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« Reply #43080 on: March 01, 2023, 08:31:54 PM »
And why do some of you nerds have encyclopedic knowledge of all the vtubers

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« Reply #43081 on: March 01, 2023, 08:45:16 PM »
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I am honestly fine with a game being only Japanese or White European etc...
FF16 will be my Summer game.
Hopefully when one day someone sets a game in our side of the world (Africa) we see only African characters especially if set in subsaharan Africa.
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« Reply #43082 on: March 01, 2023, 08:52:43 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-fear-growing-old-before-your-time.692251/
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I absolutely fear it. I know that this originates in my childhood, where my parents by the time they were in their mid-30s already started acting like they were practically ready for hospice care. My older brother or I would ask them why they couldn't do basic things we saw other parents doing--playing outside with us, working in the yard, DIY home improvement projects, going out for the evening, etc--and they'd say, "We're old! By the time you get to be our age, you'll see!"

For the record, my dad was a computer programmer and my mom stayed at home, so there was no excuse about any sort of back-breaking livelihood. They did both, however, have utterly atrocious diets, never exercised, and chain-smoked. Unsurprisingly, they seemed to be almost perpetually exhausted, sick, and in pain, and popped OTC medications like Tylenol, antihistamines, and antacids like they were candy to treat their ills. I barely have any memory of them from before they were prematurely decrepit. (While they suffered from certain minor health issues, neither of them were ever diagnosed with any serious health condition, so long as I knew them into their early 60s.)

There's a lot more about my parents' bizarre behavior I could unpack here. But to stay on topic, growing up in this atmosphere of near-unrelenting, would-be physical debilitation and depression, I've been determined for many years not to allow their prophecy to come true. Despite having my own bevy of slight physical conditions that have dogged me--such as abnormally weak muscles, a particular form of asthma, Osgood-Schlatter disease (you'll have to Google that one), sensitive gut, etc.--I have with more or less decent regularity driven myself to exercise and stay active since my late teens: hiking, running, calisthenics, weights, yoga, highly physical jobs, etc. In my late 30s, I finally cleaned up the awful diet I inherited from my parents and became even stronger and more energetic as a result. (I never did start smoking.)

It wasn't until my 40s that chronic hand issues disabled me from being able to work; although I still like to hike and do lower-body calisthenics when I'm able to. (We have a treadmill in the house that I use during the colder months.) Last year, I tore my right rotator cuff and rehabbed it back to ~90% health. I'm now 46 and am still able to do all sorts of things my parents claimed I wouldn't be able to do a decade younger and things I can't ever remember them doing themselves, despite my diagnosed disabilities.

Unfortunately, my bestie--whom is also my housemate--now seems to be falling into that same vicious cycle as my parents. While her diet isn't as remotely so awful as theirs and she doesn't smoke (cigarettes, anyway), she lies around the house most of the day and almost never willingly exercises, and the depression that results from that causes her to eat her feelings. While she is legit seriously disabled--she had a spinal fusion some years ago before I knew her--she no longer follows her doctor's orders to stay active and keep her weight down. The rare instances I can get her to exercise, she uses the inevitable muscle soreness she feels from that as an excuse to not stick with it. Although she is admittedly several years older than me, I simply can't agree with her when she insists she's just too old to exercise anymore. Cooking is the sole "activity" she does with any regularity anymore. (Less than a decade ago when we first became friends, she was very active and complained of pain and fatigue far less frequently than she does now.)

At any rate, the now-constant lethargic atmosphere in this house is beginning to really pall on me again and I once more fear becoming "infected" by it. (When you also have diagnosed major depressive disorder and executive dysfunction issues like I do, this is a real concern.) I wish I could say I have other friends with who I could do the activities she and I used to do together, but they all unfortunately moved out of state. I also worry about bestie's health, but it gets extraordinarily exhausting having to be coach, dietician, and morale officer to someone so uncooperative, on top of everything else I have to deal with. Meanwhile, I go hiking and exercise by myself as often as I can. Nonetheless, it would be nice to have a little encouragement by example every now and then, instead of always having to be the one doing that. I'm only 46, I'm not ready to be old yet.

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-fear-growing-old-before-your-time.692251/#post-102055660
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Are any of these roles actively solicited by your bestie? Lol
Frankly, no. She'd prefer--or thinks she'd prefer--for me to just let her alone to waste away. But friends don't let friends waste away if they can help it, right?

As detailed in the OP, I've seen firsthand--and experienced myself--what chronically neglecting your own self-care can do to a person and I'd like to save bestie the additional suffering she's causing herself doing that. I know you can't really save people who don't want to be saved, but it's hard to just give up on someone you love.
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« Reply #43083 on: March 01, 2023, 08:56:20 PM »
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« Reply #43085 on: March 01, 2023, 09:00:02 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-the-fighting-game-devs-at-bandai-just-going-to-be-working-on-more-tekken-smash-titles-for-the-foreseeable-future.692269/#post-102053155
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« Reply #43086 on: March 01, 2023, 09:00:45 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-fear-growing-old-before-your-time.692251/

Quote from: meowdi gras
I absolutely fear it. I know that this originates in my childhood, where my parents by the time they were in their mid-30s already started acting like they were practically ready for hospice care. My older brother or I would ask them why they couldn't do basic things we saw other parents doing--playing outside with us, working in the yard, DIY home improvement projects, going out for the evening, etc--and they'd say, "We're old! By the time you get to be our age, you'll see!"

For the record, my dad was a computer programmer and my mom stayed at home, so there was no excuse about any sort of back-breaking livelihood. They did both, however, have utterly atrocious diets, never exercised, and chain-smoked. Unsurprisingly, they seemed to be almost perpetually exhausted, sick, and in pain, and popped OTC medications like Tylenol, antihistamines, and antacids like they were candy to treat their ills. I barely have any memory of them from before they were prematurely decrepit. (While they suffered from certain minor health issues, neither of them were ever diagnosed with any serious health condition, so long as I knew them into their early 60s.)

There's a lot more about my parents' bizarre behavior I could unpack here. But to stay on topic, growing up in this atmosphere of near-unrelenting, would-be physical debilitation and depression, I've been determined for many years not to allow their prophecy to come true. Despite having my own bevy of slight physical conditions that have dogged me--such as abnormally weak muscles, a particular form of asthma, Osgood-Schlatter disease (you'll have to Google that one), sensitive gut, etc.--I have with more or less decent regularity driven myself to exercise and stay active since my late teens: hiking, running, calisthenics, weights, yoga, highly physical jobs, etc. In my late 30s, I finally cleaned up the awful diet I inherited from my parents and became even stronger and more energetic as a result. (I never did start smoking.)

It wasn't until my 40s that chronic hand issues disabled me from being able to work; although I still like to hike and do lower-body calisthenics when I'm able to. (We have a treadmill in the house that I use during the colder months.) Last year, I tore my right rotator cuff and rehabbed it back to ~90% health. I'm now 46 and am still able to do all sorts of things my parents claimed I wouldn't be able to do a decade younger and things I can't ever remember them doing themselves, despite my diagnosed disabilities.

