Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

era: I want game studios unionised to protect employee rights
also era: apologies don't count unless someone is summarily dismissed

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Because 'employee rights' should only count for the little guy, not the big wigs like *checks notes* GOG twitter account managers

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1293782454449238017

[Nintex]

The studio where my brother works is also acquired and will join that Saber FPS group of sorts.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I think you should consider the fact that almost all of the issues you brought up are basically American issues

Black Lives Matter is an "American" issue?

Really? Black + brown lives matter as little in Europe and other places around the world as they do in America. May want to rethink that because your ignorance is impossible to ignore here. Same talking point that we see here far too often claiming that Europe is racism free.

Actually, most of the issues referenced in OP's post are worldwide issues. Can not believe people still try and convince themselves that this isn't the case after the shit we continually witness every single fucking day.

isn't #BLM about the shooting of black people by an over militarised police force on what should be routine duties?
Because, no.
No, that isn't a thing everyone else has a problem with.

[bork]

The studio where my brother works is also acquired and will join that Saber FPS group of sorts.

Have you cut all ties with him and has your family disowned him yet?  8chan AMA, man.  EIGHT.  CHAN.  AY.  EM. AY.

[Nintex]

I can't wait for Embracer to buy the deflated husk of Xbox once Phil jumps ship to Nintendo of America and Aaron Greenberg is sacrificed on Wall Street 

[Nintex]

The studio where my brother works is also acquired and will join that Saber FPS group of sorts.

Have you cut all ties with him and has your family disowned him yet?  8chan AMA, man.  EIGHT.  CHAN.  AY.  EM. AY.

Sorry, only registered users can see this content. Please Login or Register.

[EightBitNate]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-aestheticgamer1-says-hes-heard-from-developers-that-the-ps5-struggles-with-4k-games-in-particular-says-to-to-expect-a-lot-of-fake-4k.267489/page-18#post-42448461

Reconstruction techniques are starting to look better than native, so I am not sure it should be a purity test.

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-aestheticgamer1-says-hes-heard-from-developers-that-the-ps5-struggles-with-4k-games-in-particular-says-to-to-expect-a-lot-of-fake-4k.267489/page-18#post-42448461

Reconstruction techniques are starting to look better than native, so I am not sure it should be a purity test.

(Image removed from quote.)

No. Nvidia's DLSS 2.0 looks better.

Guess which company will have that in their next console? 

[EightBitNate]

I sit about 16 inches from a 55”. I can absolutely see the difference between 4K and 1440p.

[Hermit]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

[Don Rumata]

I sit about 16 inches from a 55”. I can absolutely see the difference between 4K and 1440p.

You sit at penis length from your tv? Why?

[EightBitNate]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

Can’t remember RE3 specifically but TLOU2 looked muddy in several spots for me.

I sit about 16 inches from a 55”. I can absolutely see the difference between 4K and 1440p.

You sit at penis length from your tv? Why?

[Nintex]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

It depends on many things, for example the AA solution used.

On my OLED I can definitely see the difference between 1440p / 4k without any form of AA, motion-blur or other post processing.
Add such effects into the mix and the mileage varies a lot. With DLSS 2.0 some games actually look better upscaled from 1080p to 4k instead of a native 4k setting.
Other games look washed out even at native 4k because of the AA solution or low-res textures.

1440p is great too, but when it comes to finer details 4k can definitely make a visible difference. At these resolutions you're splitting hairs though (literally, as hairs and other such details often with transparency are usually where the difference is most noticeable)

I would say that most gamers probably won't notice that much of a difference when it comes to third party releases. Unless the dynamic resolution is unstable or goes below 1440p or the framerate tanks.

[EightBitNate]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

Can’t remember RE3 specifically but TLOU2 looked muddy in several spots for me.

Doesn't PS4 only do 1080 or 4k?

1440p to 4k would be quite different.

No

[thisismyusername]

The studio where my brother works is also acquired and will join that Saber FPS group of sorts.

Have you cut all ties with him and has your family disowned him yet?  8chan AMA, man.  EIGHT.  CHAN.  AY.  EM. AY.

More like he should cut all ties if his brother doesn't put his foot down on them removing the Champions in Quake Champions and stop it from being an Oversnore clone.

[Clockwork5]

Seriously though 16” away from a 55” screen is kinda mental. Of course you can tell the difference, you can literally see each distinct pixel.

[Joe Molotov]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

Then there was a discernible difference

[Nintex]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

Can’t remember RE3 specifically but TLOU2 looked muddy in several spots for me.

Doesn't PS4 only do 1080 or 4k?

1440p to 4k would be quite different.

No

Google says it doesn't output native 1440p.  (reddit, forums, etc.)

