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[Potato]

actual good posters like me

 

Correction. The best poster.

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[Cauliflower Of Love]

what is nep is being meta and letting a gpt bot run their account and the account has decided to ban ai talk.

[BisMarckie]

"Resetera is a live service"   

Nepenthe thinks she's the admin of a tech company or something instead of a message board full of windowlickers 

Nepenthe will laugh all the way to the bank when Cerium returns from his mental health break and gives her a cool million. Smart to play the long game here, even though I would prefer a boss who doesn’t take naps that take more than a year,

[Greatness Gone]

chatpgt is unironically more sane than the average Ree poster

[Uncle]

https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/18/deplatforming_hate_forums_fails/

Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction."

"forum trolls (as defined by those who consider themselves to have been trolled) need to be arrested and re-educated" 👀

resetera is comin for anyone who criticizes them

benji

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theregister.com

reeee moderation team are also registered.... child molesters 

[Potato]

Holy shit.

Deplatforming doesn't work and just makes people more extreme.

The proposed solution to this is to go even more draconian.

WTF?

Academics really can be distinguished mentally-challenged sometimes.

[Boredfrom]

The only thing asians can do correctly is sit on the sidelines as Excel and Nepenthe get mad on their behalf when a white guy opens a Thai restaurant.  Asians and Natives are only useful for ERA when they have a "but white people are still bad," argument that needs an extra paragraph.

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone as virulently racist as Nep has more than a few opinions about Asians.

She totally does, have expressed some of it at points.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

As far as Nepenthe is concerned, Asians are White adjacent and not really POC.

[Propagandhim]

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support

Getting the government to teach men who can't get laid to not be bitter and angry.  Can't wait to see the PSAs for that one.

[Uncle]

Mr. Propagandhim, having watched this two-hour deconstruction of hate by contrapoints, do you now acknowledge the very real harm you've visited upon Ms. Nepenthe? you might think it's "just for yucks," something you do "just for kicks" to impress your friends and "get high," but it leads directly to negative outcomes for the ones you troll

you can sign this consent form to have your internet activities monitored, or you can stay here and watch further videos we've developed with the aid of james stephanie sterling, vaush, and hasan piker, it is your choice

[HaughtyFrank]

As far as Nepenthe is concerned, Asians are White adjacent and not really POC.

Asians are good at math so they're like AI adjacent too.

[Propagandhim]

Mr. Propagandhim, having watched this two-hour deconstruction of hate by contrapoints, do you now acknowledge the very real harm you've visited upon Ms. Nepenthe? you might think it's "just for yucks," something you do "just for kicks" to impress your friends and "get high," but it leads directly to negative outcomes for the ones you troll

you can sign this consent form to have your internet activities monitored, or you can stay here and watch further videos we've developed with the aid of james stephanie sterling, vaush, and hasan piker, it is your choice

YES, YES, ASIDE FROM PROVIDING FOR THE MOST EXHILIRATING GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE, NEED FOR SPEED: HEAT AND NEED FOR SPEED: HEAT ASSOCIATED DLC PROVIDES THE MOST SUITABLE EXPLANATION OF THE IMPERIAL CORE'S COLONIAL PAST.  I ADMIT IT.  I ADMIT IT.

[D3RANG3D]

Mr. Propagandhim, having watched this two-hour deconstruction of hate by contrapoints, do you now acknowledge the very real harm you've visited upon Ms. Nepenthe? you might think it's "just for yucks," something you do "just for kicks" to impress your friends and "get high," but it leads directly to negative outcomes for the ones you troll

you can sign this consent form to have your internet activities monitored, or you can stay here and watch further videos we've developed with the aid of james stephanie sterling, vaush, and hasan piker, it is your choice

Is there a suicide option?

 

[Uncle]

As far as Nepenthe is concerned, Asians are White adjacent and not really POC.

Asians are good at math so they're like AI adjacent too.

nowhere in nepenthe's AI ban screed does she define what AI stands for, the A is left open for interpretation

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As far as Nepenthe is concerned, Asians are White adjacent and not really POC.

nepenthe is at war with the asians

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-want-to-like-the-last-jedi-but-i-really-cant.710189/

There was such an intense dislike for this movie with internet chuds that I think a lot of people had a knee-jerk reaction in the opposite direction and claimed that it was the best Star Wars movie.

Maybe people shouldn’t do that?

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reminds me of patrice on the radio telling white people to just relax about the obama hate and maybe black people would criticize him too. but they can't because all the idiot fox news watchers won't shut up and they can't get lumped in with those types 

[Nintex]

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech,"

Free speech is DEAD but we're bringing it back. These clowns probably can't even open a PDF. Also they are the haters we are the likers.

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ban-nintendo-discussion-topics-on-era-due-to-morally-wrong-litigious-activity-yes-or-no.709967/

Nintentoddler trying to ban threads trashing Nintendo.

