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Snoopycat_

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« Reply #7260 on: November 09, 2021, 09:31:37 AM »
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I hate that in my country, there has to be debate about trans rights. There is no debate to have, only to remove rights from people just for being true to themselves, which isn't harming anyone else at all. Ffs

They really couldn't be more obvious they're an alt. Start off on gaming. Slide over to OT to announce some weird sex hang up. Then straight into the trans threads.

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« Reply #7261 on: November 09, 2021, 10:31:56 AM »
A philosopher I admire once said:

There are no genders, only pain


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« Reply #7262 on: November 09, 2021, 10:34:59 AM »
I was quoting the gita  :neo
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« Reply #7264 on: November 09, 2021, 11:21:12 AM »
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Good on her, but still a bit annoyed by the "debate around trans rights" There is no debate, it is DONE, trans rights are human rights. Why give ground on that front?

If just one of them could explain what specific trans rights are human rights. It's an easy slogan but there seems to be zero meaning behind it. Joining the female soccer team is not a human right

Strangely you don't see any internet activists cite human rights when it comes to universal healthcare or housing the homeless.
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« Reply #7265 on: November 09, 2021, 11:23:02 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/discord-ceo-appears-to-suggest-some-sort-of-ethereum-nft-integration-in-discord-is-coming.511824/page-2#post-76692369

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Man, the crypto bros trying to sell people on the idea of NFT games are so childish it's incredible, it takes actual effort to NOT think about any single step of any single thing they're talking about. The best possible light that you can cast the NFT games stans on this forum is that they're in on the scam and just doing some astroturfing to get people in.

A bunch of libertarians trying to create fake scarcity of digital goods.
I guess crypto bros is the next chuds from that site since I see users using that now lol

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« Reply #7266 on: November 09, 2021, 11:29:07 AM »
Screenshot NFT’s to own the libs

HaughtyFrank

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« Reply #7267 on: November 09, 2021, 11:29:29 AM »
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God those replies, TERFs swarm online so god damn actively. I really wish more cis allies would actually notice the unending barrage of hate these people spew.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lorraine-kelly-emphatically-backs-trans-rights-in-tv-clash-with-anti-trans-academic-kathleen-stock.511941/

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Snoopycat_

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« Reply #7268 on: November 09, 2021, 11:31:24 AM »
Oh shit, I nearly forgot. It's 9/11.



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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7269 on: November 09, 2021, 11:37:14 AM »

benjipwns

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7270 on: November 09, 2021, 11:38:07 AM »
I can't find a simple, clear list of what 'trans rights' even means
If just one of them could explain what specific trans rights are human rights. It's an easy slogan but there seems to be zero meaning behind it.
They want it to be illegal.

What's "it"? The denial, in any form, of whatever it happens to be that they want at the moment.

They wrap it in the trans flag to give it a "minority group" gloss and to silence dissent because that's how the game is played. It has nothing to do with being trans. (They come for dissenters who are trans or pro-trans the worst.) Without the extensive LARP as an oppressed group nobody would even bother to take seriously their central demand that the only solution to everything is the criminalization of opposition to their demands. It's yet another loud authoritarian cult that claims to speak for a demographic.
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GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7271 on: November 09, 2021, 11:41:20 AM »
Strangely you don't see any internet activists cite human rights when it comes to universal healthcare or housing the homeless.

Or people they dislikes right to speak opinions they disagree with, politicians rights to go about their outside-life without being heckled, protested and demonstrated at, groups they disapprove ofs right to peaceful protest without being 'counter protested', an accused persons right to face an accuser, etc etc etc

benjipwns

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« Reply #7272 on: November 09, 2021, 11:46:29 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/streamer-asmongolds-mother-passed-away-a-week-ago-and-he-talks-about-what-happened.510309/page-3#post-76500480
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People like you are the reason it is so fucking awful discussing the impact bigotry like Asmongolds has had on us.

I am replying to people who respond to me directly, like you. If you have proof this person has changed, share it, it should be very easy for you to understand why the people he directly said hateful shit about would not take that on the word of random strangers online.

