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[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/johnny-depp-donates-funds-from-800-000-nft-sale-to-charity-amber-heard-pledged-but-never-donated-to.605649/

Yay for NFT's now?


If any non-Disney affiliated person did 1/4 of this they would be carpet bombed by kyuji in ever thread forever.

https://twitter.com/k4mil1aa/status/1545138435614117888

[Boredfrom]

Twitter AmberVsDeep spat has been awful, so dunno. That user seems to be exclusive to post pro Heard shit.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/texas-woman-to-fight-hov-lane-citation-arguing-her-unborn-child-counts-as-a-2nd-person.605679/

Just pay your traffic ticket, goddamn

When she goes to the movies, she should be charged for an additional child's ticket.

Better start charging pregnant Texans double for plane tickets or admission to events then.

Real Sovereign Citizen energy coming from this one.

These fucking dummies missing the point.

Well, yeah they hate women.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/canada-era-rogers-cable-internet-has-been-down-nationwide-all-morning.605409/page-8#post-89732766

Yeah screw this. I had a bad mental health day due to a breakup and if I lived by myself I'd probably be dead because I had no access to any supports. I'm going to get my next service bill waived entirely for this shit.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/page-2#post-89715486

A life of inner city living, watching folks that look like you get killed in the street (and on television/internet, by authority figures no less) being told by society that you're more or less worthless. Government has failed them. Community has failed them. Schools have failed them. And that's not even taking into account what thier home lives are like since we don't know. At some level can you blame these young minds for not giving a fuck?

Yes?

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/canada-era-rogers-cable-internet-has-been-down-nationwide-all-morning.605409/page-7#post-89729013

TIL
some TTC routes have public wifi on their buses!

resetera is blocked though lol
i think because it is categorized as "gaming" aka gambling?

Gaming is gambling?  Maybe Ree is on the watch.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-shot-in-the-back-in-nara-city-suspect-arrested-up-abe-confirmed-dead-see-staff-post.605334/page-26#post-89725497

User permanently thread banned: arm chair diagnosis, thread derailment over multiple posts

Still unbelievable that we've got people doing the "civility politics" shit when a guy with well-known hard right associations dies. The focus should be on the ramifications of his death, not greeting tears for a guy who clearly didn't value the lives of others as much as he would try to profess in his public persona as a politician.

To be fair, I never said anyone had to be sad. Just said people shouldn't be cheering because that's literally sociopath behavior.

Threadbanned for telling the truth.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Excelsiorlef must be having a rough time. She probably has the shakes by now.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-shot-in-the-back-in-nara-city-suspect-arrested-up-abe-confirmed-dead-see-staff-post.605334/page-26#post-89725497

To be fair, I never said anyone had to be sad. Just said people shouldn't be cheering because that's literally sociopath behavior.

Threadbanned for telling the truth.

I do not know that any psychologist, psychiatrist, or otherwise mental health professional would say that would qualify as a diagnosis of sociopathy. If anything the underlying reason behind the cheering would be examined and I think if it was found to be because the guy was a horrible person who did a lot of damage during their life, that would serve as a reasonable justification that would point away from sociopathy. If you are just talking about some unchecked blood lust just for the sake of it maybe then you would have a point, but I don't think anyone here is doing that, people are reacting the way they are because of Abe's actions, not just for the sake of it.

[D3RANG3D]

 

[Boredfrom]

You have a moderator openly salivating about shaming people that disapprove the idea of political violence.

You have a commie that acts like war crimes denial is worse than current genocide (while promoting a Marxist philosopher that is also a war crime denialist)

You have far left Koreans seriously arguing that is normal that people react with “yeah whatever, Rest in Piss” and that is American centric to have basic human decency (while acknowledging that is in bad taste even in his country to piss this early on someone grave).

You have Pokémon fan seriously thinking that it was a false flag operation from the guy own party… even when is not needed like at all for them to win.

You have an asshole that got unchallenged when said that Abe killed a lot of people (WTF?)

You have a lot of people outright saying that Japan is not a democracy and act like the country is a failed state and this was inevitable.

