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[BIONIC]

Great thread for anyone who had any doubts about Ree being an incel hate pit. Just look at all the qualifiers they use before launching their attacks

Indeed. Anyone who disparages Die Hard is most definitely an incel.

[Nintex]

[clothedmacuser]

Reee is like Sarah Sherman in this SNL bit.



She's the president of the Peppa Pig fan club and she's upset about the new gay characters. She seems to know a lot about homosexual acts for somebody that's against it. Che asks why she knows so much about it. She replies...

"I Googled it, I spent all day Googling all this stuff, because it's sick!!!"

Now I when read ZeroVag and Messy type posts I can't help but see Sarah waving her arms with her bugged out eyes and panicked voice.

It's very neat how Free Speech went from a liberal ideal to a conservative one in 30 years. Now liberals have to pretend they never fought for it and conservatives have to pretend they were always for it.

[killamajig]

Reee is like Sarah Sherman in this SNL bit.



She's the president of the Peppa Pig fan club and she's upset about the new gay characters. She seems to know a lot about homosexual acts for somebody that's against it. Che asks why she knows so much about it. She replies...

"I Googled it, I spent all day Googling all this stuff, because it's sick!!!"

Now I when read ZeroVag and Messy type posts I can't help but see Sarah waving her arms with her bugged out eyes and panicked voice.

It's very neat how Free Speech went from a liberal ideal to a conservative one in 30 years. Now liberals have to pretend they never fought for it and conservatives have to pretend they were always for it.

As an old liberal I remember when we used to say "I don't agree with what you said but I'll defend your right to say it." Oh boy, that shit don't fly now in some progressive circles.

I suppose I shouldn't call myself liberal anymore. I still watch Red Letter Media. Supposedly that makes me right wing by some transitive property.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/

 

[Snoopycat_]

Indeed. Anyone who disparages Die Hard is most definitely an incel.

That’s how they lure people in. They start out with innocent sounding questions like “Is Alien sci fi or horror?” The unaware don’t understand what’s happening and before they know it they’ve been indoctrinated into thinking Die Hard is an Easter movie

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2022-fifa-world-cup-ot-qatarstrophe.655977/page-604#post-97913884
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/2022-fifa-world-cup-ot-qatarstrophe.655977/page-671#post-97966951

User Banned (2 Weeks): Gendered Slur

Fuck Mbappe and his laughing ass face. Bottle job, he was shit tonight, try play in a real league you pussy

Fucking hell these people are idiots. Pussy, as an insult, refers to pussy cat, not vagina. God they're stupid.

[Vertigo]

Are we accusing Jason effin' Schreier of being a Sony fanboy now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-latest-update-ms-has-reportedly-offered-sony-the-right-to-put-cod-on-ps.633344/page-275#post-98111944

Yes, yes we are. Why are Ree clutching their pearls and acting as if he doesn’t lean more towards Sony in his preferences. Same With Dring over at Games industry.biz 

They don't even try and hide it.

[Potato]

Reee is like Sarah Sherman in this SNL bit.



She's the president of the Peppa Pig fan club and she's upset about the new gay characters. She seems to know a lot about homosexual acts for somebody that's against it. Che asks why she knows so much about it. She replies...

"I Googled it, I spent all day Googling all this stuff, because it's sick!!!"

Now I when read ZeroVag and Messy type posts I can't help but see Sarah waving her arms with her bugged out eyes and panicked voice.

It's very neat how Free Speech went from a liberal ideal to a conservative one in 30 years. Now liberals have to pretend they never fought for it and conservatives have to pretend they were always for it.

Gives you a good idea about who is, and was, controlling the public discourse in certain eras though, doesn't it?

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/

 

That thread went from "I never knew about this."  too accusations of orientalism, bans and thread closure in typical Reee fashion

[Hap Shaughnessy]

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Wrong scene. That is where Gruber kills Takagi. Ellis is killed in Holly's office. 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/

 

Locking this thread to review reports and posts.

[HaughtyFrank]

How are we cool with people calling each other fucking morons on here? I'm all for respectfully educating folks who are making biased or uninformed assumptions, but straight up attacks? Gross. Grateful I remembered the ignore function exists.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/post-98039437
User Warned: Trone Policing; Hostility

Somehow saying that you shouldn't call people "fucking morons" gets a warning for tone policing and hostility while the post that calls people "fucking morons" is completely fine 

[Raist]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/page-3#post-98039437

User Warned: Trone Policing; Hostility

Avatar checks out.

[Joe Molotov]

How are we cool with people calling each other fucking morons on here? I'm all for respectfully educating folks who are making biased or uninformed assumptions, but straight up attacks? Gross. Grateful I remembered the ignore function exists.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/post-98039437
User Warned: Trone Policing; Hostility

Somehow saying that you shouldn't call people "fucking morons" gets a warning for tone policing and hostility while the post that calls people "fucking morons" is completely fine 

ACAB, even Tone Police.