The fact that you think this is the place to do that shows how little class or tact you possess. Make a new thread about his bigotry to balance it out stop taking this one off-topic. I'm guessing you won't because you know you will get responses here.
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A while back there was a somewhat esoteric internet controversy involving Erik Kain, a video game and TV writer at Forbes. One day, a social-justice-oriented Twitter figure with a bit of a following accused Kain of being “one of the original founding members of the alt-right,”

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What was fascinating to me was what happened next. A bunch of people popped up on Twitter to denounce Kain, but none of them responded to the actual claim that had sparked the fracas. Rather, they exhumed and recirculated all sorts of old gripes and grievances, many of them related to their belief that Kain hadn’t been sufficiently critical of GamerGate in his coverage of it (for what it’s worth, in a Twitter-direct-message conversation Kain said that he felt that that was more or less a fair criticism with regard to one early article he wrote on the subject). Soon the conversation had nothing to do with whether Kain was, in fact, a founding member of the alt-right. Rather, the participants seemed to be responding to a different question, posed implicitly: Is Erik Kain Good or Bad? For those deeply invested in this controversy, it appeared to be quite important to yell — well, to tweet, at least — Erik Kain is Bad!!!!!

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During the heat of the Kain blowup, any member of the anti-Kain social-justice-oriented cohort who had said “Really, guys? Come on…” would have immediately been dogpiled. “You’re defending Kain?” the dogpilers would have asked. Or: “So I guess you’re a GamerGate sympathizer now?” This isn’t normal behavior in real life, but on Twitter it definitely is.

If you’re in a group in which rightside norms prevail, you face a weird set of incentives:

1) It will often harm your group standing to point out that a false claim is false

2) It will often benefit your group standing to pile on a figure who has been unfairly accused of something by broadcasting evidence pertaining not to the claim in question, but to his or her broader (ostensible) moral worthlessness

3) It will often benefit your group standing to punish those who seek to debunk false claims against ‘bad’ figures

Imagine experiencing all this over and over, outrage after outrage. Because every day there’s a new outrage that must be responded to — whaddya gonna do, sit on the sidelines? You can see how in the long run, especially among people who spend too much time online — that is, exactly the sorts of people who become deeply involved in third-tier internet controversies like Kainghazi — this could skew one’s approach to understanding the world, weighing evidence, and so on.

SmokyDave

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7273 on: November 09, 2021, 11:58:31 AM »
Phew, I'm sure this thread will soon be full of helpful, clear information that will no doubt answer my questions.

Which is good, because the 'trans debate' is starting to feel like someone kicking in my front door and then screaming "WHY WON'T YOU LET ME LIVE MY LIFE" in my face whilst I stare blankly over the top of my book.

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« Reply #7274 on: November 09, 2021, 12:04:02 PM »
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right-wing elements here are using trans issues in particular as their latest weapon in the "culture wars" they create and exploit.

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« Reply #7275 on: November 09, 2021, 12:08:33 PM »
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When people talk shit about the UK they should really say England. More often than not Scotland has completely different (and better) views on big political issues.
Imagine coming into a thread about a Scottish TERF to try to say this is just an English problem.
Imagine thinking a few people represents an entire countries mostly liberal views.

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« Reply #7276 on: November 09, 2021, 12:20:53 PM »
The irony is that no one really cared about trans issues one way or another because there are so few trans people and they mostly live in the most decadent and wealthy NATO areas, where they can get whatever procedure they want.

They were basically on the train to more acceptance with gay (i.e. non-binary) people and their struggle for the right to marry and whatnot.
But by behaving like insufferable cunts and picking fights with everyone, from Harry Potter fans to football managers and Dave Chapelle a vocal minority has made damn well sure that acceptance is a long way off.