I don’t even fucking like the guy, and I understand how frustrating is that the guy is becoming a global martyr… but woke over reaction is not helping at all

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/covid-cases-in-italy-have-exploded.605358/page-5#post-89708226

We're not going to beat this shit as long as there's a fucking non-masked neanderthals that staring at you like it's abnormal when you still wear a mask indoors.

The most frustrating part about this attitude from them is how somehow i’m the villain for doing something A. to protect myself, and B. that doesn’t affect them at all.

Keep the shitty stares to yourself, asshole.

Wut?

For all the weirdos like me still wearing masks out there i say 💎🤲

God help us all.

What the fuck does he mean with those emojis lol

yea I love the stares and snide comments I get from wearing my masks.

Mind your own damn business bitch, I'll mask however the fuck long I want you walking diseased troglodytes

[Snoopycat_]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/canada-era-rogers-cable-internet-has-been-down-nationwide-all-morning.605409/page-8#post-89732766

Yeah screw this. I had a bad mental health day due to a breakup and if I lived by myself I'd probably be dead because I had no access to any supports. I'm going to get my next service bill waived entirely for this shit.

Yes hello. I want my bill waived please. I was all upset n shit when the service went down. Seriously, I'm like proper mental. I deserve free internets.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-shot-in-the-back-in-nara-city-suspect-arrested-up-abe-confirmed-dead-see-staff-post.605334/page-26#post-89725497

User permanently thread banned: arm chair diagnosis, thread derailment over multiple posts

Still unbelievable that we've got people doing the "civility politics" shit when a guy with well-known hard right associations dies. The focus should be on the ramifications of his death, not greeting tears for a guy who clearly didn't value the lives of others as much as he would try to profess in his public persona as a politician.

To be fair, I never said anyone had to be sad. Just said people shouldn't be cheering because that's literally sociopath behavior.

Threadbanned for telling the truth.

Weird how calling people sociopath is a threadban but making completely unfounded statements about how Abe killed an untold number of people is cool

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/texas-woman-to-fight-hov-lane-citation-arguing-her-unborn-child-counts-as-a-2nd-person.605679/

Just pay your traffic ticket, goddamn

When she goes to the movies, she should be charged for an additional child's ticket.

Better start charging pregnant Texans double for plane tickets or admission to events then.

Real Sovereign Citizen energy coming from this one.

These fucking dummies missing the point.

mmm yes

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

No, they brutally murdered an elderly man. There’s no rehabilitating that.

I don't know what makes you so sure of this. Were you the same person at 13 as at 33? Or if you aren't that old, hell even at 23? I would absolutely hope not.

Bit weird the guy who wants people fired today for undirected comments they made online as a teenager suddenly gets a sense of nuance over the literal murder of a 70 year old, innit?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Good!

Totally normal videogame forum post

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bill-burr-live-at-red-rocks-official-trailer-netflix-july-12th.605433/page-2#post-89711370

Just because trans people are the ones being thrown out for a cheap laugh at the expense of our rights

I'm going to have to start literally begging people to understand the simple concept of rights.

meanwhile in every situation involving first amendment rights:

"it only protects you from GOVERNMENT intervention, it doesn't mean the average person has to listen to your bullshit, and they're showing you the door"

"talk shit get hit, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Y'all didn't even call the Uvalde shooter an animal. Time and time again y'all turn on and dehumanize Black mistakes and criminality in a way you just don't do for other folks. You're not allies.

             whataboutism?
              /


nobody was fucking defending the Uvalde shooter on era. Unlike these kids for some reason.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/creators-who-say-they-like-a-character-but-it-is-clear-that-they-hate-them.605763/

Zack Snyder and the DC characters. Snyder claims he likes heroes such as Batman and Superman but it is clear that he hates them and everything they stand for as he writes them doing a bunch of stuff that goes against the core themes

[BikeJesus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-well-ever-see-campo-santos-in-the-valley-of-gods-release.605724/post-89736153

Valve buying Campo Santo out before this released was antiblack.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-appreciation-thread.147998/page-15#post-89743662

Yeah. There was a reason she was one of the people who survived Channel Awesome melting down on itself, and it's a tragedy she's gone. There really are people out there whose only joy in life seems to come from ripping other people to shreds.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/page-3#post-89741379

Some people are absolutely beyond redemption. I’ve got zero sympathy for these kids, and any active participants need to be locked up for a very long time. Remove them from society. This isn’t a youthful indiscretion. Someone who plans to kill a poor old man, laughs about it, actually beats and kills the man, all while filming the entire thing has something seriously wrong with them. They’re broken and dangerous, and they don’t deserve any benefit of the doubt.