Don't just believe anything you read on the internet 

The truth is PS4 (Pro) outputs at 1080p or 4k.
So games can run at 1440p on a dynamic resolution but it will never be a native 1440p image on the screen (always upscaled or downscaled).
The reason for this is simple, 1440p is not a common TV resolution. It's either 4k (UHD) or 1080p (HD).

[EightBitNate]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

Can’t remember RE3 specifically but TLOU2 looked muddy in several spots for me.

Doesn't PS4 only do 1080 or 4k?

1440p to 4k would be quite different.

No

Google says it doesn't output native 1440p.  (reddit, forums, etc.)

It uses upscaling to display anything sub-4K as a 4K output. So a 1440p image (2560x1440) would have its pixels stretch to fill a 4K display (3840x2160). Very few games on the PS4 Pro run at native 4K.

[EightBitNate]

stop confusing me

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

EDIT:
TL;DR I used to be dismissive of the idea women were still heavily objectified in popular media, that there were some issues that harmed them. Issues caused/made worse also by videogames. I randomly found this thread months ago. Reading all of you has been an eye-opener. I want to thank you all for the months of interesting informations I read. It managed to change my mind a little. I was doubtful if I should join in, but now I decided to just do it. And tell who I am and how much I the thread meant to me. I hope I can contibute without being overbearing. There's no need to read the entire post, it's long and poorly written because I can't write for shit. Having to condense months of thoughts didn't help.




I am a white heterosexual cis-guy and a geek. I lived, breathed and ate videogames since the age of 4 when I first played Sonic 2 with my older cousin. I also enjoy anime, manga, comic books, tv shows and movies (especially horror and action flicks. I recently watched Midsommar, it was pretty good).

I had various groups of "nerdy" friends growing up. And even tho often many of them were girls, they never had problems with manga like Fairy Tail, a favorite of my middle school/highschool self. They read it with me and liked it. And they had no problem with any other kind of pop culture. If they had no problem with it, I never thought there could be a problem to be had.

Considering my upbringing I was the perfect candidate for becoming the kind of guy who would actually believe that "Gamers" are an oppressed minority and that there is no sexism or over-sexualization in the industry. The kind of sexualized videogames that are often discussed here never got me into embarassing situations with IRL people, or friends online.
Nobody felt like the way women were represented in comics and the kind of games I played (like Dead or Alive Dimensions and Senran Kagura, two games I played a lot on the 3DS) was strange or dehumanazing towards women or anything. Also in Italy, we have a certain sterotype of the playboy seen in a positive light and many other things that are kind of misogynistic but are considered parts of our culture. And we use sexualization a lot in our national television and in publicity.

Finding sexualization everywhere felt normal in my mind, like finding pop-corn at the movie theatre. A funny thing happens with over-exposure to something. You become numb to the more mild forms of a certain thing.
Someone had to EXPLAIN to me that 2B was supposed to be sexy because I didn't get that feeling at all. "2B design is fanservicy? What do you mean? She looks norm-OH you can explode her skirt? Eheh that's funny, I wanna try it!"
That's right I didn't think the super short skirt was lewd at all. To me lewd meant DoA, or SK, or incredibly explictly sexual stuff like Bayonetta's moves.
Anything less felt completely standard. And I played and enjoyed games with actual standard clothes for women like everything Naughty Dog made. But even that didn't make me have a sudden realization or anything.

I viewed things in a binary way. There was the ACTUAL intentionally lewd stuff like Senran Kagura and EVERYTHING ELSE. Which to me didn't mean I felt disappointed with outfits that weren't extremely sexualized. It meant that I felt the same watching someone fully clothed like Ellie in TLoU and watching any woman from Street Fighter 5, or Camilla from Fire Emblem, or anyone from Xenoblade. And as I said, I am friends with actual women, which makes what I'm telling you sound insane.

I saw the kind of clothing actual human beings wear, I didn't live isolated in a basement, I even found a job that requires direct contact with lots of people.
So how come I didn't realize there was something wrong with how women were treated in video games/anime? I don't have a good answer for that.
"I know real women don't act and dress that way, but it's normal for them to be that way in games/anime. Because... that's how they are in games/anime".
A self-fulfilling prophecy with the purpose of maintaining the status quo. Because... status quo good.
"After all the current status quo is good to women. They have equal rights. And it's not like videogames can cause harm to real women in any way right? What a crazy thought".

Let's stop beating around the bush. What I really want to do is... thank you guys. From the OP, to everyone else who helped make this thread (and the previous one) big and keep it relevant. And never afraid to touch big names and popular characters. Thanks to that and people mocking ResetEra and this very thread elsewhere on the internet I found the link to this big treasure about six months ago. And slowly but surely I started reading all of it, bits at a time, when I had some time so spare.

Why did I decide to read a long thread I was certain I would have disagreed with? It's in my nature. Steven Universe is my favorite cartoon and I watched a lot of videos about how much the show sucks, the errors, all the controversies, why it's actually pro-nazi and all that stuff. Because I like to hear the other side. Just in case.

