Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[benjipwns]

[DJ Bedroom]

Poods really fuckin sucks huh

[benjipwns]

more since some of us don't have accounts

[benjipwns]

[thisismyusername]

SHUT UP, SIMPS.

[BikeJesus]

Hello guests. Never forget that Volimar is a pedophile .

https://imgur.com/a/5KbQBPr

So is Plagiarize

https://m.imgur.com/a/va1NntZ

[benjipwns]

is this what a healthy community looks like?

[HaughtyFrank]

How long until the mods claim that they don't feel safe anymore

[Nintex]

I'm not seeing this big implosion yet. On the gaming side it still seems the same old.

[Uncle]

[BIONIC]

User banned (permanent): Hostility and inflammatory comparison across multiple threads. Making light of police violence.

Since you mods wanna play cop, might as well go mask off and put this in your avi.
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Well as an black man living in america, that tells me exactly how you feel about me

roho's black too, boomer.

User Banned (duration pending): Hostility and personal attacks. Several prior bans for trolling and hostility.

come on buddy, the forum rn is on fire because y"all cant stop banning people because they are critical of Windrunner and this is the only thing you have to share?

Is this what you learned in your comic books? To protect your own and ban regular users that have frequented the site since forever? How sad.

Real talk? That makes it worse, using a symbol of folks that love nothing to blow you away for a messageboard fight? Nah, shit ain't right

This isn't ok, ad hominem are whack, especially when Slayven is expounding to an offensive post.

You're part of the reason they're not engaging here more...

I like how they immediately permed that guy, but stinkles uses racial slurs and keeps coming back 

[Uncle]

who would've thought that encouraging an environment that views absolutely everything through the lens of power structures and hatred for anyone with any perceived power would one day come back to bite the cops mods in the ass 

[BIONIC]

Can y'all go to the internet archive and "save" these pages for people w/o accounts to read this drama

https://archive.org/web/

tyvm 

No.

[Uncle]

Can y'all go to the internet archive and "save" these pages for people w/o accounts to read this drama

https://archive.org/web/

tyvm 

https://archive.md/Lbodf

[Uncle]

in all seriousness archiving the drama on an archive site like that would possibly also archive the fact that you are logged in and show your username at the top of the snapshot and get you ultra banned

[Cauliflower Of Love]

it's like the get off on forum drama

[Clockwork5]

You get what you pay for.

[Kraftwerk]

is this the first time this kind of implosion is happening on era?  wonder if this will cause another migration or it'll just get buried away in a day or two and forgotten. I mainly use Era for some of the community OT's and dont browse the main forum much.

[Hermit]

is this the first time this kind of implosion is happening on era?  wonder if this will cause another migration or it'll just get buried away in a day or two and forgotten. I mainly use Era for some of the community OT's and dont browse the main forum much.

It will be buried and fogotten by everyone but the small number of people being vocal.

Gaming side and I'd say most of the OT communities are in their own bubble.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

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who would've thought that encouraging an environment that views absolutely everything through the lens of power structures and hatred for anyone with any perceived power would one day come back to bite the cops mods in the ass 

That's just the words era posters use to keep their moderators inline

[joeboy101]

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And as much as people, especially nerds, try to conflate real-world politics with forum drama...

I mean, the fucking balls on her dropping that line. That board LIVES and BREATHES on making their forum drama look like it can be arming alt-right jackboots, with mods managing it as hard as possible with an iron banhammer because its 'the one safe place for minorities' TM.

[FUME5]

Wish we could just crown a winner of these oppression olympics already.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It shouldn't really need stating, but yet again I am bemused by just how fucking bad era mods are at their jobs, and how they're like, having fucking embolisms trying to fix their problems by doing more of the things that created most all of their problems in the first place

[joeboy101]

It shouldn't really need stating, but yet again I am bemused by just how fucking bad era mods are at their jobs, and how they're like, having fucking embolisms trying to fix their problems by doing more of the things that created most all of their problems in the first place

Well, when all you do is ban, everyone looks like a racist.