Unfortunately, my bestie--whom is also my housemate--now seems to be falling into that same vicious cycle as my parents. While her diet isn't as remotely so awful as theirs and she doesn't smoke (cigarettes, anyway), she lies around the house most of the day and almost never willingly exercises, and the depression that results from that causes her to eat her feelings. While she is legit seriously disabled--she had a spinal fusion some years ago before I knew her--she no longer follows her doctor's orders to stay active and keep her weight down. The rare instances I can get her to exercise, she uses the inevitable muscle soreness she feels from that as an excuse to not stick with it. Although she is admittedly several years older than me, I simply can't agree with her when she insists she's just too old to exercise anymore. Cooking is the sole "activity" she does with any regularity anymore. (Less than a decade ago when we first became friends, she was very active and complained of pain and fatigue far less frequently than she does now.)

At any rate, the now-constant lethargic atmosphere in this house is beginning to really pall on me again and I once more fear becoming "infected" by it. (When you also have diagnosed major depressive disorder and executive dysfunction issues like I do, this is a real concern.) I wish I could say I have other friends with who I could do the activities she and I used to do together, but they all unfortunately moved out of state. I also worry about bestie's health, but it gets extraordinarily exhausting having to be coach, dietician, and morale officer to someone so uncooperative, on top of everything else I have to deal with. Meanwhile, I go hiking and exercise by myself as often as I can. Nonetheless, it would be nice to have a little encouragement by example every now and then, instead of always having to be the one doing that. I'm only 46, I'm not ready to be old yet.

Okay you hypochondriac bitch.

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Osgood-Schlatter disease is a condition that causes pain and swelling below the knee joint, where the patellar tendon attaches to the top of the shinbone (tibia), a spot called the tibial tuberosity. There may also be inflammation of the patellar tendon, which stretches over the kneecap.

Osgood-Schlatter disease is most commonly found in young athletes who play sports that require a lot of jumping and/or running.
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Risk factors for the disorder include:

    Male gender
    Ages: male 12-15, girls 8-12
    Sudden skeletal growth
    Repetitive activities like jumping and sprinting
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Osgood-Schlatter disease usually goes away with time and rest.
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The prognosis of Osgood-Schlatter disease is excellent. The disorder is self limiting but time to resolution can take months. In about 10% of patients, the symptoms may continue into adulthood. This long term sequelae occurs when the individual does not seek treatment or has poor compliance with the recommended treatment. There are reported cases when the pain may last several years.
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In almost every case, surgery is not needed. This is because the cartilage growth plate eventually stops its growth and fills in with bone when the child stops growing. The bone is stronger than cartilage and less prone to irritation. The pain and swelling go away because there is no new growth plate to be injured. Pain linked to Osgood-Schlatter disease almost always ends when an adolescent stops growing.

In rare cases, the pain persists after the bones have stopped growing. Surgery is recommended only if there are bone fragments that did not heal. Surgery is never done on a growing athlete, since the growth plate can be damaged.

Oh my god, how do they even function with such a disability.

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When you also have diagnosed major depressive disorder

I'm thinking they're 'bevy' of issues is pretty much this right here. And of course, the aft-mentioned "executive" dysfunction issues.

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« Reply #43087 on: March 01, 2023, 09:02:29 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-2#post-102043354

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I am honestly fine with a game being only Japanese or White European etc...
FF16 will be my Summer game.
Hopefully when one day someone sets a game in our side of the world (Africa) we see only African characters especially if set in subsaharan Africa.

 :lol

It's not even 'white people'.  The entire game is just Englishmen.  It's not like FF16 is intentionally singling out other groups over a continental European race of "white" people.  They're using a specific part of Europe, medieval England, to emulate their world and characters for the backdrop of their story.  Who cares.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #43088 on: March 01, 2023, 09:02:48 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-2#post-102043354

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I am honestly fine with a game being only Japanese or White European etc...
FF16 will be my Summer game.
Hopefully when one day someone sets a game in our side of the world (Africa) we see only African characters especially if set in subsaharan Africa.

Did they just ban an African?  :notlikethis

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #43089 on: March 01, 2023, 09:04:38 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-2#post-102043354

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I am honestly fine with a game being only Japanese or White European etc...
FF16 will be my Summer game.
Hopefully when one day someone sets a game in our side of the world (Africa) we see only African characters especially if set in subsaharan Africa.

Did they just ban an African?  :notlikethis

Could be South African?

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« Reply #43090 on: March 01, 2023, 09:15:05 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia

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« Reply #43091 on: March 01, 2023, 09:47:44 PM »
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GoD DAMMIT. I really enjoyed Pikamee. And if she's graduating because of the fucking abuse she got for playing a game she had no fuccking idea had baggage over it..

Fuck

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Oh and by the way a lot of the comments on the Voms twitter is very transphobic, so watch out. The culture war is going to get even nastier regarding this.

 :sheik  :sheik  :sheik

Fuck you, fucking enabler.
Graduating from what? Primary school?

Fucking paedos who follow this shit
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« Reply #43092 on: March 01, 2023, 09:58:21 PM »
All this talk of vtubers "graduating" sounds like a sinister euphemism.

Is idol slang (retiring after getting to old), it was adopted semi ironic by Vtubers and community.
...and paedos. Don't forget the paedos.
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« Reply #43093 on: March 01, 2023, 10:07:44 PM »
If the main thing that comes out of this HL debacle is more hostility towards trans people, then that's sad, but not surprising given how they acted. Yelling and screaming in people's faces for playing a video game as your introduction into the wider public was ill-advised to say the least. Their hyperbolic "we're being genocided!!!" because strangers play a video game with naturally cause people to not take you seriously. Now, to cope, they are doing /pol/-like mental gymnastics that it was really the transphobes who harassed people.

Almost every wrong move the trans community could make in reaction to HL, they made.
I don't think the hatred is towards trans people out of this, it's just more generally towards the terminally online distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.


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And the paedos who watch cartoon children talking about video games because it titillates them and they're weird fuckers.
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« Reply #43094 on: March 01, 2023, 10:08:46 PM »
Semi-ironic pedophilia :snob
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« Reply #43095 on: March 01, 2023, 10:09:43 PM »
People being incapable of realizing that they were the baddies is interesting to watch


Amazing, I would have never even thought to write that last part. :delicious

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« Reply #43096 on: March 01, 2023, 10:11:43 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/box-office-ant-man-quantumania-posts-the-worst-second-weekend-drop-of-the-mcu.690955/page-12#post-101986342
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While that was the biggest second weekend drop to date for an MCU film, it's not significantly higher than most Phase 4 films were:
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As you can see, Phase 4 films generally had a greater problem than prior phases with audience retention in their second weekend. Of the eleven MCU films to have drops over 60% in their second weekend, seven have been part of the Multiverse Saga, and of those seven all of them comprise the seven largest drops in the series. Why this is isn't clear. It's not that audiences are souring on the MCU, considering that No Way Home was a massive success, Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever did very well, and Love & Thunder did about on par with Ragnarok. Shang-Chi was the only Phase 4 film to have a second weekend drop of under 60%, though that could have been a result of its relatively soft opening weekend (lower than Black Widow, even, and not much higher than Eternals) followed by somewhat better legs.