I learned so much interesting stuff here. That having scantily clad women everywhere isn't a "victimless crime" like I always thought.
That there were ugly double standards in the industry I was unaware of.
That my beloved Takemi from Persona 5 could have been a lot COOLER and MORE PUNK if some wanker at Atlus didn't give an order to the artist to make her "cute".
That one especially hurt because I really am against all forms of censorship and believe artists should be free to do what they want.
I could have been so dumb as to defend Takemi's character design because "even if you don't like it, it was the artist's vision and that's all that matter!" like a naive fool.

You really opened my eyes on many things. But this isn't the redemption story of some incel, neo-nazi sexual harasser.
I was always a leftist, partly because of my family, and partly because of my personal friendships with marginalized people.
I was simply ignorant of the fact women were still very much discriminated against, or better said, even if I knew (because let's be real, under which rock did you live if you never heard of #MeToo?) I held the belief that my beloved videogames had nothing to do with. How wrong I was... that was my bad.

But after realizing you guys really have a point, what does that mean for me? "Am I horrible for liking sexy games?
I support stuff that harms people. I should probably stop supporting thing X since thing X is problematic. But... I still love thing X".

It's a dilemma.
But you also answered this dilemma for me in the thread. It's not like you people want to remove sexy outfits from all games. The goal is to make things more equal and inclusive. You made this very clear.
Girls can still be lewd in games in where such things are appropriate and expected. Just no more male gaze everywhere regardless of genre.
And I can get behind that kind of goal. As long as you let DoA do its thing I don't care if 90% of female characters can finally wear pants and practical clothes.
After all the women in Fire Emblem Three Houses are dressed more modestly compared to Fates, and that didn't stop me from enjoying them as characters just as much.
Heck, even Camilla herself has never looked more beautiful than in her royal attire in FEH, which thankfully doesn't show her panties.

So I say good job everyone! If your goal was to make more people hopefully realize the issue in order to stand by your side to finally change things, you got another soldier. This thread was great, for me and it also indirectly made me discover a couple of people I now love, ProZD and Jim F*cking Sterling, Son. So that's another good thing you did for me.
I made an account just so I could post here to explain who I was and how you guys kept me interested for months and made me change a bit. And now, I guess I can actually contribute to the future of the thread. As you can see I'm not a man of few words, so I hope my walls of text don't annoy everyone. And I also hope I didn't make mistakes that I didn't mean to, like mentioning a banned game (Senran Kagura), but I think you are allowed to mention banned games by the rules. You just can't discuss them.

One last thing. Just because I praised the topic so much, don't think I loved everything in it and everyone in it too. Reading everything has certainly been an experience.
While at times I smiled seeing obvious trolls dealt with, and inspiring speeches in the text form, not to mention witty remarks, at times I also wondered if it was wise to keep giving you guys credit when you seemed on the verge of self-radicalization. Refusing to budge, or to consider people who were actually in good faith and meant no harm in what they said, some attitudes that would have been more appropriate for the people you rightly mock.
I felt so horrible for that poor woman who just wanted to share a cute drawing of herself made by a friend and she was eaten alive, for posting something perceived as intentionally sexist (for some reason) when it was at worst "less than ideal" and most things could just be explained by the artist having a sort of semi-moe art style. I'm not going to accuse anyone it was a long time a go, dead and buried. It was just the best example and I din't want the post to be only praises because there have been times I disagreed with what happened here and it's only right to also talk about that.

I honestly I am kind of scared of openly talking about myself in such away. Especially since I really like some games that are rightly criticized here.

Thankfully users like Village being allowed to say they still like problematic games, showed me that this is a place of acceptance and just liking fanservicy games, if you admit they are problematic and don't antagonize people over them, isn't enough to make you ostracized.
I said a lot and I'm still unsure about my post. I corrected it and even added a TL;DR because I feel so dissatisfied. This feels like a mess of a post, but I guess it's my fault, I should have talked about different things in different posts instead of all my thoughts together. Oh well, please be patient with me and sorry for the rambling, love you guys and this thread.

post from your real account you coward

[Yulwei]

1440p looks muddy on a 4K tv. Native or DLSS 2.0 or bust 

[HaughtyFrank]

[benjipwns]

User banned (2 weeks): Hostility

How bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about looking good who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here

Weltall Zero annihilated

[thisismyusername]

User banned (2 weeks): Hostility

How bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about looking good who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here

Weltall Zero annihilated

Man, the FGC can't seem to understand why they're dying, even with the casualization.

[nudemacusers]

I sit about 16 inches from a 55”. I can absolutely see the difference between 4K and 1440p.

You sit at penis length from your tv? Why?

i see you also measure from asshole to tip 

[Hermit]

my buddy showed me RE3 Remake on his 55" OLED in both 1440p and 4K. There was no discernable difference aside from a few crisper lines on shop signs in the distance

Then there was a discernible difference

no shut up you can't prove me wrong 

[thisismyusername]

It worked well for Fantasy Strike.