 

[benjipwns]

no wonder asian posters don't feel safe when bans like this are reversed so quickly

[Lonewulfeus]

Wish we could just crown a winner of these oppression olympics already.

Resetera would crown white neolibs the most oppressed group on the forum

[DJ Bedroom]

Ketkats gonna get unbanned and basically gonna become god

[HaughtyFrank]

"An active member and a banned member take the same amount of space in the database. Structurally there is no difference."

[Cauliflower Of Love]

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no wonder asian posters don't feel safe when bans like this are reversed so quickly

Slayven?

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/ Bans for the Ban God!

   

You can argue the same thing for user's post history. People can say really stupid shit that is not a bannable offense and be shut down in discussions.

That is completely justified in most cases.


If some person who has 90 posts in nearly 3 years suddenly decides to come into a sensitive topic and post some kind of bullshit then people have every right to dismiss that person. We have seen that happen hundreds of times in threads surrounding cops and racism. Abunch of trolls will crawl out of the woodwork to shitpost and concern troll against other members.

So I have no problem with people using that as a metric in most situations. Especially when the post count is below 200.

We do take into context things like this. If it's a troll that gets dunked on, it's likely justified, so we likely won't do anything to the other users doing the dunking. I mean I'd rather you just hit report and ignore the troll to remove any doubt, but I get it.

Jesus Christ, Dude. This is the point. Either use the rule or don't. Trying to split rhetorical hairs based on post counts and shit is nothing more than selective enforcement. And THAT is how you get this bullshit. If its not real-world drama as your fucking other Admin/Mod Captain says, then use the rules in your TOS FFS.

 

[benjipwns]

Without naming names, there absolutely must be a baked-in deadline for (duration pending) bans, so if a duration isn't decided by x date, the ban ends. As of right now there are a number of (arguably) unjust bans that are essentially stealth permanent bans

There needs to be a limit to how long a ban can be stuck in "Duration Pending" limbo and it needs to be a few days at most, like three. Not one month or more, since at that point it really feels like it's just a permanent ban under a different name.

There are a number of users that have been stuck under (duration pending) for nearly a month. With all respect, this response doesn't actually, well, respond to the suggestion.

Make it so that (duration pending) has an end date or remove it entirely.

even with this ban process (which feels absurd) there is still no reason for a ban to be under duration pending for longer than a month

Where would someone get this idea?!?

[joeboy101]

Also, PunishedKree redeemed!

[benjipwns]

Moderators can only give bans up to two weeks (and even then, consensus needs to happen) - anything larger needs input from an Admin. The *only* exception to this rule is if a Moderator notices some absolutely obvious bigotry and it's a time of day where no Admins happen to be readily available. If there's a glut of reports at the moment, we may toss a "Duration Pending" on the banner so that we can get the offending user out of the thread, and we can have a larger discussion on the specifics of the ban at a later time. I will admit that sometimes we are slow to have these discussions, and we're going to address that. The largest hurdles to that are availability (e.g., is a staff member around that can give better context to the ban) or dealing with things that are actively happening on the site.

I'm aware we've been struggling to keep up with these, and it's not fair to the users. We'll work on getting something more streamlined in place.

[joeboy101]

Other things I think would help -

    More diverse staffers, both sociologically and in terms of timezones. Maybe even give certain people certain mod privileges in specific threads. I feel like the feminist critique of video games thread should self-moderate at this point.

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Hello my fellow errata, and welcome to our (now monthly) State Of Disunion address.

We have seen many problems occur, so here are the words that will change nothing.

1) We have seen the repeated calls for transparency, and in the spirit of that, we held a secret meeting and concluded we won't change that.
No, you cannot see the reasoning, the arguments put forward on either side or the manner in which that was decided.

