start just to listen to joe

[porkbun]

if they're not already paying for it I wouldn't start just to listen to joe

It's not going to be behind a paywall.  It will be available for free and (at least as far as I know) ad free except for the "live" reads Joe does.

[Momo]

Bryan Callen has a podcast without that dweeb Brendan Scrub?

[Tripon]

Bryan Callen has a podcast without that dweeb Brendan Scrub?

Bryan Callen's dad was some sort of international banker. 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Imagine not understanding the point of an op ed section.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/abolish-op-eds-nyt-gives-scott-walker-former-governor-and-ongoing-financial-charlatan-a-platform-to-argue-that-states-shouldnt-be-bailed-out.209337/

The New York Times has abdicated all responsibility to truth and honesty via the Op-Ed section....And they'll tell you Op-Ed is just Opinions but it's in the same newspaper, there's no rebuttals or anything. It is a dereliction of duty as an outlet of supposed journalistic integrity to allow such unfettered pieces to be proliferated

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Yet incelsheet reads buzzfeed daily

[Pissy F Benny]

excel bases her opinions on hot takes from randos on twitter, aka the real journalists

[bork]

if they're not already paying for it I wouldn't start just to listen to joe

It's not going to be behind a paywall.  It will be available for free and (at least as far as I know) ad free except for the "live" reads Joe does.

He means paying for a VPN.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I like how that thread didn't take off.



Expecting a self bump soon.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Let me first preface this by saying that this idea is radical. It's probably unworkable, utopian and completely batshit stupid, but it's also something to think about.

This idea comes off of the back of the recent harrassment experienced by Twitch streamer "FerociouslySteph", in which Steph stated that Voice Chat (VC) is a distinct disadvantage at the top levels of play in competetive gaming because society is full of shitheads who can't just let gamers play games without targeting protected characteristics (my words, not theirs). A woman playing a competetive game at the top tiers of play will forever be at a disadvantage in VC purely because all the cis-white gamerbros around her will use her sex or gender to belittle her as soon as they possibly can, as speaking up in VC immediately exposes her identity. Someone fighting the psychological assault of their own team will never perform as well as their co-ordinated opponents. And so most women just don't bother with VC. It isn't designed for them.

A lot of people claim that if that's the problem, then women could just mute VC. Yes, what a great argument. To prove that there isn't a problem after all. What a fantastic way to tell women to just shut up and stay quiet like the good little servants they were born to be! But more importantly if that's the "solution" then surely VC isn't important and therefore arguing in protection of it is just moot? If it's unimportant enough that some people should "just mute" and supposedly not matter then it's unimportant enough for it to be removed entirely.

It's a stupid rebuttal. I hope we're all clear on that?

And then someone in the comments to the article above posted about how we need to push usage of voice chat harder:

Honestly, if anything, we need to push usage of voice chat harder. Women play games. A lot of women play games. So do LGBTQ+ people, and people with “non-standard voices”. And the fact is, by sheer numbers, the stable, non-assholeish people outnumber the manbaby rage children by a pretty huge margin, and yet we have more or less completed ceded the field to them uncontested.

Lots of women end up opting out of VOIP because they are afraid of being harassed, and that is a perfectly valid fear, but the end result is that by opting out in large numbers, women in games even less visible. And that lack of female voices makes women seem like even more of a minority then they factually are, to such an extent that when a woman does actually speak up she has an even higher chancing of standing out as an “other”, and is far more likely to be harassed because of it.

If 80% of a games player base can be assumed to be non-toxic, normal people, but they refuse to use VOIP just because they don’t want to deal with 20% who are toxic, then all we’ve done is given said toxic players an echo-chamber, and helped to craft the illusion that they’re the majority, that their behavior is the norm, and that they are at all resprestiative of “gaming culture”.

The only way to deal with a vocal minority of toxic players is to drown them out with am even more vocal majority of diverse voices, and stop letting these absolute morons dictate the conversation as if they have any actual power outside of petulant whining.

And that got me thinking about this crazy idea.

