Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)

[Human Snorenado]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-announces-ampere-rtx-3090-for-dollar1499-rtx-3080-for-dollar699-rtx-3070-for-dollar499

The GeForce RTX 3090 is aimed at 8K gaming  at 60 frames per second, so it comes equipped with 10,496 CUDA cores that feature a boost clock up to 1.7 GHz. There's also 24GB of 19.5 Gbps GDDR6X memory across a 384-bit memory interface. The graphics card has a 350W TDP (thermal design power) and requires two 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

Nvidia touts the GeForce RTX 3080 as the flagship Ampere SKU. The chipmaker is promising up to double the performance over the previous GeForce RTX 2080. According to Nvidia, the GeForce RTX 3080 is capable of providing a perfect 60 frames per second gaming experience at 4K even with ray tracing enabled.

[Mr Gilhaney]

3080? that's for poors now.

give me my 3 slot chunky boi, mr jensen.

[MMaRsu]

Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding

[Mr Gilhaney]

Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding

the brexit prices arent too bad, so maybe we can be lucky

[Human Snorenado]

I'll probably end up getting a 3080 next Spring or Summer, right now wtf is the point of playing anything in 4k/60 with ray tracing turned on (I'm ignoring the imminent existence of Cyberpunk obvs)

The 1080ti has done a man's job for the past 2+ years, I can ride it for another 6-9 months

[MMaRsu]

I only have a sad ass 1060 3gb so that weaps in Cyberpunk 2077

Would a 2600x bottleneck a 3070?

[Tuckers Law]

Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

I’m curious about this too.  I just recently built a new pc but waited on graphics cards since I knew these were coming up, so I’m wondering whether to get a founders 3070 or partner version.

[Joe Molotov]

Saw people yesterday trying to sell their 2080ti's for $1000, rip.

[brawndolicious]

Let us pray that AMD still has a competitive offering.

I only have a sad ass 1060 3gb so that weaps in Cyberpunk 2077

Would a 2600x bottleneck a 3070?

I think you'll be fine if you're playing 1440P or higher. I wouldn't consider replacing that CPU until AMD announces their AM5 CPUs like a year from now as it'll be a while before it becomes a bottleneck with any game.

[Human Snorenado]

Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

I’m curious about this too.  I just recently built a new pc but waited on graphics cards since I knew these were coming up, so I’m wondering whether to get a founders 3070 or partner version.

The cooling on the partner cards is better 1000% of the time

[Rahxephon91]

I have a 2080 supper and just play at 1440p. Think that will be good for Cyperpunk?

Also please don’t make fun of me as I’m an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?

[El Babua]

Yeah, should be plug and play, as long as you have the latest driver supporting the card.

Edit: As long as you go Nvidia to Nvidia. Use DDU first before going from Nvidia to AMD, or vice versa

I'm going to hold out for a possible 3080ti and do a platform switch to AMD as well. Zen 4 baby!

[thisismyusername]

Also please don’t make fun of me as I’m an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?

lol.

But more seriously: Yes. Unless you're on *NIX (which you probably aren't by your own admittance) which would be a gigantic PITA if you switched teams (AMD/Nvidia).

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These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

[who is ted danson?]

Actually seems like good price/performance ratios this gen

Are AMD going to release anything competitive, or have they given up on GPUs?

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Imagine if they didn't have Zen. they would be fucked!

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[naff]

performance delta actually sounds worth it this time around 

[Nintex]

Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding

$499 usually translates to 599 EUR for a base model and 650 EUR for any model actually worth it (ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte).
Depending on supply and demand that price could be higher at launch.

With regards to bottlenecks, I think any CPU below the Ryzen 7 3700x will be a bottleneck for these cards at 4k, hell even the Ryzen 7 3700x probably won't get you all the performance.
At lower resolutions that shouldn't really be a problem. I would recommend 32GB of RAM though. That was already necessary for my 2070 Super to run smoothly. Oh and without an SSD you might as well install this thing into a Sega Saturn

[eleuin]

Wish this would mean 20xx series cards would bottom out in price but a 2080ti will probably never go below 400

AMD will continue doing their thing in the midrange just a shame nvidia is unchallenged at enthusiast tier

[Bebpo]

Stats look really good and prices are pretty decent. I'm still more than happy with my 2080ti I got last fall with my new build and there's nothing coming out in the next year or so that looks like I'll need more for my 1440p monitor & 1080p tv.