[BIONIC]

How are we cool with people calling each other fucking morons on here? I'm all for respectfully educating folks who are making biased or uninformed assumptions, but straight up attacks? Gross. Grateful I remembered the ignore function exists.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/post-98039437
User Warned: Trone Policing; Hostility

Somehow saying that you shouldn't call people "fucking morons" gets a warning for tone policing and hostility while the post that calls people "fucking morons" is completely fine 

That Nocturne fellow on the first page 

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More like

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[Potato]

How are we cool with people calling each other fucking morons on here? I'm all for respectfully educating folks who are making biased or uninformed assumptions, but straight up attacks? Gross. Grateful I remembered the ignore function exists.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/south-korea-is-making-every-citizen-a-year-younger.663868/post-98039437
User Warned: Trone Policing; Hostility

Somehow saying that you shouldn't call people "fucking morons" gets a warning for tone policing and hostility while the post that calls people "fucking morons" is completely fine 

Only mods can tone police (ACAB) on Reeeeesetera

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dictionary-com’s-word-of-the-year-is-‘woman’.664489/
What can go wrong

[ShutUp]

They got a new Witcher 3 OT up for the new update and no mention of the millions CDPR has helped slaughter in the trans wars 

[Nintex]

The other words on Dictionary.com's shortlist also provide a snapshot of the past year, with the Ukraine flag emoji, "inflation," "quiet quitting," "democracy" and "Wordle" as contenders.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dictionary-com’s-word-of-the-year-is-‘woman’.664489/
What can go wrong

1 reply. No one touching that shit until one of the protected members set the tone 

[jorma]

The other words on Dictionary.com's shortlist also provide a snapshot of the past year, with the Ukraine flag emoji, "inflation," "quiet quitting," "democracy" and "Wordle" as contenders.

do they also state that their dictionary isn't the final authority on what "inflation" means like they did with "woman"? 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-latest-update-ms-has-reportedly-offered-sony-the-right-to-put-cod-on-ps.633344/page-274#post-98110915

I feel bad for MS here. Such shitty timing. Of course they have to go through this when FTC right now is full of hick clowns.

I've heard Lina Khan speak, and she does not come off as a "hick clown".

This is post can pretty much sum up this thread at times. (When Idas is not active or no new articles)

If anyone has any recommendations of another forum with a thread that is talking about this deal from a neutral perspective, I'd really appreciate it. Pm me if you prefer. I'll still be around here to read posts from Idas and a few others, and to ask questions.

[killamajig]

Comrade B-dumbs, we need The General Line of the Party from the Central Committee on this Word of the Year.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Resetera: Respect artists. Fuck AI art.

For commercial art (like my avatar, which is from a video game) I'd happily change it if the artist says they don't want it being used.

I'm really not trying to call you out here, but in a very real sense the artist has explicitly said they don't want it being used in this way when they sold exclusive rights to (or completed the work for hire for) the publisher/dev/whoever is the current rights holder.

Please do call me out. The developer is Treasure, publisher is Sega. Please point me to where they say they don't want people using Sega characters as avatars.

If you're in the US, my understanding is that this EULA applies. I believe the relevant part is:

DUPLICATION, COPYING OR ANY FORM OF REPRODUCTION OF THE PRODUCT OR RELATED INFORMATION OR MATERIALS TO ANY OTHER SERVER OR LOCATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF ANY OTHER FORM OF REPRODUCTION OR ANY FORM OF DISTRIBUTION IS EXPRESSLY AND EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED, except where permitted by law. All rights not specifically granted under this Agreement are hereby reserved by SEGA and, as applicable, by its licensors.

But none of that matters; copyright is automatically applied to all work (in the US). They don't have to state anywhere that you're not allowed to use it; as soon as the work is created the artist has the right to limit its use.

lol I didn't think you'd actually bother to go dig up the EULA, all while ignoring any other comments thrown your way. You really are dedicated to distracting from artists having legitimate concerns about their art being used without permission in a commercially sold video game.
While the wording in the user agreements is the usual legal spiel, Sega has generally had a nice unsaid agreement with fans to use what they want as long as it's not making money, including fan games that end up being better than some official products. They've only taken legal action against a small number that flew too close to the sun, so to speak. They don't care about avatars, they have no reason to care about avatars, and you're wasting everybody's time.
Hell, this is the same company that lets people upload actual for real modded roms on Steam. Many of which would be totally against the EULA you just posted.

Again, if you feel like pointing me to somewhere where Sega or anybody associated with this game doesn't want their art being used for free as an avatar, please share.

   

Lots of other great stuff in this thread, but that was my favorite convo.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai-art-is-now-in-games.664342/

[BIONIC]

Comrade B-dumbs, we need The General Line of the Party from the Central Committee on this Word of the Year.

B-Chuds’ word of the year is the same as every year.

Hint: it starts with the letter ‘N’

Answer:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nintex

[close]

[Taco Bell Tower]

Are we accusing Jason effin' Schreier of being a Sony fanboy now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-latest-update-ms-has-reportedly-offered-sony-the-right-to-put-cod-on-ps.633344/page-275#post-98111944

Yes, yes we are. Why are Ree clutching their pearls and acting as if he doesn’t lean more towards Sony in his preferences. Same With Dring over at Games industry.biz 

They don't even try and hide it.

User Banned (2 Weeks): Previously warned for accusations of journalistic bias, and a history platform warring

Ehm…he is a Sony fanboy.