Now, while there is a correlation between second weekend drops and overall legs, it's not a strict one-to-one relationship. For example, the below graphs ranks MCU films up to Wakanda Forever in terms of both how big their second weekend drop was (top) and how that looks in chronological order (bottom):
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As you can see, there is a general trend towards the first week being a higher percentage of a film's lifetime gross, but not one strong enough to make very accurate predictions of a film's lifetime gross. The impact of the second weekend drop is even less significant when it comes to how much a film's lifetime gross happens in the first four weeks, showing that the second weekend drop isn't always indicative of the rate of decline in subsequent weeks. While there's an obvious trend over time towards larger second weekend drops in the MCU, it's a far less pronounced trend for first week grosses as a share of lifetime grosses, and an almost non-existent one for the first four weeks' share. No Way Home and Wakanda Forever rank, respectively #3 and #5 for largest second weekend drops, but rank #10 and #14 for how much of their lifetime share was in their first week. Their legs were far better that you'd expect looking solely at their second weekend drop. Just because a film has a big drop in its second weekend doesn't necessarily mean it'll continue to have very large drops every week after that.

When we're only ten days into a film's release, the lifetime gross is going to have a very broad range of possible figures. Based on other recent MCU films' long-term performances, we can probably guess that Quantumania will gross somewhere in the $230-260 range domestically, and it'll be between 2.1 to 2.3 times that for its worldwide gross based on its current domestic/international split.

Also, I hope we don't become too fixated on legs as the defining measure of success. I remember back in December 2017 when The Last Jedi's 67.5% second-weekend drop (which was in large part because that Sunday was Christmas Eve, historically a bad day for theater attendance, relatively speaking) was held up as evidence of the movie's supposed failure. Even when it went on to gross over $620M domestic and over $1.3B worldwide, naysayers were constantly trying to point to it being more front-loaded (and that it dropped a good bit from The Force Awakens) in order to downplay its success, despite the fact that sequels tend to be more front-loaded than their predecessors (we saw this happen with the OT and PT as well). I remember on another forum a few years back where one user was arguing that the 2017 Jumanji film having better legs than TLJ was being used to argue that that metric alone made Jumanji more successful despite the significantly lower lifetime gross, and that it made TLJ a "disappointment" despite how much money it made.

In any case, as I said in another thread, I honestly don't know what people expected out of Quantumania's box office returns. It's an Ant-Man movie, and of all the MCU sub-series, it has consistently performed the worst. It'll do about as well as one would expect from an Ant-Man movie. If it ends up not making a profit, that's on Disney for giving it the same budget as every other post-Endgame MCU film. Ant-Man simply is not a major box office draw. Maybe they felt it was necessary for the story they're trying to tell, but there was no way an Ant-Man 3 was ever going to do as well as films led by more popular characters.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/box-office-ant-man-quantumania-posts-the-worst-second-weekend-drop-of-the-mcu.690955/page-12#post-102033121
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While Christmas Eve was during NWH's second weekend, so was Christmas Day, which is usually a good day for cinemas, so they arguably cancel each other out. Also, Dec. 26 usually has a good holdover from Christmas Day, which helps as well. Had that not been a holiday weekend, things could have gone far worse. Both NWH and TLJ had identical -67.5% drops in their second weekend, yet I noticed that the same people who raked TLJ over the coals for that drop were silent regarding NWH, despite TLJ not even having Christmas Day in its second weekend.

Seeing the Monday gross for Quantumania, the top end of that range I offered does seem unlikely now. Still, it is already well on its way towards passing the first film domestically, and is still over $32M ahead of where the second one was ten days in. That lead will shrink over time, but it could still pass the second film lifetime. It should gross around $39-40M this week, so it will be sitting at around $174-175M by the end of Week 2, meaning it'll only need to gross another $42-43M to match Ant-Man & The Wasp. That's definitely doable. Black Widow was the most front-loaded film in the series in terms of first week as a share of lifetime gross (57.6%). If Quantumania about matches that, it could still pass $230M. Even if it's more like 60% for the first week (because of President's Day). We're still looking at $225M. Once you add in overseas returns, the film should at least break even (assuming WW needs to be $500M).

In any case, after three consecutive Ant-Man films having worse showings than other MCU films, this should clearly demonstrate that the character simply isn't a box office draw and cannot carry a film to major success by himself. He has the worst average of any MCU sub-series. In wrestling terms, he's a mid-carder at best. You wouldn't have a major PPV where the main event was between, say, Billy Kidman and X-Pac. It's going to be the guys who put butts in seats as the main event, like The Rock, Triple H, or Cena. Ant-Man would be better suited for a Disney+ show if they want him to still have standalone adventures.

I posted similar graphs before that post and gave more context for it. Just as Alexandros said, looking at the second weekend drop in isolation is not a good indicator of overall success, and that we've already had several successful films since theaters rebounded with the release of No Way Home. While the first three Phase 4 films were kneecapped by COVID, No Way Home bested every film in the series domestically except Endgame (Infinity War edged it out WW, but even then it's still #3 in the series), Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever did very well, and even Love & Thunder did about on par with Ragnarok.
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Oh, I know. It was actually a "conversation" (if you can call it that) back during TLJ's run on another forum where some people were going on about its second weekend drop.

I just think Disney may end up needing to reevaluate whether or not some characters should be in a feature film.

We know Dr. Strange is still a draw, with MoM doing even better than the first one.

Wakanda Forever showed that even without T'Challa, both the supporting characters and Black Panther as a superhero mantle are all still popular.

Thor is still a mid-level draw.

As I mentioned before, Ant-Man demonstrated three times already that he's just not as popular as the other Avengers. Sure, the hardcore fans will watch (I certainly enjoyed Quantumania), but he's a harder sell for general audiences.

Shang-Chi and Eternals didn't get proper tests because of COVID, though the former did have decent legs and was the highest-grossing film between the start of the pandemic and when No Way Home caused theaters to almost-but-not-quite-fully rebound. One wonders how the first three Phase 4 films would've done had COVID never existed.

The GotG had two successful films, so Vol. 3 should do well for itself (probably $350-400M domestic).

Falcon & The Winter Soldier seemed to do well, showing that a new Captain America could still work, so New World Order should do well.

Thunderbolts is going to be interesting, with all those secondary heroes teaming up like a B-team Avengers. That's a toss-up on whether they can collectively carry a movie in the absence of a bigger name.

Captain Marvel did well, but the Ms. Marvel show didn't have quite the viewership of some other Disney+ MCU shows, and there's no buildup to Endgame. Should still do well, though. I doubt we'll see some massive drop-off from the first.

Blade is another toss-up. The old Wesley Snipes films did decent for R-rated action-horror films, but it's hard to say if Blade can pull in the kind of money other MCU films do.