2) We've heard the complaints about the Heinz 57 Varieties of Americans talking over non-US posters, or declaring their views as a monolithic truth, so we will continue to ban people from other continents - especially Europe - saying that things aren't like that outside America, and will continue to use racial slurs because our minority-american users think that thats really important to bring to a discussion apparently, even if its straight up hate speech in other territories.

3) We acknowledge criticism about cliques being able to shut down valid discussion, so for that reason we will be holding an invite only roundtable with selected prominent members on how best they would like to be treated when people disagree with them.

4) There seems to be some animosity towards moderation, and an "us versus them" siege mentality because moderators can say whatever they want without fear of repercussion and the majority of posters will never receive the benefit of the doubt, and moderators will always back each other up. To this I would just like to say, call me a cop again muthafucker, and get banned.

In conclusion, we care deeply about what you have to say, and if you have any problems feel free to PM a mod captain. PM a mod captain right up your fucking ass, you worthless piece of shit.

[benjipwns]

Can you have more staff looking at the "Contact Us" responses?

I've seen many complaints that people who has used the "Contact Us" form received zero response.

There are over 5000 emails in the inbox (not unread, I mean total). I mean if someone emails us with "fuck you mods fix this," then...yeah, probably not gonna be too arsed to respond to that one. Otherwise we are working on getting to them.

lol

[Uncle]

Moderators can only give bans up to two weeks (and even then, consensus needs to happen) - anything larger needs input from an Admin. The *only* exception to this rule is if a Moderator notices some absolutely obvious bigotry and it's a time of day where no Admins happen to be readily available. If there's a glut of reports at the moment, we may toss a "Duration Pending" on the banner so that we can get the offending user out of the thread, and we can have a larger discussion on the specifics of the ban at a later time. I will admit that sometimes we are slow to have these discussions, and we're going to address that. The largest hurdles to that are availability (e.g., is a staff member around that can give better context to the ban) or dealing with things that are actively happening on the site.

I'm aware we've been struggling to keep up with these, and it's not fair to the users. We'll work on getting something more streamlined in place.

the question is, do they make use of your list to immediately come to a decision on all those bans, or do they do one at a time over the course of the next few days so they can pretend they weren't reading a thread where someone gave them a convenient list

[benjipwns]

SNITCH

[Straight Edge]

Looks like B-Dubs has a history of histories of sinophobia.

[joeboy101]

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SNITCH

But you're only a member of that community if your account start date/post count ratio holds. Otherwise, piss off.

[Uncle]

Looks like B-Dubs has a history of histories of sinophobia.


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just wait for the topic du jour and you'll find a b-dubs take

next: italians are tired of casual racism seen in franchises like mario and it has to stop

b-dubs: some fucking wops moved in next to me last week and now the east wall is soaked in hair grease

[benjipwns]

after all i do for the mods this is how they repay me

[thetylerrob]

How many of the OTs have people grandstanding that they're leaving over this? I saw some people in the GB circlejerk thread were leaving because they can't deal with the negativity anymore.

[joeboy101]

How incredible that the outreach thread of Constructive Community Thread was first made in the Announcements forum, and then switched to members only. I'm fully anticipating locking it to invite only next, especially if callouts like this:

I will echo that this needs to be stickied. I would also like to hear what B-Dubbs has to say as he kind of set this whole thing in motion and I don't believe he has said anything.

keep happening.

Hecht isn't looking like a cop or SS at all, but more like:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Haven't watched it, but my wife can't get enough of it. I only wanted Disney+ for The Mandalorian.  :'(

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[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Look, they'd love to decrease "Duration Pending" when issuing bans, but its just not feasible to check if someones permaban is going to get knocked down because they're a mod discord buddy or valued informant without giving all the other mods a chance to protect one of their crew.

