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tuna_love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7560 on: November 12, 2021, 01:48:22 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/battlefield-2042-has-an-epic-skin-that-portrays-unmarked-russian-troops-who-were-involved-in-2014-annexation-of-crimea.513342/post-76905384
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There's been some discussion that the big burly guy is Russian, the Indian guy is all about computers and so on.
God forbid a Indian guy be into computers that shit is racist, should of been a support operator handing out bara to his teammates.
My best friend is Indian. He studied IT at university.
your best friend is a racist

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7561 on: November 12, 2021, 01:50:49 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/battlefield-2042-has-an-epic-skin-that-portrays-unmarked-russian-troops-who-were-involved-in-2014-annexation-of-crimea.513342/post-76905384
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There's been some discussion that the big burly guy is Russian, the Indian guy is all about computers and so on.
God forbid a Indian guy be into computers that shit is racist, should of been a support operator handing out bara to his teammates.
My best friend is Indian. He studied IT at university.
your best friend is a racist
He is actually. You should hear the shit he says about other Indians!
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7562 on: November 12, 2021, 02:00:55 PM »

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7563 on: November 12, 2021, 02:02:55 PM »
When the hot tub streamer clowns everyone financially

https://twitter.com/wildkait/status/1458014610007670784

Amouranth bought a gas station for $-110.000
« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 02:20:11 PM by HaughtyFrank »

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7564 on: November 12, 2021, 02:04:56 PM »
This thread isn't producing any sort of productive conversation so it's been locked

I mean, who can even say who, why, who, how, or who derailed it and actively stopped productive conversation, or make any kind of example out of them


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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7566 on: November 12, 2021, 02:26:04 PM »
I don't mean to poke the hive here, but I think it's important to keep in mind that a lot of these nakedly ridiculous ideas, these appeals to minorities to shelve their concerns in the pursuit of "M4A" and "Breaking up the banks."

...a lot of this shit, to the extent that the left should care about it (because honestly it's 'fuck the right' all day every day), are coming from groups who don't see themselves as conservative or right-leaning.

A lot of this bullshit is coming from people who would enthusiastically describe themselves as being Progressive/Socialist.

I think it's very important that not get lost in this. In any space where whiteness is prevalent, white supremacy is often not far behind.

And as a Black Progressive who does that work irl, it is often not white conversavatives who are making me feel sidelined.

Maybe go explain to a Bodega owner struggling with increased insurance premiums since they got looted last year why they should be on board for a big one off tax to pay off Nepenthes car loans over some shit that nobody alive was directly responsible for.

:kermit

this is the post that will prevent me holding office

I was going to vote for you and use fake names to boost up the voting but this, that's just a big no from me dawg  :yikes

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7567 on: November 12, 2021, 02:26:22 PM »
This thread isn't producing any sort of productive conversation so it's been locked

I mean, who can even say who, why, who, how, or who derailed it and actively stopped productive conversation, or make any kind of example out of them

Embarrassing how they can't even discuss it. Legitimately fragile

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7568 on: November 12, 2021, 02:28:37 PM »
Looks like he's unbanned now, good stuff mods.
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I don't throw around the phrase 'bootlicker' lightly, but...

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Also, I have no idea how anyone uses twitter. Trying to browse your feed is a nightmare unless you check it every five minutes.

ZeoVagina right now :maf

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7569 on: November 12, 2021, 02:33:04 PM »
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I don't use y'all or you guys. I use the proper term when attempting to get multiple people's attention:

"HEY!"
https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-fellow-progressive-southerners-do-you-feel-vindication-about-yall-coming-into-vogue-for-being-gender-neutral.513246/

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7570 on: November 12, 2021, 02:46:37 PM »

Averon

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7571 on: November 12, 2021, 02:53:33 PM »
This thread isn't producing any sort of productive conversation so it's been locked

I mean, who can even say who, why, who, how, or who derailed it and actively stopped productive conversation, or make any kind of example out of them

Embarrassing how they can't even discuss it. Legitimately fragile

There were mods in the thread almost from the start that just let excelchief shit up the entire thread without consequence until it got closed, which is probably what she and her ilk wanted. The study paints a picture that ERA's entire approach to aggressive, in-your-face "woke" politics that calls everyone a Nazi is self-defeating, to the point that even minorities are getting tired of it. Instead of having an honest conversation about that, just shit up the thread and accuse/imply anyone agreeing with the study as alt-right sympathizers at best.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7572 on: November 12, 2021, 03:10:37 PM »
https://twitter.com/BattlefieldComm/status/1459229157800484864
wtf, I want to play as a Crimean occupier y'all
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7573 on: November 12, 2021, 03:30:58 PM »
When the hot tub streamer clowns everyone financially

https://twitter.com/wildkait/status/1458014610007670784

Amouranth bought a gas station for $-110.000

Fine I’ll pump.