Overall, I think that once Phase 5 concludes, it's a safe bet that Quantumania will likely be its lowest-grossing film. Thunderbolts and Blade are the only other ones that I think could potentially fail to gross over $250M domestic. It'll probably depend on word of mouth. If they do well under the average for an MCU film, then Disney definitely has a situtation on their hands. It would demonstrate that only certain characters are capable of being big draws, and that not every MCU film without "Ant-Man" in title is going to be a success. We could see fewer movies and more series as a result as fewer characters get the big-budget feature film bucks thrown at them.


Of course, during the Infinity Saga the debuts of the original MCU Avengers was inconsistent as well. The first two Iron Man films did well, but Hulk, Thor, and Captain America had rather lackluster showings in Phase 1 by comparison. Hulk, Thor, and Cap only had a combined domestic gross of $492.5M, so despite making up half the films of Phase 1, they made up only 28% of the total gross of the phase, and far less than the $631M combined Iron Man 1 & 2 made. So, while Iron Man was hot with audiences, the rest of the Avengers couldn't manage that level of popularity at first, at least not in their standalone films.

In Phase 2, Thor & Captain America saw improvements over their originals, but The Dark World and The Winter Soldier still fell well short of Iron Man 3 (which did even better than the first two) and even Guardians Vol. 1 (which did about on par with the first two Iron Man films). So, while Cap & Thor were getting more traction, the Guardians were hot right out of the gate. Ant-Man meanwhile had the worst performance of any MCU film since the first Captain America, and the worst overall of any film in Phases 2 & 3 combined.

By Phase 3, Cap and Thor had gotten much more popular (though Cap didn't exactly carry Civil War by himself). Ant-Man didn't get much more popular despite the second film directly following Infinity War. Dr. Strange meanwhile did only okay as an unproven and unfamiliar character. But other debuting characters like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man did very well (though Spidey is always a draw). So even though Phase 3 was overall much more successful on average, it was still uneven in popularity at points.

TL;DR: Maybe the Multiverse Saga is having similar growing pains as the Infinity Saga did. It's a massive change to the status quo with a bunch of new heroes taking the helm. Popular established characters are still doing well, the one established character that didn't do well wasn't popular before, and it may take time for audiences to warm up to the newbies. Even then, some newer characters may struggle to find widespread appeal.

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Imagine writing all that and not getting paid. What a fucking idiot.
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« Reply #43097 on: March 01, 2023, 10:26:01 PM »
You forgot to mention that he once launched a product called the Dilberito, a frozen vegan burrito that he believed was the future of food.
Thank you, Joe, this is important, I should have mentioned it rather than assuming everyone on the planet already knows.

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« Reply #43098 on: March 01, 2023, 10:28:34 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-3#post-102043501
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They're never going to admit that they just didn't consider the inclusion of PoCs from the outset because they wanted the game's aesthetic to resemble GoT and Tolkien which are, you know, fantasies written by white men.
A fantasy written by a white man in 1966: Star Trek.

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« Reply #43099 on: March 01, 2023, 10:36:55 PM »
Normal post in a normal thread in a normal forum:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/proposed-florida-bill-would-eliminate-florida-democrat-party.692020/page-2#post-102046627
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Just wait until some Florida legislator proposes a bill that would allow citizens to a private right of action if they accuse someone of being a democrat, because democrats favor slavery and killing babies.   The Supreme Court won’t weigh in on bounty laws so this will more than likely be the natural progression of things.
The Supreme Court punted because, as we found out, they were going to strike down Roe which removed the "problem" in SR8. What you're proposing would never rise to the Supreme Court* because you can't bring a private right of action against someone by accusing them of doing something legal and constitutionally protected. "Nice try fascist, but abortion was." No, SR8 made abortion after six weeks illegal, the Court could have used Roe/Casey to kill it on those grounds but they weren't keeping those. Being a Democrat is not illegal and Florida could not make it illegal. (Especially not "accusing someone of being a Democrat" since, you know, this isn't how things work at all.)

*We've already seen what the 11th Circuit thinks of Florida's attempts to end run the First Amendment.

edit: Also, if the Supreme Court struck down private rights of action, ResetERA.com would scream its head off about it being fascism because this would probably gut the main technique of the environmental movement.
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« Reply #43100 on: March 01, 2023, 10:54:36 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-fear-growing-old-before-your-time.692251/

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I absolutely fear it. I know that this originates in my childhood, where my parents by the time they were in their mid-30s already started acting like they were practically ready for hospice care. My older brother or I would ask them why they couldn't do basic things we saw other parents doing--playing outside with us, working in the yard, DIY home improvement projects, going out for the evening, etc--and they'd say, "We're old! By the time you get to be our age, you'll see!"

For the record, my dad was a computer programmer and my mom stayed at home, so there was no excuse about any sort of back-breaking livelihood. They did both, however, have utterly atrocious diets, never exercised, and chain-smoked. Unsurprisingly, they seemed to be almost perpetually exhausted, sick, and in pain, and popped OTC medications like Tylenol, antihistamines, and antacids like they were candy to treat their ills. I barely have any memory of them from before they were prematurely decrepit. (While they suffered from certain minor health issues, neither of them were ever diagnosed with any serious health condition, so long as I knew them into their early 60s.)

There's a lot more about my parents' bizarre behavior I could unpack here. But to stay on topic, growing up in this atmosphere of near-unrelenting, would-be physical debilitation and depression, I've been determined for many years not to allow their prophecy to come true. Despite having my own bevy of slight physical conditions that have dogged me--such as abnormally weak muscles, a particular form of asthma, Osgood-Schlatter disease (you'll have to Google that one), sensitive gut, etc.--I have with more or less decent regularity driven myself to exercise and stay active since my late teens: hiking, running, calisthenics, weights, yoga, highly physical jobs, etc. In my late 30s, I finally cleaned up the awful diet I inherited from my parents and became even stronger and more energetic as a result. (I never did start smoking.)

It wasn't until my 40s that chronic hand issues disabled me from being able to work; although I still like to hike and do lower-body calisthenics when I'm able to. (We have a treadmill in the house that I use during the colder months.) Last year, I tore my right rotator cuff and rehabbed it back to ~90% health. I'm now 46 and am still able to do all sorts of things my parents claimed I wouldn't be able to do a decade younger and things I can't ever remember them doing themselves, despite my diagnosed disabilities.

Unfortunately, my bestie--whom is also my housemate--now seems to be falling into that same vicious cycle as my parents. While her diet isn't as remotely so awful as theirs and she doesn't smoke (cigarettes, anyway), she lies around the house most of the day and almost never willingly exercises, and the depression that results from that causes her to eat her feelings. While she is legit seriously disabled--she had a spinal fusion some years ago before I knew her--she no longer follows her doctor's orders to stay active and keep her weight down. The rare instances I can get her to exercise, she uses the inevitable muscle soreness she feels from that as an excuse to not stick with it. Although she is admittedly several years older than me, I simply can't agree with her when she insists she's just too old to exercise anymore. Cooking is the sole "activity" she does with any regularity anymore. (Less than a decade ago when we first became friends, she was very active and complained of pain and fatigue far less frequently than she does now.)

