Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Kurt Russell]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-ipcc-landmark-report-on-global-heating-being-published-on-monday.468699/#post-71034480

Y'all niccas ready to die ?

Who's going to be first to tell him that we're all going to die regardless?

[Nintex]

The thing is no one is going to do the things that would fix it.
Like reducing the population and bombing the coal plants.

[Kurt Russell]

The thing is no one is going to do the things that would fix it.
Like reducing the population and bombing the coal plants.

Ideally, we stop buying all sorts of crap from China, encourage electric vehicle ownership and leper Bezos.

[Nintex]

Electric vehicles are the next step because the power grid is not equipped to handle them yet.
The mass selling of old vehicles would just create more waste and pollution.
We first need better batteries too which are around the corner. In 5 years we can probably make that shift.

My 4 point plan for a healthy, safe and free society for the EU starting January 2022:

1. Nuclear power until we have something better (far less damaging to the environment than coal or gas)
2. Ban unvaccinated (migrants) from entering vaccinated countries and sanction countries that shield and protect human traffickers
3. Child credits for up to 2 kids per family (born after 2021), maximum of 2 pets and 2 vehicles (purchased after 2021)
4. Tax the big polluters (cheap shit from China for starters) and end subsidies and incentives for 'platforms' that offer no added value (booking, amazon etc.) ​

The big problem seems to be that the left runs away with climate and the right with migration, while both topics are intertwined.
Society won't magically improve if you ban or allow all people from entering and you can't just allow the 'free market' to regulate the climate.
Especially considering it is not 'free' anymore anyway with the ECB covering all the debt and polluters or companies that offer nothing but shareholder value being subsidized.

[headwalk]

will be weird in a million years for our silicon successors to look back at this curious fleshy species that in a brief period of less than 100,000 years established a civilisation advanced enough to birth them, shortly before rendering the planet uninhabitable for themselves and getting cleaned up by terminator death squads.

[jorma]

Electric vehicles are the next step because the power grid is not equipped to handle them yet.
The mass selling of old vehicles would just create more waste and pollution.
We first need better batteries too which are around the corner. In 5 years we can probably make that shift.

My 4 point plan for a healthy, safe and free society for the EU starting January 2022:

1. Nuclear power until we have something better (far less damaging to the environment than coal or gas)
2. Ban unvaccinated (migrants) from entering vaccinated countries and sanction countries that shield and protect human traffickers
3. Child credits for up to 2 kids per family (born after 2021), maximum of 2 pets and 2 vehicles (purchased after 2021)
4. Tax the big polluters (cheap shit from China for starters) and end subsidies and incentives for 'platforms' that offer no added value (booking, amazon etc.) ​

The big problem seems to be that the left runs away with climate and the right with migration, while both topics are intertwined.
Society won't magically improve if you ban or allow all people from entering and you can't just allow the 'free market' to regulate the climate.
Especially considering it is not 'free' anymore anyway with the ECB covering all the debt and polluters or companies that offer nothing but shareholder value being subsidized.

i think you just killed the dutch veggie industry 
And there's quite a long list of other countries that pollute way more than China, if that's where you gonna draw the line.

[Kurt Russell]

i think you just killed the dutch veggie industry 
And there's quite a long list of other countries that pollute way more than China, if that's where you gonna draw the line.

Are you sure about that? I mean, if you measure output per capita then maybe, but if you are looking at emissions per country, China lead both in terms of overall emissions and emissions created by fossil fuel.

[Kurt Russell]

3. Child credits for up to 2 kids per family (born after 2021), maximum of 2 pets and 2 vehicles (purchased after 2021)

Would I be able to trade 2 pets for an extra kid, President Nintex?

[jorma]

i think you just killed the dutch veggie industry 
And there's quite a long list of other countries that pollute way more than China, if that's where you gonna draw the line.

Are you sure about that? I mean, if you measure output per capita then maybe, but if you are looking at emissions per country, China lead both in terms of overall emissions and emissions created by fossil fuel.

well you obviously have to measure it by capita, and China is noway near the top

[Superstar]

The Dinger thread is morphing into a classic. The best are the people doubling down, insisting he was still yelling the n-word while looking and waving at the mascot, to the reaction of no one.