Uh... huh... riiiiight.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is after it went Free to Play on Steam, as well.

[close]

Real time lotion physics called it out.

Holy shit, Mr. "Can't Hit Quote" actually starts to do it.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

era don't even like multiplayer games so what they're actually bitching about that they don't have one button supers and autocombo is that they can't beat single player vs AI.

so the solution is pretty simple, just make brain dead AI like era-beloved NRS games have, where you can just sweep to victory.

I mean, sure, they will DSP like DSP when they do an online match to 'try it out' and go woooooooooooooow I bet they have a fight stick and I don't wooooooooooooooooow of course they're using that character woooooooooooooow how cheap is that using that one move over and over that I couldnt change what I was doing so it didnt work over and over wooooooooooooow what kind of nerd spends all their time learning a game

[benjipwns]

I hope ResetERA.com has a long thread on this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/now-board-member-accused-of-posing-as-woman-of-color-to-boost-re-election-chances/ar-BB17Ulof

[benjipwns]

who made this

[clothedmacuser]

User banned (2 weeks): Hostility

How bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about looking good who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here

Weltall Zero annihilated

Man, the FGC can't seem to understand why they're dying, even with the casualization.

Lol, that weltall guy called this "six paragraphs."

I'd say the OP's language highlights an issue that the FGC runs into constantly: Inherent hostility towards new players

Fighting games in general have a lot of challenges attracting new customers because of how unique they are. Not only do players have to learn concepts that don't really apply in any other genre (hitboxes, active / windup / recovery frames, BLOCKING, hitstun, recovery, combo system rules, character nuances, etc.), they have to learn a completely new way to control inputs, especially when it comes to special moves - no other genre requires SRK motions, fireballs, 360's, crescents, etc. Nor do many games use 6 buttons in the way that fighting games do. All of these are barriers to entry.

On top of that, most people need a fightstick to play better (not everyone does), which is an expensive investment.

And the online community in fighters can be... unwelcoming... at times for new players.

Any of these things can cause new / potential players to bounce hard off the game, and we've not even gotten to the why and when of how any of the thigs they learn should / could be put into use practically. Refer to most of Capcom's tutorials as the best example of "rote memorization of something, but have no idea why it's useful or when".

An ideal, well-designed fighting game should help players find the fun of fighting games via great tutorials (most don't do this), a campaign that teaches the game and eases players into fighting game concepts (none have really done this), input simplification for basic actions (some have, much to the angst of others), provides active learning / education when players fail (co-op training option is the only manifestation of this I can even think of), and online filtering / new user corralling (some try this).

If things like autocombos / mashables (aka a "dumbing down") allow new players to find some fun in the complicated world of fighting games, why is that a problem? Unless the high-end skill ceiling is somehow capped (I have never seen this in any fighter that has mashable stuff, btw) this doesn't impact anyone except those in the "kiddy pool" to use a term that goes well with OP's language.

If people are complaining that a game is "dumbed down" it's likely because they weren't going to play it anyway, they're in another fighter's camp (FGC can be very clannish) and want to discredit it, or they weren't that good to begin with and feel their "skillz" are now threatened.

TL;DR: As long as time spent with the game and dedicated "labbing" / practice reward mastery and displays of great skill (mentally or physically) for those that want to earn that, then there's no "dumbing down" claim that holds legitimate criticism.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/when-developers-dumb-down-fighting-games-who-is-it-supposed-to-appeal-to.267075/post-42377592


I guess pushing enter twice makes it a paragrah

[Snoopycat_]

Who wouldn’t want to stop pedophilia and human trafficking right?! We all do.

Oh Really?

[Great Rumbler]

EDIT:
TL;DR I used to be dismissive of the idea women were still heavily objectified in popular media, that there were some issues that harmed them. Issues caused/made worse also by videogames. I randomly found this thread months ago. Reading all of you has been an eye-opener. I want to thank you all for the months of interesting informations I read. It managed to change my mind a little. I was doubtful if I should join in, but now I decided to just do it. And tell who I am and how much I the thread meant to me. I hope I can contibute without being overbearing. There's no need to read the entire post, it's long and poorly written because I can't write for shit. Having to condense months of thoughts didn't help.




I am a white heterosexual cis-guy and a geek. I lived, breathed and ate videogames since the age of 4 when I first played Sonic 2 with my older cousin. I also enjoy anime, manga, comic books, tv shows and movies (especially horror and action flicks. I recently watched Midsommar, it was pretty good).

I had various groups of "nerdy" friends growing up. And even tho often many of them were girls, they never had problems with manga like Fairy Tail, a favorite of my middle school/highschool self. They read it with me and liked it. And they had no problem with any other kind of pop culture. If they had no problem with it, I never thought there could be a problem to be had.

