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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-announces-ampere-rtx-3090-for-dollar1499-rtx-3080-for-dollar699-rtx-3070-for-dollar499

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The GeForce RTX 3090 is aimed at 8K gaming  at 60 frames per second, so it comes equipped with 10,496 CUDA cores that feature a boost clock up to 1.7 GHz. There's also 24GB of 19.5 Gbps GDDR6X memory across a 384-bit memory interface. The graphics card has a 350W TDP (thermal design power) and requires two 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

Nvidia touts the GeForce RTX 3080 as the flagship Ampere SKU. The chipmaker is promising up to double the performance over the previous GeForce RTX 2080. According to Nvidia, the GeForce RTX 3080 is capable of providing a perfect 60 frames per second gaming experience at 4K even with ray tracing enabled.

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2020, 03:31:08 PM »
3080? that's for poors now.

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2020, 03:41:58 PM »
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 03:45:27 PM »
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 03:52:20 PM »
I'll probably end up getting a 3080 next Spring or Summer, right now wtf is the point of playing anything in 4k/60 with ray tracing turned on (I'm ignoring the imminent existence of Cyberpunk obvs)

The 1080ti has done a man's job for the past 2+ years, I can ride it for another 6-9 months
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2020, 03:53:59 PM »
I only have a sad ass 1060 3gb so that weaps in Cyberpunk 2077

Would a 2600x bottleneck a 3070?

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2020, 03:58:03 PM »
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.
Iím curious about this too.  I just recently built a new pc but waited on graphics cards since I knew these were coming up, so Iím wondering whether to get a founders 3070 or partner version.

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2020, 04:20:48 PM »
Saw people yesterday trying to sell their 2080ti's for $1000, rip.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2020, 04:25:05 PM »
Let us pray that AMD still has a competitive offering.

I only have a sad ass 1060 3gb so that weaps in Cyberpunk 2077

Would a 2600x bottleneck a 3070?

I think you'll be fine if you're playing 1440P or higher. I wouldn't consider replacing that CPU until AMD announces their AM5 CPUs like a year from now as it'll be a while before it becomes a bottleneck with any game.

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2020, 04:27:10 PM »
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.
Iím curious about this too.  I just recently built a new pc but waited on graphics cards since I knew these were coming up, so Iím wondering whether to get a founders 3070 or partner version.

The cooling on the partner cards is better 1000% of the time
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2020, 05:02:25 PM »
I have a 2080 supper and just play at 1440p. Think that will be good for Cyperpunk?

Also please donít make fun of me as Iím an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2020, 05:34:55 PM »
Yeah, should be plug and play, as long as you have the latest driver supporting the card.

Edit: As long as you go Nvidia to Nvidia. Use DDU first before going from Nvidia to AMD, or vice versa

I'm going to hold out for a possible 3080ti and do a platform switch to AMD as well. Zen 4 baby!
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2020, 05:38:15 PM »
Also please donít make fun of me as Iím an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?

lol.

But more seriously: Yes. Unless you're on *NIX (which you probably aren't by your own admittance) which would be a gigantic PITA if you switched teams (AMD/Nvidia).

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These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2020, 06:00:28 PM »
Actually seems like good price/performance ratios this gen

Are AMD going to release anything competitive, or have they given up on GPUs?
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2020, 06:07:50 PM »
performance delta actually sounds worth it this time around  :drool

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2020, 06:09:09 PM »
Also please donít make fun of me as Iím an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?

lol.

But more seriously: Yes. Unless you're on *NIX (which you probably aren't by your own admittance) which would be a gigantic PITA if you switched teams (AMD/Nvidia).

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These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

Don't worry, that's shosta.

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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2020, 08:31:21 PM »
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding
$499 usually translates to 599 EUR for a base model and 650 EUR for any model actually worth it (ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte).
Depending on supply and demand that price could be higher at launch.

