Other Forums Containment Thread

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/it%E2%80%99s-crazy-i-use-to-be-so-against-birthdays-but-i-was-wrong.501624/

fuck presents just a lil time in and positive cheerful day

[Cauliflower Of Love]

did cerium move out of the country yet

[remy]

Probably too deep in vegas hooker pussy and cocaine to do anything else

[benjipwns]

Labor just got banned for being an "Alt-Account"

I get pings to check this shit even though I looked into it earlier, and finally, finally found it. Ok, actually going to bed now.

[remy]

2.5k posts is a lot for an alt account!

[Raist]

Yes! MOBA Network is not in the user data business and never will be. They're not going to sell your data. Nothing is going to change about how your data is handled and protected.

Facebook, on the other hand, generates close to all its revenues from marketing, which is more like M.O.B.A.´s business model. However, Facebook has much more data and information about its users, which is very valuable from a marketing perspective.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-116#post-75379641

Anyways...who do I slip a fiver to get my tag changed to spread the gospel of Dragon Girl Supremacy

I aint letting go of my fight

I thought if we learned one thing here, it was that the mods and admins here aren't tempted by the allure of money!

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

Nep

White people nonsense. Stuff like asking us why we went hard on people defending a guy who shit on the Middle East. If nothing else, staff have been consistent in how hard we come down on stuff like that.

Reprehensible racist stuff.

I'm out of here. Requested an account deletion

Now users in that thread are complaining how cracker isn't racist so the fun is over 

[cosmicblizzard]

The fuck you mean alt account?  Wasn't Labor an originally deleted account that came back after changing his mind/getting a fresh start after being a harassed verified member?  Either the staff is THAT stupid or he actually had enough of an obsession to make his own separate alt (despite industry people usually getting more leniency on that).

[SmokyDave]

Labor had been around forever, even back on GAF. We had our run ins back then. There’s no way that was an alt-account.

Didn’t see that one coming.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

obfuscate obfuscate obfuscate

dedicate

actuate

[benjipwns]

Watch, the next time we start investigating the mod incest scandal on The Bire they'll start throwing around custom titles for us!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

My understanding is that he had his original account deleted, changed his mind, and came back with a different account of the same name. Labor was Labor's alt.

[remy]

My understanding is that he had his original account deleted, changed his mind, and came back with a different account of the same name. Labor was Labor's alt.

Vader altering the terms of the agreement moment 

[tuna_love]

is that dumb fuck b dubs still doing this shit for free 

[benjipwns]

My understanding is that he had his original account deleted, changed his mind, and came back with a different account of the same name. Labor was Labor's alt.

This seems plausible. I took Hecht's post to mean they always knew, and the mods Labor was dragging begged him to check again, and he finally got the proof to do it like IPs matched up or something. It's a technical violation of their rules because they ban you from creating multiple accounts "in bad faith" and Labor was acting in "bad faith" by criticizing the mods and a former moderator in Morrigan.

They don't provide "transparency" on these bans like the others. You're just supposed to take their word for it.

[benjipwns]

is that dumb fuck b dubs still doing this shit for free 

They don't want to be paid. It's about the principles of volunteerism.

[remy]

is that dumb fuck b dubs still doing this shit for free 

They don't want to be paid. It's about the principles of volunteerism.

It's actually kind of insulting of you to juvenilize them by implying they can't make their own decisions and are being taken advantage of, tbh

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-117#post-75381162

it's kinda surreal to read this bizarre debate about which slurs are acceptable? None of them? are we going to codify an acceptable list of insults to call other members instead of just not being assholes to each other?

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/metroid-dreads-mercurysteam-discredits-employees-who-didn%E2%80%99t-work-at-least-25-of-the-games-total-dev-time.499911/page-8#post-75316830

User banned (permanent): Whataboutisms. Cross-thread drama. Prior severe bans related to racism and bigotry

What is worst? Discredit a person for their work or not give any money to the people that worked hard to create a community? (if the community is sold by millions) I think that both are really bad, but i just want to read some opinions.