How in the world people like you are not permabanned from this website already? Just yesterday you accused Chris Dring to be a Sony fanboy because he mocked a well known Xbox fanboy and now you're saying another respectable journalist is too. Can't you stand the idea that not everyone will gives a pass to whatever shit Xbox does?

[Vertigo]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-latest-update-ms-has-reportedly-offered-sony-the-right-to-put-cod-on-ps.633344/page-274#post-98110915

I feel bad for MS here. Such shitty timing. Of course they have to go through this when FTC right now is full of hick clowns.

I've heard Lina Khan speak, and she does not come off as a "hick clown".

This is post can pretty much sum up this thread at times. (When Idas is not active or no new articles)

If anyone has any recommendations of another forum with a thread that is talking about this deal from a neutral perspective, I'd really appreciate it. Pm me if you prefer. I'll still be around here to read posts from Idas and a few others, and to ask questions.

That poster is hilarious they’ve been SDF since the neogaf days

[HaughtyFrank]

B-chops reaction to Iran executing protestors:

Is it really this hard not to be a huge asshole?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/iran-turns-to-public-executions-enraging-an-already-protesting-public.664219/

[Nintex]

At this point MS needs Actiblizz more than Actiblizz needs them 

[Boredfrom]

B-chops reaction to Iran executing protestors:

Is it really this hard not to be a huge asshole?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/iran-turns-to-public-executions-enraging-an-already-protesting-public.664219/

Thordison is such a fucking dumbass:

You have to consider that Iran is not a democracy. The government don't have much choice if they want to keep their power. The protest show no signs of stopping. They tried saying they would review their laws. They would obviously never actually go through with any real changes. If they had gone through with such a major reform because of protests, they would have shown the people of Iran that protests work and that the people have actual power. That's not good for a authoritarian regime.

We’ve seen massive crackdowns in democracies as well. These things can and do happen in democracies.

Fuck the regime and I hope the people get what they want.

 

What it has to do with what the dude said?

“Iran is not a democracy”

“ Ackchyually  this happens in democracies. [ citation needed ] “

Yes because random protestors get put to death all the time in America. How you gonna draw a comparison between this shit and anything else, what a joke.

I didn’t specifically say America. America isn’t all democracies and not all democracies are equal.

In America, they don’t get a trial. Cops just murder folks on the streets for less.

This isn’t about America. I was just pointing out that a country being a democracy doesn’t prevent these sorts of horrific acts from happening.

  Holy shit. 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-attacks-palestinians-celebrating-morocco-world-cup-win-in-jerusalem.663550/#post-97980493

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive Commentary

Obviously not a fan of Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories but those videos don’t show anything clear.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-attacks-palestinians-celebrating-morocco-world-cup-win-in-jerusalem.663550/#post-97985011

User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying violence and oppression, inflammatory comparison, and account in junior phase

Seeing as somehow Moroccans riot in European city's after each victory, this might be the same thing with riot police in action.

[Boredfrom]

The WBDC Vs MarvelStarWarsDisney is getting fucking stupid:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patty-jenkins-puts-out-a-statement-regarding-wonder-woman-3-and-rogue-squadron.664549/#post-98136829

Great directors can make bad films.

Not WW84 levels of bad. Makes you question her ability to direct.

Dude, you guys cap for the Wachowskies…

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/god-of-war-2018-and-ragnarok-do-not-address-what-kratos-did-in-the-prior-games-gow-2018-and-ragnarok-spoilers.664354/page-7#post-98118925

User banned (1 week): Trolling over a series of posts. Hostility.

it’s become very clear to me over time that s lot of people here take offense at the idea of bad people trying to be better and become better people, and really just want justified targets who can be used to vent their bloodlust and hate without them having to feel guilty. They want bad people to suffer, not because it serves any actual purpose, but just because they derive satisfaction by seeing people they don’t like suffer but want an excuse for why it’s not bad. And while you could argue this would be fine if it was limited to fictional bad guys, it’s really clear this absolutely paints their ideas on real life justice systems when you read death penalty threads here

Well

1. Fuck off lmao

2. My avatar is literally Princess Carolyn

3. It's incredible to write this after Ragnarok makes sure to kill off as many of the bad guys as possible (in ways as flattering as possible to Kratos and Atreus) instead of redeeming them as that would be awkward story-wise.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/happy-99th-birthday-bob-barker.664561/#post-98136694

Didn't Janice, Dian, Kathleen and Holly (others I'm forgetting?) all leave the show because of various forms of sexual harassment from Barker?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-attacks-palestinians-celebrating-morocco-world-cup-win-in-jerusalem.663550/#post-97980493

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive Commentary [/bn]

Obviously not a fan of Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories but those videos don’t show anything clear.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-attacks-palestinians-celebrating-morocco-world-cup-win-in-jerusalem.663550/#post-97985011

User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying violence and oppression, inflammatory comparison, and account in junior phase

Seeing as somehow Moroccans riot in European city's after each victory, this might be the same thing with riot police in action.

RustyNails and his gang are bunch of hypocrites:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/longtime-football-sportswriter-grant-wahl-died-in-qatar-covering-the-world-cup-wahl’s-brother-believes-he-has-been-murdered.663244/page-4#post-97927384

His wife has liked a bunch of Tweets offering condolences, but has also liked the main Tweet suggesting foul play. I know it is bad to jump to "it was murder," but two family members have public done so before anyone in this thread did.