Mediocre Lager

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7574 on: November 12, 2021, 03:41:41 PM »
Era is the same as every other terminally online progressive. They don't want to actually be progressive, they just want to look progressive.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 08:49:39 PM by Mediocre Lager »

Nintex

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7575 on: November 12, 2021, 04:10:00 PM »
I really like the diversity in Disney Marvel's The EternalsTM and just loved how the audience cringed at the love scenes.
You could tell from their faces that they didn't like it and that just shows how powerful that is.
The 4 year old next to me got it, they said: "Wow, this really underscores the importance of positive role models for the LGTBQIA+ community" and they couldn't be more right.

Shame about all those shady folks at the parking lot that tried to talk to us. Thank god the Uber arrived quickly to take us back home so I could order some Pizza and watch Late Night with Stephen Colbert.
Still, I could tell by his car that he was a little sus and the photo of his I assume "family" confirmed my suspicions.  Probably a bigot, transphobic or both so I left him a 1 star review.

Unfortunately the Pizza guy arrived 10 minutes after the show already started and guy still expected a tip. I quickly slammed the door in his face and ran back to catch the last bit of the interview with Will Smith.
A little later my phone beeped (this is driving me crazy) and I got some free coupons. Shame I won't be ordering at that place again. They should be handing out pink slips, not coupons IMO.

Send from my iPhone
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7576 on: November 12, 2021, 04:14:14 PM »
This thread isn't producing any sort of productive conversation so it's been locked

I mean, who can even say who, why, who, how, or who derailed it and actively stopped productive conversation, or make any kind of example out of them

Embarrassing how they can't even discuss it. Legitimately fragile
Well, it is legitimate research that says they are uneducated people...
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7577 on: November 12, 2021, 05:14:40 PM »
When the hot tub streamer clowns everyone financially

https://twitter.com/wildkait/status/1458014610007670784

Amouranth bought a gas station for $-110.000


Imagine posting on twitter how you plan to evade taxes.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7578 on: November 12, 2021, 05:18:29 PM »
"The scandal isn't what's illegal, the scandal is what's legal"

Uncle

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7579 on: November 12, 2021, 05:18:43 PM »
This thread isn't producing any sort of productive conversation so it's been locked

I mean, who can even say who, why, who, how, or who derailed it and actively stopped productive conversation, or make any kind of example out of them

Embarrassing how they can't even discuss it. Legitimately fragile
Well, it is legitimate research that says they are uneducated people...

well let's be clear: regardless of whatever they might be, it says they're in good company with uneducated people
Uncle

BikeJesus

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7580 on: November 12, 2021, 06:22:13 PM »
If you don't have a tattoo of Hannah Gadsby you are less than scum.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7581 on: November 12, 2021, 06:48:32 PM »
Era is the same as every other terminally online progressive. They won't want to actually be progressive, they just want to look progressive.

Kinda like... everybody wanna be a distinguished black fellow but ain't nobody wanna be a distinguished black fellow?

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7582 on: November 12, 2021, 07:11:52 PM »
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Yea that’s fucked up, considering most of the world just accepted the Crimean annexation (because Russia scawy) and are now talking about how “Ukrainians are neo-nazis/fascists, the fighting in places like Donbass is justified lol”.

Do better, DICE.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/battlefield-2042-has-an-epic-skin-that-portrays-unmarked-russian-troops-who-were-involved-in-2014-annexation-of-crimea.513342/page-2#post-76900011

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I guess the world should have accepted the far likelier proposition that a country where a significant portion of the population still hero-worships Stepan Bandera does not have a major neo-Nazi presence that is officially condoned.