It all seems to come down to their lack of ability to understand that the entire world does not revolve around them personally and their identity.
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Snoopycat_

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« Reply #7277 on: November 09, 2021, 12:21:09 PM »
I'm sure all the trans activists just accidentally wandered onto Neogaf

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« Reply #7278 on: November 09, 2021, 12:24:32 PM »
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/lorraine-kelly-emphatically-backs-trans-rights-in-tv-clash-with-anti-trans-academic-kathleen-stock.511941/

    Pretty amusing people on era think pinknews is a solid news source if you watch the clip provided then read the TERF DESTROYED USING FACTS AND LOGIC style write up from them, and the posts going YAAASSS QUEEN LORRAINE when she straight up says its a good thing that they can have a fucking conversation
    Fuck me, yet more time wasted on this shit. I can't find a simple, clear list of what 'trans rights' even means, and yet it seems like it's the most important issue of our fucking times that must be discussed to death every farts end, even though nobody is actually saying anything.

    Everyone's being played. Having pointless fights over made up claims from fictional people to while away the hours until the future becomes too ugly to hide from.

    the only unique new trans rights I can think of are

    • it being socially acceptable and not a crime to use whatever bathroom you want
    • ease of availability of transitioning drugs, though I don't know if anyone has a "right" to a product unless it's a gov funded utility

    everything else is rights people already have as humans and it would take a lot to convince me they're genuinely under attack

    • the right to not get murdered for any reason, up to and including if a partner is surprised to discover you have a dick
    • the right to the pursuit of personal happiness, which does not mean you can impose upon others that they have to make your pursuit easy
    • no one has a right NOT to be called any given hurtful thing, whether it's "he" or "fuckface" or "karen," because it's just words; this doesn't mean it should be socially acceptable to be hurtful, but it has nothing to do with rights
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    I think many legit want it to be illegal to do that.

    Something that makes this tricky is there's a legit mental health aspect here.  It's obvious why there would be, but it's not something that's anywhere near as pronounced in other marginalized groups.  In the US, normal-ass white people are the race with the highest suicide rate (outside of Native Americans, but they never enter the conversation for some reason unless it's about sports team names or Rick Santorum). 

    People have tried to cut down on offensive humor and statements directed at most marginalized groups, but the fight for progress was usually elsewhere (not getting killed by cops, making the communities not shit, etc).  While that's still true to some extent for trans people (bathrooms, sports), the issues are more internal than external.  Not using the bathroom of your preferred gender makes you feel bad, it's not someone coming at you with a knife or a gun because of the color of your skin or your genetic heritage.

    Even if trans people had all the legal rights and protections of other groups in addition to the ones unique to them, there would still be a major mental health aspect to it just due to it being an internal identity based group, and the suicide rate would unfortunately remain high probably. 


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    « Reply #7279 on: November 09, 2021, 12:41:34 PM »
    Personally I hope that someday it's discovered what causes gender dysphoria during prenatal development so that that can be prevented. I'm not sure if that makes me a bigot. Probably.

    HardcoreRetro

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    « Reply #7280 on: November 09, 2021, 12:48:27 PM »
    What seemingly causes gender "dysphoria" is being autistic and watching a bunch of shitty youtube videos and then diagnosing yourself. I feel bad for the people actually suffering from dysphoria.

    ToxicAdam

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    « Reply #7281 on: November 09, 2021, 12:50:16 PM »
    That’s what people used to say about gay people, so it’s probably in the ballpark of ignorance and bigotry.

    I say let people find love and acceptance in the way they want and leave them alone. Pretty easy to do.

    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7282 on: November 09, 2021, 01:00:55 PM »
    Personally I hope that someday it's discovered what causes gender dysphoria during prenatal development so that that can be prevented. I'm not sure if that makes me a bigot. Probably.
    What seemingly causes gender "dysphoria" is being autistic and watching a bunch of shitty youtube videos and then diagnosing yourself. I feel bad for the people actually suffering from dysphoria.
    This is right-wing eliminationist rhetoric.
    Are we talking about sex or gender? Nobody knows, nobody cares, everyone just wants to fight.
    This is one of the more amusing aspects of the debate. Progressives have been quite successful to get people to accept that gender is a bit of a spectrum and that gender non-conformity is not bad. Sex is different and is based on science. This was the old fight. It is now TERF bigotry.

    A large number of prominent trans activists and their allies don't like this anymore. Instead they want gender to be hardcoded binary standards based on stereotypes and sex to be redefined as a spectrum that's based entirely on your own identity. To them a boy that likes Barbie's is proof he's a trans girl whose egg needs to be cracked and his sex should be treated as fluid and therefore subject to permanent medical intervention. They constantly promote binary gender stereotypes as not just legitimate but scientifically proven.