I think we should give the family some space to grieve and not read anything into it.

And yes, healthy people die as well. Let's wait for more facts.

 

Imagine this was a Palestine family saying Israel killed their child intentionally in their last raid.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/god-of-war-2018-and-ragnarok-do-not-address-what-kratos-did-in-the-prior-games-gow-2018-and-ragnarok-spoilers.664354/page-7#post-98118925

User banned (1 week): Trolling over a series of posts. Hostility.

it’s become very clear to me over time that s lot of people here take offense at the idea of bad people trying to be better and become better people, and really just want justified targets who can be used to vent their bloodlust and hate without them having to feel guilty. They want bad people to suffer, not because it serves any actual purpose, but just because they derive satisfaction by seeing people they don’t like suffer but want an excuse for why it’s not bad. And while you could argue this would be fine if it was limited to fictional bad guys, it’s really clear this absolutely paints their ideas on real life justice systems when you read death penalty threads here

Well

1. Fuck off lmao

2. My avatar is literally Princess Carolyn

3. It's incredible to write this after Ragnarok makes sure to kill off as many of the bad guys as possible (in ways as flattering as possible to Kratos and Atreus) instead of redeeming them as that would be awkward story-wise.

He deserves a PermaBan. He has always been an idiot since Gaf days. Also is obvious he uses the forum to vent about media he doesn’t approve and to shit on people that enjoy it.

[HaughtyFrank]

Yes because random protestors get put to death all the time in America. How you gonna draw a comparison between this shit and anything else, what a joke.

I didn’t specifically say America. America isn’t all democracies and not all democracies are equal.

In America, they don’t get a trial. Cops just murder folks on the streets for less.

This isn’t about America. I was just pointing out that a country being a democracy doesn’t prevent these sorts of horrific acts from happening.

  Holy shit. 

Not the first time I've seen people say something like this and it's so weirdly delusional. Yes, the US has a big problem with police violence but this does not mean that some power hungry cop is suddenly as bad as an authoritarian regime which has killed hundreds during this protest and is now publicly executing protesters.

I get the impression that they actually wish the US was this fascist empire because then all their larping wouldn't just be make pretend anymore

[Polident Hive]

The WBDC Vs MarvelStarWarsDisney is getting fucking stupid:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patty-jenkins-puts-out-a-statement-regarding-wonder-woman-3-and-rogue-squadron.664549/#post-98136829

Great directors can make bad films.

Not WW84 levels of bad. Makes you question her ability to direct.

Dude, you guys cap for the Wachowskies…

It’s something how before they looped back around to sexist, there was an accepted wisdom about women filmmakers have fewer opportunities to slip up before the system shunned them. In Jenkins case, she had an acclaimed movie that got Charlize Theron an Oscar, and didn’t get another opportunity for a decade. She continued working on TV, doing Arrested Development and others. WW coming about was its own story, but it was successful by most metrics. The sequel came around in a weird spot with COVID and HBO Max launching, quality aside. And again, it’s back to burn the witch for slipping up. It’s not just a DC hate thing. Nerds were vicious about Chloe Zhao’s Marvel movie, and she came off winning an Oscar.

And I’m not saying people who flop shouldn’t get opportunities. I’m one of the weirdos who liked the last Matrix. I’m grateful for del Toro’s whole career. Just saying, it’s something.

[benjipwns]

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Wrong scene. That is where Gruber kills Takagi. Ellis is killed in Holly's office. 

Fact checking Nintex's propaganda.

[ShutUp]

From that Patty Jenkins incel thread

What would Wonder Woman do?”

Your Wonder Woman joined the IDF. I don’t want to do what your Wonder Woman did.

Yes,  stupid. As all young Israelis must do for two years. They literally don’t have a choice.

[benjipwns]

Resetera: Respect artists. Fuck AI art.

If you're in the US, my understanding is that this EULA applies. I believe the relevant part is:

DUPLICATION, COPYING OR ANY FORM OF REPRODUCTION OF THE PRODUCT OR RELATED INFORMATION OR MATERIALS TO ANY OTHER SERVER OR LOCATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF ANY OTHER FORM OF REPRODUCTION OR ANY FORM OF DISTRIBUTION IS EXPRESSLY AND EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED, except where permitted by law. All rights not specifically granted under this Agreement are hereby reserved by SEGA and, as applicable, by its licensors.

But none of that matters; copyright is automatically applied to all work (in the US). They don't have to state anywhere that you're not allowed to use it; as soon as the work is created the artist has the right to limit its use.

lol I didn't think you'd actually bother to go dig up the EULA, all while ignoring any other comments thrown your way. You really are dedicated to distracting from artists having legitimate concerns about their art being used without permission in a commercially sold video game.
While the wording in the user agreements is the usual legal spiel, Sega has generally had a nice unsaid agreement with fans to use what they want as long as it's not making money, including fan games that end up being better than some official products. They've only taken legal action against a small number that flew too close to the sun, so to speak. They don't care about avatars, they have no reason to care about avatars, and you're wasting everybody's time.
Hell, this is the same company that lets people upload actual for real modded roms on Steam. Many of which would be totally against the EULA you just posted.