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Nearly 3 year old account and your sole comment on this website is repeating the Russian propaganda point that Ukraine is a Nazi state. Fuck off.
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7583 on: November 12, 2021, 07:17:01 PM »
When the hot tub streamer clowns everyone financially

https://twitter.com/wildkait/status/1458014610007670784

Amouranth bought a gas station for $-110.000


Imagine posting on twitter how you plan to evade taxes.
For real real. An impairment and accelerated depreciation of an asset that is still in use, fully utilized and capitalized in the same fiscal year won’t raise any eyebrows.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7584 on: November 12, 2021, 07:45:14 PM »
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That boy needs a long stay in a psychiatric facility and psychological help to get on the right way. Rehabilitate. So he can give back to society.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/16-year-old-truck-driver-runs-over-six-cyclists-in-an-attempt-to-%E2%80%9Croll-coal%E2%80%9D-on-them-no-arrest-up-6-charges.491922/page-8#post-76900131
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Sounds about white.

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This is what should be given to anyone, it should not be about corporal punishment. It should be about rehabilitating someone and getting them back into society, so they pay their dept. we are all on the same page that this little fucker did something horrible. So don’t you dare put words in my mouth or act like I am a fucking racist by implying I only say that because he is(?) white.

and yes I also think that about the person that raped me, before some asshole here asks me if I’d still say that if I was the victim.

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The statement "sounds about white" is implying you're racist? Okay then.

Your idealistic world view of an institution that is designed around the corporal punishment of black and brown bodies but actually is lenient towards white ones that benefit from class and privilege is exactly why the system needs to be burned to the ground, agreed.

Of course rehabilitation and a pathway that reintegrates people back into society as functioning contributors should be the goal of any prison system instead of relegating them to the fringes and ensuring cyclical entrapment with-in it. I just think that your idea of how it should be instituted differs from my own interpretation, especially in a case such as this.

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« Reply #7585 on: November 12, 2021, 07:55:28 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-this-an-irrational-pet-peeve.513312/index.php?pages/faq/
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I just recently an aunt of mine had to go in for minor surgery and everything went as planned and she was home the following day.

I went to visit her a couple of days ago and she told me about her surgery and how she’s “grateful to god” that everything went well…and then it dawned on me how it annoys me when people would rather thank some imaginary being instead of modern medicine and good doctors…

Does anyone else get annoyed by this? When someone has some medical procedure done or they’re sick and recover thanks to technology and modern medicine, but they would rather thank god instead of the doctors

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I do get annoyed at that yes.

But my biggest pet peeve in that vein is people thanking god for their own accomplishments. It’s not an anger thing, I just want to tell them “Dude, YOU fucking did that! Own it! You are responsible for how talented you are! Spacedad didn’t even help. You did that shit.”

And then those same people will have a tragedy occur and say “I guess this is gods plan.” Yea, your family member was killed in an accident that wasn’t even their fault…and it was gods plan.

I really feel sorry for ignorant and gullible people. There is nothing they won’t attribute to a proto Santa Claus.

 :whatisthis

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7586 on: November 12, 2021, 08:10:38 PM »
*tips fedora*

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7587 on: November 12, 2021, 08:16:54 PM »

DJ Bedroom

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7588 on: November 12, 2021, 08:19:11 PM »
For a forum that lets you manually input your preferred pronouns and militaristically enforces them, they sure get hung up on respecting someone else's beliefs

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7589 on: November 12, 2021, 08:53:54 PM »
I mean, all religious dogma should be mocked vigorously...but in my book, that includes crazy arse political dogma like most of Reeeeesetera have.
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7590 on: November 12, 2021, 09:09:29 PM »
It'd be cool if there's another huge riot when this kid gets off.  I get bored very quickly nowadays and the last one was a lot of fun*



*as long as it isn't happening anywhere near me.
when white people go out and defend fast food chain restaurants for free  :lawd
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Lonewulfeus

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7591 on: November 12, 2021, 09:41:17 PM »
It'd be cool if there's another huge riot when this kid gets off.  I get bored very quickly nowadays and the last one was a lot of fun*



*as long as it isn't happening anywhere near me.
when white people go out and defend fast food chain restaurants for free  :lawd

Fast food is very important in white culture :bolo

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7592 on: November 13, 2021, 02:12:17 AM »
It'd be cool if there's another huge riot when this kid gets off.  I get bored very quickly nowadays and the last one was a lot of fun*



*as long as it isn't happening anywhere near me.
when white people go out and defend fast food chain restaurants for free  :lawd

Fast food is very important in white culture :bolo

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GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7593 on: November 13, 2021, 08:01:48 AM »
Asshat isn't getting convicted.

