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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4980 on: October 18, 2021, 11:55:23 AM »
Unless B-Dubs is a MOBA director, I'm not sure why anyone would listen to him. I don't even think he is salaried, isn't he just another volunteer
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4981 on: October 18, 2021, 11:56:28 AM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
That position of power doesn't mean we are obligated to always be nice. I don't get paid enough to put up with you all like that =P. If you think we should, email our new bosses to get us to shape up.

lol

Also the constructive thread has a member mad their thread got closed:
Quote from: GameChanger
I am honestly having a hard time understanding why certain threads get locked here. I made a thread about picking the lesser evil between Bush and Trump and wanted to have a serious discussion and hear people’s opinions. I even edited the poll options to make it a bit lighthearted. The thread got locked. This was the statement. “Trump and Bush are both awful, and asking people to rationalize which one is less awful isn't a discussion that will lead to anything good. As such, this thread is locked.”

Does this mean we can’t have any serious discussion comparing, evaluating, examining and assessing any number of numerous current or historical figures who are controversial or downright horrible? Rationalizing who was better or worse, why and how they were terrible, what impact they had in the world, that sort of discussion is not allowed because it’s not going to “lead to anything good”? That is incredibly vague and frankly disappointing. It seems like admins here are shying away from discussions with even a minuscule amount of controversy for the sake of preserving some sort of propped up image of a unified community here. Thou shall not voice and rationalize your opinions or demonstrate critical thinking. That’s the vibe I get sometimes. It sometime seems like drive by posts with a few words are encouraged more than meaningful discussions. I guess I’ll have to be much more careful before I decide to post another topic for discussion.
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*checks thread*

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-get-to-decide-who-will-be-america%E2%80%99s-next-president-but-you-only-have-2-choices.501930/[/URL]


This really shouldn't be hard to understand. We have plenty of controversial threads. We have plenty of threads that talk about awful things. Any old thread about Trump will highlight numerous reasons people on the forum are outright pissed off with him to put it lightly. No amount of funny polls is going to make the harm he and others have done a light subject matter. If you wanted a serious discussion your thread failed to show that from my perspective. Not everyone is going to be OK with downplaying this stuff into a hypothetical forum election game. Some members have lived experiences and some are still dealing with the aftermath and don't want to see thread that turns these serious, sensitive issues into a fight against other serious issues in a dumb forum vs scenario. "If you refuse to pick, they kill you." There are members on the forum who has actually felt threatened because of Trump enabling bigotry. Not even any warning in the thread title and just asking members to have a frankly awful hypothetical if it was taken seriously. I used Trump as a primary example but Bush isn't any better. The destabilization of the Middle East and plenty of suffering outside the US too. The harms of these figures don't necessarily apply to the same people and such a comparison will just make people vote which you are willing to sacrifice. That is not ok.

I am honestly having a hard time understanding how you thought you would get
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any serious discussion comparing, evaluating, examining and assessing any number of numerous current or historical figures who are controversial or downright horrible? Rationalizing who was better or worse, why and how they were terrible, what impact they had in the world
In the thread you made, with the OP you gave, with the title you chose.

If you don't still don't understand then maybe less thinking about why a mod had to lock your thread and some thoughts on why your thread pissed other members off.

...which kind of does actually read like anything that might be controversial will, indeed, get locked unless they can just freely ban one side.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4982 on: October 18, 2021, 11:58:09 AM »
The latest information from _________ tells me that the mods have been assured that nothing will change because cerium only transfered ownership to a clandestine company and he still remains in control of the assets from MOAB through an unrelated angel funding of *checks notes*  4.1 millions dollars.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4983 on: October 18, 2021, 12:00:45 PM »
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We represent a company as much as the other forums do.

Those forums are right wing hellholes.

If you think MOBA is about to come in here and tell us to be "nicer," I have a bridge to sell you.


Did I ever tell you about that time that anarchists don't have an ideology?

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4984 on: October 18, 2021, 12:01:42 PM »
I can't help but think if the mods or bdubz just said 'we've been told by cerium that nothing is going to change, but until we hear from the new owners we don't really know much more than you' and left it there, instead of bickering with everyone like children and organising a gay op to derail the thread this would have blown over (for now) for the most part by Saturday afternoon :neogaf

I mean, you'd assume the rational response to "And do the mods at least get a cut?" would be "Hey, thanks for the thought, but we're okay with what went down" rather than "Go fuck yourself trying to make me your paid bitch, or some shit mothafucker?"