    Another segment of progressive wants everything to be subject to identity. If you identify as it, you are it, end of. Anyone who doesn't accept it is a violent bigot violating your human rights. At the same time though they often impose harsh standards on what it means to identify as something so they can write you out of the group when you cross them.

    It's not hard to think of it as a trap based on Schrodinger's logic because many of these people use it exactly in that way. The only consistent point is their using it to bully people into giving them power.

    Kyuuji and astro would be insufferable authoritarian assholes even if they weren't trans, "being trans" is the just the specific hook they currently are using to be that way.
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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7283 on: November 09, 2021, 01:10:58 PM »
    That’s what people used to say about gay people, so it’s probably in the ballpark of ignorance and bigotry.

    I say let people find love and acceptance in the way they want and leave them alone. Pretty easy to do.

    Comparing the two never made sense to me. Being gay doesn't compel people to undergo surgery or drug regimes to avoid anguish. In an ideal world trans people would be born in the correct bodies to start with, SRS is just the best provisional option.

    If being trans isn't a problem, it shouldn't be covered by healthcare. You can't have your cake and eat it too. So I choose to believe it is a problem, and that it should be covered.

    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7284 on: November 09, 2021, 01:18:12 PM »
    Even if trans people had all the legal rights and protections of other groups in addition to the ones unique to them, there would still be a major mental health aspect to it just due to it being an internal identity based group, and the suicide rate would unfortunately remain high probably. 
    Being trans isn't an instance of mental illness. Gender dysphoria is the recognized mental illness. You can be trans without dysphoria and vice versa. There's nothing wrong with being trans or not being trans, but neither is a medical condition people should seek medical help to address.

    Of course certain trans groups believe this kind of statement to be the promotion of literal genocide.

    clothedmacuser

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    « Reply #7285 on: November 09, 2021, 01:19:29 PM »
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/lorraine-kelly-emphatically-backs-trans-rights-in-tv-clash-with-anti-trans-academic-kathleen-stock.511941/

    Pretty amusing people on era think pinknews is a solid news source if you watch the clip provided then read the TERF DESTROYED USING FACTS AND LOGIC style write up from them, and the posts going YAAASSS QUEEN LORRAINE when she straight up says its a good thing that they can have a fucking conversation
    Fuck me, yet more time wasted on this shit. I can't find a simple, clear list of what 'trans rights' even means, and yet it seems like it's the most important issue of our fucking times that must be discussed to death every farts end, even though nobody is actually saying anything.

    Everyone's being played. Having pointless fights over made up claims from fictional people to while away the hours until the future becomes too ugly to hide from.

    Uh, trans rights are human rights.

     :hmph


    Unlike blind people rights, furry rights, pescatarian rights, non citizen rights.   Wait, those are all human.  So they all have human rights. 

    uh. 

    Trans rights are human rights!
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    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7286 on: November 09, 2021, 01:24:13 PM »
    If being trans isn't a problem, it shouldn't be covered by healthcare.
    This is the one thing they are consistent about as a "trans right" actually. They want trans healthcare to be paid for by someone else under all circumstances. This includes when it's entirely cosmetic and not medically necessary. Claiming dysphoria is the way in the current system to achieve this result by getting it labeled as medically necessary, so people who are merely trans do it.

    Nintex

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    « Reply #7287 on: November 09, 2021, 01:34:48 PM »
    Even if trans people had all the legal rights and protections of other groups in addition to the ones unique to them, there would still be a major mental health aspect to it just due to it being an internal identity based group, and the suicide rate would unfortunately remain high probably. 
    Being trans isn't an instance of mental illness. Gender dysphoria is the recognized mental illness. You can be trans without dysphoria and vice versa. There's nothing wrong with being trans or not being trans, but neither is a medical condition people should seek medical help to address.