[ZombieSupaStar]

I never had kids, or travel by air. So there I did my part. I’ll take my chicken tenders and gaming pc as more than enough fair trade.

 

[Kurt Russell]

well you obviously have to measure it by capita

..because carbon emissions don't affect the climate unless they exceed a certain amount per capita?

[Uncle]

3. Child credits for up to 2 kids per family (purchased after 2021)

[jorma]

well you obviously have to measure it by capita

..because carbon emissions don't affect the climate unless they exceed a certain amount per capita?

Don't be distinguished mentally-challenged. Nintex is affecting the climate more than a random chinese guy, because he can't really help that he is surrounded by a billion other chinese and nintex is only surrounded by 20 million climate changers.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

The Dinger thread is morphing into a classic. The best are the people doubling down, insisting he was still yelling the n-word while looking and waving at the mascot, to the reaction of no one.

People coming into the thread without reading the update is pretty good too.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

The Dinger thread is morphing into a classic. The best are the people doubling down, insisting he was still yelling the n-word while looking and waving at the mascot, to the reaction of no one.

I'm curious to hear how half of those people sound when speaking.

[Klelk]

Dinga with a hard R

[Kurt Russell]

Don't be distinguished mentally-challenged. Nintex is affecting the climate more than a random chinese guy, because he can't really help that he is surrounded by a billion other chinese and nintex is only surrounded by 20 million climate changers.

Per Capita makes absolutely no sense from a climate change perspective though. Montenegro have the second highest per capita emissions at 25.90 Tons. If they were to fully decarbonise overnight, they would reduce global carbon emissions by 0.05% which is akin to a rounding error.

Conversely, if China were to increase their Per capita output to match that of the next highest, Bosnia, this would be an increase of 0.20 tons - which would actually take China from producing 29% of global emissions to producing 30% of global emissions.

So - whatever way you slice it, there's no escaping the fact that China produce almost a third of the global emissions that contribute towards climate change. if we are really serious about doing something here, we need to crack down on the two biggest emitters, China and the USA. If we don't do that, no amount of solar panels, wind turbines and smug Scandinavian vegans will save us. It would be no different to pissing in a bucket in a science fair.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

The Dinger thread is morphing into a classic. The best are the people doubling down, insisting he was still yelling the n-word while looking and waving at the mascot, to the reaction of no one.

All that's missing is Nepenthe making a post about how it's obviously the n word and anybody who disagrees gets banned before being proved wrong again.

[jorma]

Don't be distinguished mentally-challenged. Nintex is affecting the climate more than a random chinese guy, because he can't really help that he is surrounded by a billion other chinese and nintex is only surrounded by 20 million climate changers.

Per Capita makes absolutely no sense from a climate change perspective though. Montenegro have the second highest per capita emissions at 25.90 Tons. If they were to fully decarbonise overnight, they would reduce global carbon emissions by 0.05% which is akin to a rounding error.

Conversely, if China were to increase their Per capita output to match that of the next highest, Bosnia, this would be an increase of 0.20 tons - which would actually take China from producing 29% of global emissions to producing 30% of global emissions.

So - whatever way you slice it, there's no escaping the fact that China produce almost a third of the global emissions that contribute towards climate change. if we are really serious about doing something here, we need to crack down on the two biggest emitters, China and the USA. If we don't do that, no amount of solar panels, wind turbines and smug Scandinavian vegans will save us. It would be no different to pissing in a bucket in a science fair.

because approaching the issue from any other angle than a per capita angle is unfair, since higher emissions give you an economic advantage. Not just Bosnia - everyone has to reduce their output to - at least - chinese per capita levels before they get to whine about china. That would reduce the output by 2.5 billion tons just from the US btw.

and since most of scandinavia has already done that we get to be smug and we don't even have to go vegan 

[Mostima]

Don't be distinguished mentally-challenged. Nintex is affecting the climate more than a random chinese guy, because he can't really help that he is surrounded by a billion other chinese and nintex is only surrounded by 20 million climate changers.