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4985 on: October 18, 2021, 12:03:34 PM »
oh look marrec is back

I never left your heart

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4986 on: October 18, 2021, 12:04:37 PM »
I can't help but think if the mods or bdubz just said 'we've been told by cerium that nothing is going to change, but until we hear from the new owners we don't really know much more than you' and left it there, instead of bickering with everyone like children and organising a gay op to derail the thread this would have blown over (for now) for the most part by Saturday afternoon :neogaf

*bork pls edit in some hentai or whatever 4 top of the page, I'm on my work computer ;)

That's the problem with lying all the time, at a certain point the truth is never even an option you consider.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4987 on: October 18, 2021, 12:04:40 PM »
Counter Argument:

Members should be paid danger money for daring to post on Resetera, particularly when certain staff members are on the prowl.
:hesright

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4988 on: October 18, 2021, 12:06:04 PM »
What's going on with resetera

Is it Colin Powell die bitch or how dare you celebrate the death of a successful black man
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4989 on: October 18, 2021, 12:06:39 PM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
That position of power doesn't mean we are obligated to always be nice. I don't get paid enough to put up with you all like that =P. If you think we should, email our new bosses to get us to shape up.

lol

Also the constructive thread has a member mad their thread got closed:
Quote from: GameChanger
I am honestly having a hard time understanding why certain threads get locked here. I made a thread about picking the lesser evil between Bush and Trump and wanted to have a serious discussion and hear people’s opinions. I even edited the poll options to make it a bit lighthearted. The thread got locked. This was the statement. “Trump and Bush are both awful, and asking people to rationalize which one is less awful isn't a discussion that will lead to anything good. As such, this thread is locked.”

Does this mean we can’t have any serious discussion comparing, evaluating, examining and assessing any number of numerous current or historical figures who are controversial or downright horrible? Rationalizing who was better or worse, why and how they were terrible, what impact they had in the world, that sort of discussion is not allowed because it’s not going to “lead to anything good”? That is incredibly vague and frankly disappointing. It seems like admins here are shying away from discussions with even a minuscule amount of controversy for the sake of preserving some sort of propped up image of a unified community here. Thou shall not voice and rationalize your opinions or demonstrate critical thinking. That’s the vibe I get sometimes. It sometime seems like drive by posts with a few words are encouraged more than meaningful discussions. I guess I’ll have to be much more careful before I decide to post another topic for discussion.
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*checks thread*

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.resetera.com/threads/you-get-to-decide-who-will-be-america%E2%80%99s-next-president-but-you-only-have-2-choices.501930/[/URL]


This really shouldn't be hard to understand. We have plenty of controversial threads. We have plenty of threads that talk about awful things. Any old thread about Trump will highlight numerous reasons people on the forum are outright pissed off with him to put it lightly. No amount of funny polls is going to make the harm he and others have done a light subject matter. If you wanted a serious discussion your thread failed to show that from my perspective. Not everyone is going to be OK with downplaying this stuff into a hypothetical forum election game. Some members have lived experiences and some are still dealing with the aftermath and don't want to see thread that turns these serious, sensitive issues into a fight against other serious issues in a dumb forum vs scenario. "If you refuse to pick, they kill you." There are members on the forum who has actually felt threatened because of Trump enabling bigotry. Not even any warning in the thread title and just asking members to have a frankly awful hypothetical if it was taken seriously. I used Trump as a primary example but Bush isn't any better. The destabilization of the Middle East and plenty of suffering outside the US too. The harms of these figures don't necessarily apply to the same people and such a comparison will just make people vote which you are willing to sacrifice. That is not ok.

I am honestly having a hard time understanding how you thought you would get
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any serious discussion comparing, evaluating, examining and assessing any number of numerous current or historical figures who are controversial or downright horrible? Rationalizing who was better or worse, why and how they were terrible, what impact they had in the world
In the thread you made, with the OP you gave, with the title you chose.

If you don't still don't understand then maybe less thinking about why a mod had to lock your thread and some thoughts on why your thread pissed other members off.