At any rate, the now-constant lethargic atmosphere in this house is beginning to really pall on me again and I once more fear becoming "infected" by it. (When you also have diagnosed major depressive disorder and executive dysfunction issues like I do, this is a real concern.) I wish I could say I have other friends with who I could do the activities she and I used to do together, but they all unfortunately moved out of state. I also worry about bestie's health, but it gets extraordinarily exhausting having to be coach, dietician, and morale officer to someone so uncooperative, on top of everything else I have to deal with. Meanwhile, I go hiking and exercise by myself as often as I can. Nonetheless, it would be nice to have a little encouragement by example every now and then, instead of always having to be the one doing that. I'm only 46, I'm not ready to be old yet.

Okay you hypochondriac bitch.

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Osgood-Schlatter disease is a condition that causes pain and swelling below the knee joint, where the patellar tendon attaches to the top of the shinbone (tibia), a spot called the tibial tuberosity. There may also be inflammation of the patellar tendon, which stretches over the kneecap.

Osgood-Schlatter disease is most commonly found in young athletes who play sports that require a lot of jumping and/or running.
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Risk factors for the disorder include:

    Male gender
    Ages: male 12-15, girls 8-12
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Osgood-Schlatter disease usually goes away with time and rest.
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The prognosis of Osgood-Schlatter disease is excellent. The disorder is self limiting but time to resolution can take months. In about 10% of patients, the symptoms may continue into adulthood. This long term sequelae occurs when the individual does not seek treatment or has poor compliance with the recommended treatment. There are reported cases when the pain may last several years.
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In almost every case, surgery is not needed. This is because the cartilage growth plate eventually stops its growth and fills in with bone when the child stops growing. The bone is stronger than cartilage and less prone to irritation. The pain and swelling go away because there is no new growth plate to be injured. Pain linked to Osgood-Schlatter disease almost always ends when an adolescent stops growing.

In rare cases, the pain persists after the bones have stopped growing. Surgery is recommended only if there are bone fragments that did not heal. Surgery is never done on a growing athlete, since the growth plate can be damaged.

Oh my god, how do they even function with such a disability.

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When you also have diagnosed major depressive disorder

I'm thinking they're 'bevy' of issues is pretty much this right here. And of course, the aft-mentioned "executive" dysfunction issues.

Wow single and alone and worked to age 40 before crapping out, really showed them

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« Reply #43101 on: March 01, 2023, 11:04:49 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-2#post-102043354

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I am honestly fine with a game being only Japanese or White European etc...
FF16 will be my Summer game.
Hopefully when one day someone sets a game in our side of the world (Africa) we see only African characters especially if set in subsaharan Africa.

Being fine with a game of ONLY JAPANESE OR AFRICAN CHARACTERS is dismissing concerns of representation now?

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« Reply #43102 on: March 01, 2023, 11:07:26 PM »
Semi-ironic pedophilia :snob
Getting a semi about paedos is probably something you should see a professional about
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« Reply #43103 on: March 01, 2023, 11:26:10 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-3#post-102043501
Quote from: Nepenthe, post: 102043501, member: 1995
They're never going to admit that they just didn't consider the inclusion of PoCs from the outset because they wanted the game's aesthetic to resemble GoT and Tolkien which are, you know, fantasies written by white men.
A fantasy written by a white man in 1966: Star Trek.

Another fantasy by white men in 1966: Black Panther and Wakanda.

Concept of empathy and curiosity for those who don’t look the same in the mirror is beyond their purview.

At least there’s The Woman King. Let me look up who wrote tha… never mind.

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« Reply #43104 on: March 01, 2023, 11:28:11 PM »
All this talk of vtubers "graduating" sounds like a sinister euphemism.

Is idol slang (retiring after getting to old), it was adopted semi ironic by Vtubers and community.
...and paedos. Don't forget the paedos.

As someone that finds vtubers really weird, I've gotta defend Boredfrom. A lot of people like cartoon dogs because they're cute; it doesn't mean they want to bone dogs. A lot of people like cartoon cats because they're cute. It doesn't mean they want to bone cats. And a lot of people like cartoon kids because kids are the very reason our brains evolved the concept of "cute"; it doesn't mean they want to bone kids.

If you're someone that hates kids or are a pedo yourself, I can see why you'd struggle to imagine why people would like them as just being cute. And yeah, a cartoon kid being played by an adult is as weird to me as those Splatoon hologram concerts. But thinking kids are cute is much, much more commonly rooted in human nurturing instinct than in depraved sexual desire. It's why we have a human race.

No denying that the anime demographic does attract more pedos than normal, though. But most probably are not (or at least so I choose to believe), and Boredfrom is probably just a giant, huge mega-nerd with a decent heart (for someone on TheBore).
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« Reply #43105 on: March 01, 2023, 11:30:51 PM »
Pogi, you freaking idiot, hitting quote instead of edit modify  :camby
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« Reply #43106 on: March 02, 2023, 12:00:12 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia

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    1% Berbers[7][8]
    1% Jews and others[9]

Being that it's Reeesetera, we already know it was the fraction of 1% Jew that did him in.

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« Reply #43107 on: March 02, 2023, 12:19:32 AM »
All this talk of vtubers "graduating" sounds like a sinister euphemism.

Is idol slang (retiring after getting to old), it was adopted semi ironic by Vtubers and community.
...and paedos. Don't forget the paedos.

As someone that finds vtubers really weird, I've gotta defend Boredfrom. A lot of people like cartoon dogs because they're cute; it doesn't mean they want to bone dogs. A lot of people like cartoon cats because they're cute. It doesn't mean they want to bone cats. And a lot of people like cartoon kids because kids are the very reason our brains evolved the concept of "cute"; it doesn't mean they want to bone kids.

If you're someone that hates kids or are a pedo yourself, I can see why you'd struggle to imagine why people would like them as just being cute. And yeah, a cartoon kid being played by an adult is as weird to me as those Splatoon hologram concerts. But thinking kids are cute is much, much more commonly rooted in human nurturing instinct than in depraved sexual desire. It's why we have a human race.

No denying that the anime demographic does attract more pedos than normal, though. But most probably are not (or at least so I choose to believe), and Boredfrom is probably just a giant, huge mega-nerd with a decent heart (for someone on TheBore).

Yeah, but Reee do want to bone cartoon dogs and cats.

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« Reply #43108 on: March 02, 2023, 12:35:35 AM »
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I'm glad I don't use twitter. Just a reminder to send any trans vtubers some love during this whole mess.
Some trans vtubers absolutely are getting harrassed
I don't really care about all this vtuber discourse y'all havin (to the exclusion of Black people business, not that y'all should be sticking your nose in it) but I find the idea of a trans vtuber to be hilarious though it's entirely possible I just don't understand the concept of a vtuber in any way that would make this seem more reasonable.

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« Reply #43109 on: March 02, 2023, 12:36:20 AM »
All this talk of vtubers "graduating" sounds like a sinister euphemism.