Just hurry along and get the appeal and second trial going, because that's where this is headed.

What is Double Jeopardy, Alec?

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7594 on: November 13, 2021, 08:19:25 AM »
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yeah, I can't wrap my head around it either. Seems straightforward that he's saying he hopes it's not coming from the boats because there's huge delays in unloading them and he wants the food to be on time (they're talking about when they think they'll take lunch).

He's not saying it's gonna spoil, that post was just...what?
Long Beach is over 2000 miles away from the Kenosha County Court House...but go ahead, and explain to us Asian's how we shouldn't be offended when a old white judge might come of as a little racist.

That it's entirely illogical that the food would be on a ship that's 2000 miles away might almost be.... a joke?

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« Reply #7595 on: November 13, 2021, 09:32:16 AM »
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I mean, yeah, you can tell someone's progressiveness implicitly by their stand on housing and the homeless almost immediately. If someone wants homeless people taken off the streets in any way OTHER than affordable housing or doesn't want affordable housing in their area because "crime will go up" it's immediately signaling their viewpoints towards others, esp. other races.

I've had to bail out of a few threads on here even over that. If you're not cool with cheap housing going near you to help the poor out then you're whack.

I guarantee if this guy ever manages to buy a house he'll be even more whack than he is now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-opinion-liberal-hypocrisy-is-fueling-american-inequality-here%E2%80%99s-how.513768/




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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7596 on: November 13, 2021, 12:30:06 PM »
"for this complex problem that has plagued humanity since its inception, there's only one completely obvious solution and I am the one gifted with such insight; to disagree proves you are a nazi or nazi sympathizer"
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7597 on: November 13, 2021, 12:59:33 PM »
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That boy needs a long stay in a psychiatric facility and psychological help to get on the right way. Rehabilitate. So he can give back to society.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/16-year-old-truck-driver-runs-over-six-cyclists-in-an-attempt-to-%E2%80%9Croll-coal%E2%80%9D-on-them-no-arrest-up-6-charges.491922/page-8#post-76900131
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Sounds about white.

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This is what should be given to anyone, it should not be about corporal punishment. It should be about rehabilitating someone and getting them back into society, so they pay their dept. we are all on the same page that this little fucker did something horrible. So don’t you dare put words in my mouth or act like I am a fucking racist by implying I only say that because he is(?) white.

and yes I also think that about the person that raped me, before some asshole here asks me if I’d still say that if I was the victim.

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The statement "sounds about white" is implying you're racist? Okay then.

Your idealistic world view of an institution that is designed around the corporal punishment of black and brown bodies but actually is lenient towards white ones that benefit from class and privilege is exactly why the system needs to be burned to the ground, agreed.

Of course rehabilitation and a pathway that reintegrates people back into society as functioning contributors should be the goal of any prison system instead of relegating them to the fringes and ensuring cyclical entrapment with-in it. I just think that your idea of how it should be instituted differs from my own interpretation, especially in a case such as this.
So, in other words: "I agree with you completely on what should happen, except in this specific case where I want my personal racial vengeance applied, but you didn't mouth the proper phrases about desiring the entire system to be destroyed first so I'm totally justified in outright calling you a white supremacist."

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7598 on: November 13, 2021, 01:16:11 PM »
Asshat isn't getting convicted.

Just hurry along and get the appeal and second trial going, because that's where this is headed.
This entire case has shown how much of the social justice "left" knows nothing about the law despite their endless prognostication about it, let alone why we have protections specifically for defendants, but has swallowed entirely the unsupported proposition that the rule of law exists purely (and can only exist) for the propagation of white supremacy and therefore should be eliminated with nothing to replace it.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7599 on: November 13, 2021, 01:23:02 PM »
Benji, can you honestly say this trial would be going exactly the same way if Rittenhouse was black?

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7600 on: November 13, 2021, 01:27:17 PM »
Those protestors probably wouldn't have tried to kill him if he was black.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7601 on: November 13, 2021, 01:29:50 PM »
The judge demands you call them rioters :wag

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7602 on: November 13, 2021, 01:29:51 PM »

So, in other words: "I agree with you completely on what should happen, except in this specific case where I want my personal racial vengeance applied, but you didn't mouth the proper phrases about desiring the entire system to be destroyed first so I'm totally justified in outright calling you a white supremacist."