Per Capita makes absolutely no sense from a climate change perspective though. Montenegro have the second highest per capita emissions at 25.90 Tons. If they were to fully decarbonise overnight, they would reduce global carbon emissions by 0.05% which is akin to a rounding error.

Conversely, if China were to increase their Per capita output to match that of the next highest, Bosnia, this would be an increase of 0.20 tons - which would actually take China from producing 29% of global emissions to producing 30% of global emissions.

So - whatever way you slice it, there's no escaping the fact that China produce almost a third of the global emissions that contribute towards climate change. if we are really serious about doing something here, we need to crack down on the two biggest emitters, China and the USA. If we don't do that, no amount of solar panels, wind turbines and smug Scandinavian vegans will save us. It would be no different to pissing in a bucket in a science fair.

That's completely idiotic. Of course a country with more people should emit more pollution than smaller countries. Why the fuck would you expect 1.4 billion people to emit as much pollution as countries with less than a million people? This is not even considering the fact that many countries around the world rely on China's manufacturing. And don't even pretend like "just stop buying China's cheap crap!" is some kind of counterpoint as if we wouldn't just shift all that industry and pollution to another country.

[Kurt Russell]

That's completely idiotic. Of course a country with more people should emit more pollution than smaller countries.

Idiotic or not, that's what's accelerating climate change. 

China's per capita emissions actually offer a distorted picture. They appear relatively low because a large % of the population live in abject poverty with little to no electricity, amenities, transport, consumer goods to speak of. Their quality of life will neither increase or decrease if you crack down on the carbon shit lords of Shanghai.

And yeah, stop buying stupid shit from China is a great way to reduce emissions. Namely:

• almost 10% of emissions are from freight, so that takes care of some of that
• Manufacture things locally, they are more expensive, people buy less, things like iPhones are used for longer than 24 month disposable cycles
• China's artificial growth is built upon leveraging trade deals to fund a domestic construction industry that serves only to drive growth. Have you never seen the entire ghost cities that exist out there just to prop up unsustainable growth to keep the CCP in power? You take that away, they shrink back to organic growth, stupid shit like this stops.
• Useful side effect: Take China down a peg or two, they may start playing ball again wrt international standards. Fun fact: China actually single-handedly contributed towards reversing the progress made in closing the hole in the ozone layer by restarting production of internationally banned CFC gasses because who's going to stop them whilst they're getting all their cheap shit on Prime day? But I suppose that's fine, because after all, Nintex has a per capita carbon footprint of 2 tons a year more, amirite?
  

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Also, afaik the cost of manufacturing goods are included in the country of import's per capita figures. So 'stop buying stupid shit from China' reduces China's emissions whilst not reducing the country of import's per capita footprint (assuming they manufacture things nationally to the same or better environmental standards). So, you still get to tut at those edgy 1st world bois whilst admiring mother China for their fantastic efforts in only creating 30% of the world's carbon emissions with 18% of the world's population. Cool beans all round.

[close]

[headwalk]

there's definitely some comedy lost in the story no longer being about a middle aged family man just turning up to a televised baseball game so he can sit in the front row in the lazy middle inning sun and repeatedly scream at the next batter out of nowhere, and everyone sitting around him is just like "oh yeah that's greg, don't mind him, he just really doesn't like black people".

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-neighbor-called-the-cops-because-i-havent-mowed-my-lawn.468906/

If i was zeos neighbor i'd also call the cops on him

[Nintex]

well you obviously have to measure it by capita

..because carbon emissions don't affect the climate unless they exceed a certain amount per capita?

Don't be distinguished mentally-challenged. Nintex is affecting the climate more than a random chinese guy, because he can't really help that he is surrounded by a billion other chinese and nintex is only surrounded by 20 million climate changers.

That's exactly one of my arguments actually.

Soon they will say: "Look at Afghanistan, we need to shelter these people" but if they move to Europe their carbon footprint will be much larger than it is living under the Taliban.
In China the 'random' Chinese are not allowed to increase their carbon footprint by taking more flights, buying more cars or having access to better healthcare. They are essentially human lifestock.
But China will built ~1200 more coal plants the coming years and 80% those are to be located in China itself. Germany has about 60 coal plants in total that are still operational so closing those down doesn't change anything.
Plus as Kurt says we are responsible for China's emissions as well because so many people buy cheap and mostly poor quality products that are made there.