    Of course certain trans groups believe this kind of statement to be the promotion of literal genocide.
    The problem for the trans people is that if it is not classified a medical or mental condition, they wouldn't be able to fund their procedures and therapy with insurance.
    If my doctor could explain that riding bikes is a medical or mental condition he could make the case that my healthcare insurance should cover it.
    Otherwise it's more like plastic surgery which is only covered in very specific conditions.

    And there in lies the dilemma, one on hand they try to make the case that it is not an illness and thus you should be able to change your gender regardless of what your doctor or psychiatrist thinks.
    On the other hand they want their insurance to pay for it because it is a 'human right'.
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    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7288 on: November 09, 2021, 01:34:59 PM »
    User Banned (1 Day): Spreading Vaccine Misinformation

    If he’s taking doctor prescribed ivermectin I don’t see what the big deal is?

    edit: Lol you can be mad at him for all the other shit but why get mad at him for getting prescribed treatment? I know multiple people who have kicked it in a few days through multiple different treatment options. Be mad at him for not getting vaccinated but who gives a shit what he is doing to try and help kick it quicker for himself. Weird
    This is not vaccine misinformation. It may be medical misinformation but literally says nothing about vaccines.

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    « Reply #7289 on: November 09, 2021, 01:35:35 PM »
    Kyuuji and astro would be insufferable authoritarian assholes even if they weren't trans, "being trans" is the just the specific hook they currently are using to be that way.

    As an insight into how Kyuuji thinks:
    We have no voice when it comes to getting (rights) recognised, and no member of Parliament in the country for representation of our struggle.

    Which is fucking nonsense. Unless you've been denied suffrage (as a lunatic or a Peer) you have a fucking MP to be your voice and who will represent you on any issue you can persuade them on.

    What you don't have is 'an MP' who is a single issue lobbyist-cum-activist policy wonk, and you don't have that because nobody would fucking vote them in.
    Like animal rights activists 'don't have an MP' who is only there to stop all animal testing and make meat illegal.

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    « Reply #7290 on: November 09, 2021, 01:35:53 PM »
    I generally draw the line once someone starts banging on the drum of “children should not only be allowed to begin hormone therapy, but parents who are not okay with that should be killed and cancelled.”  Kids are fucking stupid and nearly always do not know themselves until they are well into adulthood.  Some of these very online reautists are types that would classify parents giving a curfew as abhorrent child abuse, and should never ever ever be listened to about anything at all.
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    « Reply #7291 on: November 09, 2021, 01:40:36 PM »
    Like animal rights activists 'don't have an MP' who is only there to stop all animal testing and make meat illegal.
    Fact check: False

    They have 6 seats in parliament and yes they are stone cold crazy
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    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7292 on: November 09, 2021, 01:42:10 PM »
    I generally draw the line once someone starts banging on the drum of “children should not only be allowed to begin hormone therapy, but parents who are not okay with that should be killed and cancelled.”
    This is where my already extremely liberal position of acceptance of all things started to crack under the assault of "trans rights" demands. I don't necessarily think it should be automatically illegal but trans activists want children to be put on puberty blockers, receive hormone treatments and surgical reassignment without their parents involvement. To even question this is painted as literally genociding trans children and trans people in general. To point out that these are permanent changes is considered transphobic gatekeeping. To actually outlaw it (as some states have done) is to "force" trans activists to lie and make up claims of suicides increasing.

    Even though trans activists claim none of this is being done to children in the first place!

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    « Reply #7293 on: November 09, 2021, 01:47:47 PM »
    Like animal rights activists 'don't have an MP' who is only there to stop all animal testing and make meat illegal.
    Fact check: False

    They have 6 seats in parliament and yes they are stone cold crazy
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    Pinstripes are bold but maybe not "crazy".

    GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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    « Reply #7294 on: November 09, 2021, 01:48:31 PM »
    Like animal rights activists 'don't have an MP' who is only there to stop all animal testing and make meat illegal.
    Fact check: False

    They have 6 seats in parliament and yes they are stone cold crazy
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    whats that picture, some kind of foreign club we're not a member of?
    spoiler (click to show/hide)
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    Nintex

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    « Reply #7295 on: November 09, 2021, 01:50:20 PM »
    I generally draw the line once someone starts banging on the drum of “children should not only be allowed to begin hormone therapy, but parents who are not okay with that should be killed and cancelled.”
    This is where my already extremely liberal position of acceptance of all things started to crack under the assault of "trans rights" demands. I don't necessarily think it should be automatically illegal but trans activists want children to be put on puberty blockers, receive hormone treatments and surgical reassignment without their parents involvement. To even question this is painted as literally genociding trans children and trans people in general. To point out that these are permanent changes is considered transphobic gatekeeping. To actually outlaw it (as some states have done) is to "force" trans activists to lie and make up claims of suicides increasing.