...which kind of does actually read like anything that might be controversial will, indeed, get locked unless they can just freely ban one side.

that's exactly what that mouth breather is saying lol. you can justify shutting down literally any discussion because MY LIVED EXPERIENCES!

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4990 on: October 18, 2021, 12:11:11 PM »
that's exactly what that mouth breather is saying lol. you can justify shutting down literally any discussion because MY LIVED EXPERIENCES!

and also MY ANXIETIES ABOUT POTENTIAL EXPERIENCES

ShutUp

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4991 on: October 18, 2021, 12:17:58 PM »
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We give out respectful responses to the people who are respectful in turn. Plenty of members have received courteous responses to the questions we can answer, and have thanked us for it.

The ones who haven't should think about why that is.

Answered so many questions that all the ones that actually matter still haven’t been answered.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4992 on: October 18, 2021, 12:19:05 PM »
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Y'all should wander over to your local Starbucks, treat the staff there like people have been talking to the staff here, and then see how professionally the Starbucks employees treat you. Nobody has time for this type of garbage treatment. The only people that would take this type of abuse are call center reps that are literally not allowed to hang up on a caller.

Starbucks employees are paid for their time, you idiot.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4993 on: October 18, 2021, 12:21:55 PM »
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I will admit, we cannot see 10 years into the future. There's no scientific law saying that years down the line, things cannot change. What we are saying is we have the paperwork on hand now, we've been in talks with folks, and we have the assurances that- for now- nothing will change regarding data usage and modship.


ALMOST THERE, SO CLOSE.



Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4994 on: October 18, 2021, 12:22:48 PM »
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Y'all should wander over to your local Starbucks, treat the staff there like people have been talking to the staff here, and then see how professionally the Starbucks employees treat you. Nobody has time for this type of garbage treatment. The only people that would take this type of abuse are call center reps that are literally not allowed to hang up on a caller.

Starbucks employees are paid for their time, you idiot.

Starbucks employees also aren't allowed to use a previous rude customer as justification for being shitty to every new customer walking in the door that isn't already one of their friends. It's a comparison that lines up almost not at all.

I'll never understand why they think 'You just want us paid so we're held to standards beyond just whatever we privately decide is okay' is such a gotcha. You're not actually allowed to say on-forum that you hope the new owners remove half of staff for being incompetent and incapable; 'we want staff paid since there's money for it' is just the nice way of getting at that.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4995 on: October 18, 2021, 12:24:33 PM »
This reminds me of that movie with michael cera where spiderman breaks into his office and smashes his laptop for their shares dimishing.


Except in this case it was mysterio and there was no actual paperwork.


"I thought they were my lawyers :crocodile tears"

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4996 on: October 18, 2021, 12:24:45 PM »
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Y'all should wander over to your local Starbucks, treat the staff there like people have been talking to the staff here, and then see how professionally the Starbucks employees treat you. Nobody has time for this type of garbage treatment. The only people that would take this type of abuse are call center reps that are literally not allowed to hang up on a caller.

Starbucks employees are paid for their time, you idiot.

Also... this analogy leaves out quite a bit of context. Like if the Starbucks in question was also the site of a local Japanese Sales Chart Enthusiast meet up and an employee of that Starbucks arbitrarily banned half that group while shit-talking the other half.

If they want this analogy to hold any water at all they have to be staff first.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4997 on: October 18, 2021, 12:25:54 PM »
The latest information from _________ tells me that the mods have been assured that nothing will change because cerium only transfered ownership to a clandestine company and he still remains in control of the assets from MOAB through an unrelated angel funding of *checks notes*  4.1 millions dollars.

this is a publicly traded company, listed on a (minor) swedish exchange

if the thing you just made up was true, we'd already know it because it would be public information  :lol

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4998 on: October 18, 2021, 12:26:51 PM »
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Y'all should wander over to your local Starbucks, treat the staff there like people have been talking to the staff here, and then see how professionally the Starbucks employees treat you. Nobody has time for this type of garbage treatment. The only people that would take this type of abuse are call center reps that are literally not allowed to hang up on a caller.

Starbucks employees are paid for their time, you idiot.

Starbucks employees also aren't allowed to use a previous rude customer as justification for being shitty to every new customer walking in the door that isn't already one of their friends. It's a comparison that lines up almost not at all.

