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GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30660 on: November 21, 2020, 07:13:50 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/macron-issues-republican-values-ultimatum-to-muslim-leaders-includes-id-numbers-for-kids-to-ensure-school-attendance-includes-non-muslim-kids.329681/

This threads pretty spicy now; check this threadmark  :lol

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Threadmarks: Please just use a little bit of your brains
Damn, the mods and this thread really tried their best to spin this into "see, ALL kids are getting ID numbers for the greater good of getting an education, it's not an issue! :)"

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Nintex

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30661 on: November 21, 2020, 08:55:11 AM »
I totally forgot I was actually banned over Cyberbunk and Poland

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Most of you only had one of these as your ban message, I collected all 3 :lawd
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Pissy F Benny

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30662 on: November 21, 2020, 09:16:15 AM »
:gladbron
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Boredfrom

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30663 on: November 21, 2020, 09:45:51 AM »
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Please Think Of Why This Reform Is Being Pushed In The First Place

Because a wave of terrorist attacks initiated by a stupid kid killing someone for a cartoon?

ShutUp

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30664 on: November 21, 2020, 10:06:04 AM »
CDPR threads back open and as expected, people went right on talking about the game, with a few whiners desperately trying to shit up the latest Night City Wire thread.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30665 on: November 21, 2020, 10:17:48 AM »
CDPR threads back open and as expected, people went right on talking about the game, with a few whiners desperately trying to shit up the latest Night City Wire thread.

Tbh between the hypermoderated sticky and their toothless CDPR  thread policy I'm starting to be convinced that maybe the mods are knowingly trying to run transera off the board.

Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30666 on: November 21, 2020, 10:22:01 AM »
Yeah, the CP 2077 threads continued as if nothing had happened, which makes all this "lock the threads for 24 hours" all the more feckless and inconsequential  :lol. People are talking about the game and ignoring the desperate attempts to derail it by simply ignoring those attempts by talking over and around them.

This is what happens when people finally figure out there's no discussion to be had. You either agree with them or get banned. The simple way to avoid all that is to ignore them. Hell, the forum has an easy to use ignore feature, which makes ignoring them all the easier! If they want someone the blame as to why people are ignoring them, look in the mirror and then look at the biased, ban-happy mods that indulge them.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30667 on: November 21, 2020, 10:31:04 AM »
Every time they drive-by post "fuck CDPR", they also knowingly bump the thread.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30668 on: November 21, 2020, 10:40:49 AM »
Tbh between the hypermoderated sticky and their toothless CDPR  thread policy I'm starting to be convinced that maybe the mods are knowingly trying to run transera off the board.

I think it's more that at least some portion of the mods know what a fucking nothingburger the "accusations" against the game are, and the way some people are going all in on turning it into their object of 5 minute hate is more a power play than actual 'concern' (even though eras own dumbfuck ruleset actively endorses concern trolling).

Oh, a guy made an arguably transphobic meme reference, got fired for it, and the company apologised? How is that not settled?
You know who made an actual transphobic meme reference, never apologised, and never got fired?
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/699781763346800640

Everyone is explicitly sexualised in in-universe advertising? But somehow that's uniquely transphobic because trans people are apparently fetishised more than any other group?
That's bullshit. Go to any fucking general porn site. Trans porn isn't pulling the big numbers, in content produced or consumed.
If you're trans and your kink is futanari hentai or whatever and that's what your HDD is filled with, that's a YOU thing, not a general society thing.