Is idol slang (retiring after getting to old), it was adopted semi ironic by Vtubers and community.
...and paedos. Don't forget the paedos.

As someone that finds vtubers really weird, I've gotta defend Boredfrom. A lot of people like cartoon dogs because they're cute; it doesn't mean they want to bone dogs. A lot of people like cartoon cats because they're cute. It doesn't mean they want to bone cats. And a lot of people like cartoon kids because kids are the very reason our brains evolved the concept of "cute"; it doesn't mean they want to bone kids.

If you're someone that hates kids or are a pedo yourself, I can see why you'd struggle to imagine why people would like them as just being cute. And yeah, a cartoon kid being played by an adult is as weird to me as those Splatoon hologram concerts. But thinking kids are cute is much, much more commonly rooted in human nurturing instinct than in depraved sexual desire. It's why we have a human race.

No denying that the anime demographic does attract more pedos than normal, though. But most probably are not (or at least so I choose to believe), and Boredfrom is probably just a giant, huge mega-nerd with a decent heart (for someone on TheBore).

Yeah, but Reee do want to bone cartoon dogs and cats.

Edit: Adults watching underage cartoon girls is weird. Pedos or not.

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« Reply #43110 on: March 02, 2023, 01:23:07 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-final-fantasy-xvi-has-a-medieval-approach-to-diversity.692200/page-2#post-102043354

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I am honestly fine with a game being only Japanese or White European etc...
FF16 will be my Summer game.
Hopefully when one day someone sets a game in our side of the world (Africa) we see only African characters especially if set in subsaharan Africa.

was that some of the non-us perspective that nep nep said she wanted to see more of

on a side note, white american and african american are probably the two most overrepresented demographics in global media given how few they actually are  :lol

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« Reply #43111 on: March 02, 2023, 01:29:41 AM »
https://twitter.com/TheOnly_Anti/status/1631097791199219713

https://twitter.com/TheCartelDel/status/1631071463561211905



"Violent colonialism is a good thing, actually."


Think of all the great inventions the English brought to those backward savages in their colonial projects.  :ufup

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« Reply #43112 on: March 02, 2023, 01:52:57 AM »
Has anyone explained what the Iberian Moors have to do with anything?

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« Reply #43113 on: March 02, 2023, 01:55:15 AM »
https://twitter.com/TheOnly_Anti/status/1631097791199219713

https://twitter.com/TheCartelDel/status/1631071463561211905



"Violent colonialism is a good thing, actually."


Think of all the great inventions the English brought to those backward savages in their colonial projects.  :ufup

How dare you defend colonisers.

Also colonial slave state al-Andalus was a utopia.

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« Reply #43114 on: March 02, 2023, 01:59:29 AM »
"Violent colonialism is a good thing, actually."
The Iberian Peninsula was liberated by the Indigenous Moors from capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy. :ufup

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« Reply #43115 on: March 02, 2023, 02:10:11 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/let-me-tell-y%E2%80%99all-about-metamucil.692362/
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Holy shit

If you’re not drinking at least a glass of this stuff per day, I suggest you try it. It will lead to the best shits of your life. I’m talking about long smooth perfectly smooth brown logs, with the least amount of wiping youll ever have to do.

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« Reply #43116 on: March 02, 2023, 02:50:31 AM »
Quote from: Kuro
I'm glad I don't use twitter. Just a reminder to send any trans vtubers some love during this whole mess.
Some trans vtubers absolutely are getting harrassed
I don't really care about all this vtuber discourse y'all havin (to the exclusion of Black people business, not that y'all should be sticking your nose in it) but I find the idea of a trans vtuber to be hilarious though it's entirely possible I just don't understand the concept of a vtuber in any way that would make this seem more reasonable.

Imagine that wrestlers are anime avatars and that they don’t wrestle but play video games. Or Giant Bomb with anime girls.

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« Reply #43117 on: March 02, 2023, 03:42:43 AM »
Margs

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« Reply #43118 on: March 02, 2023, 03:47:13 AM »
Quote from: Kuro
I'm glad I don't use twitter. Just a reminder to send any trans vtubers some love during this whole mess.
Some trans vtubers absolutely are getting harrassed
I don't really care about all this vtuber discourse y'all havin (to the exclusion of Black people business, not that y'all should be sticking your nose in it) but I find the idea of a trans vtuber to be hilarious though it's entirely possible I just don't understand the concept of a vtuber in any way that would make this seem more reasonable.

Imagine that wrestlers are anime avatars and that they don’t wrestle but play video games. Or Giant Bomb with anime girls.

Margs

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« Reply #43119 on: March 02, 2023, 04:20:01 AM »
Quote from: Kuro
I'm glad I don't use twitter. Just a reminder to send any trans vtubers some love during this whole mess.
Some trans vtubers absolutely are getting harrassed
I don't really care about all this vtuber discourse y'all havin (to the exclusion of Black people business, not that y'all should be sticking your nose in it) but I find the idea of a trans vtuber to be hilarious though it's entirely possible I just don't understand the concept of a vtuber in any way that would make this seem more reasonable.

Imagine that wrestlers are anime avatars and that they don’t wrestle but play video games. Or Giant Bomb with anime girls.

What’s confusing, at least for me, comes down to who is trans. Using 2022 terminology because this shit changes too fast. Is a cis woman driving a cis male avatar a trans vtuber? Or are we talking about the driver’s identity? But then isn’t the point the fantasy of the character? Are the characters explicitly trans? Or is it a trans woman driving a cis woman?

Think I read they wanted that concept in The Matrix. The “not like this” character was meant as male in the real world and female in the matrix? They settled on an androgynous actress.

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« Reply #43120 on: March 02, 2023, 04:23:03 AM »
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XVI is definitely disappointing with regard to diversity and I hope they will learn from this issue in future projects.

They learned their lesson with Forspoken lmao
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« Reply #43121 on: March 02, 2023, 04:33:16 AM »
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XVI is definitely disappointing with regard to diversity and I hope they will learn from this issue in future projects.

They learned their lesson with Forspoken lmao
https://www.resetera.com/threads/square-enix-has-announced-that-luminous-productions-the-development-studio-behind-forspoken-will-be-merged-into-square-enix-effective-may-1-2023.691501/

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« Reply #43122 on: March 02, 2023, 04:58:58 AM »
 :forspoken

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« Reply #43123 on: March 02, 2023, 05:17:45 AM »
Has anyone explained what the Iberian Moors have to do with anything?

Spain were so pleased when they decolonised them they spent a bunch of cash funding an expedition by Columbus as celebration :teehee

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« Reply #43124 on: March 02, 2023, 07:01:37 AM »
More like Fartstopher CHUDlumbus, amirite?

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« Reply #43125 on: March 02, 2023, 07:08:01 AM »
I have decided to contribute more to this great forum in the form of likes for good posts.

If your post doesn't have a like, you only got yourselves to blame losers.

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« Reply #43126 on: March 02, 2023, 07:11:31 AM »
Royalfat would never eat a dilburrito.