Royalan

I can't get down with this.

I want to be clear: I'm a Black person living in Philly. Everyone I know is talking about this, and everyone I know is aghast at the entire situation. These kids absolutely deserve consequences, legal and lasting consequences, and pretty harsh ones, at that.

But I can't get down with this language (and not to single you out, Addie, you're not the only one in this thread talking like this).

I've watched this video, and there will be no convincing me that these kids set out with the intent to kill a man. I don't even see evidence in this video that these kids thought what was happening would result in this man dying (this does not absolve them, before anybody gets me fucked up). I see one overt aggressor; I see one poor girl who looks horrified from the start of the video until the end. I see the boy in the white shirt who's filming stop filming and look shocked when whatever happens when the girl with the cone runs off-screen happens. And then I see a group of other kids who look a mix of entertained, then complacent, then confused/shocked.

I watch this video, and I see a Lord of the Flies moment in real-time. What I don't see is the same ragtag group of murderers set out with the intent to kill that so many in here are insistent on seeing. And so, I will not use the same language to describe these kids that I would use to describe a ragtag group of murderers set out with the intent of kill. Because THOSE people exist. They're not a fictional archetype. There are cold-blooded killers in this world. We see evidence of this in threads posted on this site damn near weekly. This language should be reserved for them. Because when we use this language, and we start to see these kids (who went too far in some shit they shouldn't have been doing in the first place, which resulted in the death of a man, and yes THEY DESERVE CONSEQUENCES I will repeat) as no different than people who truly do revel and gloat over the idea of killing people, then we create the environment for every kid (and it is not inconsequential that these kids are Black) engaging in any level of illegality to be viewed and thus punished in this same light. We see this same language used to describe the origin of the fear of Black boy shot for stealing a soft drink from a convenience store. This language, used so wantonly, trickles down and becomes the reason it was OK for a bunch of white people to watch a police officer step on the back of a Black girl for acting rowdy at a public pool. The fear and hate that this language spawns becomes the reason why a Black boy in a hoodie, carrying nothing but skittles and an Arizona iced tea, doesn't make it home.

This shit is all connected.

This language is not just inaccurate, but it bears down on the lives of all of these kids. Not just the kids involved in this crime; ALL of These kids. It crushes them down and then reshapes what they see to be the expectations of their lives. It affects the opportunities afforded them. It robs them of the benefit of the doubt so many other kids get when, like most kids, they inevitably do something wrong.

And that's not to trivialize what happened to James Lambert -- his life was stolen by a group of kids who absolutely deserve to be brought to justice despite the hand society has dealt them. But when it comes to These kids, we have to stop stopping at the violence. We have to stop running away from our collective responsibility in how a world was shaped where shit like this can happen, even down to how we talk about it.

Why he gotta make it about himself lol

[Uncle]

I’m sure is frustrating that the media is white washing the guy (not that was unexpected, specially in Japan). But why discuss his political legacy in a way that, while critical, doesn’t sound unhinged or stupid.

Example:

Fuck this guy. Grandpa was a CIA backed war criminal and Shinzo Abe is a far right nationalist war crimes denier. Japan has effectively been a one party (far right) state for the majority of post WW2. Rest in piss.

I get what he was trying to say (CIA backed a conservative US friendly government during PostWar Japan because commies, Abe’s grandfather was a monster), but at first I thought he was saying that the CIA was backing the guy to do war crimes during Imperial Japan. 

taking something different from this post

Japan has effectively been a one party (far right) state for the majority of post WW2. Rest in piss.

hasn't Japan been a pretty cool place for most of that time? bastion of technological progress, minimum crime rate, model state?