We keep increasing the lifespan of everyone as well, so we can't solve the climate problem unless we invent some magical device that fixes it.
So either the climate cult starts to work on ideas to curb global population growth or they're not serious about preventing climate change.

And they really aren't because when climate comes up, suddenly the borders, countries and nations matter and the climate stops at the borders of the US and EU.
There's a list of the cities with the most polluted air:
https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-cities

It's all China and India topping the charts.

[Rahxephon91]

I like how in the lawn thread there isn’t any reflection of maybe taking care of your lawn.

[Kurt Russell]

There's a list of the cities with the most polluted air:
https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-cities

It's all China and India topping the charts.

But when you take the population of those most polluted cities into account, per capita they are actually breathing air purer than that in the Swiss Alps

[Uncle]

[jorma]

There's a list of the cities with the most polluted air:
https://www.iqair.com/world-most-polluted-cities

It's all China and India topping the charts.

But when you take the population of those most polluted cities into account, per capita they are actually breathing air purer than that in the Swiss Alps

china and india are both trying to do the same economic journey into prosperity the west already did and they aren't going to be convinced when countries polluting twice as much per capita are wagging their fingers and say "nuh uh you can't have what we're having because there's too many of you, and we don't really believe in that per capita mumbo jumbo"

the only way that is ever going to realistically work is to mow our own lawn first and THEN say "you can't go higher than this"

[Uncle]

we should just yell dinger at them until they stop

[Boredfrom]

we should just yell dinger at them until they stop

https://www.resetera.com/threads/racist-fan-caught-calling-a-player-the-n-word-on-tv-mlb-up-maybe-the-d-word-dinger.468771/page-7#post-71058585

Ruining someone whole live because Dinger.

[Boredfrom]

  Look, climate change is scary. I get it, the whole thing has kept me up a few nights too.

That said, this kind of thing isn't healthy. You are going to have a future, you do have an opportunity to live your life and be happy.

We aren't going to be turning into Mad Max world in the next decade or two.

Plus, threads like this are just filled with so much bad advice. Yes, you should plan for the future. No you shouldn't just turn into a goldbug or horde guns and ammo.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/facing-climate-collapse-is-it-logical-to-continue-to-plan-work-towards-and-invest-for-the-long-term-future.469017/page-3#post-71059083

Why the fuck do you allowed doom posting sperging of Climate Change to continue?

[Uncle]

"what if climate change kills us all and I saved money and built a potential better future for myself for nothing"

[team filler]

did the western more developed countries cut back on pollution, or just ship it over to places like chiner and india? we even ship our garbage out to other countries and they probably dump most of it in the ocean 


plus chiner got these bad boys in the works. the west needs to get back on this shizz too

[Nintex]

[Mostima]

Carbon emissions don't care about per capita, but somehow care about arbitrary borders of countries.

[Kurt Russell]

china and india are both trying to do the same economic journey into prosperity the west already did

You've convinced me. What the world really needs to do to fight climate change is to hand a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk 4X4 to every impoverished farmer in rural China and cut down all of their trees, thus allowing them to increase their per capita emissions and catch up with the unfair head start of the imperialist west. Only then can we truly begin to address the global climate crisis.

[Nuitangg]

What a mess if they start using dinger instead of the N word. 

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/doomposting-the-positives-and-negatives-lets-talk-about-it.469098/

Guess Who?

[ZombieSupaStar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/racist-fan-caught-calling-a-player-the-n-word-on-tv-mlb-up-maybe-the-d-word-dinger.468771/page-8#post-71061921

it's because people on this site absolutely HATE being wrong about anything. i've never seen a group of people more unwilling to admit they were wrong except for Trumpers.

 




*checks join date* oct 2017
*checks post count* over 10,000

but i thought ERA was filled with considerate liberal-minded intellectuals?

you're telling me that people here can be as much of a rigid-thinking asshole as someplace like reddit?

say it ain't so!