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« Reply #43127 on: March 02, 2023, 07:19:36 AM »
https://twitter.com/TheOnly_Anti/status/1631097791199219713

https://twitter.com/TheCartelDel/status/1631071463561211905



"Violent colonialism is a good thing, actually."


Think of all the great inventions the English brought to those backward savages in their colonial projects.  :ufup

I love history lessons from dumbasses who know fuck all about history. University-like institutions already existed in ancient Greece and Rome. The University of Constantinople, sometimes referred to as the "oldest university in the world", is older than Islam itself. It was also secular and open to both men and women. Cathedral schools, religious Christian predecessors to modern universities, started during the Second Council of Toledo - in Spain.
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« Reply #43128 on: March 02, 2023, 07:34:39 AM »
man and here I was hoping for FFXVI's downfall just because it abandons all the series' roots

here I am with egg on my face because what people really cared about all along was how white it is
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« Reply #43129 on: March 02, 2023, 07:45:08 AM »
Atomic heart is rotten to the core folks? You heard it first on Reeeee
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« Reply #43130 on: March 02, 2023, 08:33:39 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/box-office-ant-man-quantumania-posts-the-worst-second-weekend-drop-of-the-mcu.690955/page-12#post-101986342
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While that was the biggest second weekend drop to date for an MCU film, it's not significantly higher than most Phase 4 films were:
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As you can see, Phase 4 films generally had a greater problem than prior phases with audience retention in their second weekend. Of the eleven MCU films to have drops over 60% in their second weekend, seven have been part of the Multiverse Saga, and of those seven all of them comprise the seven largest drops in the series. Why this is isn't clear. It's not that audiences are souring on the MCU, considering that No Way Home was a massive success, Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever did very well, and Love & Thunder did about on par with Ragnarok. Shang-Chi was the only Phase 4 film to have a second weekend drop of under 60%, though that could have been a result of its relatively soft opening weekend (lower than Black Widow, even, and not much higher than Eternals) followed by somewhat better legs.

Now, while there is a correlation between second weekend drops and overall legs, it's not a strict one-to-one relationship. For example, the below graphs ranks MCU films up to Wakanda Forever in terms of both how big their second weekend drop was (top) and how that looks in chronological order (bottom):
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As you can see, there is a general trend towards the first week being a higher percentage of a film's lifetime gross, but not one strong enough to make very accurate predictions of a film's lifetime gross. The impact of the second weekend drop is even less significant when it comes to how much a film's lifetime gross happens in the first four weeks, showing that the second weekend drop isn't always indicative of the rate of decline in subsequent weeks. While there's an obvious trend over time towards larger second weekend drops in the MCU, it's a far less pronounced trend for first week grosses as a share of lifetime grosses, and an almost non-existent one for the first four weeks' share. No Way Home and Wakanda Forever rank, respectively #3 and #5 for largest second weekend drops, but rank #10 and #14 for how much of their lifetime share was in their first week. Their legs were far better that you'd expect looking solely at their second weekend drop. Just because a film has a big drop in its second weekend doesn't necessarily mean it'll continue to have very large drops every week after that.

When we're only ten days into a film's release, the lifetime gross is going to have a very broad range of possible figures. Based on other recent MCU films' long-term performances, we can probably guess that Quantumania will gross somewhere in the $230-260 range domestically, and it'll be between 2.1 to 2.3 times that for its worldwide gross based on its current domestic/international split.

Also, I hope we don't become too fixated on legs as the defining measure of success. I remember back in December 2017 when The Last Jedi's 67.5% second-weekend drop (which was in large part because that Sunday was Christmas Eve, historically a bad day for theater attendance, relatively speaking) was held up as evidence of the movie's supposed failure. Even when it went on to gross over $620M domestic and over $1.3B worldwide, naysayers were constantly trying to point to it being more front-loaded (and that it dropped a good bit from The Force Awakens) in order to downplay its success, despite the fact that sequels tend to be more front-loaded than their predecessors (we saw this happen with the OT and PT as well). I remember on another forum a few years back where one user was arguing that the 2017 Jumanji film having better legs than TLJ was being used to argue that that metric alone made Jumanji more successful despite the significantly lower lifetime gross, and that it made TLJ a "disappointment" despite how much money it made.

In any case, as I said in another thread, I honestly don't know what people expected out of Quantumania's box office returns. It's an Ant-Man movie, and of all the MCU sub-series, it has consistently performed the worst. It'll do about as well as one would expect from an Ant-Man movie. If it ends up not making a profit, that's on Disney for giving it the same budget as every other post-Endgame MCU film. Ant-Man simply is not a major box office draw. Maybe they felt it was necessary for the story they're trying to tell, but there was no way an Ant-Man 3 was ever going to do as well as films led by more popular characters.


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While Christmas Eve was during NWH's second weekend, so was Christmas Day, which is usually a good day for cinemas, so they arguably cancel each other out. Also, Dec. 26 usually has a good holdover from Christmas Day, which helps as well. Had that not been a holiday weekend, things could have gone far worse. Both NWH and TLJ had identical -67.5% drops in their second weekend, yet I noticed that the same people who raked TLJ over the coals for that drop were silent regarding NWH, despite TLJ not even having Christmas Day in its second weekend.

Seeing the Monday gross for Quantumania, the top end of that range I offered does seem unlikely now. Still, it is already well on its way towards passing the first film domestically, and is still over $32M ahead of where the second one was ten days in. That lead will shrink over time, but it could still pass the second film lifetime. It should gross around $39-40M this week, so it will be sitting at around $174-175M by the end of Week 2, meaning it'll only need to gross another $42-43M to match Ant-Man & The Wasp. That's definitely doable. Black Widow was the most front-loaded film in the series in terms of first week as a share of lifetime gross (57.6%). If Quantumania about matches that, it could still pass $230M. Even if it's more like 60% for the first week (because of President's Day). We're still looking at $225M. Once you add in overseas returns, the film should at least break even (assuming WW needs to be $500M).

In any case, after three consecutive Ant-Man films having worse showings than other MCU films, this should clearly demonstrate that the character simply isn't a box office draw and cannot carry a film to major success by himself. He has the worst average of any MCU sub-series. In wrestling terms, he's a mid-carder at best. You wouldn't have a major PPV where the main event was between, say, Billy Kidman and X-Pac. It's going to be the guys who put butts in seats as the main event, like The Rock, Triple H, or Cena. Ant-Man would be better suited for a Disney+ show if they want him to still have standalone adventures.

I posted similar graphs before that post and gave more context for it. Just as Alexandros said, looking at the second weekend drop in isolation is not a good indicator of overall success, and that we've already had several successful films since theaters rebounded with the release of No Way Home. While the first three Phase 4 films were kneecapped by COVID, No Way Home bested every film in the series domestically except Endgame (Infinity War edged it out WW, but even then it's still #3 in the series), Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever did very well, and even Love & Thunder did about on par with Ragnarok.
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Oh, I know. It was actually a "conversation" (if you can call it that) back during TLJ's run on another forum where some people were going on about its second weekend drop.