Gotta protect the billion dollar corporation. Not very preogressive.
 

Already locked. 

Top of the page nintendo:

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/ban-nintendo-discussion-topics-on-era-due-to-morally-wrong-litigious-activity-yes-or-no.709967/#post-104330264

Have you seen the thread that’s been stickied for the last two years?

We might as well shut down the whole site.

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ban-nintendo-discussion-topics-on-era-due-to-morally-wrong-litigious-activity-yes-or-no.709967/

Nintentoddler trying to ban threads trashing Nintendo.

Gotta protect the billion dollar corporation. Not very preogressive.
 

Already locked. 

Top of the page nintendo:

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/ban-nintendo-discussion-topics-on-era-due-to-morally-wrong-litigious-activity-yes-or-no.709967/#post-104330264

Have you seen the thread that’s been stickied for the last two years?

We might as well shut down the whole site.

the resident evil 4 remake OT got more views in less than a month than the slave labor stickied thread got in almost three years 

[Boredfrom]

This is probably a bad speech but I'd still rather listen to him being dumb than that other fucker.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lula-president-of-brazil-makes-a-speech-against-video-games-and-says-that-there-are-only-“games-teaching-how-to-kill”.710153/page-3

Are from Brazil to be forced to listen any of the two idiots?

Exactly. Feels good to have to deal with a dumb boomer instead a genocidal maniac.

 

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Lula is a saint compared to Bolsonaro. So yeah, I rather listen to Lula all day than the other fucker.

[Boredfrom]

Lula is a saint compared to Bolsonaro. So yeah, I rather listen to Lula all day than the other fucker.

Obviously. But is hardly ideal.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

You work with you can get. It's the way it is

[Nintex]

During a meeting with ministers, governors and heads of powers held this Tuesday (18), the president of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, harshly criticized electronic games. By calling the games "crap", he associated them with "violence" and "death", stating that there were none that talk about "love".

FAKE NEWS


Not to mention the Xenoblade series and Fire Emblem, especially Three Houses. 

Another boomer for the ignore list 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/page-18#post-104357087

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There's no multiverse or magic at play in this movie, and all three chars are well-received by fans. Carol might have more people that hate her compared to other chars, but her movie was also wildly successful.

In terms of Multiverse/magic - I'm not talking about The Marvels specifically, here, but the MCU as a whole.

There's nothing wrong with Carol Danvers; I think that character is pretty cool and would have been relatively well received. It's just that Brie Larson poisoned the well early on.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/page-18#post-104357087

User Banned (Permanent): Troll Account

There's no multiverse or magic at play in this movie, and all three chars are well-received by fans. Carol might have more people that hate her compared to other chars, but her movie was also wildly successful.

In terms of Multiverse/magic - I'm not talking about The Marvels specifically, here, but the MCU as a whole.

There's nothing wrong with Carol Danvers; I think that character is pretty cool and would have been relatively well received. It's just that Brie Larson poisoned the well early on.

Gamergate strikes again.

[Uncle]

note that the user was labeled a Troll Account, which makes them detainable and punishable under the new pending EU legislation

[Greatness Gone]

having negative feelings about any aspect of marvel puts you on THE LIST™ on ree, but mentioning Brie Larson as well? He wanted a perma if you ask me.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jonathan-majors-has-been-dropped-by-his-management-and-pr-agency.709877/page-9#post-104364080

Never like him as an actor but it sucks to have your career ruined over some stupid mistake after mistake like this.

 

[Uncle]

I only make intelligent mistakes 

[Potato]

Lula is a saint compared to Bolsonaro. So yeah, I rather listen to Lula all day than the other fucker.

Stalin is a saint compared to Hitler. So yeah, I'd rather listen to Stalin all day than the other fucker

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jonathan-majors-has-been-dropped-by-his-management-and-pr-agency.709877/page-9#post-104364080

Never like him as an actor but it sucks to have your career ruined over some stupid mistake after mistake like this.

 

Bashing your girlfriend's face in while black

[FUME5]

I know it's already been quoted a bunch but:

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us, and instead would rather dodge around us at every opportunity to hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

This is literal insanity, can't wait to see what the future holds for resetera.

[Propagandhim]

We're on the eighth step of genocide as a live service and we're going to keep you up to date on further genocide updates in this thread.  In the meantime, play some games or sumptin

[HaughtyFrank]

I know it's already been quoted a bunch but:

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us, and instead would rather dodge around us at every opportunity to hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

This is literal insanity, can't wait to see what the future holds for resetera.

I wonder how long they can keep this going. If they're still at step 8 two years later people are going to be a bit confused

[Potato]

I know it's already been quoted a bunch but:

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us, and instead would rather dodge around us at every opportunity to hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

This is literal insanity, can't wait to see what the future holds for resetera.