    Even though trans activists claim none of this is being done to children in the first place!
    I'm in the camp that thinks kids should learn how to read and write and a little math before teaching them about gender unicorns or exposing them to non-binaries in speedo's.

    But that is considered transphobic :trumps
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    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7296 on: November 09, 2021, 01:50:27 PM »
    "Animal rights"? Get on our level (this was cited by a Supreme Court Justice) Yurop,

    Hap Shaughnessy

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    « Reply #7297 on: November 09, 2021, 01:55:02 PM »
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-rules-link-to-proud-boys-would-be-poison-at-trial.488062/page-8#post-76714104

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    Holy shit what an incompetent prosecution. How the fuck do you not properly vet your own witness so poorly that he torpedoes your case in cross before the defense has even begun.

    I mean nothing the witnesses were saying wasn't show on video right after this happened. None of this is a surprise and has all been available for a year. Most people ignored the actual videos.

    The Young Turks (Anna) came out with a video on Friday saying they hadn't paid attention to the videos and wished they did.

    The prosecutions case has always been fairly weak for murder. He will get a gun charge, but the only reason they put him on trial was because of the outrage and media coverage. They knew this heading in. They can't come up with fake witnesses.

     :hesright Rittenhouse is a shithead that should see some kind of punishment, but the little I know about American law leads me to believe that he is going to get a slap on the wrist at most.
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    Nintex

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7298 on: November 09, 2021, 02:01:02 PM »
    You're not going to win this one Benji.

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    "Was" because they were banned when it seemed like they would actually win some seats.

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg of 'one issue' parties.
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    GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7299 on: November 09, 2021, 02:01:10 PM »
    Came into the thread expecting book recommendations, but the above is just as good!

    Yes, reddit and twitter threads and medium articles are just as good as books and peer reviewed journals.

    benjipwns

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7300 on: November 09, 2021, 02:01:31 PM »
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-rules-link-to-proud-boys-would-be-poison-at-trial.488062/page-8#post-76714104

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    Quote from: Kuga
    Holy shit what an incompetent prosecution. How the fuck do you not properly vet your own witness so poorly that he torpedoes your case in cross before the defense has even begun.

    I mean nothing the witnesses were saying wasn't show on video right after this happened. None of this is a surprise and has all been available for a year. Most people ignored the actual videos.

    The Young Turks (Anna) came out with a video on Friday saying they hadn't paid attention to the videos and wished they did.

    The prosecutions case has always been fairly weak for murder. He will get a gun charge, but the only reason they put him on trial was because of the outrage and media coverage. They knew this heading in. They can't come up with fake witnesses.
    Part about outrage is what will get him banned, though they'll actually be mad about the true stuff about the videos. See my Singal quote above.

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7301 on: November 09, 2021, 02:01:55 PM »
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-rules-link-to-proud-boys-would-be-poison-at-trial.488062/page-8#post-76714104

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    Quote from: Kuga
    Holy shit what an incompetent prosecution. How the fuck do you not properly vet your own witness so poorly that he torpedoes your case in cross before the defense has even begun.

    I mean nothing the witnesses were saying wasn't show on video right after this happened. None of this is a surprise and has all been available for a year. Most people ignored the actual videos.

    The Young Turks (Anna) came out with a video on Friday saying they hadn't paid attention to the videos and wished they did.

    The prosecutions case has always been fairly weak for murder. He will get a gun charge, but the only reason they put him on trial was because of the outrage and media coverage. They knew this heading in. They can't come up with fake witnesses.