Considering my upbringing I was the perfect candidate for becoming the kind of guy who would actually believe that "Gamers" are an oppressed minority and that there is no sexism or over-sexualization in the industry. The kind of sexualized videogames that are often discussed here never got me into embarassing situations with IRL people, or friends online.
Nobody felt like the way women were represented in comics and the kind of games I played (like Dead or Alive Dimensions and Senran Kagura, two games I played a lot on the 3DS) was strange or dehumanazing towards women or anything. Also in Italy, we have a certain sterotype of the playboy seen in a positive light and many other things that are kind of misogynistic but are considered parts of our culture. And we use sexualization a lot in our national television and in publicity.

Finding sexualization everywhere felt normal in my mind, like finding pop-corn at the movie theatre. A funny thing happens with over-exposure to something. You become numb to the more mild forms of a certain thing.
Someone had to EXPLAIN to me that 2B was supposed to be sexy because I didn't get that feeling at all. "2B design is fanservicy? What do you mean? She looks norm-OH you can explode her skirt? Eheh that's funny, I wanna try it!"
That's right I didn't think the super short skirt was lewd at all. To me lewd meant DoA, or SK, or incredibly explictly sexual stuff like Bayonetta's moves.
Anything less felt completely standard. And I played and enjoyed games with actual standard clothes for women like everything Naughty Dog made. But even that didn't make me have a sudden realization or anything.

I viewed things in a binary way. There was the ACTUAL intentionally lewd stuff like Senran Kagura and EVERYTHING ELSE. Which to me didn't mean I felt disappointed with outfits that weren't extremely sexualized. It meant that I felt the same watching someone fully clothed like Ellie in TLoU and watching any woman from Street Fighter 5, or Camilla from Fire Emblem, or anyone from Xenoblade. And as I said, I am friends with actual women, which makes what I'm telling you sound insane.

I saw the kind of clothing actual human beings wear, I didn't live isolated in a basement, I even found a job that requires direct contact with lots of people.
So how come I didn't realize there was something wrong with how women were treated in video games/anime? I don't have a good answer for that.
"I know real women don't act and dress that way, but it's normal for them to be that way in games/anime. Because... that's how they are in games/anime".
A self-fulfilling prophecy with the purpose of maintaining the status quo. Because... status quo good.
"After all the current status quo is good to women. They have equal rights. And it's not like videogames can cause harm to real women in any way right? What a crazy thought".

Let's stop beating around the bush. What I really want to do is... thank you guys. From the OP, to everyone else who helped make this thread (and the previous one) big and keep it relevant. And never afraid to touch big names and popular characters. Thanks to that and people mocking ResetEra and this very thread elsewhere on the internet I found the link to this big treasure about six months ago. And slowly but surely I started reading all of it, bits at a time, when I had some time so spare.

Why did I decide to read a long thread I was certain I would have disagreed with? It's in my nature. Steven Universe is my favorite cartoon and I watched a lot of videos about how much the show sucks, the errors, all the controversies, why it's actually pro-nazi and all that stuff. Because I like to hear the other side. Just in case.

I learned so much interesting stuff here. That having scantily clad women everywhere isn't a "victimless crime" like I always thought.
That there were ugly double standards in the industry I was unaware of.
That my beloved Takemi from Persona 5 could have been a lot COOLER and MORE PUNK if some wanker at Atlus didn't give an order to the artist to make her "cute".
That one especially hurt because I really am against all forms of censorship and believe artists should be free to do what they want.
I could have been so dumb as to defend Takemi's character design because "even if you don't like it, it was the artist's vision and that's all that matter!" like a naive fool.

You really opened my eyes on many things. But this isn't the redemption story of some incel, neo-nazi sexual harasser.
I was always a leftist, partly because of my family, and partly because of my personal friendships with marginalized people.
I was simply ignorant of the fact women were still very much discriminated against, or better said, even if I knew (because let's be real, under which rock did you live if you never heard of #MeToo?) I held the belief that my beloved videogames had nothing to do with. How wrong I was... that was my bad.

But after realizing you guys really have a point, what does that mean for me? "Am I horrible for liking sexy games?
I support stuff that harms people. I should probably stop supporting thing X since thing X is problematic. But... I still love thing X".

It's a dilemma.
But you also answered this dilemma for me in the thread. It's not like you people want to remove sexy outfits from all games. The goal is to make things more equal and inclusive. You made this very clear.
Girls can still be lewd in games in where such things are appropriate and expected. Just no more male gaze everywhere regardless of genre.
And I can get behind that kind of goal. As long as you let DoA do its thing I don't care if 90% of female characters can finally wear pants and practical clothes.
After all the women in Fire Emblem Three Houses are dressed more modestly compared to Fates, and that didn't stop me from enjoying them as characters just as much.
Heck, even Camilla herself has never looked more beautiful than in her royal attire in FEH, which thankfully doesn't show her panties.