Again, if you feel like pointing me to somewhere where Sega or anybody associated with this game doesn't want their art being used for free as an avatar, please share.

Lots of other great stuff in this thread, but that was my favorite convo.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai-art-is-now-in-games.664342/

Someone (on either side of the conversation) learning about the difference between copyright and trademark and license agreements and free use may help improve this discussion.

I get the impression that they actually wish the US was this fascist empire because then all their larping wouldn't just be make pretend anymore

Their main objection would only be if the optics of the victims looks problematic by whatever terms they're on about at the moment. When has that forum ever complained about the state killing the "right" people? Even without trial? Not my favorite example but just one of the more obvious, look at the bloodlust they had over Rittenhouse not being put down immediately and then not being thrown in prison for life without trial.

[benjipwns]

From that Patty Jenkins incel thread

What would Wonder Woman do?”

Your Wonder Woman joined the IDF. I don’t want to do what your Wonder Woman did.

Yes,  stupid. As all young Israelis must do for two years. They literally don’t have a choice.

Also, "her Wonder Woman" didn't, the actor did because as you note, she had to. Literally calling for not casting any Israelis ever on the forum obsessed with representation.

[Polident Hive]

Even K-pop fans have a better grasp on the realities of mandatory military service.

[Potato]

Comrade B-dumbs, we need The General Line of the Party from the Central Committee on this Word of the Year.

B-Chuds’ word of the year is the same as every year.

Hint: it starts with the letter ‘N’

Answer:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nintex

[close]

Nagger?

As in, "All Resetera users are naggers who constantly report posts to the mods"?

[Potato]

Are we accusing Jason effin' Schreier of being a Sony fanboy now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-latest-update-ms-has-reportedly-offered-sony-the-right-to-put-cod-on-ps.633344/page-275#post-98111944

Yes, yes we are. Why are Ree clutching their pearls and acting as if he doesn’t lean more towards Sony in his preferences. Same With Dring over at Games industry.biz 

They don't even try and hide it.

User Banned (2 Weeks): Previously warned for accusations of journalistic bias, and a history platform warring

Ehm…he is a Sony fanboy.

How in the world people like you are not permabanned from this website already? Just yesterday you accused Chris Dring to be a Sony fanboy because he mocked a well known Xbox fanboy and now you're saying another respectable journalist is too. Can't you stand the idea that not everyone will gives a pass to whatever shit Xbox does?

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dictionary-com’s-word-of-the-year-is-‘woman’.664489/
What can go wrong

Lol, one solitary reply… I guess it didn’t go down well and nobody wanted to post for not knowing what the correct response would be.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Ree loathes women so of course they didn't commented lol

[Snoopycat_]

Obviously none of them could figure out what disclaimer to use before calling women privileged bitches

[Boredfrom]

The WBDC Vs MarvelStarWarsDisney is getting fucking stupid:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patty-jenkins-puts-out-a-statement-regarding-wonder-woman-3-and-rogue-squadron.664549/#post-98136829

Great directors can make bad films.

Not WW84 levels of bad. Makes you question her ability to direct.

Dude, you guys cap for the Wachowskies…

It’s something how before they looped back around to sexist, there was an accepted wisdom about women filmmakers have fewer opportunities to slip up before the system shunned them. In Jenkins case, she had an acclaimed movie that got Charlize Theron an Oscar, and didn’t get another opportunity for a decade. She continued working on TV, doing Arrested Development and others. WW coming about was its own story, but it was successful by most metrics. The sequel came around in a weird spot with COVID and HBO Max launching, quality aside. And again, it’s back to burn the witch for slipping up. It’s not just a DC hate thing. Nerds were vicious about Chloe Zhao’s Marvel movie, and she came off winning an Oscar.

And I’m not saying people who flop shouldn’t get opportunities. I’m one of the weirdos who liked the last Matrix. I’m grateful for del Toro’s whole career. Just saying, it’s something.

In RE case, they are particularly vicious with Wonder Woman and Patty Jenkins that I will say it is definitely a MarvelVSDC thing. The fact that WW84 shit the bed seems more like a justification to being more vicious about it while they don’t do the same with other worse directors (coughRussoBrotherscough).

I’m also a weirdo that likes the new Matrix, but I hardly call the film a masterpiece or transcendental transexual art like RE did.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-final-fantasy-vii-remake-will-end-with-a-canonical-relationship-cloud-x.664570/

A recent thread about how Across the Spider-Verse will feature

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Peter and MJ's child

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was met with the usual commentary about how the official source material, i.e. the comic books, have continued to keep Spider-Man as forever "young and single", having undone a 30 year married relationship with Mary Jane just so the writers have the freedom to write whatever hookup story they want.

Okay, so THIS time, Peter is going to date

(throws dart in the wall)

Storm, I guess! Yeah, that'll stick!

It's been both amusing and sad (very, very, very sad) how in literally every other media, from videogames to movies to cartoons to, uh, coloring books...has depicted Spider-Man and Mary Jane (or even variations such as MJ) as the one-stop de-facto relationship in the Spider-Man universe while the folks behind the comics utterly refuse to undo the most hated comic book storyline of all time. Even Gwen Stacy has been rebooted as the love interest of Miles Morales in the form of Spider-Gwen, and it is extremely doubtful that they will ever, EVER go back to original Gwen Stacy considering Spider-Gwen's popularity.