[Snoopycat_]

Stupid waste of time. I don't like to be the center of attention, and certainly don't appreciate being showered with gifts and well-wishes for merely existing.

I don't do them, and I kindly ask people to ignore mine. Most of them do, but some willfully don't respect it and it pisses me off.

I will usually say happy birthday to people I know it is important to, but that is the extent of my willingness to participate.

I don't begrudge people their birthdays, or their celebrations. But I am uncharitable to those who think themselves entitled to things during it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/it%E2%80%99s-crazy-i-use-to-be-so-against-birthdays-but-i-was-wrong.501624/#post-75379089

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-117#post-75381162

it's kinda surreal to read this bizarre debate about which slurs are acceptable? None of them? are we going to codify an acceptable list of insults to call other members instead of just not being assholes to each other?

A list of acceptable slurs? It's dumb, idiotic, demented... almost retar- oh.

[blaze]

What do they even use to detect alts? Because they make it out to be some terribly hard task. Mine lasted 2 years after they banned me initially. Isn’t there an automatic XF add on to do that?

[Nintex]

What do they even use to detect alts? Because they make it out to be some terribly hard task. Mine lasted 2 years after they banned me initially. Isn’t there an automatic XF add on to do that?

Probably your IP or email.

Also Era mods doxx people, I've been there myself and so have others. They're a bunch of hyprocrites.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I don't know why I'm routinely surprised at just how fucking bad era mods are at... well, fucking everything, but here we go again!

Either Nepenthe has legit lost it, or they're trying to pre-emptively establish the narrative for their inevitable firing as "Being Too Real For The Man" by acting like the biggest cunt they can on the way out.

EXCEPT:
  Nepenthe  isn't sticking it to "The Man", they're sticking it to the otherwise sympathetic peons pretty much specifically because they exhibited some sympathy for the situation her dumbshit brain in denial hasn't got round to figuring out yet, while going hard into the paint to suck up to The Man while her cabal of sycophants YAAAASSSSS QUEEEEEEN around her up until the point she is of no more use and will tell her to go fuck off.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Also for all the times I've said Blame Spaces shtick was fundamentally unworkable in a no-fun-allowed space like Era, WHAT A REDEMPTION ARC!

[Pissy F Benny]

lol @ the jannies and their dickriders defending the sale, they're the first people the Swedish overlords will want running off the site when they take over

I sure they won't throw a tantrum a scene when the inevitable Gmail addresses are allowed and they're told not to ban half of the userbase

[Nintex]

Looking at the other boards they own I honestly think MOBA will do what Cerium did, leave Ree to its own devices and let the SEO and ad clicks do the rest.

The staff will realize that they will get no backing from the new owners whatsoever and there's no one to suck up to.
So they regress to what they do best, harass and intimidate their users.

The fact that they kept the old team in place and made no statement after buying the site shows that they don't give a fuck.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Their new owners are definitely going to care when the only ads they can get are for anime incest webcomics because threads are filled with calling prominent black entrepreneurs house distinguished black fellows with official mod endorsement that thats just 'how they police their own'

[Snoopycat_]

It's been fun but really, nobody wants to see Ree overrun with Gaf dregs. It's time to stop the madness. Bring back Morrigan. A reasonable woman with a vagina.

[Risible]

Thanks for all your answers.

Just one question on this, but when where you (and the other admins) notified of the intention to sale? With a broker being involved (who had prior dealings with M.O.B.A.), and with Cerium stating it took months, what was the timeline for the admins in this?

Or was the intention not even discussed and were you all just notified of the sale itself?

I was notified months and months ago. Can't speak to anyone else. But I couldn't say anything because of NDAs and things. And honestly, this is the first time I've gone through a buyout like this, at least as a "top level" person. What, praytell, was I supposed to be angry about?

You are not a "top-level" person.  They gave you a nametag.  You are an unpaid janny that will both complain about people criticizing unpaid labor and the "mental toll" your "job" takes on you.

So wait - the unpaid janitors SIGNED NDA'S?!

Every single time I think it can't get better they prove me wrong.