So I say good job everyone! If your goal was to make more people hopefully realize the issue in order to stand by your side to finally change things, you got another soldier. This thread was great, for me and it also indirectly made me discover a couple of people I now love, ProZD and Jim F*cking Sterling, Son. So that's another good thing you did for me.
I made an account just so I could post here to explain who I was and how you guys kept me interested for months and made me change a bit. And now, I guess I can actually contribute to the future of the thread. As you can see I'm not a man of few words, so I hope my walls of text don't annoy everyone. And I also hope I didn't make mistakes that I didn't mean to, like mentioning a banned game (Senran Kagura), but I think you are allowed to mention banned games by the rules. You just can't discuss them.

One last thing. Just because I praised the topic so much, don't think I loved everything in it and everyone in it too. Reading everything has certainly been an experience.
While at times I smiled seeing obvious trolls dealt with, and inspiring speeches in the text form, not to mention witty remarks, at times I also wondered if it was wise to keep giving you guys credit when you seemed on the verge of self-radicalization. Refusing to budge, or to consider people who were actually in good faith and meant no harm in what they said, some attitudes that would have been more appropriate for the people you rightly mock.
I felt so horrible for that poor woman who just wanted to share a cute drawing of herself made by a friend and she was eaten alive, for posting something perceived as intentionally sexist (for some reason) when it was at worst "less than ideal" and most things could just be explained by the artist having a sort of semi-moe art style. I'm not going to accuse anyone it was a long time a go, dead and buried. It was just the best example and I din't want the post to be only praises because there have been times I disagreed with what happened here and it's only right to also talk about that.

I honestly I am kind of scared of openly talking about myself in such away. Especially since I really like some games that are rightly criticized here.

Thankfully users like Village being allowed to say they still like problematic games, showed me that this is a place of acceptance and just liking fanservicy games, if you admit they are problematic and don't antagonize people over them, isn't enough to make you ostracized.
I said a lot and I'm still unsure about my post. I corrected it and even added a TL;DR because I feel so dissatisfied. This feels like a mess of a post, but I guess it's my fault, I should have talked about different things in different posts instead of all my thoughts together. Oh well, please be patient with me and sorry for the rambling, love you guys and this thread.

[Boredfrom]

Thankfully users like Village being allowed to say they still like problematic games, showed me that this is a place of acceptance and just liking fanservicy games, if you admit they are problematic and don't antagonize people over them, isn't enough to make you ostracized. 

That is a big ass fucking lie. The real way to be allowed is if you are friends with the right crowd and become part of the woke squad while keeping it to yourself in the forum (discord is another matter altogether).

And even the you will always have a fucking dumbass that will bitch at you are if you dare to say I like “x costume” or “this is not that bad”.

[Joe Molotov]

User banned (2 weeks): Hostility

How bout u go an fuck off my page then u peice of shit u think I need a stupid fuckwitt like u telling me about looking good who the fuck are u take your worthless advice and get the fuck out of here

Weltall Zero annihilated

Man, the FGC can't seem to understand why they're dying, even with the casualization.

Lol, that weltall guy called this "six paragraphs."

I'd say the OP's language highlights an issue that the FGC runs into constantly: Inherent hostility towards new players

Fighting games in general have a lot of challenges attracting new customers because of how unique they are. Not only do players have to learn concepts that don't really apply in any other genre (hitboxes, active / windup / recovery frames, BLOCKING, hitstun, recovery, combo system rules, character nuances, etc.), they have to learn a completely new way to control inputs, especially when it comes to special moves - no other genre requires SRK motions, fireballs, 360's, crescents, etc. Nor do many games use 6 buttons in the way that fighting games do. All of these are barriers to entry.

On top of that, most people need a fightstick to play better (not everyone does), which is an expensive investment.

And the online community in fighters can be... unwelcoming... at times for new players.

Any of these things can cause new / potential players to bounce hard off the game, and we've not even gotten to the why and when of how any of the thigs they learn should / could be put into use practically. Refer to most of Capcom's tutorials as the best example of "rote memorization of something, but have no idea why it's useful or when".

An ideal, well-designed fighting game should help players find the fun of fighting games via great tutorials (most don't do this), a campaign that teaches the game and eases players into fighting game concepts (none have really done this), input simplification for basic actions (some have, much to the angst of others), provides active learning / education when players fail (co-op training option is the only manifestation of this I can even think of), and online filtering / new user corralling (some try this).

If things like autocombos / mashables (aka a "dumbing down") allow new players to find some fun in the complicated world of fighting games, why is that a problem? Unless the high-end skill ceiling is somehow capped (I have never seen this in any fighter that has mashable stuff, btw) this doesn't impact anyone except those in the "kiddy pool" to use a term that goes well with OP's language.