I'm always confused by how often people accidentally make the argument that the "far right" has done a lot of good for the world

like they also constantly say shit like "ackchewally there is no 'leftism' in the US, even the most left-leaning people are just center compared to europe"

and I'm like well shit dawg doesn't that mean you can attribute every positive thing that happens in the US to the center or right? the US really ranks quite high on LGBT acceptance on a global scale, I wasn't aware that conservatives were so tolerant and wonderful

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-appreciation-thread.147998/page-15#post-89743662

Yeah. There was a reason she was one of the people who survived Channel Awesome melting down on itself, and it's a tragedy she's gone. There really are people out there whose only joy in life seems to come from ripping other people to shreds.

[HaughtyFrank]

Yes, but you're arguing hindsight here. Hindsight doesn't matter to the point.

The point PrivateWHudson was making, if I'm not mistaken, is that he also engaged in dumb, reckless behavior as a kid that could have resulted in someone dying.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/post-89743911

Hold the fucking phone, this is suddenly an okay excuse? There have been a million threads regarding some teenager using a slur and the common response was "Well I didn't say any slurs when I was a kid, age is no excuse"

but now, when kids literally hunt down an old man and kill him Royalan feels sympathetic to "we all did some stupid things when we were young"?

He and Nepenthe are straight up disgusting in that thread

[Clockwork5]

I live in Philly too and I would never waste that much breath talking about this shithole. Nobody is talking about the roaming packs of children murdering old men, because we expect shit like that to happen. No one is surprised, no one is outraged. No one cares.

 

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/itsmukil/status/1545482656854441984

[Mostima]

These people get more upset over people asking for pc/console ports on a message board than literal murder.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-comey-and-andrew-mccabe-got-random-irs-audits-because-they-were-randomly-selected.605142/#post-89747796

The guy that helped along the 'but her emails!' bs? Fuck him. Have fun, irs.

I get the overarching concern...but If his tax shit is in order, he's got nothing to worry about...so random selection it is, then

In the op

Mr. Comey's audit, which lasted over a year, revealed that he and his wife, Patrice Comey, had overpaid their 2017 federal income taxes. They received a $347 refund.

[Boredfrom]

Y'all didn't even call the Uvalde shooter an animal. Time and time again y'all turn on and dehumanize Black mistakes and criminality in a way you just don't do for other folks. You're not allies.

RIP Mr. Lambert. You didn't deserve what happened to you.

You are such a pice of shit. You are fucking lucky every one  there is shit scare to losing their account of being labeled a racist to call you out.

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/beyonderspidey/status/1545701102704009216

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

$44 for a copy of Captain Marvel?

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-comey-and-andrew-mccabe-got-random-irs-audits-because-they-were-randomly-selected.605142/#post-89747796

The guy that helped along the 'but her emails!' bs? Fuck him. Have fun, irs.

I get the overarching concern...but If his tax shit is in order, he's got nothing to worry about...so random selection it is, then

In the op

Mr. Comey's audit, which lasted over a year, revealed that he and his wife, Patrice Comey, had overpaid their 2017 federal income taxes. They received a $347 refund.

So basically Mr. Trump gave Mr. Comey a big beautiful bonus to buy something nice for Ms. Comey and he went to the press to complain. Can you believe this guy fellas?

[VomKriege]

These memes are hilarious, but we really don't need to give Peterson any oxygen at all.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Y'all didn't even call the Uvalde shooter an animal. Time and time again y'all turn on and dehumanize Black mistakes and criminality in a way you just don't do for other folks. You're not allies.

RIP Mr. Lambert. You didn't deserve what happened to you.

You are such a pice of shit. You are fucking lucky every one  there is shit scare to losing their account of being labeled a racist to call you out.

In these types of situations I believe the family of the deceased should be given a range of punishment options and they should be the ones to choose.

Royalan

And that is truly barbaric.

I bet he wouldn't say that if the teens were white

Beating an old man to death is barbaric.

Who is responsible for these kids? These kids are out at 2:30 in the morning walking around.

You never walked around late at night while hanging out with friends? This is the least shocking thing to me from the whole story

As a teen fuck no.

I dont really get why the kids should be treated lightly as it seems some think? Like I was an ass as a kid same as anyone. I drank, smoked, shifted weed etc. I never felt the need to randomly attack an old person let alone kill them. Like that was far beyond normal behaviour.

[HaughtyFrank]

So gullible

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-has-been-suspended-from-twitter-after-backing-out-of-buyout-deal.605811/

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Rationalizing the death of 72-year-old James Lambert at the hands of those teens might be a new low for Era.