Yes. Push voice chat harder. Normalise women playing games. Crush society's preconceived notions of sex, gender and misogyny, but do it to the extreme. If we live in a society where women are socially belittled in every way possible in ways that cis-white males could never understand, why not tip that balance in your digital online ecosystem where you have the ability to do so? Why not do it in a way that would cause so much furor and uproar that it would completely destabilise the zeitgeist and make gamerbros the ones who are scared to speak in VC?

Design most of your game so that it's gender agnostic and appeals to everyone, but then give every woman the power to kick harrassers from any match.

It's such a fucking insane idea and I LOVE it. Suddenly men are the ones who need to consider if joining VC is worth it. Suddenly men are the ones who know how it feels to be the targeted demographic, purely because a woman might hear their (generally) lower timbre and realise "holy shit, there's a man in this game and I'm the one with power." Society's issues are omnipresent and this won't suddenly fix that overnight, and in a lot of ways this could be seen as an insult to the social cause due to the "triviality" of gaming but you've got to break some eggs to make an omelette. And could you imagine the headlines that this would generate? Maybe, just maybe the reaction to doing this is so uproarious that it begins a new movement further empowering women in video games, normalising the landscape in such a way that video games are no longer a "boy's thing" (which they certainly still are, especially in competetive play), especially if you make a pointed effort to actively disrupt the societal dynamic.

Now duh this would cause a world of potentially impossible problems with no workable solutions. You're overpowering women for the sake of destabilising the imbalance between the sexes, but why shouldn't that happen in a high profile case at least once?

First of all how would you prevent abuse of the system? How would you stop some women from kicking whoever they want regardless of whether or not they've even spoken up? Frankly you probably can't, but isn't that the point? That women, who have spent their whole lives in the working sector fighting for equality and in many situations losing out to their equally (or often lesser) skilled male opponents, are now able to use that power however they want? It has a beautiful symmetry to it in a way.

Perhaps even more obviously how do you determine who is genuinely female? (and of course by this I am also including trans women. That just isn't up for debate.) Do you resort to legal documentation? How do you ethically justify that requirement just for a feature in your video game? But then do you just take them on their word? And then who's to stop men from gaming the system and trying to gain the privileges of women in your closed ecosystem? Again, the answer is probably that you can't. There's also the risk of accidentally misgendering someone either at the privilege granting level or during gameplay. This is a theoretical system that unfortunately relies on a lot of other theoretical systems working flawlessly in unison.

And even providing you make this system work in a game, how do you stop it from devolving into a complete cesspool ruled by one group who possess a protected characteristic at the expense of those who do not? Simply, you can't. Unless you just don't speak. Tipping the balance.

I think it's an incredibly powerful idea, and I'd love for it to come to fruition in some way in reality. But given the cost of development of video games and the risk of alienating your male demographic I highly doubt that any big company would implement a system like this in any meaningful way. Which to me just feels like yet another way that imbalance would win out over prioritising the interests of women in a given medium.

And of course this post focuses on gender (or arguably more noticeably, given the nature of VC, sex), but who's to say that you couldn't empower minorities in this same way? The only reason that I didn't delve deeply into that idea is because VC is more likely to reveal sex first, and race second especially with regional matchmaking where you're much more likely to encounter someone who is probably of your own race. One is no more important than the other though, please make no mistake.

This idea could spearhead something huge if a company big enough took it seriously, genuinely seriously enough and valued women more than the potential outcome of implementing a system that might doom their game and have nobody play it. I'd argue that the buzz it would create might mitigate that but I get it. I also get that some of you reading this might think that the idea itself is fucking stupid. It would never work so it isn't even worth contemplating. Some of you might disagree with the ideology, and I can guarantee this thread will appear on the twitters and forums of incels who are complaining about how "REEEEEra is trying to censor the whole world!!" and that Vexii is some SJW fuck spreading cancer to the masses.

But to all of that I'll simply quote: "we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

[Pissy F Benny]

stop trying to oppress gamers lefty scum

[HaughtyFrank]

The real problem with this idea

So...you want women to essentially doxx themselves to a game company to be able to kick people from voice chat? I don't think many are going to be willing to do that, especially trans women.