But maybe in a year or two I'd go for an upgrade to a 3080ti. They're talking about doubling performance #s and it's pretty rare to get a 2x jump between cards. Usually is like a 33%-50% increase each year so I wait a couple of years to get at least double what I was getting in fps.

If I hadn't upgraded and I was still rocking my 980GTX, I'd get on the 3080 for sure.

[Don Rumata]

These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/jen_spider/status/1300835036132970497

[El Babua]

These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

You'll need at least 750 watt PSU plus a proprietary 12-pin to use the 3090 according to Nvidia. 3080 requires less watts but same cable. I'm pretty sure they'll include an adapter.

[Don Rumata]

These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

You'll need at least 750 watt PSU plus a proprietary 12-pin to use the 3090 according to Nvidia. 3080 requires less watts but same cable. I'm pretty sure they'll include an adapter.

I'll wait for reviews/benchmarks anyway, but i hope the 3070 is gonna run on my modest PSU, because i'm thinking of getting in that, instead of a PS5.

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Or maybe i'll get neither and wait for the 3060 and a PS5 slim. 

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[kingv]

Nice I actually
Have a 750watt power supply.

Rest of my rig is getting long in the tooth though, so probably will have to replace almost everything and just give it to my kid, even though for general
Computing stuff it’s still great.

[remy]

Still kinda feel like the 3070 is priced too high, even if the performance is pretty crazy, I think people's perceptions are skewed a bit but the extra shitty price v performance ratio of the 20xx series.

[EightBitNate]

Thinking of waiting for whenever the TI variant releases and selling my card between now and then - hopefully when second hand prices go up a little lol

[Coax]

These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

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[Human Snorenado]

[thisismyusername]

These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

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Seriously though:



MASSIVE.

[Nintex]

thicc boi

[MMaRsu]

Delicious powah

[Don Rumata]

I'm actually more than fine with my 2070 Super purchase in the beginning of this year, I can pretty much tackle any game I've wanted at Max & my 2 NvME SSDs are probably more than fine for this gen too.

I want to see when these 2070 Super cards even start feeling the heat, there's nothing technically impressive on the horizon that warrants these from such a recent upgrade so far.

Doesn't help that "next gen graphics" so far have been incredibly underwhelming.

[MMaRsu]

Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020

[EightBitNate]

Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?

[Rufus]

Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?

If you can pay 1400$ for a 3090, you can afford to buy a new case.

The 3080 and 3070 have normal dimensions.

[thisismyusername]

Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?

You might. If you have a standard "beige box" you more than likely will need those huge-ass 60lbs. steel cases.

[Don Rumata]

Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020

Not out, true, but they've had plenty of showings now.

[MMaRsu]

Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020

Not out, true, but they've had plenty of showings now.

I meam I agree with you I havent seen anything interesting yet

[thisismyusername]

Let's be honest: "Next-gen" will just be this gen + 2% better graphics.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/jen_spider/status/1300835036132970497

[Coax]

Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?

If you can pay 1400$ for a 3090, you can afford to buy a new case.

The 3080 and 3070 have normal dimensions.

If anyone is looking for a 3090 that's regular sized see the EVGA XC3 line (scroll down here to see the models available). They're the only ones I've seen making a dual slot 3090 (technically 2.2 slots but within even many mITX clearances).

EVGA also have great service ime.

[thisismyusername]

I'll second EVGA. Both my GTX's have been from them and they've been solid.

Edit: Those look better, but looking at the product line, they're still 2.5-2.75 (nearly 3 slots) which is my opposition to the 3090/30XX line (bar the case requirements, of course).

Maybe in a year or two, Nvidia and crew will get them down to two slots with better cooling/die-shrink/etc. So I'm not exactly jumping for a new GPU (and even if I was, I'd be in the budget range/XX60's anyway), so the size decrease can happen for me.

Means I won't get any whizz-bang graphic options in Cyberpunk, but fuck: I barely notice half that shit anyway.