Someone call a doctor I've had an erection for days at this point.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

How do we as a community reconcile funding a network of other websites that uses our content to pay for bigoted forum administration on other websites? Do we care? Should we care? I honestly dont know and would love to read how other people are rationalizing it as I also want to stay here and this topic has been a huge point of discussion for me in the past as well (Do I still buy books of authors who expressed hateful views outside of their works? Is that the exact same thing? I have honestly no clue).

I hope you're not attempting to draw some sort of comparison with J.K. Rowling with that last line lol.

and if they were, how does that reflect upon your ethical standards and practices?

[HardcoreRetro]

#FreeLabor

Oh wait...

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Thanks for all your answers.

Just one question on this, but when where you (and the other admins) notified of the intention to sale? With a broker being involved (who had prior dealings with M.O.B.A.), and with Cerium stating it took months, what was the timeline for the admins in this?

Or was the intention not even discussed and were you all just notified of the sale itself?

I was notified months and months ago. Can't speak to anyone else. But I couldn't say anything because of NDAs and things. And honestly, this is the first time I've gone through a buyout like this, at least as a "top level" person. What, praytell, was I supposed to be angry about?

You are not a "top-level" person.  They gave you a nametag.  You are an unpaid janny that will both complain about people criticizing unpaid labor and the "mental toll" your "job" takes on you.

So wait - the unpaid janitors SIGNED NDA'S?!

Every single time I think it can't get better they prove me wrong.

Someone call a doctor I've had an erection for days at this point.

It's worse, nep clarified and she didn't sign anything per se, because your word is your bond.

[Uncle]

people keep suicide threading with these long posts about moba network being problematic, are they not bringing up that stuff in the thread dedicated to it? just copy and paste all the content of the locked threads on every page

mods keep trying to frame that thread as a place for users to ask questions of mods about the ownership change, but some of it is by nature not going to be questions

like look nepenthe I don't expect you to be able to explain this or allay fears, moba network is shit and here's why

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I see RedMcCarthy finally got a Brown Nose tag.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/post-75388905


          Is this digital blaccent?
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[railGUN]

Since it's come up a lot, I just wanted to mention that we did discuss this with MOBA Network and they were emphatic that they are not in the user data business and never will be. They're not going to sell your data. Nothing is going to change about how your data is handled and protected.

 

They pinky swore guys, don’t worry!

You people are SO FUCKING STUPID.

[Pissy F Benny]

lol @ the jannies and their dickriders defending the sale, they're the first people the Swedish overlords will want running off the site when they take over

I sure they won't throw a tantrum a scene when the inevitable Gmail addresses are allowed and they're told not to ban half of the userbase

cool post slayven

[nudemacusers]

man that thread encapsulates resetera quite well; something irrevocably 'problematic' happens in the community, drama queens meltdown, a few people leave, and the most performative of the bunch are mollified with a little attention (custom tags).

this just makes me realize i need to start up a resetera-based wework and pay my volunteers in mops and wet-wipes so they can clean up after my paying customers.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I see RedMcCarthy finally got a Brown Nose tag.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/post-75388905


          Is this digital blaccent?
            /

Good for him, he deserves it for all that brown nosing work 

[Joe Molotov]

He’s probably licking his chops at the thought of a mod exodus.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I think the "pay the mods" sentiment has been quite misrepresented, tbh. It is ridiculous that the overarching narrative was that it was only being pushed by angry users who just want an excuse to call them "cops" more and hurl extra abuse. Complete nonsense. Here's a good post from way back that I agree with on this topic:

I talked about this last night, but it's not nonsense. It's how these things go, very consistently. Nobody brings up paying the mods when they're happy with us. What happens is, people get angry, we ask them to dial it down by reminding them that we're just volunteers, and they respond with "then you should be paid (so we can yell at you more.)," which let me tell you, feels like a whole other kind of kick in the teeth. This happens a lot, and it's why the association exists. It's not invented. Tons of current and former staff, as well as regular users, have seen this happen. Please stop trying to paint it over. I'm sure some people really believe in the principle of it, but that's not how it gets used.