I wonder how long they can keep this going. If they're still at step 8 two years later people are going to be a bit confused

Resetera is a strange community and worthy of some study by an anthropologist or some other weirdo academic.

You have a small community of literally insane terminally online extremists accounting for maybe less than 5% of the userbase who are directly in charge of running the forum or indirectly pulling the strings behind the scenes in secret sub-communities on Discord. These people are almost exclusively involved in the community for political activist purposes and spend their whole time on the forum looking for wrongthink and raving on about imagined genocide and racism.

Then you have the other small minority of terminally online autistic people accounting for less than 10% who are dedicated to posting and discussing gaming news and earning online clout for being the first to post something or the first to find the hottest take from some enthusiast media schlub. In the past, these types of people used to actually have inside connections, but circa 202X, are now essentially human RSS feeds and unpaid content producers (some of the OTs remain considerably more impressive than anything the idiotic "gaming press" come up with) and have no real connections to anyone involved in the industry or the gaming press.

Then you have the silent majority who are just regular people who spend all their time navigating the moderation minefield of secret unpublished rules hoping to survive today's ban purges because NeoGoof/Reeeeesetera has always functioned as the best consolidated general gaming newsfeed (because of the unpaid autists above) on the internet and nobody with half a brain wants to try to make sense of Reddit feeds or deal with the shite that passes as "gaming media".

[Uncle]

I know it's already been quoted a bunch but:

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us, and instead would rather dodge around us at every opportunity to hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

This is literal insanity, can't wait to see what the future holds for resetera.

much has been said about the octo-genociding, but uh

hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

...citation needed? what the fuck are they talking about here?

"on the 35th page of mein kampf hitler uses a phrase that can be translated into 'he walked out of the shop,' and you can clearly see that these exact words were used on page 75 of harold potter"

[Propagandhim]

She literally went out and bought long knives.  Like, literally who does that?

[NegativeCrepe]

'resetera is a live service' is going to go down as one of the dumbest things ever said in that pisshole

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/recycle-reuse-renew-rethink-walmart-canada-apologizes-and-removes-t-shirt-with-design-flaw-resulting-in-a-hidden-message.708482/page-2#post-104142848

User banned (permanent): Troll account

Isn't this word banned?

It is and it may be the most stupid rule on this site. “Gendered slur” is the most straight white American bullshit ever.

[benjipwns]

Remember when B-Dubs a couple weeks ago said the Dominion vs. Fox News case was the most important in the history of journalism and was going to change the very way we all live? Now it's not even going to trial.

[benjipwns]

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us

There was never a high level of maturity of discussion when it comes to HP or other JKR shit to begin with. Trans & non-binary people‘s posts were so often met with utter ignorance, dismissal & at times outright transphobia by cis members. I cannot think of a single thread involving HP that wasn‘t after a while filled with cis people hyping up the IP, talking about how much they can‘t wait for the JKR-backed show ...  Doesn‘t change that people hyping up an IP (which is what always fucking happens when people want to do the exact opposite) of someone who sees all support of her IP as a support of her transphobia makes trans & non-binary people on Era feel fucking uncomfortable & not welcome.

I think when that smaller group is actively trying to be exterminated by the franchise's creator, they have the ethical high ground here not to have to see shit relating to it.

There's literally no way for staff to instantly know if a video of hers is worthwhile and so we erred on the side of caution given the subject matter.

I bet they literally can't see why their deliberately chosen mentality means that nothing should be posted on the forum until it can be proven that there's not a victim of an ongoing genocide* having to see it. They're so desperately scared of opposing opinions trolls that they don't realize they've made the Heckler's Veto the Ur-Principle of a discussion forum. (And they're all so blinded by ideology that they refuse to accept that this power will only ever accrue to the self-chosen elite rather than be allowed to all equally.)

*Not needed to be proven to exist and evidence against it existing is actually proof of its increasing existence.

I think when that smaller group is actively trying to be exterminated by the franchise's creator

Also, I just really like the wording of this post because they accidentally made their post true.

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the one guy being paid over there 

[maninthemirror]

wait...did era ban all ai discussion ? 

[BIONIC]

However, ResetEra is an enthusiast space for video games and wider entertainment such as movies and television which many industry professionals call an online home, and we believe their work is immensely valuable as to why this space even exists at all. Furthermore, staff currently feels that AI content generation in its current form- a billionaire-backed race to the bottom to undermine and eliminate the need for human-led creativity and expression- is fundamentally anti-humanistic and anti-progressive, and we are no longer comfortable allowing the discussion free reign to proliferate on the forum as it has before.