I'll never understand why they think 'You just want us paid so we're held to standards beyond just whatever we privately decide is okay' is such a gotcha. You're not actually allowed to say on-forum that you hope the new owners remove half of staff for being incompetent and incapable; 'we want staff paid since there's money for it' is just the nice way of getting at that.

Are you allowed to be shitty to a customer if they're a cracker?

Asking for a friend.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #4999 on: October 18, 2021, 12:27:03 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-133#post-75449544

Quote from: FeD
I don't get why you keep ignoring me when I'm trying to help here and point out that one of their owned subsidiaries under which the majority of their community websites fall does sell user data through a loophole.

Like I don't get how you keep saying they are not in the data selling business when the facts are that they literally are through one of their subsidiaries. Like yes, M.O.B.A Network AB does not sell user data. But CMI Marketing Inc through a partnership with Magic Find Inc, which is owned by M.O.B.A Network AB DOES sell user data.

Like you could have said, we've been told that they aren't selling user data, however this fact involving a subsidiary wasn't known to us and we will discuss it with M.O.B.A Network AB and get back to you.

Again for someone saying they're not in the business of selling user data they quite literally are.
OBE

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5000 on: October 18, 2021, 12:28:25 PM »
Oh also got the mod bootlickers calling the userbase with concerns Karens now. And Nep Nep laughing at it. She’s totally respectful to the community though.

I mean look at this bootlicking nonsense from a non moderator, Veelk, who is totally not mad someone wasn’t thrilled with the Karen bullshit, which doesn’t even make sense in the context of the thread

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I don't think, "I'll thank you to not just make random threads when you don't actually know anything." is even particularly rude, personally, it's like the slightest hint a rebuff in it, and certainly not worth making a stink over it. I've made comments like this as a server when people made a rude remark and I've yet to get in trouble over it nor even have it significantly impact my tipping. Most people just go "oh, yeah, I was slightly rude there" and move on.

But to your general point, no, I don't think after the thread this has been and the things I've seen that I can assume good faith on every seemingly innocuous interaction and I care little for tone policing. I called someone a Karen as a joke because I thought they are being overly dramatic about the unprofessionalism of a nonprofessional person over a faux pass so minor I could get away with it at my job.

If the person in question is operating in 100% good faith, then they can take a little ribbing and get used to the idea that, no, this is not a professional environment, no, the mods do not have an obligation to be unconditionally respectful without a hint of reproach to any poster without even a hint of sardonicism, and no, I especially don't have to do that because not only am I not a professional, I'm not even a mod and I won't ever be one. I'm just a regular poster, part of the community, and I like to shitpost where the absurdity of the situation warrants it.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5001 on: October 18, 2021, 12:29:35 PM »
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Y'all should wander over to your local Starbucks, treat the staff there like people have been talking to the staff here, and then see how professionally the Starbucks employees treat you. Nobody has time for this type of garbage treatment. The only people that would take this type of abuse are call center reps that are literally not allowed to hang up on a caller.

Starbucks employees are paid for their time, you idiot.

Also... this analogy leaves out quite a bit of context. Like if the Starbucks in question was also the site of a local Japanese Sales Chart Enthusiast meet up and an employee of that Starbucks arbitrarily banned half that group while shit-talking the other half.

If they want this analogy to hold any water at all they have to be staff first.

i've never been to a starbucks but i'm pretty sure the employees can't tell all the yt customers that they're fragile crackers who needs to get to the back of the line and wait until all the poc's are served  :lol


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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5002 on: October 18, 2021, 12:29:57 PM »
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Y'all should wander over to your local Starbucks, treat the staff there like people have been talking to the staff here, and then see how professionally the Starbucks employees treat you. Nobody has time for this type of garbage treatment. The only people that would take this type of abuse are call center reps that are literally not allowed to hang up on a caller.

Starbucks employees are paid for their time, you idiot.

Starbucks employees also aren't allowed to use a previous rude customer as justification for being shitty to every new customer walking in the door that isn't already one of their friends. It's a comparison that lines up almost not at all.

I'll never understand why they think 'You just want us paid so we're held to standards beyond just whatever we privately decide is okay' is such a gotcha. You're not actually allowed to say on-forum that you hope the new owners remove half of staff for being incompetent and incapable; 'we want staff paid since there's money for it' is just the nice way of getting at that.