[Coax]

Edit: Those look better, but looking at the product line, they're still 2.5-2.75 (nearly 3 slots) which is my opposition to the 3090/30XX line (bar the case requirements, of course).

I mean, only their FTW3 is 2.5/2.75 slots but I'm glad they make the XC3 model for those with more compact clearances.

So I'm not exactly jumping for a new GPU (and even if I was, I'd be in the budget range/XX60's anyway), so the size decrease can happen for me.

The leaks suggested the 3060s will release following the 3070s in October but we'll see. For even more compact dual slot cards I know Zotac has a dual fan 3070 model but perhaps sometime EVGA will make a non-watercooled dual fan 3070 (or reserve it for their 3060).

[Mr Gilhaney]

EVGA had some fuckups, but are usually very good at making good on that again. Really happy with my 1080TI from them

[Coax]

Some Nvidia 8K benchmarks on their 3090 FE (and interestingly choosing to use a last gen Intel CPU, potentially indicating bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x16 is sufficient):

[Nintex]

Some Nvidia 8K benchmarks on their 3090 FE (and interestingly choosing to use a last gen Intel CPU, potentially indicating bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x16 is sufficient):

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This is fucking insane

lmao without DLSS control runs at 8fps 

 

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[MMaRsu]

[naff]

tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable

[naff]

i will definitely be looking into getting a 3070 or 3080 at some point in the next year if next gen improvements like ray tracing really become a thing and those cards do it justice

[El Babua]

4K is the new 1440P finally.

[remy]

tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable

Not just you. Doom is a great looking ( more importantly, amazingly running) game but I legitimately can't tell the difference with any of the settings past High. And even then high-> medium aint that much of a diff either

[Don Rumata]

tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable

Not just you. Doom is a great looking ( more importantly, amazingly running) game but I legitimately can't tell the difference with any of the settings past High. And even then high-> medium aint that much of a diff either

This is the case for a lot of games (at least for certain settings).
I can't count how many times the difference between "high" and "very high" in things like water quality is virtually invisible.
I haven't played Doom, but i think a lot of modern games aren't super scalable, so even at "low" they tend to be sometwhat good looking.

[Svejk]

[kingv]

I dont get why people are surprised that the new cards are better than the old ones. It's always been like this. The pinnacle card from last gen is always about as good as the high mid range from the next gen. It kinds of sucks, but 2080TI must have been your first graphics card to be surprised by this.

[EightBitNate]

Sold my 1080 today. Think I’ll be good to just walk into Best Buy on the 17th and buy a 3080.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961





4K is a meme.

8K is an ultra-meme.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Nearly everyone is still on 1080p. Give me cheaper cards and more VRAM for 1080.

[Pissy F Benny]

1080peasants

[thetylerrob]

1080p in 2020... 

[naff]

https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961

4K is a meme.

8K is an ultra-meme.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Nearly everyone is still on 1080p. Give me cheaper cards and more VRAM for 1080.

"Just saying" 

bleeding edge graphics card upgrade is for niche enthusiasts and professionals of course.

[naff]

i wholeheartedly agree that 4k is a joke when IQ in every other conceivable space is so low. like putting on glasses and seeing that your boo is actually a real life doll. i'd take 1080p and better lighting, more complex models, better textures, faster load times and higher framerates before an increase in res any day. those improvements take time and money and are hard to sell on vs "4K". i feel like we're getting to the era of marketing other areas over raw res though. "RTX" is a good start. been a lil' rocky, but it will be sweet when it's just standard and works well.

[Nintex]

1440p is the sweet spot for PC gaming for me on my 27" monitor.

4k only has its benefits if your screen is large enough. On my LG 55 inch OLED TV it certainly makes a difference but it upscales 720p/1080p content very well too (so clean Switch games like Mario Kart 8 and BOTW look razor sharp without any 'jaggies').
I think the increase in res was mostly pushed hard because most developers adapted to FXAA, object based motion blur and physical based rendering and that made the general presentation of most games a bit blurrier.

Unless you pair your 4k GPU with a really nice screen (i.e. LG 55" OLED or equivalent) there isn't a huge benefit to the resolution boost no matter how much super sampling Nvidia throws at it.