This got me thinking about Final Fantasy VII. Totally because of Crisis Core Reunion, and not because I...constantly...think about FFVII.

As much as some people are about to refute this with absolute fury and rage, it isn't a stretch to believe that Cloud and Tifa are unanimously considered the de-facto relationship in Final Fantasy VII among the fandom.

Even though the original game left things (sort of) up in the air, nearly every piece of media following it, from novels to OVAs to developer interviews to cameos in other games, have either bluntly stated or at least strongly hinted with Square Enix levels of subtlety that the two characters should be considered the final, canonical relationship.

Because having the camera zoom in on Tifa's "friendship ring" while she goes off about Cloud's self-loathing while pushing away his "family" is probably one of the most mature moments the FF series has ever tackled regarding relationships. And that's also pretty sad in retrospect.

Regardless of how other shippers feel, Cloud and Tifa are about as cemented as Spider-Man and Mary Jane as the de-facto pairing in the public consciousness as well as most media depictions.

But where does that leave Final Fantasy VII Remake? The first game is both a retelling of the original game but isn't afraid to deviate wildly, but at least this early on in the storyline we've got Cloud experiencing flirtatious advances from Tifa and Aerith (and even Jessie for good measure).

There is of course a lot of speculation on how things might get turned on its head, such as:

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Aerith possibly avoiding death this time

Or how Zack is seemingly alive in a parallel timeline, and might even reunite with Remake Aerith in the end

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But that's not what we're discussing in this thread. What we're discussing is whether or not we will get a canonical outcome, or if they'll decide to keep things vague and open for interpretation.

There is of course the factor of player choice, as in the original game it was up to the player to follow certain steps in order to achieve a more romantically-implied conversation between Cloud and Tifa during the climax of the game.

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They fucked. Like, really really fucked. The other characters may or may not have witnessed it.

Heh. Climax. Well done, Square.

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But with cutscenes costing more than the budget of the original game, there's only so much they can create to accommodate player choice. And with the Remake Trilogy being considered the "Final" Final Fantasy VII story (I don't believe that either, but let's humor them for now), I feel most fans would prefer a clear-cut outcome rather than leaving things vague and open just to appease all the shippers.

It's one of the things I hate about direct sequels to games like Persona, where they have to tip-toe around the relationship between the protagonist and all of the possible romantic choices. Same problem for games like Fire Emblem that allow you to create multiple pairings of multiple characters. Like the above criticism with Marvel Comics, keeping such important character progression as open-ended is only limiting your stories, not freeing them.

There's also the implied stigma of characters becoming couples in Japanese media, based on the secondhand info I read whenever it happens: it seems characters who are either already in a committed relationship or end up in one often fall in popularity, which is why a lot of Shonen Manga will wait until the last possible moment to have a main character end up with another, to which they tend time-skip so they can focus on the NEW and SINGLE protagonist, usually their child. Even Final Fantasy was guilty of this with their sequel to FFIV, whereas other sequels will usually have characters separate for contrived reasons.

Remember when Snow cancelled his wedding with Serah because reasons?

It's debatable if any of that will play a factor in their decisions for FFVII. I mainly brought it up because I remain convinced that the original plan for Advent Children was for Cloud and Tifa to be a married couple learning to not let their relationship be weighed down by their inner demons, but they chickened out in the end because of the above.

Regardless, I really and truly hope we get an actual canonical outcome by the time the Remake trilogy wraps up. I'll even put it in writing here that I would rather have Cloud end up with Aerith then going with the "it's up to interpretation/can't piss off the shippers" coward route, because it never works in my opinion.

Again, I want to reiterate that this thread isn't about WHO you want Cloud to end up with, but rather IF Square will commit to an outcome at all.

Very normal to write all this shit about…   video game characters 

[Snoopycat_]

When the women of Ree -



see a woman like this -



It's most definitely her politics they're mad about

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-like-isaac’s-new-face-in-the-dead-space-remake.664651/page-3

This is a good one lol

[Transhuman]

From that Patty Jenkins incel thread

What would Wonder Woman do?”

Your Wonder Woman joined the IDF. I don’t want to do what your Wonder Woman did.

Yes,  stupid. As all young Israelis must do for two years. They literally don’t have a choice.

They could choose to be a conscientious objector and potentially be sent to prison, that'd be my choice personally.

[joeboy101]

Obviously none of them could figure out what disclaimer to use before calling women privileged bitches

Well there’s no justification to work from. VisaWife’s dossiers probably don’t cover the website of Dictonary.com itself. There’s no name attached to be problematic. No tweet like to point to as proof for their Six Degrees of Separation from trans genocide to get worked up over. Any statement of support will be pushed as TERFism and any sharp criticism will be branded as misogynistic.

In an amusing way, it’s a performative woke Mexican stand-off.

[BIONIC]

Independent thought alert

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-like-isaac-new-face-in-the-dead-space-remake.664651/page-4#post-98162146

I don‘t get why talk about men being ugly/generic/whatever is tolerated on this forum, when it is so strict in many other cases (objectification of women etc.). Either shut talk like that down in general or you will have to let people be able to talk shit about the looks of other genders too, you cannot have both.