The post you quoted is also barking up the wrong tree. Nothing about paying moderators is tied to quality of moderation; see Facebook and Twitter and so on.

I understand the economic principles behind it, and I'm sure that a lot of the people saying it in anger would agree... but they don't advocate for it except when they want to use it as a cudgel against current staff. That's the disconnect. I can't think of a single time when we banned out a bunch of trolls or whatever and somebody started talking about how mods are being exploited and should be rewarded for their labor or whatever. It simply doesn't happen, or if it does, it doesn't happen with a tenth of the frequency of the other way. It almost only comes up when people are pissed off, mostly at the people they're insisting should be paid, and almost only in the context of staff asking them to dial it down. This is what happens, and it's why so many people see it purely as hypocrisy.

And yeah, guys, seriously though, stop whining about people using cracker. It's not getting banned. Learn to live with it.

People didn't bring up mods being paid until they knew the site owner was having a 7 figure pay day, you massive fucking spanner

[Pissy F Benny]

I really hope cerium is paying them something to defend the sale, keep the site going as normal and stop another exodous before he gets all his money, otherwise the mods look like even bigger bitches

[Snoopycat_]

Excuse me unpaid worker would you mind signing this N.D.A? Lovely. OK then, breaks over. Back to work.

[railGUN]

How stupid do you have to be to be a ResetEra mod?

I think it's very possible to acknowledge that people believe in the ethical framework that supports paying the mods while also only really caring enough to bring it up as a cudgel and a way to establish moral superiority in an argument - and honestly, not caring about the mods being paid is fine, because I don't really want to be paid.

This stupid.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

How stupid do you have to be to be a ResetEra mod?

I think it's very possible to acknowledge that people believe in the ethical framework that supports paying the mods while also only really caring enough to bring it up as a cudgel and a way to establish moral superiority in an argument - and honestly, not caring about the mods being paid is fine, because I don't really want to be paid.

This stupid.

Unlike jeff bezos non profits, these labours of love actually don't pay.

[HaughtyFrank]

It sounds to me more like they're scared that getting paid would come with some accountability. They talk about it like it would be a terrifying prospect.

"You only want us to get paid so you can expect better from us!  "

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It sounds to me more like they're scared that getting paid would come with some accountability. They talk about it like it would be a terrifying prospect.

"You only want us to get paid so you can expect better from us!  "

not that the only reason they do it now is to power trip though

[Pissy F Benny]

DEFUND JANNIES

[nudemacusers]

Excuse me unpaid worker would you mind signing this N.D.A? Lovely. OK then, breaks over. Back to work.

breaks? what is this, a JOB? 

[paprikastaude]

I really hope cerium is paying them something to defend the sale, keep the site going as normal and stop another exodous before he gets all his money, otherwise the mods look like even bigger bitches

I don't.

[Nintex]

I really hope cerium is paying them something to defend the sale, keep the site going as normal and stop another exodous before he gets all his money, otherwise the mods look like even bigger bitches

cerium is not paying them shit.

He set it up in a way that he is the sole owner on paper and doesn't have to pay anyone anything.

If he would've just given each mod 10k than they wouldn't get what they are owed but at least received a nice acknowledgment of the work they put in.
That's what Notch did when he sold Mojang to Microsoft, he organized a trip and handed out bonuses to all of the staff as a big thank you.

[Drainage]

A bunch of mods begging not to be paid sure is a progressive display of the value of labor

Thanks resetera!

[HaughtyFrank]

He wasn’t. He asked his first account on this forum to be deleted, then came back under the account name he’s had in this community across two forums.

As a rule, if you ask for your account to be deleted, you have to ask for a new one, not just make an alt. There's a few different reasons for this, not least that it prevents people from splitting their infraction history over multiple accounts, which did happen here.

Their reasoning for banning Labor. 