    Didn't they ban someone for posting a video previously in the thread  :lol

    When you ignore facts just because they don't fit your narrative your no different from those dumbass rightwingers

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7302 on: November 09, 2021, 02:04:19 PM »
    Rittenhouse case is more like the Zimmerman case when they want to be like the George Floyd case.

    GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7303 on: November 09, 2021, 02:06:54 PM »

    benjipwns

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    « Reply #7304 on: November 09, 2021, 02:09:26 PM »
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    Actually is more legitimate than the acne medication seeing as Twitter rather famously didn't actually turn a profit for eight years (and didn't last year either supposedly) while ResetERA.com was profitable from the start.

    GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7305 on: November 09, 2021, 02:10:59 PM »
    and both are a welcoming trash fire at the crossroads of our dystopian future

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7306 on: November 09, 2021, 02:16:32 PM »
    That’s what people used to say about gay people, so it’s probably in the ballpark of ignorance and bigotry.

    I say let people find love and acceptance in the way they want and leave them alone. Pretty easy to do.


    It's incredibly easy!  Just ignore them.  You know, like you do for literally every person on earth that you don't know.

    You want equal rights?  Enjoy nobody giving a shit about your cause just like every human in existence, congrats.
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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7307 on: November 09, 2021, 02:23:33 PM »
    https://www.resetera.com/threads/fortnite-halts-sale-of-travis-scott-emote-days-after-concert-tragedy.511746/#post-76676337

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    Good on Sony and Epic. Send him and his ridiculous girlfriend/inlaws into the gulag. They just parasites for peoples cash and I don't get the worshipping they get.

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    « Reply #7308 on: November 09, 2021, 02:42:21 PM »
    Even if trans people had all the legal rights and protections of other groups in addition to the ones unique to them, there would still be a major mental health aspect to it just due to it being an internal identity based group, and the suicide rate would unfortunately remain high probably. 
    Being trans isn't an instance of mental illness. Gender dysphoria is the recognized mental illness. You can be trans without dysphoria and vice versa. There's nothing wrong with being trans or not being trans, but neither is a medical condition people should seek medical help to address.

    Of course certain trans groups believe this kind of statement to be the promotion of literal genocide.

    It’s not a mental illness, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a mental aspect to it. Whether it’s dysphoria or not, it’s predicated on an internal aspect of a person that is not apparent on a base level to other people in a way that isn’t comparable to other “passing” groups.  It’s also one, if some people are to be believed, with a time limit.  Unless you go full eugenics and completely unlock the mind, there will always be people with things like bipolar disorder.  Not true for a concept like gender where groups of people are doing everything in their power to make it not exist in the future (congrats on tying it to biological sex I guess).  War between truscum and NB is certainly going to be something.

    benjipwns

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7309 on: November 09, 2021, 02:55:24 PM »
    Came into the thread expecting book recommendations, but the above is just as good!

    Yes, reddit and twitter threads and medium articles are just as good as books and peer reviewed journals.
    They're fine actually, but you should always investigate them yourself since no one else did. In this instance I clicked onto the reddit thread Kyuuji shared called "A Comprehensive Defense of Trans People" (which it definitely is not) and skipping the first section (since it is about gender dysphoria, not trans people) we immediately get to:
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    Trans Youth

    Myth #1: Kids Will Change Their Minds / The Desistance Myth

    Myth #3: Puberty blockers are harmful
    Neither of these are myths. All of the science of which there is barely any goes in the opposite direction. This doesn't mean gender dysphoria is fake or that trans kids are fake or that nothing should be done for either, it means these are not myths. When a writer lies to you like this you don't have to read their entire work because you can immediately be skeptical of all of it. I will add this though, never does the "Defense of Trans People" actually defend trans people's right to exist not even through simple axioms which undergird human rights. I'll leave it to the reader to decide why it doesn't do this.

    In another case, Kyuuji presents this tweet which I'm going to quote from rather than repost:
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    NOTES ON THE SUFFRAGE OF TRANS WOMEN

    Not enough people understand that trans women received suffrage, if we ever did at all, much later than cis women.

    Transphobes abuse such ignorance to encourage further oppression of trans women.
    What is this basis of this radical claim?
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    Q1: WHY COULDN'T TRANS WOMEN VOTE?