Poland is having a reactionary pusback against LGBT rights, so the actual LGBT employees who work at CDPR somehow 'don't count' because they're polish?
CDPR selling fucking merch that explicitly supports LGBT rights and donates to LGBT causes somehow 'doesn't count' because of their baseline Polish homophobia? FOH.
People fighting for rights in a country where those rights are actually at fucking risk are not "less" LGBT supporters than some fucking upper middle class slacktivist in San Francisco because the environemnt they live in is more hostile towards them - they're more of an activist.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30669 on: November 21, 2020, 10:54:46 AM »
I laughed at the guy admitting he had one of the attempted derailers on ignore so hadn’t seen the “fuck CDPR” drive by. Which they’re adamant isn’t drive by posting because it’s different when they do it.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30670 on: November 21, 2020, 10:59:31 AM »
I wouldn't say they are trying to run trans people off the boards. More like trying to run shitstirrers like Ketkat off the board. Can you imagine if Ketkat was still around during this furor over CP 2077? It would make Kyuuji's current crusade against CDPR child's play in comparison.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30671 on: November 21, 2020, 11:04:04 AM »
I'm not saying Era is anywhere close to the levels of crazy I've seen on Twitter, because we aren't.

:dunno

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30672 on: November 21, 2020, 11:19:40 AM »
They basically ran John off of the site over nothing.  :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30673 on: November 21, 2020, 11:22:41 AM »
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Yeah, I meant the hype thread, not this one. I feel like banning hype threads (OT, review thread, trailers, Night Wire stuff) for a period of time (one week, two, until the end of the year, or permanently) starting from the launch week - or maybe even starting from the beginning of the month - would be way more effective. I'm sorry to anyone who wishes to discuss the game considering its transphobic content. But maybe they could even use this thread for that.

 :comeon
Yes. Have all the people that want to actually talk about CP 2077 discuss it in a bait thread littered with landmines. That's totally wise and not a blatant attempt to get a lot of "problematic" people banned.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30674 on: November 21, 2020, 11:35:47 AM »
They basically ran John off of the site over nothing.  :lol

you'll notice dark10x still posts on twitter, but stays the fuck away from era :kermit

Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30675 on: November 21, 2020, 12:13:43 PM »
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If they "supported" (not whole heatedly, since it obviously doesn't weight on their conscience) the cause, chances are that something could possibly be done, and maybe CDPR would finally do something about it and apologize

What do they want CDPR to apologize for?

-The problematic tweets? The guy who made them was let go from the company a while ago. What else can CDPR to do?
-Promoting a woman cosplayer cosplaying as a trans character? Trans women are women, so why is that an issue? The cosplayer is a woman...playing a woman. This attack is nonsensical.
-The sexy ads? Completely in character for a dystopian mega corp run society. This just make them sound like prudes, which they so desperately claim they are not
-The ad with the trans character? It is far from being universally accepted that that's transphobic. There's been arguments both ways whether that ad could be considered transphobic or not.

All while this is happening, CDPR is promoting trans musical artists on the CP 2077 OST
Selling merch to raise funds for LGBT friendly charities
They are doing all this while the country they operate out of is becoming more and more hostile towards LGBT people--and people who support them.

TransERA has built an entirely fictional CDPR in their heads and won't let go. Crunch is the only clear cut legit thing you can bust CDPR for, and I doubt they care about that as much as they like to use it as a vector of attack on CDPR.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30676 on: November 21, 2020, 12:16:02 PM »
I'm not saying Era is anywhere close to the levels of crazy I've seen on Twitter, because we aren't.

:dunno

Some dude went off because he assumed the DF guy had a Prussian officer dueling scar :lol

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We should be fucking celebrating the fact that we even had a next-gen console launch this year, considering, uhm, I don't know, the deadly pandemic affecting the entire world...

Should we ?
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30677 on: November 21, 2020, 12:22:35 PM »

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30678 on: November 21, 2020, 12:23:26 PM »
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John stopped posting here for a reason.
For reasons around his personal health. He wasn't insulted he was asked questions around a video. Please don't misrepresent what happened if this is what this thread is for, since it's been long-since resolved and only crops up when people feel a need to distort what happened around the Ion Fury situation. You're not doing either end any favours by doing so.

He wanted to spend more time with his family.
 :nothing
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Boredfrom

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30679 on: November 21, 2020, 12:32:41 PM »
What a scumbag move. Dinosaur legs knows that guy will not say anything because he would want to avoid another shit show.