[BIONIC]

Cut this climate bullshit and post hog

[Joe Molotov]

Dropped the hard R on Dinga, he ain't slick.

[HaughtyFrank]

You know, it’s possible to acknowledge the fact that this fan was probably yelling the mascot’s name without over correcting to the point where you’re making people feel like idiots.

Someone not being racist isn’t exactly a situation to spike the football.

Please don't make people feel like idiots

https://www.resetera.com/threads/baseball-fan-caught-calling-a-player-the-n-word-on-tv-mlb-up-see-threadmark-rockies-fan-confirm-was-calling-for-the-mascot-dinger.468771/post-71051025

[Uncle]

SHE had an incestuous relationship with HER mother, not he

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I get it, the whole thing has kept me up a few nights too.

ok jan

[Cauliflower Of Love]

what if he was calling dinger the n word?

The mascot is cute, but this may be a sign to revisit the name.

[cosmicblizzard]

What makes me uncomfortable about threads like that is the insinuation that doxxing is justified even if someone was saying the n word. Like yeah, let the stadium investigate and ban the guy if it's against their policy, but that's it.  Of course I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to being anti-internet vigilantism in general outside of verifiable instances of animal abuse and even then, that should mostly be the law's job instead of a bunch of trolls that want to feel important.

[jorma]

china and india are both trying to do the same economic journey into prosperity the west already did

You've convinced me. What the world really needs to do to fight climate change is to hand a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk 4X4 to every impoverished farmer in rural China and cut down all of their trees, thus allowing them to increase their per capita emissions and catch up with the unfair head start of the imperialist west. Only then can we truly begin to address the global climate crisis.

We're not gonna be able to say that "we can have Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawks, but you fucking cant", (or in reality, "we can have economic prosperity but you fucking cant")

Either we give the  Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawks up, and then say that China can't have them either or we shut the fuck up about it.

[team filler]

MPG: 11 city / 17 highway

 

[Raist]

4. Tax the big polluters (cheap shit from China for starters)

Country           CO2 emissions per capita

Netherlands      9.62

China               7.38


 

[Uncle]

What makes me uncomfortable about threads like that is the insinuation that doxxing is justified even if someone was saying the n word. Like yeah, let the stadium investigate and ban the guy if it's against their policy, but that's it.  Of course I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to being anti-internet vigilantism in general outside of verifiable instances of animal abuse and even then, that should mostly be the law's job instead of a bunch of trolls that want to feel important.

I've been thinking about this a lot recently

I'm not sure whether I feel like doxing is wrong

the wrong thing is acting on the knowledge of the dox in any way, harassment has always been the issue, whether it's antagonizing them at their house or as minor as signing up their email address for spam

but dox? I mean, people constantly dox themselves, at what point have you simply recorded info they themselves made available one way or another? if you dig to make connections for hours there's something wrong with you, but can it really be called wrong if all you did was google a username?

the world is full of dox already, publicly searchable records as required by law, like lawsuits, how could it be wrong to simply view that info? should digital directories be outlawed?


you can argue that the fear people have that something MIGHT happen when they are doxed is an issue, but that's still a level removed from the actual harassment

what if someone just says "I will dox you," then they make me fear that I might be doxed which if happened would make me fear harassment? how many layers removed is still legitimate fear before anything even happens


I will say in this case, doxing this man does show an unhealthy level of investment beyond well-adjusted humans...it's dumb, but still not harassment in and of itself

[Snoopycat_]

If i was zeos neighbor i'd also call the cops on him

If I was his neighbour I’d dress up as a cop and hire a bunch of hawt dudes to knock on his door every night and ask where leather daddy lives

[HaughtyFrank]

If I had to put a bet on it I wouldn't bet that the characters from XB1 or XB2 would be the *main* characters in the series and that if some appear (like Pyra) they would have some re-designs after the backlash from XB2.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fanbyte-imran-khan-xenoblade-voice-actress-implies-a-new-game-is-in-the-works-%E2%80%94-which-is-true.469152/post-71070807

The Re bubble is hilarious. The internet reaction regarding Pyra was the exact opposite of a backlash

[team filler]

thorium reactors will save us if we don't sabotage them to counter chiner 

[cosmicblizzard]

What makes me uncomfortable about threads like that is the insinuation that doxxing is justified even if someone was saying the n word. Like yeah, let the stadium investigate and ban the guy if it's against their policy, but that's it.  Of course I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to being anti-internet vigilantism in general outside of verifiable instances of animal abuse and even then, that should mostly be the law's job instead of a bunch of trolls that want to feel important.