    A1: Because (1a) all meaningful transfemale social practices were criminalized and felons could not vote, and because (1b) transfemale identity was clinicalized and the mentally ill could not vote.

    Q2: WHEN WERE TRANS PEOPLE GRANTED SUFFRAGE?

    Voting histories are complicated. So-called "universal suffrage" (and "woman suffrage") has always been a local ideal, often a false one in practice, and never the reality. Here is a timeline for America.

    But from a *purely legalistic standpoint*, trans women have never been guaranteed the right to vote & will remain in franchise jeopardy as long as our womanhood (or, for that matter, manhood) is in a state of primary emergency.
    Of course, this is nonsense on its face. First, there is no evidence that trans women were historically either all felons and/or institutionalized even if we accept the unsupported claim that "all meaningful transfemale social practices were criminalized", nowhere does the author support this (even for Twitter) broad claim. Second, they show their actual hand by saying "so-called 'universal suffrage'" is "never the reality" implying they have an impossible standard in mind. Third, "state of primary emergency" explains itself from a "purely legalistic standpoint."

    Here is their actual point, the elimination of prison and mental institutions entirely:
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    Q3: WHAT CAN BE DONE?

    Because of very real historical differences in power, trans women's suffrage is unlike woman suffrage. We cannot depend on a singular law unless that law is for felons, disabled, etc. Instead we create vectors for decarceration, declinicalization, etc.

    A good example of this is that some American cities *still* have travesty laws on the books, but now go unenforced for trans women. Such easing creates a situation of suffrage precarity which can only see complete resolution by abolition of the prison & mental institution system.
    They've couched a bigger political agenda within the "trans rights" agenda. And Kyuuji uncritically shares it as if it has any basis in reality to actual SUFFRAGE issues.

    GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7310 on: November 09, 2021, 03:02:09 PM »
    They've couched a bigger political agenda within the "trans rights" agenda. And Kyuuji uncritically shares it as if it has any basis in reality to actual SUFFRAGE issues.

    But kyuuji doesn't have a pet cause MP, so that must be a suffrage issue

     :steel

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7311 on: November 09, 2021, 03:08:10 PM »
    Came into the thread expecting book recommendations, but the above is just as good!

    Yes, reddit and twitter threads and medium articles are just as good as books and peer reviewed journals.
    ...and here we get to the main problem with these mentally incompetent fuck ups.

    The insane rantings of some "activist" on Twitter, who they identify with solely based on appearance, are given more weight than the reasoned and researched articles published by academics and real journalists who follow an actual journalistic code and have to meet standards and guidelines.
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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7312 on: November 09, 2021, 03:14:18 PM »
    We are we still here? Just to suffrage?
    ©@©™

    Cauliflower Of Love

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7313 on: November 09, 2021, 03:15:20 PM »
    cerium is the greatest troll


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    « Reply #7314 on: November 09, 2021, 03:16:01 PM »
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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7315 on: November 09, 2021, 03:16:17 PM »
    We are we still here? Just to suffrage?

    Suffrage deez nuts.
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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7316 on: November 09, 2021, 03:18:50 PM »
    cerium is the greatest troll

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    A middle finger to that why women criticize thread lol

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7317 on: November 09, 2021, 03:25:32 PM »
    Outside of Twitter, and other terminally online spaces, how often does "trans rights" come up in your day?

    I can honestly say it is almost a non-existent factor in my life, which leads me to believe that the people who make this such a major issue online just need to have an intervention to get them away from their screens, into a productive job and socialising with the general population again.

    Anyone who denies that the circlejerk of online trans activism is any different to the bizarre qanon and alt-right lunacy is just being straight up ignorant.
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    benjipwns

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7318 on: November 09, 2021, 03:28:37 PM »
    When you ignore facts just because they don't fit your narrative your no different from those dumbass rightwingers
    They're learning from the best and brightest:
    https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1457864885287723016

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    Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
    « Reply #7319 on: November 09, 2021, 04:37:21 PM »
    The alt-right bro youtube reactions: "It's a slam dunk for the defense", "the trial is over".

    I think they forgot he killed two people, too.