Are they allowed to be shitty to a customer if they're a cracker?

Asking for a friend.

I mean... part of the reason Volunteer mods are greats is because they aren't anything but customers with power. MOBA has no accountability when it comes to the stupid shit Mods say because they aren't representatives of the company as far as I can see.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5003 on: October 18, 2021, 12:31:25 PM »
It’s right back to the petty bans and name calling the community of the site, who are ON THE MODS SIDE when it comes to thinking the mods getting zilch out of that $4.5 million is pretty messed up.

This is brainwashing on quite the impressive level  :lol

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5004 on: October 18, 2021, 12:31:55 PM »
It remains absolutely hilarious that the mods are parked in that thread. I have never seen so many mods and admins posting in that part of the forum ever.

Also delightful that they 'prefer' to keep news of this to that section of the forum only. A section most users do not go to. Pretty shoddy but expected behaviour from them.

Scared they'll lose their current petty power they have to silence 'dissenters'

Also threadbanning people who are getting under their skin is absolutely pathetic. As is going back later and quietly banning people calling out their shit.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5005 on: October 18, 2021, 12:32:37 PM »
oh look marrec is back

I never left your heart

Marrec is the atherosclerosis of the bore’s heart  :corona_rodney

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5006 on: October 18, 2021, 12:36:24 PM »
oh look marrec is back

I never left your heart

Marrec is the atherosclerosis of the bore’s heart  :corona_rodney

In that you love consuming my content but it's unhealthy for you in the long term, I accept this compliment.

ShutUp

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5007 on: October 18, 2021, 12:38:37 PM »
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That position of power doesn't mean we are obligated to always be nice. I don't get paid enough to put up with you all like that =P. If you think we should, email our new bosses to get us to shape up.

You are never nice. Also, I thought you were paid nothing and were fine with it. What’s this “paid enough” all of a sudden?

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5008 on: October 18, 2021, 12:39:52 PM »
I think theyre right that MOBA is going to be hands off.

If I dropped 4.5 million on something, I would be looking at it very closely. If I saw the person representing my company acting the way Nep is in the official thread, theyd be banned immediately and my PR folks would have a statement written up about how my beloved community shouldn't be treated that way and steps would be taken to ensure the community always comes first.

But theyre not.

Benji/Nintex is right. MOBA is some kind of front for Ukranian drug running or whatever



:O

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5009 on: October 18, 2021, 12:40:21 PM »
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We represent a company as much as the other forums do.

Those forums are right wing hellholes.

If you think MOBA is about to come in here and tell us to be "nicer," I have a bridge to sell you.

You poor thing. It’s adorable you think you have any say in the matter. The site is their property now, they can and at some point probably will come in and tell you to be nicer or you’ll be removed from the moderator team.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5010 on: October 18, 2021, 12:43:00 PM »
I think theyre right that MOBA is going to be hands off.

If I dropped 4.5 million on something, I would be looking at it very closely. If I saw the person representing my company acting the way Nep is in the official thread, theyd be banned immediately and my PR folks would have a statement written up about how my beloved community shouldn't be treated that way and steps would be taken to ensure the community always comes first.

But theyre not.

Benji/Nintex is right. MOBA is some kind of front for Ukranian drug running or whatever

A respected bore insider told me they’re a front for a Colombian sex trafficking ring.
Margs

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5011 on: October 18, 2021, 12:46:05 PM »
The Mods didn't hedge any statement about data selling until Nep's post well after we posted about them being more truthful about it, so I think MOBA owes us some PR consultancy fees.

ShutUp

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5012 on: October 18, 2021, 12:48:38 PM »
The whole cracker thing on there being boiled down to “stop being offended cracker, WHITE FRAGILITY” and hand waved away is just beyond messed up  :lol that portion of the thread was legitimately a reverse Stormfront moment

So of course the ones that started it on Era blame others for finding it weird and not at all cool.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5013 on: October 18, 2021, 12:48:54 PM »
if era ever denied your account deletion request before, they seem to be honoring it now.