[VomKriege]

So gullible

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-has-been-suspended-from-twitter-after-backing-out-of-buyout-deal.605811/

I don't get the logic of believing Twitter will ban Musk for exiting the buyout deal. That's insanely petty, not justified by anything in the terms of service even if you stretch it and would reflect terribly.
Violating some confidential info by tweeting it, perhaps, but that's totally different.

[Taco Bell Tower]

So gullible

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-has-been-suspended-from-twitter-after-backing-out-of-buyout-deal.605811/

Don't use Tweets as a news source, seriously.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Rationalizing the death of 72-year-old James Lambert at the hands of those teens might be a new low for Era.

Stuff like this really bothers me. Why do this? What could possibly be the reason?

Hopelessness fed by generational poverty and racism.

James is Black.

[clothedmacuser]

Royalan

I can't get down with this.




I watch this video, and I see a Lord of the Flies moment in real-time. What I don't see is the same ragtag group of murderers set out with the intent to kill that so many in here are insistent on seeing. And so, I will not use the same language to describe these kids that I would use to describe a ragtag group of murderers set out with the intent of kill. Because THOSE people exist. They're not a fictional archetype. There are cold-blooded killers in this world. We see evidence of this in threads posted on this site damn near weekly. This language should be reserved for them. Because when we use this language, and we start to see these kids (who went too far in some shit they shouldn't have been doing in the first place, which resulted in the death of a man, and yes THEY DESERVE CONSEQUENCES I will repeat) as no different than people who truly do revel and gloat over the idea of killing people, then we create the environment for every kid (and it is not inconsequential that these kids are Black) engaging in any level of illegality to be viewed and thus punished in this same light. We see this same language used to describe the origin of the fear of Black boy shot for stealing a soft drink from a convenience store.
This shit is all connected.

And that's not to trivialize what happened to James Lambert -- his life was stolen by a group of kids who absolutely deserve to be brought to justice despite the hand society has dealt them. But when it comes to These kids, we have to stop stopping at the violence. We have to stop running away from our collective responsibility in how a world was shaped where shit like this can happen, even down to how we talk about it.

Why he gotta make it about himself lol

 

Justifies the murder by saying it's just like Lord of the Flies?  Imagine the lawyer, "It's not that bad, it's just like A Clockwork Orange"

In these types of situations I believe the family of the deceased should be given a range of punishment options and they should be the ones to choose.

This is a horrible idea though

And that is truly barbaric.

    Since when?  These guys float that idea all the time.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-3-year-old-just-asked-alexa-to-play-their-favorite-song-london-bridge-is-falling-down-only-to-be-greeted-by-oh-shit.605835/

Which was also my reaction.

Stupid science algorithm can't even understand toddler talk.

 

[Polident Hive]

I live in Philly too and I would never waste that much breath talking about this shithole. Nobody is talking about the roaming packs of children murdering old men, because we expect shit like that to happen. No one is surprised, no one is outraged. No one cares.

 

During a zoom chat with a collaborator living in Philadelphia, he nonchalantly talked about his car getting shot while driving home one day. As if it’s a flat tire, he’s talking about the inconvenience of getting it fixed. The random people shooting at you didn’t register as an unusual occurrence.

[ShutUp]

These teenagers (who they otherwise say are old enough to know EXACTLY what they are doing) laughed while they beat a 72 year old man to death. But suddenly its a “black mistake” and it’s what happens to them as a punishment that’s barbaric, not THE TEENS WHO LAUGHED WHILE MURDERING A MAN that’s barbaric. Suddenly we should be looking for ways to rehabilitate them. Era had their way, serial killers would all be roaming the streets.

Fuck each and every single one of you hypocritical, monstrous pieces of shit who justify this murder. And the thread being just a pathetic 4 pages? Incredibly predictable.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/page-4#post-89753988

"Put them under the jail"

You can really tell those in here who have been completely insulated from our sorry excuse for a criminal justice system. Out of sight, out of mind. We already damn enough people to that inhumane meat grinder. These kids have likely been failed more than enough by the system and those primarily responsible deserve a chance at rehabilitation This is just a depressing situation all around.