Isn't thinking that women can do no wrong and wouldn't abuse this power its own kind of sexism?

[bork]

Did they give up on closing all the Excel threads that just contain tweets?

[HaughtyFrank]

I'd advocate, but i know it will probably not happen, is that when I report someone in a game someone would listen to it. If there was toxic behavior. The video game company would send the info of the player to a local police station. Then the police would fine the person.

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The real problem with this idea

So...you want women to essentially doxx themselves to a game company to be able to kick people from voice chat? I don't think many are going to be willing to do that, especially trans women.

Isn't thinking that women can do no wrong and wouldn't abuse this power its own kind of sexism?

He (of course it's a he) got you covered fam

First of all how would you prevent abuse of the system? How would you stop some women from kicking whoever they want regardless of whether or not they've even spoken up? Frankly you probably can't, but isn't that the point? That women, who have spent their whole lives in the working sector fighting for equality and in many situations losing out to their equally (or often lesser) skilled male opponents, are now able to use that power however they want? It has a beautiful symmetry to it in a way.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

M'lady
*tips fedora*

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Also I like how he prefaces his legendarily dumbfuck idea with "I'm sure those alt-right forums are going to post this and complain about muh ess jay dubyas" and not just on the merits of what a spectacularly idiotic concept he has proudly come up, like a potty training child who has successfully taken a huge shit

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

This is one of the dumbest of not the dumbest idea I've seen on Era and Era has no shortage of dumb ideas.

Dumber than perpetuating a cycle in which women are harrassed simply for speaking at all? Dumber than perpetuating a cycle in which women are doxxed for pointing out the inherent sexism in competetive gaming?

[Joe Molotov]

Can women ban other women? Or is there a ban hierarchy, where cis women can only ban men, trans women can ban cis women, black trans women can ban white trans women?

[BIONIC]

excel bases her opinions on hot takes from randos on twitter, aka the real journalists

Sounds like our US politics thread 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-stadia-exclusivity-will-keep-serious-sam-4-off-ps4-and-xbox-until-2021.209427/

This threads getting pretty good with the "just another launcher bro" comments from the PC crowd

[Coitus]

Society's issues are omnipresent and this won't suddenly fix that overnight, and in a lot of ways this could be seen as an insult to the social cause due to the "triviality" of gaming but you've got to break some eggs to make an omelette. And could you imagine the headlines that this would generate?

Using a phrase attributed to a French Royalist to justify your proposed Committee for Female Gamer Safety. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

[jorma]

And even providing you make this system work in a game, how do you stop it from devolving into a complete cesspool ruled by one group who possess a protected characteristic at the expense of those who do not? Simply, you can't. Unless you just don't speak. Tipping the balance.

Not hard to see where he got the idea from to be honest. 

[HaughtyFrank]

Nothing about this would work in reality, or even holds up to any kind of scrutiny.

"Wtf, why is this woman locking my thread"

[jorma]

And even providing you make this system work in a game, how do you stop it from devolving into a complete cesspool ruled by one group who possess a protected characteristic at the expense of those who do not? Simply, you can't. Unless you just don't speak. Tipping the balance.

Not hard to see where he got the idea from to be honest. 

and in this light, the lock message from a mod is pretty chefkiss 

The suggestions in the OP are so bizarre and unworkable that this thread needs two lock messages.

[Joe Molotov]

A one...a twooo-oooo...a three....three lock messages.

[DJ Bedroom]

Isn't multiplayer the equivalent of a slur for those nerds anyway?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

A one...a twooo-oooo...a three....three lock messages.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nature-has-reached-a-verdict-canada-us.209508/

zero effort thread containing a tweet from a rando and that's it again.
Guess Bitch Dubs is still on vay kay

[Cauliflower Of Love]

all of excels thread are falling off the main page in under 40 posts.

she's really for a hit today

[Clockwork5]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nature-has-reached-a-verdict-canada-us.209508/

zero effort thread containing a tweet from a rando and that's it again.
Guess Bitch Dubs is still on vay kay

And just when you posted this *someone* bumped the thread with a nice passive aggressive post.


edit: ughh. Actually it looks like someone bumped that thread just when I saw your post.... it wasn’t me, I was banned from that place ages ago.