I've been thinking about this a lot recently

I'm not sure whether I feel like doxing is wrong

the wrong thing is acting on the knowledge of the dox in any way, harassment has always been the issue, whether it's antagonizing them at their house or as minor as signing up their email address for spam

but dox? I mean, people constantly dox themselves, at what point have you simply recorded info they themselves made available one way or another? if you dig to make connections for hours there's something wrong with you, but can it really be called wrong if all you did was google a username?

the world is full of dox already, publicly searchable records as required by law, like lawsuits, how could it be wrong to simply view that info? should digital directories be outlawed?


you can argue that the fear people have that something MIGHT happen when they are doxed is an issue, but that's still a level removed from the actual harassment

what if someone just says "I will dox you," then they make me fear that I might be doxed which if happened would make me fear harassment? how many layers removed is still legitimate fear before anything even happens


I will say in this case, doxing this man does show an unhealthy level of investment beyond well-adjusted humans...it's dumb, but still not harassment in and of itself

Doxxing is specifically finding someone's address/phone number/other things not public and posting it in public places to me.  And yes, I'm aware of public record and things like whitepages.  I'm not really a fan of those in general and I know public figures take steps to get their information delisted (was looking into it myself when I was active on Youtube, but ended up not bothering since the channel wasn't big enough to matter). 

If someone's being an idiot with their information and self-doxxing, I'm a lot less sympathetic, though I'd still advise against harrassing someone at their house and calling their phone nonstop and whatnot.  I think what annoys me most is the identifying an "enemy" for the tactics they use and then utilizing the exact same tactics as if they're any better.  I remember being annoyed when Adam Sessler went on his "dox them all!" rant because it just seemed like prime hypocrisy, and now everyone's doing it.

[Nintex]

4. Tax the big polluters (cheap shit from China for starters)

Country           CO2 emissions per capita

Netherlands      9.62

China               7.38


 

Afghanistan 0.25

North Korea 1.12

Cuba 2.5

Venezuela 5.5

United States of America 15.50

Time for regime change, let the Taliban rule America

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/baseball-fan-caught-calling-a-player-the-n-word-on-tv-mlb-up-see-threadmark-rockies-fan-confirm-was-calling-for-the-mascot-dinger.468771/post-71060949

That's that then.

For once it really was just an extremely unfortunate misunderstanding and not actual racist bullshit.

For once? Nah you cunt, it's definitely not the first or the last time you bunch of twats try to ruin someone's life without reason or justification.

Maybe take this as a learning opportunity...who am I kidding. Sharpen the pitchforks Reeeeesetera, there's old white men calling out to mascots and racist digital zombies to lynch!!!

[Kurt Russell]

On the one hand, sure, the Chinese are engaging in the mass genocide of Uyghur Muslims. BUT, per capita, that's nowhere near the levels of the Spanish inquisition and they're a developing nation, so it's only fair we give them a chance to catch up.

[clothedmacuser]

what
the

FUCK!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/apple-is-about-to-enable-client-side-tool-for-csam-child-sexual-abuse-material-scanning-on-iphones.467193/post-70830927

There's a bunch of things where it's better for everyone to let criminals get away with it because the cure is worse than the disease. I know it's child pornography and that has a lot of emotional weight behind it, but pretty sure this is one of those instances.

Still not banned. 

[BikeJesus]

what
the

FUCK!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/apple-is-about-to-enable-client-side-tool-for-csam-child-sexual-abuse-material-scanning-on-iphones.467193/post-70830927

There's a bunch of things where it's better for everyone to let criminals get away with it because the cure is worse than the disease. I know it's child pornography and that has a lot of emotional weight behind it, but pretty sure this is one of those instances.

Still not banned.

Can someone check on ms galaxy?