How this shit makes them better than reality altering alt righters?

BIONIC

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30680 on: November 21, 2020, 12:39:32 PM »
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John stopped posting here for a reason.
For reasons around his personal health. He wasn't insulted he was asked questions around a video. Please don't misrepresent what happened if this is what this thread is for, since it's been long-since resolved and only crops up when people feel a need to distort what happened around the Ion Fury situation. You're not doing either end any favours by doing so.

He wanted to spend more time with his family.
 :nothing

I thought asking question was a right-wing grifter gamergate tactic  :hmm
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30681 on: November 21, 2020, 12:52:07 PM »
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John stopped posting here for a reason.
For reasons around his personal health. He wasn't insulted he was asked questions around a video. Please don't misrepresent what happened if this is what this thread is for, since it's been long-since resolved and only crops up when people feel a need to distort what happened around the Ion Fury situation. You're not doing either end any favours by doing so.

He wanted to spend more time with his family.
 :nothing

"The situation was resolved"

Sure... That's why John stopped posting

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30682 on: November 21, 2020, 01:03:43 PM »
they sound like the lore  :neogaf

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Averon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30683 on: November 21, 2020, 01:15:41 PM »
It's pathetic how they are trying to wash their hands in regards to driving John from ERA. They were dogpiling the man in threads unrelated to Ion Fury, made all sorts of accusation his way without evidence, and made it impossible for him to interact with the forum in any normal capacity. Now that they feel a sliver of guilt for pushing John's mental health to the brink, they are trying to rewrite what happened.
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Pissy F Benny

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30684 on: November 21, 2020, 02:01:08 PM »
:trumps
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Pissy F Benny

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30685 on: November 21, 2020, 02:01:50 PM »
we should have witch hunts over some bullshit on the bire it looks like its fun :brain :reeeee
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30686 on: November 21, 2020, 02:11:16 PM »
we should have witch hunts over some bullshit on the bire it looks like its fun :brain :reeeee

Fun? Have you been missing the weekly suicide threads over there?

BIONIC

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30687 on: November 21, 2020, 02:52:40 PM »
Quote from: Beth Cyra, post: 52155590, member: 9614
There isn’t something that is being addressed but I really feel needs too.

The OT for Cyberpunk is more toxic outwardly than people are giving it credit for and I don’t even mean the person who is making the stories or whatever.

It proudly broadcasts that it has Media impressions and it been said over and over again how the Media is glowing about it, it is actively drawing people in and could be a source of FOMO...all these press out let’s and media are in here and blowing up? Well I need to see what they are saying.

Not saying anything can be done, but the unspoken validity and support is already there because Media is actively taking part in the OT and encouraging the behavior.
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Yeah the tons of Cyberpunk threads really makes clear how because the game is so big people don't really care. I've struggled with it myself since I've had the game pre-ordered for a long time and it's been my most anticipated game since it's announcement. Personally I'm having to decide to cancel it now or not. Which I'm sure a lot of people would think I need to cancel now for sure, and that I shouldn't support them by buying it. Honestly it is something I'm struggling with, not really a way I can get it used on pc but I could wait until later when it gets cheap. At this point really typing it out it seems more clear I probably should cancel it.

  But at the very least I'm not getting hyped over every drip fed news drop and really i just have a bad taste in my mouth when I read or hear the title of the game due to the studios clear trans hate or dismissal of that group of people. I can't imagine how sick it would make me feel if I was in that group of people myself. I am already associating the game with hate in my head every time I hear it. It kills my whole positive feeling to the game even though I know it's a game I would love the mechanics of and playing it.


No other games I can think of have so many OTs for their marketing every time their marketing machine spins up.
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I don't think even Smash got this many pre-release threads. Maybe just the general hype and character reveals, but even so.

It's so hypocritical to promote Cyberpunk this much while having the Trans logo at the same time.