For as much as Era likes to swagger about not painting with a broad brush, there are definitely topics that the mods are happy to let get painted that way because it’s either so ingrained or they only see the worst aspects of a thing and don’t care who gets swept up in it.

It's similar with sexualization, it's OK to post about wanting Chris Redfield to break your back in those thirst threads but mention a female character's provocative clothing and you get banned

Bets on ban length?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Fisty gon git a perm

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Resetera: Respect artists. Fuck AI art.

For commercial art (like my avatar, which is from a video game) I'd happily change it if the artist says they don't want it being used.

I'm really not trying to call you out here, but in a very real sense the artist has explicitly said they don't want it being used in this way when they sold exclusive rights to (or completed the work for hire for) the publisher/dev/whoever is the current rights holder.

Please do call me out. The developer is Treasure, publisher is Sega. Please point me to where they say they don't want people using Sega characters as avatars.

If you're in the US, my understanding is that this EULA applies. I believe the relevant part is:

DUPLICATION, COPYING OR ANY FORM OF REPRODUCTION OF THE PRODUCT OR RELATED INFORMATION OR MATERIALS TO ANY OTHER SERVER OR LOCATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF ANY OTHER FORM OF REPRODUCTION OR ANY FORM OF DISTRIBUTION IS EXPRESSLY AND EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED, except where permitted by law. All rights not specifically granted under this Agreement are hereby reserved by SEGA and, as applicable, by its licensors.

But none of that matters; copyright is automatically applied to all work (in the US). They don't have to state anywhere that you're not allowed to use it; as soon as the work is created the artist has the right to limit its use.

lol I didn't think you'd actually bother to go dig up the EULA, all while ignoring any other comments thrown your way. You really are dedicated to distracting from artists having legitimate concerns about their art being used without permission in a commercially sold video game.
While the wording in the user agreements is the usual legal spiel, Sega has generally had a nice unsaid agreement with fans to use what they want as long as it's not making money, including fan games that end up being better than some official products. They've only taken legal action against a small number that flew too close to the sun, so to speak. They don't care about avatars, they have no reason to care about avatars, and you're wasting everybody's time.
Hell, this is the same company that lets people upload actual for real modded roms on Steam. Many of which would be totally against the EULA you just posted.

Again, if you feel like pointing me to somewhere where Sega or anybody associated with this game doesn't want their art being used for free as an avatar, please share.

   

Lots of other great stuff in this thread, but that was my favorite convo.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai-art-is-now-in-games.664342/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai-art-is-now-in-games.664342/page-7#post-98133904

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So you do get it

No, I don't get why people who are literally using stolen art to identify themselves think it's ok to get wound up in a bunch of moral outrage about stealing from artists.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/artstation-artists-protest-against-ai-art.664633/#post-98152639

They can protest but it won’t do shit. It’s out there, the technology exists and it’s done. We can lament and cry and talk about ethics but it won’t matter. This kind of tech will not disappear and artists should learn to live with it. And yes this will shrink the market for digital artists and yes that sucks for them. But artists aren’t special, they are just like any other worker and should retrain if their job disappears due to technology, like millions before them.

If anything artists should fight against capitalism and for better welfare and basic income and all that. That’s the real issue, not someone generating a description of an item from Dwarf Fortress or whatever.

I can agree with this.
I can see where professional artist are coming from, but can also recognize that if you’re making it in a creative field then you are very lucky. There’s lots of people that would love to be in that position but never got the breaks to get there. Also, I think about people that can’t afford to hire an artist for work or people that want to get into some creative venture but can’t because they can’t draw. This can be a tool to at least get their foot in the door.
This is just my POV, but artist are sounding a lot like people that are pushing back in other industries because things are changing. That lone coal miner that’s upset because his livelihood is being taken away by the move toward green energy - artist, that’s you.
Just art is held on this pedestal when it’s really something that everybody can do and should engage with but since we live in a society where it’s not really valued except in certain instances and from certain outlets within specific context, most regular people aren’t engaging in creativity for fun or expression let alone being able to support themselves financially with it.
A lot of typewriter keyboardist had their worlds crushed when somebody came through to their office with a PC, but some adapted rather than get left behind. I dunno, if I was in art professionally and wanted to stay there, I’d be figuring out how to move in the new system rather than just be upset that the robots are taking my job. If AI doesn’t do something properly - you’re an artist, you can do tweaks & adjustments.
I make stuff, music is my main thing and visual artist might say “What if a robot did this thing you’re passionate about?”
Well, I too have watched “Carole & Tuesday”. Robots can make all the songs that they want and I’m sure people will enjoy them, but that doesn’t stop me from writing and recording what I want. I might not go platinum with it, but I’ve decoupled creative expression with economics a while ago so it’s not a problem for me.
I guess something more on point with this situation would be - guitarist don’t have to be too upset that samplers exist. It’s just another tool that exist and will make things easier for some people and change the process.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/artstation-artists-protest-against-ai-art.664633/page-2#post-98153269

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Piss off.