Pretty much a repeat of Nepthe always declaring herself a stead fast advocate for the abolition of the death penalty except all those times when it's like, really, really deserved.  So brave

This entire case has shown how much of the social justice "left" knows nothing about the law despite their endless prognostication about it, let alone why we have protections specifically for defendants, but has swallowed entirely the unsupported proposition that the rule of law exists purely (and can only exist) for the propagation of white supremacy and therefore should be eliminated with nothing to replace it.

Oh for sure.  They can verbatim quote every horrific example of injustice against liberals and minorities in law, but they have a sub- Law and Order:SVU understanding of anything that goes on in a court

It's just trying because when you try to explain why a legal ruling was made they just default to, "well it's bad and I'm not a bad person so I disagree."
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7603 on: November 13, 2021, 01:35:05 PM »
Benji, can you honestly say this trial would be going exactly the same way if Rittenhouse was black?
Not sure why you're directing this irrelevant question at me.

Those protestors probably wouldn't have tried to kill him if he was black.
Rosenbaum might have, he was recorded using the n-word.

The judge demands you call them rioters :wag
The judge, of course, never made any such demand or anything even remotely like it.
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Lonewulfeus

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7604 on: November 13, 2021, 01:43:01 PM »
Benji, can you honestly say this trial would be going exactly the same way if Rittenhouse was black?
Not sure why you're directing this irrelevant question at me.

You’ve argued in favor of rittenhouse for a few pages here (if not in favor of rittenhouse in defense of the legal maneuvering of the defense and judge in his favor).  It’s a simple and relevant question.  I don’t think anyone is arguing against the protections for defendants in our legal system, it’s more about the unequal application of those protections.  So, do you believe that a “black” rittenhouse would have gotten the same defense and the same outcome from this judge?  Would he have even had the option of bail?  Would the cops have even arrested him or just shot him right then and there?

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The judge, of course, never made any such demand or anything even remotely like it.

The judge won’t allow the prosecutors to refer to the people shot as victims because the word is loaded with prejudice, but he would absolutely allow the defense to call them rioters, arsonists, or looters, if the defense could prove that they were.  Prejudice that might help rittenhouse is allowed, but prejudice that would hurt him isn’t.  Do you think a black man would be given the same benefits?  The former maybe since it seems this judge is known for that policy but the latter I’m not so sure.
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7605 on: November 13, 2021, 01:47:00 PM »
How black we talking?

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7606 on: November 13, 2021, 01:52:56 PM »
Would the cops have even arrested him or just shot him right then and there?

I know era routinely and uncritically parrot that the only reason the police in America exists is to protect rich peoples stuff and shoot black people, but the idea that police will always kill a suspect rather than arrest them is wholly at odds with the idea that black people are disproportionately jailed in the US.

They're literally mutually exclusive hypotheses.

Lonewulfeus

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7607 on: November 13, 2021, 01:56:36 PM »
Would the cops have even arrested him or just shot him right then and there?

I know era routinely and uncritically parrot that the only reason the police in America exists is to protect rich peoples stuff and shoot black people, but the idea that police will always kill a suspect rather than arrest them is wholly at odds with the idea that black people are disproportionately jailed in the US.

They're literally mutually exclusive hypotheses.

That’s plausible for nonviolent crimes, which black people are jailed for at a massively disproportionate rate but a violent crime with a gun?

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7608 on: November 13, 2021, 01:57:36 PM »
You’ve argued in favor of rittenhouse for a few pages here (if not in favor of rittenhouse in defense of the legal maneuvering of the defense and judge in his favor).  It’s a simple and relevant question.  I don’t think anyone is arguing against the protections for defendants in our legal system, it’s more about the unequal application of those protections.  So, do you believe that a “black” rittenhouse would have gotten the same defense and the same outcome from this judge?  Would he have even had the option of bail?  Would the cops have even arrested him or just shot him right then and there?
I have not argued in favor of Rittenhouse, I don't care at all what the jury finds for him. I have argued in favor of the rights of defendants. I have argued that the judge has acted properly in his rulings protecting a defendant, against the proposition that he's a senile racist trying to "steal" a trial, because he has.

Tons of people are arguing against legal protections for defendants in this case. ResetERA.com members. Prominent media members. Legal figures. Twitter is covered in blue checks and large accounts demanding this and it trickles down to morons like ResetERA.com. They want rid of double jeopardy, they want rid of (and prosecution for) a judge who has upheld a defendants rights against an incompetent prosecution, they want rid of due process, they think the prosecution should be allowed to misstate the law in pursuit of guilt, etc. They desire Rittenhouse in prison for life and how he gets there doesn't matter to them.