Edit: Okay my brain blanked and didn't notice the logo is gone now. But this thread is still stickied (good).

Three different flavors of salt  :mouf
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« Reply #30688 on: November 21, 2020, 04:08:46 PM »
So much trans hate from a company that doesn't actually have any trans hate. Where in the fuck is this level of delusion coming from?  :lol

The game will come out, people will like it or not and carry on with their lives. This continuous paranoia like CDPR will announce the day of release some Order 66 type of plan to be put in motion to wipe out trans people is getting way way beyond absurd.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30689 on: November 21, 2020, 04:21:29 PM »
All they care about is being a victim. Victims of cdprs, victims of the community which doesn't take their bait, victims of the mods who don't do enough etc.

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« Reply #30690 on: November 21, 2020, 04:32:01 PM »
they are their own victims as well  :neogaf

"let me make myself and everyone around me completely miserable for the cause!"

*no one cares*

"reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
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BIONIC

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30691 on: November 21, 2020, 05:05:46 PM »
Quote from: Beth Cyra, post: 52167653, member: 9614
I’m going to be frank here.

This Mod team are all smart, they knew how this would go just as they know how launch will go and the majority will continue to ignore us if not be out right hostel to us.  This was a band aid, they know it.  We know it.  The people that don’t fucking care or hate us know it.

Unless this game goes as far as to actually put in hate crimes that are on the nose and forced storyline stuff, nothing is going to be done or said that is beyond reformatting what was originally said.

Almost there sweetie.
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« Reply #30692 on: November 21, 2020, 05:14:05 PM »
thebore.com knows it!

bionic knows it!

filler knows it!

nintex knows it!

even that lil cool young dude slut shosti knows it!
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« Reply #30693 on: November 21, 2020, 05:23:59 PM »
Stephen King is jealous of the imagination they have in conjuring up all these boogeyman that hate them.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30694 on: November 21, 2020, 05:24:05 PM »
Where do Kyuuji and Crossing Eden get off now defending whoever the fuck they are talking about.  This is like that streamer who jumped off a bridge and Era's prominent members had to say, "I never said he should kill himself.  Well I did, but I didn't mean it.  It's everyone else who meant it that are wrong."
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30695 on: November 21, 2020, 05:40:50 PM »

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« Reply #30696 on: November 21, 2020, 05:48:33 PM »
thebore.com knows it!

bionic knows it!

filler knows it!

nintex knows it!

even that lil cool young dude slut shosti knows it!
piss benoit has the documents!
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benjipwns

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30697 on: November 21, 2020, 06:58:52 PM »
What do they want CDPR to apologize for?

-The problematic tweets? The guy who made them was let go from the company a while ago. What else can CDPR to do?
Hire trans people for both leadership and lower positions, sensitivity readers, and make sure all employees go through a "diversity training," highlighting the importance of these issues both internally and to their customers.

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« Reply #30698 on: November 21, 2020, 07:05:36 PM »
so they just want jobs  :lol :trumps
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clothedmacuser

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30699 on: November 21, 2020, 07:15:37 PM »
"Sensitivity readers."

It's a brave new world out there.  Time to make my name in it.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30700 on: November 21, 2020, 07:21:22 PM »
"Sensitivity readers."

It's a brave new world out there.  Time to make my name in it.

The world of sensitivity readers is fun, like the time a professional sensitivity reader's book was cancelled

https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/ya-book-scandal-kosoko-jackson-a-place-for-wolves-explained.html

Clockwork5

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« Reply #30701 on: November 21, 2020, 07:26:41 PM »
"Sensitivity readers."

It's a brave new world out there.  Time to make my name in it.
Sounds like the perfect gig for a reseterian. Gleefully yet joylessly pointing out all of the “red-flags” in vidya and then being promptly ignored and forever outraged since at the end of the day, we are all dirtbags and like our video games a little bit rotten. 