We're reducing coal mining jobs because fossil fuels are making the planet uninhabitable, and much of the protest is because the government has yet to provide assurance and protection to people in these fields that they can do something else to support themselves and their families in a capitalist reality. Like, plenty of coal miners know it's bad for the environment but want assistance to get into another comparable line of work and they just aren't receiving it; they're being left to stave.

These AI tools came out of corporate and techbros' asses specifically to just get around the idea of having to pay and credit the humans who produce the work their bots are trained off of because the artist doesn't matter, only the ability to produce shit to consume. Billionaires like Elon Musk and creatively bankrupt, thieving assholes on Reddit are literally admitting to this in the open, plain as day, and people who have never put pencil to paper and will never commit to putting in the work to be able to draw (but will call us lucky nonetheless) still keep coming in these threads with these takes that the bots are somehow necessary for a better world. Just ignorant nonsense.

This is what people mean when they say proponents of these bots hate visual artists. No idea about the situation at hand but quick to shit on us. Just say you're glad you don't actually have to pay us anymore for the content you want and get to the point faster.

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Be mad at me all you want. Doesn’t change what’s happening. And, im not saying I want to get to the point faster. That’s you being in your feelings and I totally understand. If something was going to take my position away I’d have some sort of feelings too. I’m not even saying that you don’t have the right to feel a certain way, but in a position where it’s a job to make things for consumption then it’s adapt or get left behind.
But you know what, I’m going to let you be upset on the internet and go fuck off like you requested.

 

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/artstation-artists-protest-against-ai-art.664633/#post-98152639

They can protest but it won’t do shit. It’s out there, the technology exists and it’s done. We can lament and cry and talk about ethics but it won’t matter. This kind of tech will not disappear and artists should learn to live with it. And yes this will shrink the market for digital artists and yes that sucks for them. But artists aren’t special, they are just like any other worker and should retrain if their job disappears due to technology, like millions before them.

If anything artists should fight against capitalism and for better welfare and basic income and all that. That’s the real issue, not someone generating a description of an item from Dwarf Fortress or whatever.

I can agree with this.
I can see where professional artist are coming from, but can also recognize that if you’re making it in a creative field then you are very lucky. There’s lots of people that would love to be in that position but never got the breaks to get there. Also, I think about people that can’t afford to hire an artist for work or people that want to get into some creative venture but can’t because they can’t draw. This can be a tool to at least get their foot in the door.
This is just my POV, but artist are sounding a lot like people that are pushing back in other industries because things are changing. That lone coal miner that’s upset because his livelihood is being taken away by the move toward green energy - artist, that’s you.
Just art is held on this pedestal when it’s really something that everybody can do and should engage with but since we live in a society where it’s not really valued except in certain instances and from certain outlets within specific context, most regular people aren’t engaging in creativity for fun or expression let alone being able to support themselves financially with it.
A lot of typewriter keyboardist had their worlds crushed when somebody came through to their office with a PC, but some adapted rather than get left behind. I dunno, if I was in art professionally and wanted to stay there, I’d be figuring out how to move in the new system rather than just be upset that the robots are taking my job. If AI doesn’t do something properly - you’re an artist, you can do tweaks & adjustments.
I make stuff, music is my main thing and visual artist might say “What if a robot did this thing you’re passionate about?”
Well, I too have watched “Carole & Tuesday”. Robots can make all the songs that they want and I’m sure people will enjoy them, but that doesn’t stop me from writing and recording what I want. I might not go platinum with it, but I’ve decoupled creative expression with economics a while ago so it’s not a problem for me.
I guess something more on point with this situation would be - guitarist don’t have to be too upset that samplers exist. It’s just another tool that exist and will make things easier for some people and change the process.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/artstation-artists-protest-against-ai-art.664633/page-2#post-98153269

User Banned (Permanent): Troll account

Piss off.

We're reducing coal mining jobs because fossil fuels are making the planet uninhabitable, and much of the protest is because the government has yet to provide assurance and protection to people in these fields that they can do something else to support themselves and their families in a capitalist reality. Like, plenty of coal miners know it's bad for the environment but want assistance to get into another comparable line of work and they just aren't receiving it; they're being left to stave.

These AI tools came out of corporate and techbros' asses specifically to just get around the idea of having to pay and credit the humans who produce the work their bots are trained off of because the artist doesn't matter, only the ability to produce shit to consume. Billionaires like Elon Musk and creatively bankrupt, thieving assholes on Reddit are literally admitting to this in the open, plain as day, and people who have never put pencil to paper and will never commit to putting in the work to be able to draw (but will call us lucky nonetheless) still keep coming in these threads with these takes that the bots are somehow necessary for a better world. Just ignorant nonsense.

This is what people mean when they say proponents of these bots hate visual artists. No idea about the situation at hand but quick to shit on us. Just say you're glad you don't actually have to pay us anymore for the content you want and get to the point faster.

(Image removed from quote.)
Be mad at me all you want. Doesn’t change what’s happening. And, im not saying I want to get to the point faster. That’s you being in your feelings and I totally understand. If something was going to take my position away I’d have some sort of feelings too. I’m not even saying that you don’t have the right to feel a certain way, but in a position where it’s a job to make things for consumption then it’s adapt or get left behind.
But you know what, I’m going to let you be upset on the internet and go fuck off like you requested.

 

Now NepNep wants to get paid?