The guy sure was a criminal genius by making a new account with the same name. And of course you finally figured this out at the very moment when he was calling out a former mods crackery

[nobody of note]

You know, since he said "As a rule" I went and looked at the rules to see if there was anything about alt accounts in specific.e

One Account Only

Each user is allowed only one account. If you are found to have created multiple accounts out of benign misunderstanding, you will generally be asked to pick one and the others will be closed. If you are found to have created multiple accounts in bad faith, such as for ban evasion or trolling, all of your accounts will be subject to an immediate permanent ban. Account sharing is similarly prohibited and will be dealt with in the same way.

It doesn't seem like anyone is claiming Labor was trying to ban evade or create multiple accounts for trolling. There's no mention of anything if you had an account you later requested deleted and want to post gain. So he got insta-permed for violating a non-rule when the only recorded rules would seem to lean more towards what he was doing being allowed--registering a second account doesn't automatically get you permed, they just want you to pick one, and he'd clearly done that.

But yeah no it was a total coincidence they summoned Hecht out of bed because they discovered his duplicitousness that very second, unrelated to the fact that he might have been saying stuff that made their side look bad.

[benjipwns]

A bunch of mods begging not to be paid sure is a progressive display of the value of labor

Thanks resetera!

It's actually better than that. One mod (Pau) did want to be paid if they were going to be owned by a large(r) corporation instead of a single person they knew. The other mods undermined her in discussions so she quit.

[benjipwns]

How do we as a community reconcile funding a network of other websites that uses our content to pay for bigoted forum administration on other websites? Do we care? Should we care? I honestly dont know and would love to read how other people are rationalizing it as I also want to stay here and this topic has been a huge point of discussion for me in the past as well (Do I still buy books of authors who expressed hateful views outside of their works? Is that the exact same thing? I have honestly no clue).

I hope you're not attempting to draw some sort of comparison with J.K. Rowling with that last line lol.

Kyuuji so desperately wanted this to be a J.K. Rowling comparison that she went ahead and replied as if it was:

Maybe? I dont know. I was actually referring to Scott Orson Card, whose books I love and also made some questionable statements in the past. But the Rowling discussion is similar. You consume a product and the money supports a company/individual with values different from your own. I honestly dont know if its that much different and I never found a satisfying conclusion to that topic for me personally.

Separating the art from the artist, seems like an apt comparison at first sight to me.

So when you relate that to, say, buying a book about a child wizard from someone largely responsible for damaging the trans outlook of an entire country, endangering children, having access to healthcare, public spaces, toilets and sports threatened and legal reform scrapped, among a number of other things – it's really not in the same ballpark.

[nudemacusers]

benjipwns why are you using anti-semitic slurs in that post? seems wildly inappropriate.

[benjipwns]

The MTG community is just perpetually miserable, somehow moreso than the WoW community. There's just a massive swarm of people that are angry all of the time and absolutely lose it at people that don't treat the game or creators with pure contempt. There being layers and layers of splintering shouldn't be surprising.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

You know, since he said "As a rule" I went and looked at the rules to see if there was anything about alt accounts in specific.e

One Account Only

Each user is allowed only one account. If you are found to have created multiple accounts out of benign misunderstanding, you will generally be asked to pick one and the others will be closed. If you are found to have created multiple accounts in bad faith, such as for ban evasion or trolling, all of your accounts will be subject to an immediate permanent ban. Account sharing is similarly prohibited and will be dealt with in the same way.

It doesn't seem like anyone is claiming Labor was trying to ban evade or create multiple accounts for trolling. There's no mention of anything if you had an account you later requested deleted and want to post gain. So he got insta-permed for violating a non-rule when the only recorded rules would seem to lean more towards what he was doing being allowed--registering a second account doesn't automatically get you permed, they just want you to pick one, and he'd clearly done that.

But yeah no it was a total coincidence they summoned Hecht out of bed because they discovered his duplicitousness that very second, unrelated to the fact that he might have been saying stuff that made their side look bad.

also obviously doesn't count for Distinguished Posters, like when MiraculousSwidge gets witless protection because they were fucking an admin, or when 2B came back as TuBee or BronsonLee came back as Dipshit McFuckface because they used to be mods