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« Reply #30702 on: November 21, 2020, 07:30:50 PM »
Where do Kyuuji and Crossing Eden get off now defending whoever the fuck they are talking about.  This is like that streamer who jumped off a bridge and Era's prominent members had to say, "I never said he should kill himself.  Well I did, but I didn't mean it.  It's everyone else who meant it that are wrong."

Etika's suicide hit a raw nerve for me, I really enjoyed his enthusiasm and he didn't deserve what was slung his way, at all.  I considered using the RedMerc account to name and call out the fuckers, but decided it would have fallen on completely deaf ears there even if the post wasn't wiped clean from the website.

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« Reply #30703 on: November 21, 2020, 07:31:05 PM »
https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/ya-book-scandal-kosoko-jackson-a-place-for-wolves-explained.html
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Heidi Heilig, an author who has participated in many online skirmishes and provided a positive blurb for Jackson’s book, hastily revised her Goodreads review of A Place for Wolves. She suggested the book’s content may have changed since she read an early draft, apologized “to those I’ve hurt by my blurb,” and promised to “work harder.”
:ohyeah

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30704 on: November 21, 2020, 07:31:48 PM »
Maybe he should have hired a sensitivity writer.
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« Reply #30705 on: November 21, 2020, 07:37:19 PM »
(The reviewer nonetheless gave the book two stars out of five because “it was ownvoices and well done.”)
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« Reply #30706 on: November 21, 2020, 07:43:15 PM »
More like owned voices :dice

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« Reply #30707 on: November 21, 2020, 07:46:33 PM »
so they just want jobs  :lol :trumps

That is the grift.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30708 on: November 21, 2020, 09:01:52 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-39#post-52183865

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Something I find incredibly frustrating is that it seems people have to ignore the issue if they don't totally agree that CDPR is 100% transphobic. It's become very black and white: you either support Trans Era and view the game and the company as every bit as bad as JKR, or you keep your head down and your mouth shut and only talk about the game in the most shallow terms, because bringing up its issues and trying to unpack them from a less certain position will get you banned for "dismissing concerns about transphobia".

[USER=60521]Arithmetician[/USER] is a perfect example. They didn't seem to be dismissing any concerns, they seemed to be trying to understand those concerns, and even when they proved they weren't entering the discussion in bad faith, they merely had their ban reduced. The message is "keep it light and shut your mouth, or denounce the game".

Trans Era is not responsible for educating people, but I personally feel there needs to be room for discussion, so that people who aren't totally convinced by the OP of this thread can unpack and break down these issues together without fear of getting banned. That's how people's minds get changed, as we've seen in this thread already. This thread might not be the best place for it, since it's about supporting folks who are hurt by the game, and the OT probably isn't a good place for it either, because those who just want to keep it light will drown out discourse about this topic. But I don't think the current policy is the best way to deal with this situation, or advocate for trans people, or understand how different people relate to the game and CDPR.

I wholeheartedly believe that there are people who appear to be ignoring the concerns of Trans Era and are excited to play the game, who still believe trans men are men and trans women are women, but who can't express their feelings about the problematic aspects of the game and dissect each other's interpretations because they know they'll get banned if they say, for example, that they don't think gender-bending, sexually provocative, sleazy, objectifying imagery is the same thing as denial of personhood or hate, and that they aren't ready to denounce CDPR as transphobic yet.

It would be awesome if a mod could weigh in on this and explain the way in which these debates could occur, or if they're not welcome on Era at all, as appears to be the case.

Bets on ban length?
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30709 on: November 21, 2020, 09:09:09 PM »
piece of shit bigot needs a permaban tbh  :pacspit
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30710 on: November 21, 2020, 09:17:46 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-need-to-have-a-talk-about-digital-foundry-comparisons.330335/page-5#post-52153217
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John stopped posting here for a reason. Alex is still here, thankfully. Again, it's nowhere near Twitter... But it's there and we need to do better. I think setting examples helps. There's always stuff we could improve upon.
The reason why John stopped posting here is different though, and without bringing back that discussion - of his own doing.