[railGUN]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fedex-fired-two-black-deliverymen-after-confrontation-with-white-costumer.209637/#post-34578279

This thread is flying off the rails 8 posts in 

It has the makings of a goodie, too, especially with Nepenthe already in the mix not so subtly accusing posters of being racists.

[Nintex]

that’s gonna be a whoosh from me dawg

Meanwhile in conference room 4 at 343 industries.

"So yeah, he's still doing it, fuck"

"Goddammit, why won't they just fire him"

"Long time employee bro, permanent contract, also bad for PR"

"You know what's bad for PR?"

"Yeah, I hear you man"

"FUCK THIS GUY"

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/13-reasons-why-final-season-trailer.209373/page-2

I don't know about that. Isn't the point of season 3 that he was irredeemable, and that's why he was killed? His final (living) scene was basically what it came down to, and how he's still a monster regardless of everything that happened.

Then why did they spend the entire season showing that he was regretting his actions?

I think the point was to deconstruct the character. They did the same for Hannah Baker in S2. S1 presented everything from her perspective, and it made her seem like an angel. S2 was deconstructing the character, showing other perspectives and how it informed who she actually was. I think what they wanted to do with S3 was do the same for Bryce, who was presented as nothing but evil in S1/S2, but have his perspective inform who he actually was.

They might have failed or succeeded at presenting a more complex character in S3, but I'm not sure their goal was to justify his actions.

 

Wah?

So he was a monster that regreted his actions but is irrimediable because I think the show tried to told us that even if the next season is all about abuse victim searching for justice for the rapist (and closet homosexual) that punch him and called him taco, because the main characters framed him for murdering the other rapist (cause the real murderer was friends with the mains).

...

Are you sure the show had any intentions beyond "exploitative tween drama" ?

[Boredfrom]

Sure, but then wasn't the conclusion presented by the show still that, ultimately, he's a piece of shit? The season was definitely still trying to redeem parts of his character, but I think that the end goal was still showing that he was a monster. Showing that, despite it all, he was still the person who caused all the hurt. Just like they showed that, despite what Hannah might have done in S2, she was still the victim.

I'm not saying they well executed on the concept, but I think it's what they were trying to achieve regardless.

Ah, here is the moral absolutism that was missing from the other posts. It was weird to no see this in your posts.

You are saying the show (that wants to pride itself of being some sort of educational and realistic tool for teens*) intentions was to say: "Is okay to do extrajudicial excecution of a rapist and covering the murder as long you frame another rapist (as long he is dead)"

I seriously doubt this is the intention because the trailer just imply that the last season is all about "dont cover murders or you you friends are going to die". 


*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

[BisMarckie]

If you are watching 13 Reasons Why, YOU should kill yourself.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fedex-fired-two-black-deliverymen-after-confrontation-with-white-costumer.209637/#post-34578279

This thread is flying off the rails 8 posts in 

It has the makings of a goodie, too, especially with Nepenthe already in the mix not so subtly accusing posters of being racists.

I agree with nepenthe, if someone starts shouting at a delivery driver purely because they're black they're a massive racist.
Which is why I am 100% sure there is more to this story than "man sees delivery driver and decides to start fight because of their colour".

So this racist white trash harassed black essential workers, probably called em distinguished black fellows and called the cops on em

Just get mad about shit you literally just invented breh

[benjipwns]

User banned (3 months): Whataboutism. Dismissing concerns around racist stereotypes.

There are plenty of other stereotypical white planets. I was watching another season 1 episode where Wesley breaks some white people greenhouse and is sentenced to death.

And why are stereotypical africans definitively bad? Do you think that African culture would not be able to achieve sophisticated technology and interstellar travel unless they were guided by a European-esque culture?