Era Staff right now
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5014 on: October 18, 2021, 12:52:17 PM »
I wish I knew more about GDPR so I'd know whatever mods used to verify the Labor situation would count as violating his prior request for deletion. Like, they weren't subject to those issues at the time, but could someone use GDPR to make it impossible for mods to maintain enough data on their old accounts to realize the new one they just registered is an alt? Mods aren't even staff of the company that owns the data; are they allowed to maintain what's basically a third-party dataset of user information for their own practices?

The whole cracker thing on there being boiled down to “stop being offended cracker, WHITE FRAGILITY” and hand waved away is just beyond messed up  :lol that portion of the thread was legitimately a reverse Stormfront moment

So of course the ones that started it on Era blame others for finding it weird and not at all cool.

I'm still surprised the one user managed to write it all off as hypersensitive whites or people 'light enough to pass' and it didn't turn into more of a thing--but I guess it validates them treating the communities like monoliths when they can just excommunicate anyone who deviates from the party line for not being ____ enough.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5015 on: October 18, 2021, 01:13:01 PM »
I wish I knew more about GDPR so I'd know whatever mods used to verify the Labor situation would count as violating his prior request for deletion. Like, they weren't subject to those issues at the time, but could someone use GDPR to make it impossible for mods to maintain enough data on their old accounts to realize the new one they just registered is an alt? Mods aren't even staff of the company that owns the data; are they allowed to maintain what's basically a third-party dataset of user information for their own practices?

Like most laws, the extent to which they have to be obeyed doesn't really exist until challenged in court and precedent is decided.

Having said that, undeleting peoples copyrighted works is straight fucked, irrespective of GDPR. Peoples independent work - even if thats just a review of a retro game or whatever - is automatic on creation, and isn't waived by agreeing to a TOS. If someone has spent time creating an OT, its their copyright, and they have the say in how its ultimately used, and if they do not want era continuing t use it, they fucking can't.

Like, there are zero scenarios where you're not the asshole if the creator of a work explicitly says they don't want you using it and you tell them to fuck off and go ahead anyway.
You'd assume a site obsessed with the ideas of 'punching down' and 'power structures' would be aware telling the creator to go piss up a rope because a bunch of people want something different and decide its now theirs due to weight of numbers extends into uncomfortable territory for, say, minority creators.

ShutUp

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5016 on: October 18, 2021, 01:15:20 PM »
Nep Nep now trying to play it cool and act like she doesn’t care, as she waits  for at least a few pages to go by  and then comes back to ban the person she said “I don’t care lmao” to. Ms. Petty who went back and restored posts of someone who explicitly stated they didnt want them restored.


Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5017 on: October 18, 2021, 01:18:21 PM »
marrec

cerram

cerium

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5018 on: October 18, 2021, 01:21:22 PM »
shit the jig is up

BisMarckie

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5019 on: October 18, 2021, 01:24:19 PM »
Give me 50k or I‘ll rescind every like I ever gave to you

james

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5020 on: October 18, 2021, 01:26:34 PM »
Give me 50k and Ill go through your entire post history and like them all.

And give you James Fund dividends
:O

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5021 on: October 18, 2021, 01:26:57 PM »
Give me 50k or I‘ll rescind every like I ever gave to you

I spent it all on squid porn I have a serious problem  :fbm

Risible

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5022 on: October 18, 2021, 01:27:36 PM »
NGL, at least once a year I examine why I follow the ERA/GAF drama and wonder what it says about me that I just don't let it go and stop checking out this thread every day while on the shitter.  It's unseemly and probably says more about me than it does about Ree or Gaf.  I was more lurker than anything on GAF (although I posted a decent amount in the earlier days when it was normal and I had more free time) but once it went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow I posted far less.  When they migrated to Ree I hung back to see how it went and lo and behold it got even worse, amazingly enough.  There was enough drama that it was like watching a soap opera for spergs like me so I never gave up the habit.

This past week has erased any doubt in my mind as to whether or not I  should ever stop following the saga.  Tolkein and Martin WISH they could write shit this good.  And the best part is...THE BEST PART IS STILL COMING. 

Will the new overlords start to enact draconian policies?  Will they open registration to free email addresses?  Will they remove/add mods?  Will the user base revolt yet again?  Will we get some sort of financial details leak?  Were the mods secretly paid while claiming they got nothing?  WHO THE FUCK KNOWS.  ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.  IT'S SO FUCKING MAGICAL.