And it was different...how...?  :brain
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30712 on: November 21, 2020, 09:34:24 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-39#post-52183865

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Something I find incredibly frustrating is that it seems people have to ignore the issue if they don't totally agree that CDPR is 100% transphobic. It's become very black and white: you either support Trans Era and view the game and the company as every bit as bad as JKR, or you keep your head down and your mouth shut and only talk about the game in the most shallow terms, because bringing up its issues and trying to unpack them from a less certain position will get you banned for "dismissing concerns about transphobia".

[USER=60521]Arithmetician[/USER] is a perfect example. They didn't seem to be dismissing any concerns, they seemed to be trying to understand those concerns, and even when they proved they weren't entering the discussion in bad faith, they merely had their ban reduced. The message is "keep it light and shut your mouth, or denounce the game".

Trans Era is not responsible for educating people, but I personally feel there needs to be room for discussion, so that people who aren't totally convinced by the OP of this thread can unpack and break down these issues together without fear of getting banned. That's how people's minds get changed, as we've seen in this thread already. This thread might not be the best place for it, since it's about supporting folks who are hurt by the game, and the OT probably isn't a good place for it either, because those who just want to keep it light will drown out discourse about this topic. But I don't think the current policy is the best way to deal with this situation, or advocate for trans people, or understand how different people relate to the game and CDPR.

I wholeheartedly believe that there are people who appear to be ignoring the concerns of Trans Era and are excited to play the game, who still believe trans men are men and trans women are women, but who can't express their feelings about the problematic aspects of the game and dissect each other's interpretations because they know they'll get banned if they say, for example, that they don't think gender-bending, sexually provocative, sleazy, objectifying imagery is the same thing as denial of personhood or hate, and that they aren't ready to denounce CDPR as transphobic yet.

It would be awesome if a mod could weigh in on this and explain the way in which these debates could occur, or if they're not welcome on Era at all, as appears to be the case.

Bets on ban length?

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because they know they'll get banned if they say, for example, that they don't think gender-bending, sexually provocative, sleazy, objectifying imagery is the same thing as denial of personhood or hate, and that they aren't ready to denounce CDPR as transphobic yet.

ooooh, now you've done it you son of a bitch!

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30713 on: November 21, 2020, 09:36:02 PM »
47 likes  :doge
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30715 on: November 21, 2020, 09:57:09 PM »
I'm going to be Frank.

The fact we had trans week and the community STILL couldn't avoid taking a tiny break from posting new hype threads for the smallest updates tells us all we need to know about this place.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30716 on: November 21, 2020, 09:59:45 PM »
People completely ignoring everything aren't "keeping their heads down", they just don't want to acknowledge it. There's been enough talk about CDPR's transphobia, anyone ignoring it is intentionally dodging it. There has been just about ZERO change in discussion from before and after the day ban in most threads, not even a single "thank you" or "wait what's going on?". I thought there would be at least some people getting pissy about it or a small uproar about "mods are being forum nazis", but there's been just about nothing.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30717 on: November 21, 2020, 10:00:54 PM »
so they hate peaceful protests  :curious
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30718 on: November 21, 2020, 10:05:16 PM »
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There has been just about ZERO change in discussion from before and after the day ban in most threads, not even a single "thank you" or "wait what's going on?". I thought there would be at least some people getting pissy about it or a small uproar about "mods are being forum nazis", but there's been just about nothing.

Wait, so you're mad because people that just want to talk about CP 2077 didn't lash out over the one day thread locking?  ??? :confused

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #30719 on: November 21, 2020, 10:10:14 PM »
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There has been just about ZERO change in discussion from before and after the day ban in most threads, not even a single "thank you" or "wait what's going on?". I thought there would be at least some people getting pissy about it or a small uproar about "mods are being forum nazis", but there's been just about nothing.

Wait, so you're mad because people that just want to talk about CP 2077 didn't lash out over the one day thread locking?  ??? :confused

They got tired of winning.