If people are complaining that a game is "dumbed down" it's likely because they weren't going to play it anyway, they're in another fighter's camp (FGC can be very clannish) and want to discredit it, or they weren't that good to begin with and feel their "skillz" are now threatened.

TL;DR: As long as time spent with the game and dedicated "labbing" / practice reward mastery and displays of great skill (mentally or physically) for those that want to earn that, then there's no "dumbing down" claim that holds legitimate criticism.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/when-developers-dumb-down-fighting-games-who-is-it-supposed-to-appeal-to.267075/post-42377592


I guess pushing enter twice makes it a paragrah

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-388#post-42494058

So a new TLOU2 review dropped on open critic from....niche gamer, and dropped the score on OC from 94 to 93. Get this though, two of the biggest "critiques" were Ellie and Dina having a "hokey, unrealistic" relationship, and Abby being voiced by a 40 year old woman.

Btw this is their site mascot.

(Image removed from quote.)

I figured reputable aggregate sites like OC would have dropped them after the plagiarism incident.

I doubt you'll be surprised to find out this site supported gamergate.

Luckily metacritic dropped them. Opencritic loses all credibility now.

CREDIBILITY LOST

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-388#post-42494058

So a new TLOU2 review dropped on open critic from....niche gamer, and dropped the score on OC from 94 to 93. Get this though, two of the biggest "critiques" were Ellie and Dina having a "hokey, unrealistic" relationship, and Abby being voiced by a 40 year old woman.

Btw this is their site mascot.

(Image removed from quote.)

I figured reputable aggregate sites like OC would have dropped them after the plagiarism incident.

I doubt you'll be surprised to find out this site supported gamergate.

Luckily metacritic dropped them. Opencritic loses all credibility now.

CREDIBILITY LOST

Summary of the review on open critic

The gameplay is functional. It isn’t grossly offensive, it just is the bare minimum to get by. It does suffer greatly from the obtrusive narrative and forced walking sequences which are far too long, frequent and unskippable. There is new game plus, but the experience just fails to hold attention after the first time

 

[benjipwns]

User Banned (1 Month) - Sinophobia

Challenge Epic but not China, lol fuck off.

thank you asian summit

[Great Rumbler]

IT DROPPED THE SCORE ON OC FROM 94 TO 93 

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/any-guys-wear-make-up-here-on-nights-out.267843/

the hostility in the replies

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/massachusetts-democratic-congressional-candidate-alex-morse-has-been-accused-of-innapropriate-conduct-with-students-at-universities-he-has-lectured.264276/post-42399870

1. I admit fault. I was wrong on this, even if I have issues with ethical decisions of the Intercept, I should not have been so dismissive

2. I have requested a temp ban to take time away and reflect on myself

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/difficulty-options-in-games.267594/

A Thread By AltAccount McTrollFace.

Special Guest Stars:
 - Incelchief
 - LordFanny (another obvious alt)

(Image removed from quote.)

SUCCESS:

This thread is temporarily locked while staff review. It may be re-opened or rebooted afterwards.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-trump-ends-up-winning-due-to-messing-with-the-usps-and-mail-voting-what-do-you-expect-or-want-to-happen.267786/page-5#post-42500877

Stolen elections are more complicated than what Trump is usually capable of doing, but dunno... the panicked reaction is hilarious and kind of scary.

[Yulwei]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/difficulty-options-in-games.267594/

A Thread By AltAccount McTrollFace.

Special Guest Stars:
 - Incelchief
 - LordFanny (another obvious alt)

(Image removed from quote.)

SUCCESS:

This thread is temporarily locked while staff review. It may be re-opened or rebooted afterwards.

they can't even handle a thread about fucking difficulty options in games 

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/massachusetts-democratic-congressional-candidate-alex-morse-has-been-accused-of-innapropriate-conduct-with-students-at-universities-he-has-lectured.264276/post-42399870

1. I admit fault. I was wrong on this, even if I have issues with ethical decisions of the Intercept, I should not have been so dismissive

2. I have requested a temp ban to take time away and reflect on myself

ERA needs a Struggle Session |OT| 

[Trent Dole]

(Image removed from quote.)

It's 90 everyday right now. Nobody's wearing pants.

[VomKriege]

They're definitely the best out there when it comes to games for children and women, the quality is beyond top tier and to compare them to anyone else is embarrassing. Nintendo don't do it for me but that's okay, I respect quality when I see it.

User Banned (2 weeks): Sexism
 

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/difficulty-options-in-games.267594/

A Thread By AltAccount McTrollFace.

Special Guest Stars:
 - Incelchief
 - LordFanny (another obvious alt)

(Image removed from quote.)

SUCCESS:

This thread is temporarily locked while staff review. It may be re-opened or rebooted afterwards.

they can't even handle a thread about fucking difficulty options in games 

Because for some weird reason instead of saying I’m bad at games and need a hand

they go down this weird “but disabled people...” which then just gets people’s backs up.