With regards to bottlenecks, I think any CPU below the Ryzen 7 3700x will be a bottleneck for these cards at 4k, hell even the Ryzen 7 3700x probably won't get you all the performance.
At lower resolutions that shouldn't really be a problem. I would recommend 32GB of RAM though. That was already necessary for my 2070 Super to run smoothly. Oh and without an SSD you might as well install this thing into a Sega Saturn
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2020, 10:17:43 PM »
Wish this would mean 20xx series cards would bottom out in price but a 2080ti will probably never go below 400

AMD will continue doing their thing in the midrange just a shame nvidia is unchallenged at enthusiast tier

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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2020, 10:20:56 PM »
Stats look really good and prices are pretty decent. I'm still more than happy with my 2080ti I got last fall with my new build and there's nothing coming out in the next year or so that looks like I'll need more for my 1440p monitor & 1080p tv.

But maybe in a year or two I'd go for an upgrade to a 3080ti. They're talking about doubling performance #s and it's pretty rare to get a 2x jump between cards. Usually is like a 33%-50% increase each year so I wait a couple of years to get at least double what I was getting in fps.

If I hadn't upgraded and I was still rocking my 980GTX, I'd get on the 3080 for sure.

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2020, 10:59:42 PM »
These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2020, 12:05:36 AM »
These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

You'll need at least 750 watt PSU plus a proprietary 12-pin to use the 3090 according to Nvidia. 3080 requires less watts but same cable. I'm pretty sure they'll include an adapter.

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2020, 01:24:19 AM »
These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

You'll need at least 750 watt PSU plus a proprietary 12-pin to use the 3090 according to Nvidia. 3080 requires less watts but same cable. I'm pretty sure they'll include an adapter.
I'll wait for reviews/benchmarks anyway, but i hope the 3070 is gonna run on my modest PSU, because i'm thinking of getting in that, instead of a PS5.
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2020, 02:22:32 AM »
Nice I actually
Have a 750watt power supply.

Rest of my rig is getting long in the tooth though, so probably will have to replace almost everything and just give it to my kid, even though for general
Computing stuff itís still great.

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2020, 07:08:13 AM »
Still kinda feel like the 3070 is priced too high, even if the performance is pretty crazy, I think people's perceptions are skewed a bit but the extra shitty price v performance ratio of the 20xx series.

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2020, 10:22:19 AM »
Thinking of waiting for whenever the TI variant releases and selling my card between now and then - hopefully when second hand prices go up a little lol

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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2020, 10:50:16 AM »
These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2020, 11:59:10 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2020, 01:09:37 PM »
These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2020, 01:19:53 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2020, 01:51:26 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2020, 02:56:59 PM »
I'm actually more than fine with my 2070 Super purchase in the beginning of this year, I can pretty much tackle any game I've wanted at Max & my 2 NvME SSDs are probably more than fine for this gen too.

I want to see when these 2070 Super cards even start feeling the heat, there's nothing technically impressive on the horizon that warrants these from such a recent upgrade so far.
Doesn't help that "next gen graphics" so far have been incredibly underwhelming.

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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2020, 03:16:00 PM »
Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020

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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2020, 03:23:53 PM »
Fuck thatís huge. Do I need a new case?

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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2020, 03:55:31 PM »
If there are "next gen games" coming anytime soon they'll be Sony exclusives anways.

Why I'm not really worried about the next year or so either.

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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2020, 05:31:40 PM »
Fuck thatís huge. Do I need a new case?
If you can pay 1400$ for a 3090, you can afford to buy a new case.

The 3080 and 3070 have normal dimensions.

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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2020, 05:37:24 PM »
Fuck thatís huge. Do I need a new case?

You might. If you have a standard "beige box" you more than likely will need those huge-ass 60lbs. steel cases.

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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2020, 05:50:36 PM »
Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020
Not out, true, but they've had plenty of showings now.

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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2020, 05:55:33 PM »
Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020
Not out, true, but they've had plenty of showings now.

I meam I agree with you I havent seen anything interesting yet

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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2020, 06:38:51 PM »
Let's be honest: "Next-gen" will just be this gen + 2% better graphics. :doge

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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2020, 01:06:46 AM »
Fuck thatís huge. Do I need a new case?
If you can pay 1400$ for a 3090, you can afford to buy a new case.

The 3080 and 3070 have normal dimensions.