It's a completely irrelevant and nonsense question to wonder what would happen to a Black Rittenhouse. It doesn't apply to the actual real world case before us and is an impossible thing to know. I don't see the point in the slightest.

The calls I am talking about are not about unequal application (something which obviously wouldn't be fixed by Rittenhouse going to prison for life as a murderer), these are calls to fundamentally destroy the rule of law in the pursuit of specific racial ends. It's not new, it's just that this case has pushed them to the forefront of the conversation.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7609 on: November 13, 2021, 02:03:16 PM »
Would the cops have even arrested him or just shot him right then and there?

I know era routinely and uncritically parrot that the only reason the police in America exists is to protect rich peoples stuff and shoot black people, but the idea that police will always kill a suspect rather than arrest them is wholly at odds with the idea that black people are disproportionately jailed in the US.

They're literally mutually exclusive hypotheses.

That’s plausible for nonviolent crimes, which black people are jailed for at a massively disproportionate rate but a violent crime with a gun?

Again, era regularly and uncritically parrot the idea most black people in prison are just unlucky victims who were smoking a lil weed and the system decided to fuck them, but the majority of all offenders currently in prison - of all demographics - are there for violent crimes.

I think there is something deeply fucked going on in the American prison system, because, well, compare it to any other first world countries percentages of incarcerated portion of the population, but the majority of inmates are violent offenders.

It doesn't track with eras narrative.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7610 on: November 13, 2021, 02:03:22 PM »
Lets switch it around completely. Lets say that there were some riots being led by alt-right protestors, and a young african-american boy gets chased and shoots and kills 2 of the protestors who are seemingly about to potentially kill him.

I'd hope he gets acquited. And i'd feel a lot better about it than if Rittenhouse gets acquitted. But that doesn't mean Rittenhouse doesn't deserve equal consideration.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7611 on: November 13, 2021, 02:09:12 PM »
You’ve argued in favor of rittenhouse for a few pages here (if not in favor of rittenhouse in defense of the legal maneuvering of the defense and judge in his favor).  It’s a simple and relevant question.  I don’t think anyone is arguing against the protections for defendants in our legal system, it’s more about the unequal application of those protections.  So, do you believe that a “black” rittenhouse would have gotten the same defense and the same outcome from this judge?  Would he have even had the option of bail?  Would the cops have even arrested him or just shot him right then and there?
I have not argued in favor of Rittenhouse, I don't care at all what the jury finds for him. I have argued in favor of the rights of defendants. I have argued that the judge has acted properly in his rulings protecting a defendant, against the proposition that he's a senile racist trying to "steal" a trial, because he has.

Tons of people are arguing against legal protections for defendants in this case. ResetERA.com members. Prominent media members. Legal figures. Twitter is covered in blue checks and large accounts demanding this and it trickles down to morons like ResetERA.com. They want rid of double jeopardy, they want rid of (and prosecution for) a judge who has upheld a defendants rights against an incompetent prosecution, they want rid of due process, they think the prosecution should be allowed to misstate the law in pursuit of guilt, etc. They desire Rittenhouse in prison for life and how he gets there doesn't matter to them.

It's a completely irrelevant and nonsense question to wonder what would happen to a Black Rittenhouse. It doesn't apply to the actual real world case before us and is an impossible thing to know. I don't see the point in the slightest.

The calls I am talking about are not about unequal application (something which obviously wouldn't be fixed by Rittenhouse going to prison for life as a murderer), these are calls to fundamentally destroy the rule of law in the pursuit of specific racial ends. It's not new, it's just that this case has pushed them to the forefront of the conversation.

I think the microscope on this case just highlights the inequalities in the system that’s all.  I’m not arguing against specific legal protections, I just wish everyone got them.  That’s all my hypothesis about a black rittenhouse is about.  I sincerely don’t believe we’d be having the same conversations about this trial if the only things that changed were the defendants race and/or class.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7612 on: November 13, 2021, 02:12:28 PM »
The judge won’t allow the prosecutors to refer to the people shot as victims because the word is loaded with prejudice, but he would absolutely allow the defense to call them rioters, arsonists, or looters, if the defense could prove that they were.  Prejudice that might help rittenhouse is allowed, but prejudice that would hurt him isn’t. 
But this makes absolute sense. You can't call them "victims" because it implies Rittenhouse is guilty when he's actually innocent. You can call people things they are proven to be. That this isn't normal in every courtroom (it's actually required in some states though) doesn't mean it shouldn't be done or criticized!