[HaughtyFrank]

Just like racists all they see is race. If those kids were white (or "white adjacent") Nepenthe and co. wouldn't say shit in their defense and permaban anyone who'd try to make an argument that downplays what they did

[ShutUp]

That's what gangsters on tv and cops say. Oh, and eye for an eye bible thumpers. Next I'll be hearing shoot them all and let god sort them out.

Era constantly says shit like this. Guess your all cops and bible thumpers. 

I’m getting some serious tonal whiplash reading these responses. Whiplash for the second time in two days after watching Thor yesterday can’t be a good thing.

[NekoFever]

https://twitter.com/itsmukil/status/1545482656854441984

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/being-an-immigrant-in-canada-is-great-but-man-i-hate-that-so-many-government-agencies-and-even-my-university-just-try-to-change-my-last-name-lol.605850/#post-89754495

so what IS your last name?

I've literally had to file a restraining order against a stalker and changed my Era account before so uh I'd rather not?

Imagine using your real name on Ree

[ShutUp]

Yeah I noticed Marvel’s mightiest internet defender was in overdrive in that thread 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://twitter.com/itsmukil/status/1545482656854441984

(Image removed from quote.)

 

Honestly surprised to see so many people here liked this. Feels like an Obi Wan situation to where no matter What state this movie is in, you all love the MCU so much that you all were hype enough to love whatever was shown on the screen.

User Banned (3 Days): Hostility toward another member

sorry for linking things,im gonna go and be a salty dickhead now and tell people not to like this movie ! thanks

[ShutUp]

Hardcore Marvel fans using the Bay Transformers defense now. Never thought I’d see the day 

[Uncle]

In these types of situations I believe the family of the deceased should be given a range of punishment options and they should be the ones to choose.

This is a horrible idea though

And that is truly barbaric.

    Since when?  These guys float that idea all the time.

imagine the family is handed a menu

"alright family, your perp committed manslaughter which qualifies them for everything above this red line, let me know when you've made a selection.  If you were to ask me, I'd recommend the solitary confinement, it doesn't last as long as forced labor but has longer-term psychological effects"

"thank you baliff, we'll go with the #3"

"excellent choice sir"

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lindsay-ellis-appreciation-thread.147998/page-15#post-89743662

Yeah. There was a reason she was one of the people who survived Channel Awesome melting down on itself, and it's a tragedy she's gone. There really are people out there whose only joy in life seems to come from ripping other people to shreds.

It piss me off that Lindsay is still wary of calling what happened to her a cancellation. She has big ass audience in those circles that at least some could reflect about it and actually try to change attitude. But no, she is “HURRR HURRR IM WAS NOT CANCELLED DONT LEAVE ME BREAD TUBE”. This just reinforces the dissonance in assholes like the ones at RE.

She is intelligent enough to understand this, so this is just her being a cynic disingenuous cunt.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thor-love-and-thunder-reviews.604104/page-19#post-89755704

Man, I don't think I've seen this much divisiveness for a big blockbuster since... a certain Rian Johnson movie was released.

 

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thor-love-and-thunder-reviews.604104/page-19#post-89755704

Man, I don't think I've seen this much divisiveness for a big blockbuster since... a certain Rian Johnson movie was released.

 

Doesn't seem like much divisiveness to me. The vast majority seem to be underwhelmed.

But enough about The Last Jedi 

[Polident Hive]

Hardcore Marvel fans using the Bay Transformers defense now. Never thought I’d see the day 

These guys are drinking Heineken and calling it Gout De Diamants. Bay Transformers fans knew they were shotgunning PBR. Get blasted. Listen to faint on loop. Play Halo 3. Kiss the bros in a hetero way. Nervously change the subject to whether you’d rather score with Alba or Biel. Good old days.

[Propagandhim]

  I also have to point out my own lived experience; I'm born and raised in South Central/Inglewood California. I know what a group of kids hanging out after hours and looking to get into trouble but not looking to kill anybody looks like. This looks more like that, and to be clear pointing that out is not erasing culpability.

This guy is something else.  "My lived experience".   