If anyone is looking for a 3090 that's regular sized see the EVGA XC3 line (scroll down here to see the models available). They're the only ones I've seen making a dual slot 3090 (technically 2.2 slots but within even many mITX clearances).

EVGA also have great service ime.

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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2020, 01:10:01 AM »
I'll second EVGA. Both my GTX's have been from them and they've been solid.

Edit: Those look better, but looking at the product line, they're still 2.5-2.75 (nearly 3 slots) which is my opposition to the 3090/30XX line (bar the case requirements, of course).

Maybe in a year or two, Nvidia and crew will get them down to two slots with better cooling/die-shrink/etc. So I'm not exactly jumping for a new GPU (and even if I was, I'd be in the budget range/XX60's anyway), so the size decrease can happen for me.

Means I won't get any whizz-bang graphic options in Cyberpunk, but fuck: I barely notice half that shit anyway.
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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2020, 01:31:23 AM »
Edit: Those look better, but looking at the product line, they're still 2.5-2.75 (nearly 3 slots) which is my opposition to the 3090/30XX line (bar the case requirements, of course).

I mean, only their FTW3 is 2.5/2.75 slots but I'm glad they make the XC3 model for those with more compact clearances.

So I'm not exactly jumping for a new GPU (and even if I was, I'd be in the budget range/XX60's anyway), so the size decrease can happen for me.

The leaks suggested the 3060s will release following the 3070s in October but we'll see. For even more compact dual slot cards I know Zotac has a dual fan 3070 model but perhaps sometime EVGA will make a non-watercooled dual fan 3070 (or reserve it for their 3060).


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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2020, 06:07:32 AM »
EVGA had some fuckups, but are usually very good at making good on that again. Really happy with my 1080TI from them
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« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2020, 07:02:44 AM »
Some Nvidia 8K benchmarks on their 3090 FE (and interestingly choosing to use a last gen Intel CPU, potentially indicating bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x16 is sufficient):


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« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2020, 08:01:04 AM »
Some Nvidia 8K benchmarks on their 3090 FE (and interestingly choosing to use a last gen Intel CPU, potentially indicating bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x16 is sufficient):

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This is fucking insane :crazy

lmao without DLSS control runs at 8fps  :dead

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« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2020, 07:59:02 PM »
tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings :foxx

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable
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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2020, 08:01:38 PM »
i will definitely be looking into getting a 3070 or 3080 at some point in the next year if next gen improvements like ray tracing really become a thing and those cards do it justice
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« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2020, 08:04:13 PM »
4K is the new 1440P finally.

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« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2020, 08:21:08 PM »
tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings :foxx

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable
Not just you. Doom is a great looking ( more importantly, amazingly running) game but I legitimately can't tell the difference with any of the settings past High. And even then high-> medium aint that much of a diff either

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« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2020, 09:26:32 PM »
tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings :foxx

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable
Not just you. Doom is a great looking ( more importantly, amazingly running) game but I legitimately can't tell the difference with any of the settings past High. And even then high-> medium aint that much of a diff either
This is the case for a lot of games (at least for certain settings).
I can't count how many times the difference between "high" and "very high" in things like water quality is virtually invisible.
I haven't played Doom, but i think a lot of modern games aren't super scalable, so even at "low" they tend to be sometwhat good looking.

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« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2020, 11:28:05 AM »
I dont get why people are surprised that the new cards are better than the old ones. It's always been like this. The pinnacle card from last gen is always about as good as the high mid range from the next gen. It kinds of sucks, but 2080TI must have been your first graphics card to be surprised by this.

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« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2020, 07:58:51 PM »
Sold my 1080 today. Think Iíll be good to just walk into Best Buy on the 17th and buy a 3080.

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« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2020, 05:43:02 PM »
https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961



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8K is an ultra-meme.

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« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2020, 06:03:43 PM »
1080peasants :biden

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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2020, 06:30:19 PM »
1080p in 2020...  :girlaff

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Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2020, 06:35:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961

4K is a meme.

8K is an ultra-meme.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Nearly everyone is still on 1080p. Give me cheaper cards and more VRAM for 1080.

"Just saying"  :doge

bleeding edge graphics card upgrade is for niche enthusiasts and professionals of course.
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