And these rules don't apply to opening and closing statements where the prosecution can do nothing but say the word victim over and over for an hour if they want to.
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7613 on: November 13, 2021, 02:16:12 PM »
I think the microscope on this case just highlights the inequalities in the system that’s all.  I’m not arguing against specific legal protections, I just wish everyone got them.  That’s all my hypothesis about a black rittenhouse is about.  I sincerely don’t believe we’d be having the same conversations about this trial if the only things that changed were the defendants race and/or class.
I never said you did, we don't disagree. I'm saying there are tons of people who are champing at the bit to tear down the law in this case because it supports their bias and their ideology and they want blood.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7614 on: November 13, 2021, 02:16:31 PM »
Even assuming it's true a hypothetical black rittenhouse would have gotten more of a raw deal, do you think setting precedent for things like, I dunno, malicious governmental prosecution where you keep getting a go at a conviction until it sticks is going to end up working for minorities long term?

Like, if you think minorities get a shifty end of the deal now, I don't get how you can be onboard for removing protections specifically there to try and stop the law fucking people in general

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7615 on: November 13, 2021, 02:21:43 PM »
The answer to unequal application is to strengthen protections for defendants, reform the bail system (also a strengthening of protections for defendants) and so on. Not to overthrow the entire legal system or replace it with a Star Chamber or to pave over every protection for defendants simply to chase down a single white man.

Even CRT accepts this somewhat. The only proposal to ever come out of it other than eliminating the rule of law is that Blacks should always practice jury nullification for Blacks. This is an incredibly stupid idea but it's better than arguing that Blacks shouldn't receive constitutional rights as defendants!

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7616 on: November 13, 2021, 02:28:17 PM »
I miss Riotous Sr  :'(

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7617 on: November 13, 2021, 02:28:32 PM »
I think the microscope on this case just highlights the inequalities in the system that’s all.  I’m not arguing against specific legal protections, I just wish everyone got them.  That’s all my hypothesis about a black rittenhouse is about.  I sincerely don’t believe we’d be having the same conversations about this trial if the only things that changed were the defendants race and/or class.
I never said you did, we don't disagree. I'm saying there are tons of people who are champing at the bit to tear down the law in this case because it supports their bias and their ideology and they want blood.

I see their arguments as more emotional than logical and I can sympathize with them even if they are wrong in what they want to change.  People still remember the OJ Simpson trial because it was such a rare occurrence for an obviously guilty black man to get one over on the system.  It’s also easy to remember the times where justice wasn’t served like the killing of Breona Taylor by police in Kentucky.  I can understand why people feel like this shit never seems to end and it can lead to less than ideal arguments being made.  Let’s face it, nothing that people on resetera.com or blue check Twitter will make a single ounce of difference in our legal system because they have no power to effect change.  If it’s cathartic to let out steam that way I don’t see the harm because it’ll never amount to any actual change in the system

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« Reply #7618 on: November 13, 2021, 02:32:38 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-my-11yo-cousin-was-writing-some-pretty-offensive-stuff-on-roblox.513906/

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... and I don't know how to react. What would you do? I don't want him to grow a bigot.

For context: I'm closer to his older brother, but not him, he spend all his time on his laptop unsupervised (probably learning a bunch of shit). I've never played Roblox before, but they invited me to play together and I accepted (it sucks), when he started to write a bunch of crap. I was told he was banned for it before.

I was so shocked that I just said "What are you doing??!" and he looked at me like I'm a weirdo. Then I said he shouldn't say this stuff and he stopped for the day, but doubt he stopped at home. His parents just don't give a damn and he's left alone on Roblox all day. His brother is not like that at all.

(not sure which Forum this fits better, tbh)

Yet they post on a site that caused blacks, trans and Asians to leave due to bigotry  :curious

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #7619 on: November 13, 2021, 02:32:50 PM »
Amir0x associate Dennis8K got got for appreciating the female form:
User Banned (1 month): Boys club rhetoric; Numerous prior bans including ban for similar behaviour

They better not slim down Rogue's thickness.



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