They really need to let actual disabled people speak and not use them as a shield, disability summit when?

[headwalk]

DLSS 2.0 (or whatever nvidia have in the works for ampere) would be the ideal solution for consoles trying to go 4k and genuinely seems like it's going to change the whole concept of native render resolution being an untouchable necessity, but they went with povvo AMD GPUs instead and will have to deal with that.

no doubt AMD will have their own hardware solution eventually, but not in the silicon they're putting in the consoles. mental that they're already behind the curve months before release.

[Transhuman]

When they say disabled are they talking about people with one hand and stuff or mentally challenged people? It's legitimately unclear.

[Nintex]

DLSS 2.0 (or whatever nvidia have in the works for ampere) would be the ideal solution for consoles trying to go 4k and genuinely seems like it's going to change the whole concept of native render resolution being an untouchable necessity, but they went with povvo AMD GPUs instead and will have to deal with that.

no doubt AMD will have their own hardware solution eventually, but not in the silicon they're putting in the consoles. mental that they're already behind the curve months before release.

To be honest, DLSS was one of those RTX gimmicks that seemingly didn't do much and made image quality worse. They released a new sharpening filter to replace it and we all assumed DLSS was dead. Until they suddenly introduced DLSS 2.0 which blows away every other technology in the same playing field. It is also hard to replicate because as of yet it all depends on NVIDIA's AI deep learning and tensor cores. AMD actually had a decent competitor to the sharpening filter. However, we've never actually seen AMD Ray-Tracing in action and won't until the PS5 arrives with Spider-Man. Based on the use of Ray-Tracing in the Ratchet & Clank demo it seems that they're getting better performance out of it with the PS5 closed hardware design than NVIDIA did with the RTX 2000 series.

Through job ads and LinkedIn profiles we already know NVIDIA is working to introduce DLSS 2.0 in console grade hardware, most likely Nintendo's next system and a new Shield type device. Sony has an improved software solution based on their checkerboard rendering which they patented and utilized to great effect on the PS4. There is however already talk about developers finding it difficult to work with AMD Smartshift, which allows them to shift resources between the CPU and GPU to increase performance on the PS5: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smartshift . Without Unreal Engine 5 we won't see much utilization of these new technologies outside of first party software and top tier developers such as Capcom.

Microsoft on the other hand is just brute-forcing it all by constantly running at the highest clocks on both the CPU and GPU. But yeah, I think that these machines will be replaced within 3 to 4 years with 'Pro' or '+' models or whatever.

[remy]

There is however already talk about developers finding it difficult to work with AMD Smartshift, which allows them to shift resources between the CPU and GPU to increase performance on the PS5: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smartshift . Without Unreal Engine 5 we won't see much utilization of these new technologies outside of first party software and top tier developers such as Capcom.

Microsoft on the other hand is just brute-forcing it all by constantly running at the highest clocks on both the CPU and GPU. But yeah, I think that these machines will be replaced within 3 to 4 years with 'Pro' or '+' models or whatever.

I have... the only smartshift laptop in existence, the dell g5 se and smartshift seems to just work without any developer intervention (?)  Well at least according to the graph in my GPU drivers. I would imagine if the ps5 has smartshift the xsx would too because its basically the same architecture?

[Ghoul]

When they say disabled are they talking about people with one hand and stuff or mentally challenged people? It's legitimately unclear.

They don't specify they just say "disabled"

[Snoopycat_]

When they say disabled are they talking about people with one hand and stuff or mentally challenged people? It's legitimately unclear.

2/3 with actual physical disabilities. The rest are just permanently useless

[Nintex]

Man that spencer Nintendo thread is great. Snoys really are fucking insecure.

But snoy has best graphics and narrative and characters and


Hahaha Wii U ports and low poly animals go BRRRRRR 

[VomKriege]

It's getting unreal how aggressive some people are at the prospect of not wanting every game to have an easy mode.

Yeah its unreal how people like a video game so much it makes them think disabled people aren't worth thinking about. Calm down, disabled people, there are always other forums for you! Because that's all they can look forward to, getting shuffled out of your sight so you can enjoy your game. Don't get HUFFY now.

Jesus Christ.
I feel pretty welcome on this site actually. Thanks for the concern though.

 
Pretty refreshing to read this for once.

[Nintex]

It's getting unreal how aggressive some people are at the prospect of not wanting every game to have an easy mode.

Yeah its unreal how people like a video game so much it makes them think disabled people aren't worth thinking about. Calm down, disabled people, there are always other forums for you! Because that's all they can look forward to, getting shuffled out of your sight so you can enjoy your game. Don't get HUFFY now.

Jesus Christ.
I feel pretty welcome on this site actually. Thanks for the concern though.

 
Pretty refreshing to read this for once.