Star Trek has never equated technological advancement with moral advancement. Klingon, Ferengi and even Federation culture is depicted as racist, misogynist throughout the run of the show.

get banned over Star Trek breh

oh wait

[benjipwns]

[ToxicAdam]

Twitter is the Death Star.

[thisismyusername]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fedex-fired-two-black-deliverymen-after-confrontation-with-white-costumer.209637/#post-34578279

This thread is flying off the rails 8 posts in 

It has the makings of a goodie, too, especially with Nepenthe already in the mix not so subtly accusing posters of being racists.

I agree with nepenthe, if someone starts shouting at a delivery driver purely because they're black they're a massive racist.
Which is why I am 100% sure there is more to this story than "man sees delivery driver and decides to start fight because of their colour".

So this racist white trash harassed black essential workers, probably called em distinguished black fellows and called the cops on em

(Image removed from quote.)

Just get mad about shit you literally just invented breh

Apparently the backstory is: "They thought we were robbing their place." Which... is pretty batshit mental. You see a dude in FedEx regalia, and think "yep, coming to rob me?"

[VomKriege]

Can women ban other women? Or is there a ban hierarchy, where cis women can only ban men, trans women can ban cis women, black trans women can ban white trans women?

I think it's an incredibly powerful idea, and I'd love for it to come to fruition in some way in reality.

[Momo]

Can women ban other women? Or is there a ban hierarchy, where cis women can only ban men, trans women can ban cis women, black trans women can ban white trans women?

I think it's an incredibly powerful idea, and I'd love for it to come to fruition in some way in reality.

Who can men ban? Who's lower than a man?

[VomKriege]

Can women ban other women? Or is there a ban hierarchy, where cis women can only ban men, trans women can ban cis women, black trans women can ban white trans women?

I think it's an incredibly powerful idea, and I'd love for it to come to fruition in some way in reality.

Who can men ban? Who's lower than a man?

A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Cis White People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick

[Momo]

Can men ban Chinese and Russian nationals?

[Momo]

Can women ban other women? Or is there a ban hierarchy, where cis women can only ban men, trans women can ban cis women, black trans women can ban white trans women?

I think it's an incredibly powerful idea, and I'd love for it to come to fruition in some way in reality.

Who can men ban? Who's lower than a man?

a woman

rock paper scissors system 

[remy]

Ending E absolutely is that neat bow on the plot, though. Like, I honestly don't know what else someone would want out of the story.

The best way I can describe how I feel about Taro games is that they never feel like the end. They feel like an end. You did the thing; Now what?

comic book movies have set back human culture by dozens of decades
edit:

I hate it when writing is vague. I HATE it.
I don't like going out of my way to consider what the writer might have meant.
Paying attention to vauge symbolism, having to read in between the lines, and all that junk.
Be CLEAR and CONCISE. I need solid answers.

dozens of dozens of decades

The game would be much better if 9S turned to the camera at the end and told me what he learned after having his worldview upended. It would be even better if he could travel back in time and save all the humans 

[Boredfrom]

Ending E absolutely is that neat bow on the plot, though. Like, I honestly don't know what else someone would want out of the story.

The best way I can describe how I feel about Taro games is that they never feel like the end. They feel like an end. You did the thing; Now what?

comic book movies have set back human culture by dozens of decades
edit:

I hate it when writing is vague. I HATE it.
I don't like going out of my way to consider what the writer might have meant.
Paying attention to vauge symbolism, having to read in between the lines, and all that junk.
Be CLEAR and CONCISE. I need solid answers.

dozens of dozens of decades

Being fair, the guy admitted that he has high functioning autism, so this is more because his predisposition to like more concrete works than “superheroes films make people dumb”.

The need that OP has to feel validated is the annoying part.

[Boredfrom]

If you are watching 13 Reasons Why, YOU should kill yourself.

Thankfully, I don’t:

[thisismyusername]

Nobody is going to Nier Automata for the story. They're there for the robot-ass. There's a reason 2B is called "2Booty" and nobody talks about anything BUT the booty.

[Mr Gilhaney]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PopularAgileWoodpeckerShadyLulu