I just think Disney may end up needing to reevaluate whether or not some characters should be in a feature film.

We know Dr. Strange is still a draw, with MoM doing even better than the first one.

Wakanda Forever showed that even without T'Challa, both the supporting characters and Black Panther as a superhero mantle are all still popular.

Thor is still a mid-level draw.

As I mentioned before, Ant-Man demonstrated three times already that he's just not as popular as the other Avengers. Sure, the hardcore fans will watch (I certainly enjoyed Quantumania), but he's a harder sell for general audiences.

Shang-Chi and Eternals didn't get proper tests because of COVID, though the former did have decent legs and was the highest-grossing film between the start of the pandemic and when No Way Home caused theaters to almost-but-not-quite-fully rebound. One wonders how the first three Phase 4 films would've done had COVID never existed.

The GotG had two successful films, so Vol. 3 should do well for itself (probably $350-400M domestic).

Falcon & The Winter Soldier seemed to do well, showing that a new Captain America could still work, so New World Order should do well.

Thunderbolts is going to be interesting, with all those secondary heroes teaming up like a B-team Avengers. That's a toss-up on whether they can collectively carry a movie in the absence of a bigger name.

Captain Marvel did well, but the Ms. Marvel show didn't have quite the viewership of some other Disney+ MCU shows, and there's no buildup to Endgame. Should still do well, though. I doubt we'll see some massive drop-off from the first.

Blade is another toss-up. The old Wesley Snipes films did decent for R-rated action-horror films, but it's hard to say if Blade can pull in the kind of money other MCU films do.

Overall, I think that once Phase 5 concludes, it's a safe bet that Quantumania will likely be its lowest-grossing film. Thunderbolts and Blade are the only other ones that I think could potentially fail to gross over $250M domestic. It'll probably depend on word of mouth. If they do well under the average for an MCU film, then Disney definitely has a situtation on their hands. It would demonstrate that only certain characters are capable of being big draws, and that not every MCU film without "Ant-Man" in title is going to be a success. We could see fewer movies and more series as a result as fewer characters get the big-budget feature film bucks thrown at them.


Of course, during the Infinity Saga the debuts of the original MCU Avengers was inconsistent as well. The first two Iron Man films did well, but Hulk, Thor, and Captain America had rather lackluster showings in Phase 1 by comparison. Hulk, Thor, and Cap only had a combined domestic gross of $492.5M, so despite making up half the films of Phase 1, they made up only 28% of the total gross of the phase, and far less than the $631M combined Iron Man 1 & 2 made. So, while Iron Man was hot with audiences, the rest of the Avengers couldn't manage that level of popularity at first, at least not in their standalone films.

In Phase 2, Thor & Captain America saw improvements over their originals, but The Dark World and The Winter Soldier still fell well short of Iron Man 3 (which did even better than the first two) and even Guardians Vol. 1 (which did about on par with the first two Iron Man films). So, while Cap & Thor were getting more traction, the Guardians were hot right out of the gate. Ant-Man meanwhile had the worst performance of any MCU film since the first Captain America, and the worst overall of any film in Phases 2 & 3 combined.

By Phase 3, Cap and Thor had gotten much more popular (though Cap didn't exactly carry Civil War by himself). Ant-Man didn't get much more popular despite the second film directly following Infinity War. Dr. Strange meanwhile did only okay as an unproven and unfamiliar character. But other debuting characters like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Spider-Man did very well (though Spidey is always a draw). So even though Phase 3 was overall much more successful on average, it was still uneven in popularity at points.

TL;DR: Maybe the Multiverse Saga is having similar growing pains as the Infinity Saga did. It's a massive change to the status quo with a bunch of new heroes taking the helm. Popular established characters are still doing well, the one established character that didn't do well wasn't popular before, and it may take time for audiences to warm up to the newbies. Even then, some newer characters may struggle to find widespread appeal.

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who the fuck is making all these graphs?

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« Reply #43131 on: March 02, 2023, 09:48:34 AM »
ur mom lmao
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« Reply #43132 on: March 02, 2023, 09:55:14 AM »
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I'm glad I don't use twitter. Just a reminder to send any trans vtubers some love during this whole mess.
Some trans vtubers absolutely are getting harrassed
I don't really care about all this vtuber discourse y'all havin (to the exclusion of Black people business, not that y'all should be sticking your nose in it) but I find the idea of a trans vtuber to be hilarious though it's entirely possible I just don't understand the concept of a vtuber in any way that would make this seem more reasonable.

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« Reply #43133 on: March 02, 2023, 12:24:04 PM »
I'm confident that in the next couple years we'll see some 100% non-human game, like aliens or furries and people will genuinely be making the argument that the characters are all "white-coded" so the game is racist anyway

some of the characters will even be voiced by black people, won't matter, they'll say "god how could these traitors stand to recite this white-ass dialogue, they should be ashamed"

I was watching Lion Guard with my son last year and they had a Zebra on the show that was the leader of a bunch of Zebras and she's got blond strips and blue eyes and everyone falls in love with her because she's apparently the most beautiful Zebra.

That was probably the most white-coded cartoon-animal I've ever seen.

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« Reply #43134 on: March 02, 2023, 12:30:19 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/atomic-heart-ot-soviet-shock.687115/page-29#post-102067033

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This game is rotten to the core isn't it?
Finished it today, amazing game. Exactly what was needed in this climate of gaas and remakes.
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« Reply #43137 on: March 02, 2023, 01:15:23 PM »
Another day another round of ree screeching over Cruise

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I will never understand why Era defends him so much when he’s the most visible frontman for a cult.

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that's what you can achieve too, when you join a creepy (tax-shelter) cult.

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That’s your defence?

Seriously?

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Happens every time. So gross. F this guy.

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Yes, just minor qualms about him funding a cult that kidnaps people and forces them into slave labor.

We should definitely be more mindful of how we talk about poor Tom Cruise, we REALLY don't wanna get labelled SPs after all.


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« Reply #43138 on: March 02, 2023, 01:17:00 PM »
Remember the Canadian teacher with the huge fake tits ERA was defending? Seems even the school district got wise:

https://nypost.com/2023/03/02/kayla-lemieux-canadian-teacher-with-size-z-prosthetic-breasts-on-paid-leave/

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The Canadian high school teacher who wears massive Z-cup prosthetic breasts in class has been placed on leave after The Post revealed that she rarely wears them outside of school.
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The saga gained international attention and came to a head after The Post revealed last month that once outside school, Lemieux often ditches the breasts, wig and makeup and appears as a man, which sent shockwaves through the district.

Anyone with any sense could have told you it was a fetish and power-play. But saying that wasn't allowed. Hell, the OP that made the thread on ERA got perma banned for having the gall to even make it, if I recall.
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« Reply #43139 on: March 02, 2023, 01:19:25 PM »
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This game is rotten to the core isn't it?
Finished it today, amazing game. Exactly what was needed in this climate of gaas and remakes.

The fuck is this ban? They were in the game’s OT. It’s not banned…

What exactly is wrong with what they said? Fuck, those mods are bad.