Thank you for this. The quoted text above actually got me feeling a good bit emotional as I thought about how this topic is impacting my friends in all industries where AI is relevant, and how much it is already discouraging/damaging to them and their sense of self-worth. I don't envy the moderation team for having to make decisions like this when there are so many opinions to consider, but I do think it is something to be commended that you are doing what you believe is in the best interest of this community.

[benjipwns]

That dude and his friends sound pretty fucking lame.

[maninthemirror]

However, ResetEra is an enthusiast space for video games and wider entertainment such as movies and television which many industry professionals call an online home, and we believe their work is immensely valuable as to why this space even exists at all. Furthermore, staff currently feels that AI content generation in its current form- a billionaire-backed race to the bottom to undermine and eliminate the need for human-led creativity and expression- is fundamentally anti-humanistic and anti-progressive, and we are no longer comfortable allowing the discussion free reign to proliferate on the forum as it has before.

Thank you for this. The quoted text above actually got me feeling a good bit emotional as I thought about how this topic is impacting my friends in all industries where AI is relevant, and how much it is already discouraging/damaging to them and their sense of self-worth. I don't envy the moderation team for having to make decisions like this when there are so many opinions to consider, but I do think it is something to be commended that you are doing what you believe is in the best interest of this community.

mental illness 101

[benjipwns]

I can spend less time on the tasks I don't really want to do and more time on the things I actually value? OH GOD NOT MY SENSE OF SELF-WORTH!

[maninthemirror]

So era is not banning crypto and nfts which are Ponzi schemes


But they are banning generative ai which is the future of content generation

[maninthemirror]

'resetera is a live service' is going to go down as one of the dumbest things ever said in that pisshole

I need a screenshot and a link to this so this is archived for future

[Uncle]

I don't even get how they can logically ban ai when what's being developed now is just an extension of something that's been a part of everyone's lives for ages

it's not even intelligence in the way that's been traditionally imagined, it's just a bunch of data relationships attempting to provide output for a given input

countless computer programs include tools that do their best to figure out what the user wants...they don't all use diffusion as a concept, but plenty of them are just as "magic," one click that saves you hours of time

the other day I was looking into video editing and learned how to automatically blur a corporate logo with DaVinci Resolve, it's crazy, you just highlight what you want gone in the first frame and it calculates how the logo moves in subsequent frames and seamlessly keeps it obscured

is talking about that allowed at era? it's pretty fucking smart and saves me from awkwardly blurring it out frame by frame

what about photoshop's content-aware fill that erases things from photos for you? hell what about denoise and despeckle tools that have been around for decades to help restore old photos? where do you draw the line between "this is perfectly fine" and "this is too helpful for humans, it removes their agency and destroys jobs  "

[benjipwns]

where do you draw the line between "this is perfectly fine" and "this is too helpful for humans, it removes their agency and destroys jobs  "

WHEN I'VE DECIDED TO BE COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL AND INSANE ABOUT SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO BOTHER TO THINK ABOUT BUT WANT TO MAKE MORAL AND ETHICAL DEMANDS REGARDING, SHITLORD

[Uncle]

'resetera is a live service' is going to go down as one of the dumbest things ever said in that pisshole

I need a screenshot and a link to this so this is archived for future

the link cannot be archived because the thread is not visible to users who aren't logged in, a rip archive of some sort would reveal the user who did it



I didn't take note of that first bit at the top earlier 

games built on a transformative, creative use of AI by small indie teams are now as bad as joanne rowling 

[benjipwns]

Hold on, going to submit reports about every thread regarding roguelikes, the Borderlands series, etc.

[Averon]

So era is not banning crypto and nfts which are Ponzi schemes


But they are banning generative ai which is the future of content generation

Crypto/NFTs didn't threaten Nep's part-time animator gig.

[benjipwns]

Wait, what single-player video game does this not outlaw? They almost all use decision-tree based AI routines.

[Uncle]

Wait, what single-player video game does this not outlaw? They almost all use decision-tree based AI routines.

popular game comes out, far cry 8 or whatever

people have a jolly chat about it at era

months after the game comes out, a post-mortem with the devs: "yeah actually recent breakthroughs in AI allowed us to use a stripped down version of principles from ChatGPT to create smarter enemies, and an experience tailored to each player's skill level and desires based on how they play"

nepenthe:   bans all users who ever posted about the game for trolling and circumventing the ban

[benjipwns]

Really makes you feel good about all the unearthing for that rules rewrite when you realize they, along the lines Propagandhim already started down, just banned something without even defining what's banned and expecting everyone to know the broad meaning of their vague discontent that apparently Nepenthe was able to convince "dozens" of the staff through in a single Discord discussion ("moral argument") that involved zero pushback from a system that's supposed to provide checks on arbitrary power (as experienced on NeoGAF.com, albeit in a far more honest and somehow less arbitrary fashion) like the three staff members required to sign off on every single ban.