Thank you Demi and the Bire for keeping this thread going, what a fucking true goldmine it has been, and I mean that genuinely, the amount of free entertainment I have gotten from this thread over the last eight years is mind-boggling

demi

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5023 on: October 18, 2021, 01:30:40 PM »
You're welcome, fat boy
fat

Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5024 on: October 18, 2021, 01:31:17 PM »
Apparently Nepenthe thread marked something that has since been unthreadmarked:
Quote from: FeD
There was a post threadmarked not too long ago that had that information. I want to thank Nepenthe for seeing the value in it and threadmarked it. But someone has since removed it:

(Image removed from quote.)

In the post I only source factual information, taken from the privacy policy of Era, the privacy policy of the subsidiary of M.O.B.A Network AB that owns the majority of community sites they own, and I found out another privacy policy that supersedes that one that makes it clear the are selling user data through a loophole.

I'm just trying to help here but B-Dubs keeps saying that they are not in the business of selling user data, when they literally are. So either they weren't honest with Cerium, which now causes B-Dubs to spread misinformation. They don't know that there's a loophole in the privacy policy of one of their subsidiaries. Cerium did know but didn't disclose it to B-Dubs.

At the end of the day there's a loophole in the privacy policy of one of the wholly owned subsidiaries of M.O.B.A Network AB that does sell user data. The only thing I want is that it gets looked at, I'm just trying to help here. I also just gave general options, some that are literally mentioned in the terms of Resetera as a way for the community to protect their data.

I'm genuinely baffled at the way it's been handled by B-Dubs and I don't understand it. I just want an answer for how that works, because it's something I find very, very important.

BisMarckie

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5025 on: October 18, 2021, 01:35:43 PM »
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You seem to be under the impression the forum is required to delete user posts under GDPR, which is not the case. GDPR outlines the following exceptions under Article 17:

for exercising the right of freedom of expression and information;
for compliance with a legal obligation which requires processing by Union or Member State law to which the controller is subject or for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of official authority vested in the controller;
for reasons of public interest in the area of public health in accordance with points (h) and (i) of Article 9(2) as well as Article 9(3);
for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes in accordance with Article 89(1) in so far as the right referred to in paragraph 1 is likely to render impossible or seriously impair the achievement of the objectives of that processing; or
for the establishment, exercise or defence of legal claims.

Between #1 and #4, forum posts are not required to be deleted under GDPR.

Finale Fireworker quotes Article 17 in a well akchually kind of way and manages to fuck even that up by quoting the exemptions. :rejoice

BisMarckie

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5026 on: October 18, 2021, 01:41:52 PM »
Give me 50k or I‘ll rescind every like I ever gave to you

I spent it all on squid porn I have a serious problem  :fbm

Invest in the james fund and you‘ll make that money back in no time. Plus all the barely legal Splatoon porn fresh from deviantart.  #ad

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5027 on: October 18, 2021, 01:49:26 PM »
Give me 50k or I‘ll rescind every like I ever gave to you

I spent it all on squid porn I have a serious problem  :fbm

Invest in the james fund and you‘ll make that money back in no time. Plus all the barely legal Splatoon porn fresh from deviantart.  #ad

Ya see ERA, this is the kind of targeted advertisement you can look forward too if you just let people sell your data.

joeboy101

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5028 on: October 18, 2021, 01:57:03 PM »
I’ve been quiet, but only because I’ve been in the forum drama equivalent of a food coma. I’ve had my belt unbuckled all weekend and still feel wonderfully bloated. The dishes just keep coming and are Soooo tasty.

In other sick burn news:

Quote from: VanMardigan
Quote
Nepenthe said:
We represent a company as much as the other forums do.

Those forums are right wing hellholes.

If you think MOBA is about to come in here and tell us to be "nicer," I have a bridge to sell you.

Does it look like the bridge you bought when you started moderating for free on a community oriented forum before you realized that you were actually just building value for one person to actualize?

 :neogaf :aah :sabu

10centtacos

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5029 on: October 18, 2021, 01:57:12 PM »


Check out this cornball  :heh

Tuckers Law

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5030 on: October 18, 2021, 01:57:18 PM »
This window of time is a prime opportunity for EviLore to try and regain some members lost.  All he needs to do is make it know GAF is very GDPR compliant, and also remind returning users that there’s only one of him on GAF, while ReeEra has multiple staff members that are all thin-skinned egomaniacal assholes.

joeboy101

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5031 on: October 18, 2021, 01:59:33 PM »
Oh Gawddamn!