Likewise, it might seem like a reasonable approach to make ban histories public, and to assign individual moderators anonymised IDs so that corrupt moderator actions can be tracked even if they can't be identified, but that would mean being truthful and accountable, which defeats the whole point of being an internet janitor in the first place

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Like why even be a mod if you can't ban someone for pissing you off when you get mad lol

[Uncle]

How incredible that the outreach thread of Constructive Community Thread was first made in the Announcements forum, and then switched to members only.

the constant tug of war between needing an all important topic to be seen and commented on by the whole forum, while also keeping the undesirables from reading it  :'(

[joeboy101]

I did have a question on the whole 3 vote banning system the mod team apparently uses though. Is it a case where they only need 3 people to vote yes to ban someone? Even if the majority that are around vote no?

Now THERE'S a good question. Why do I suspect the answer to that is dicier than expected?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

also of course, because they have their ban settings dialled all the way up to Full Asshole, anyone currently (unjustly?) banned cannot read any 'members only' topic, so won't even know if their situation is being discussed

[joeboy101]

also of course, because they have their ban settings dialled all the way up to Full Asshole, anyone currently (unjustly?) banned cannot read any 'members only' topic, so won't even know if their situation is being discussed

Its not rocket science! You make the thread visible to everyone. You back your TOS one hundred percent, regardless of the poster in question, and you stop having this ridiculous ban by committee. A mod gets their bans reviewed if question and if they are supposed to keep to the TOS, then guess what, it becomes much easier to see if the ban is legit.

Plus, the community can have a concrete discussion with you using the TOS as a basis of that discussion. Instead, with the cliches, unspoken rules, wiggle room, and no providing platforms, their policies are as about as clear as an insurance companies.

[joeboy101]

Perhaps there should be a group - let's call them Overseers - that only deals with overseeing moderator actions. They themselves are not permitted to moderate members, so that way there's not a conflict of interest.

This way, mods aren't left policing themselves, and there's actual accountability when a mod steps out of line. You could argue that the Captains fill that role, but I'd disagree. I think the Overseers need to be completely separate, without moderator abilities themselves. Their abilities would strictly be in regards to policing moderators.

 

This thread needs to stop I can't take it. Who watches the Watchmen! I mean putting aside the idea of another layer of moderation there (moderating the moderators), can we come up with a name that doesn't have some roots in exploitation of slaves or the poor?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

No, look, its because all of their problems are by Bad Faith Actors, and the only way to stop that is to make these discussions members only.

As shown by the fallout from their Members Only Asian Summit, Members Only Results Of Asian Summit and Members Only What The Fuck You Assclowns ASian Summit Debrief threads.



At some point it should really dawn on someone that their problems are wholly internal

[bork]

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SNITCH

Are they really that stupid to think that isn't other members or alt/troll accounts providing all this info? 

[bork]

Speaking of which-



That last part

[remy]

Man Drama happens on reset so often now I'm kinda bored of it 

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/unban-redeye97.270294/#post-42848922

These things always go well for admins behaving like this. Guess Tyler snuck on over to this site.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-492#post-259767295

First reply is about me, check.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Speaking of which-

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That last part

A normal forum would let people state their argument as to why they hold their position, and let people debate those points, banning anyone who is overtly hostile or turning the topic personal (and in fact maybe not even banning is really necessary, you could just have a moderator you know, moderate the discussion by restating ground rules about personal attacks or whatever is in the TOS).

Not try and figure out which minority is most victimised and ban everyone arguing against that person for being anti-black / anti-muslim / anti-asian / anti-democrat 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Because - hey! - maybe Obama can be a role model and also a war criminal, and maybe someone who leans one way or the other in particular isn't an alt-right troll bad faith disingenuous not-slick piece of shit

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/zackreese/status/1295392091153952778

Do you want a job where you have to read ree posts for a living and respond to it? 



 

[benjipwns]

Yes, more mod tiers is what is needed. Just look at The Bire which is anarchy with one tier of moderator that needs to be banned and killed.