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/page-5#post-89756547
Royalan

So you understand my thought process, I'm assuming that they'd talked about it previously. I'll readily allow that there's a mix of passive and active participants, with one obvious aggressor (that might also be the ringleader and planner), and a host of kids on the spectrum of participation. I agree entirely that there are varying levels of culpability, with the aggressor at the most culpable end. I understand and appreciate the argument that using the same language towards each member of the group erases these differences.

I would say that here is where we actually differ. Because I look at this video and I just don't see the signs of a premeditated murder, or the idea that they discussed this at all beforehand. First off, these are teenagers. It's frankly going to take a lot for me leap to the assumption that this particular group of kids met at night to kill this particular man. To me, there are just too many signs of otherwise. Why are there several kids who look surprised, aren't participating, or just visibly shocked by what's happening? Why are the actual aggressors' weapon of choice a set of traffic cones? I also have to point out my own lived experience; I'm born and raised in South Central/Inglewood California. I know what a group of kids hanging out after hours and looking to get into trouble but not looking to kill anybody looks like. This looks more like that, and to be clear pointing that out is not erasing culpability. If their intent were just to roughhouse this old man that's still fucked up and wrong. These kids are going to feel the consequences of what they were a part of for years to come, both legally and (hopefully) within their own conscience, as they should. And I feel so sad for James Lambert, his family, his community and anybody who knew him.

I think you and I agree with that part. But if your thought process is that this was premeditated, then it's not surprising to me that you arrived at the conclusion that they're irredeemable. I can't honestly say I'd arrive at irredeemable myself if my thought process were the same...but I'd be pretty close.

However, if the overt aggressor kid rounded up his friends to jump someone, pointed out Lambert to the group, and initiated the attack, that's cold-blooded killing to me. I would place that child in the same universe of killers as you mention. There are others (e.g., the shocked-looking girl) who definitely went too far in some shit she shouldn't have been doing.

Respectfully, I can't agree with this. Of course, we cannot gloss over the fact that a man is dead. No matter how much anybody (including myself) tries contextualizing the actions of these kids, there can be no ignoring that their actions resulted in someone's murder. But even still, I can't in good conscience compare this incident to, as has been mentioned, the Uvaldi killer. That's an animal, that's barbaric to me. The man who got into a car, drove to a Buffalo NY grocery store, and shot down elderly black shoppers with an AR15 that had the word "distinguished black fellows" written on it, that's irredeemable to me. We've seen what it looks like when people intentionally set out to kill, and that does not look like this. That does not look like a group of kids who all jump with shock at whatever happened at 0:59.

And making that distinction is no small deal, imo. Because we have evidence that when we allow language that should be reserved for actual cold-blooded killers to be passed down, it continues to be passed down. And that's not a toothless slippery slope argument. I know what it's like to be a young Black kid afraid to slip up because you'll instantly be compared to the worst society has to offer, because so many people inherently see that potential in you. It's why it's so damn hard to prioritize true criminal justice and prison reform in this country, because too many people (including people on the left as this thread has gloriously demonstrated) fail to understand why we should throw resources behind measures that are only going to help "animals" in waiting.

If we want solutions, we have to constantly be vigilant about how we engage with the problems.

What do you think is a better way to more fairly and precisely describe actions along each node in this spectrum, without contributing to the hateful rhetoric that bleeds over into the rest of society? Do we simply say that the overt aggressor kid (and maybe some of the more active participants) committed a homicide, and the other children were accessories? Can we say that the aggressor's actions were monstrous? Say that he was a monster? Offer a prognosis on his potential rehabilitation (at least after we find out if he's remorseful at all)?

I think a useful change would be to stop looking for reasons to call these kids monsters. Stop looking for reasons to lump these kids into one group, and start treating violence of the sort we see here as a symptom and owning our part in how we've failed these kids. Because if we don't do that, then the prison reform debate won't ever matter, because prison will continue to be the place we're sending inner-city kids by truckload.

How can we talk about it better?

I wish I had a better answer for you. I just know how we shouldn't talk about it.

Kyuuji

Just want to say I appreciate your posts and perspective here Royalan. I don't feel like they can be absolved of blame for their actions, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to understand and address why it happened. What led to some of these kids being at the point where they see an old man and they want to repeatedly go at him with a traffic cone, and then mock and laugh about it in the aftermath. There will be answers, but they require someone to care enough to want to look for them and understand them.