Quote from: VanMardigan
Quote
Nepenthe said:
You keep acting like I care lmfao
I wish you did. It is what it is. I'm moving on.

 :preach :respect

james

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5032 on: October 18, 2021, 02:01:33 PM »
This window of time is a prime opportunity for EviLore to try and regain some members lost.  All he needs to do is make it know GAF is very GDPR compliant, and also remind returning users that there’s only one of him on GAF, while ReeEra has multiple staff members that are all thin-skinned egomaniacal assholes.

When it comes to being a thin-skinned egomaniacal asshole, Shower Elf is worth at least 100 resetera mods.

He is the pinnacle of thin-skinned egomaniacal asshole. That is his achievement on this earth. The perfect specimen.
:O

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5033 on: October 18, 2021, 02:02:44 PM »
This window of time is a prime opportunity for EviLore to try and regain some members lost.  All he needs to do is make it know GAF is very GDPR compliant, and also remind returning users that there’s only one of him on GAF, while ReeEra has multiple staff members that are all thin-skinned egomaniacal assholes.

I know era has A LOT of staff, and they do all seem to be thin skinned egomaniacal assholes, but I still don't know if adding them all together equates to KING thin skinned egomaniacal asshole himself

e: yeah, what James said

joeboy101

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5034 on: October 18, 2021, 02:05:16 PM »
This window of time is a prime opportunity for EviLore to try and regain some members lost.  All he needs to do is make it know GAF is very GDPR compliant, and also remind returning users that there’s only one of him on GAF, while ReeEra has multiple staff members that are all thin-skinned egomaniacal assholes.

I know era has A LOT of staff, and they do all seem to be thin skinned egomaniacal assholes, but I still don't know if adding them all together equates to KING thin skinned egomaniacal asshole himself

e: yeah, what James said

True, but it is a question of capacity. Lore can only be so many places at once, and coupling that with him crying in a corner over his monthly financial statements, it will be even less time given to the ‘moderating’.

That said, I wouldn’t go back to that shithole for the phattest of asses.

Tuckers Law

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5035 on: October 18, 2021, 02:05:42 PM »
You got me there

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5036 on: October 18, 2021, 02:13:52 PM »
Quote
I will admit, we cannot see 10 years into the future. There's no scientific law saying that years down the line, things cannot change. What we are saying is we have the paperwork on hand now, we've been in talks with folks, and we have the assurances that- for now- nothing will change regarding data usage and modship.


ALMOST THERE, SO CLOSE.

I like how the paperwork is mentioned in the same sentence, yet what can only be inferred as verbal "assurance" is what's used to assuage the userbase and not anything contractual.  The staff took the word of a profit-maximizing venture capitalist that ran wonderful non-intrusive sites like Playhippo.com

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5037 on: October 18, 2021, 02:19:58 PM »
This window of time is a prime opportunity for EviLore to try and regain some members lost.  All he needs to do is make it know GAF is very GDPR compliant, and also remind returning users that there’s only one of him on GAF, while ReeEra has multiple staff members that are all thin-skinned egomaniacal assholes.

I know era has A LOT of staff, and they do all seem to be thin skinned egomaniacal assholes, but I still don't know if adding them all together equates to KING thin skinned egomaniacal asshole himself

e: yeah, what James said

True, but it is a question of capacity. Lore can only be so many places at once, and coupling that with him crying in a corner over his monthly financial statements, it will be even less time given to the ‘moderating’.

That said, I wouldn’t go back to that shithole for the phattest of asses.

Hes got that Bill o Rights guy, who is either paid support, or an alt of his because they act very very similarly
:O

Tuckers Law

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5038 on: October 18, 2021, 02:31:01 PM »
Maybe it’s both and Lore became a system.

Pissy F Benny

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5039 on: October 18, 2021, 02:42:22 PM »
what the fuck is even mobas game (other than selling data)? hope to flip their company to some vc suckers? that seems about as appealing to investors as trying to sell a chain of video rental shops like 12 years ago :heh
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