The Outside Link Thread (All Your GAF, OA, SA, YouTube, etc. Links Go In Here!)

[duckman2000]

newsflash:  I made the thread and don't know why people suddenly hate CODMW2.  it's a coincidence

There isn't really much to say here. We've sort of stated it. I always say the same thing. GAF is within their rights to run their board just as they want. It's the inconsistency and group think that turns me off there. That's not sour grapes because I was banned. That's the way I've always felt and I've always said it. It's why actual game discussion is very hard to achieve there.  

Discussion of games invariably involve people getting emotional in one way or the other. Be it that people are falling over themselves to praise the game and defend the developer against any "dirt," or people getting overtly critical of relatively small issues due to some larger slights, it's human nature to attach emotion to discussion. That's what you get when you partake in communities with, you know, humans.

[Don Flamenco]

whatever, I just won the game.  

special thanks to tieno and kosma  

[Stoney Mason]

Stoney, if people are mad right now it's for good reason, even if there is a sheepish quality to it at this point. I agree that trolling can become overbearing to the point where it's difficult to wade through it to discuss the game, but you seem deadset on disconnecting any emotion from the discussion. You were praising the moderators for cracking down on very natural, heartfelt reactions to the Mickey game deal, which is really odd.

I praised following rules. If a rule is don't troll then that's the rule. Or even how I got banned. I disagree with it but if that's their rule, hey it is what it is.

That thread is nothing about rules. It's the very opposite of rules they have set up in fact.

No one says you can't criticize a game. I'm all for that. In fact there were 4 threads I counted that did that. What that thread is doing is taking the vocal mob and letting them run things. Which is par for the course in many cases on GAF.

[duckman2000]

But your sensitivity to "trolling" is remarkable if you consider isolated heartfelt reactions to fall under that category, and your own trollspotting benders are at least as much of distractions to the supposedly hallowed intelligent discussion of games. You're part of the noise, dude. The only difference is that you seem to be a bit delusional about your own role.

And again, you can always change the direction of the thread if you want. Thread topics aren't permanent or static, unless they become "caturday" spectacles.

[Stoney Mason]

But your sensitivity to "trolling" is remarkable if you consider isolated heartfelt reactions to fall under that category, and your own trollspotting benders are at least as much of distractions to the supposedly hallowed intelligent discussion of games. You're part of the noise, dude.

Nothing about that thread is consistent with how GAF has handled official threads. I could site 50 examples but do I really need to. There are a group of PC owners who are upset about dedicated servers. That is perfectly fine. Voice that displeasure. What you shouldn't do is let the voice of those people over-ride and drive the entire forum discussion on a game. Especially since you have plenty of people on the 360 or the PS3 who are being dragged into issues that don't involve them. I own a 360. While I don't agree with removing dedicated serves for the PC I also don't care. Because it doesn't effect me. It's why I haven't posted in that PC thread about Mw 2 over here very much. Because I respect the right for people to talk and complain about it. But I don't care too which is why I don't particpate in that thread. Especially if it derails actual conversation when it doesn't effect a ton of people or the people who actually want to discuss the game. I posted in that other MW 2 thread on here to say I pre-ordered. Specifically for that point. So one discussion doesn't over-ride the other.

[Don Flamenco]

the thread has been up for like an hour.  if it stays up, the conversation will turn to the game.  stop being such a fucking drama queen     

[Kestastrophe]

duckman has centipedes in his vag today

[AdmiralViscen]

It's true - it's stupid that a stripped-down OP is suddenly OK just because it's the GAF mob hate item of the week. On the other hand, oh well.

[archie4208]

The thread got closed.  You can come out of retirement now, Stoney.

[Don Flamenco]

Shit I lost the game  :'(

[Stoney Mason]

The thread got closed.  You can come out of retirement now, Stoney.

Fuck that!

The gauntlet has been thrown down!

I'm officially retired from GAF. If I post over there again shower me with scorn.

Book it!

 

[Don Flamenco]

The thread got closed.  You can come out of retirement now, Stoney.

Fuck that!

The gauntlet has been thrown down!

I'm officially retired from GAF. If I post over there again shower me with scorn.

Book it!

 

that's right!  who needs the kwik-e-mart?  not you!

[duckman2000]

But your sensitivity to "trolling" is remarkable if you consider isolated heartfelt reactions to fall under that category, and your own trollspotting benders are at least as much of distractions to the supposedly hallowed intelligent discussion of games. You're part of the noise, dude.

Nothing about that thread is consistent with how GAF has handled official threads.

That's grand, but I wasn't actually talking about the MW2 thread. I was referring to the Mickey thread, and your support of the blind mass bans of "trolls," who were in reality mostly just dudes disappointed in the news. I don't count myself in that group, but that's what the brunt of the banned responses looked like. If that's your threshold for "trolling" then you're just plain too fucking sensitive to fringe noise. It's not that I disagree with you regarding the troll flood effect, but it's hard to take your opinion on trolling seriously.

[Don Flamenco]

Even if we wanted to use this one, official threads = one week before launch.

If they reopen this thread a week before the game's release instead of approving the other one, I will lol.

I should find out who's doing the OP, the time zone they're in, and re-post it 15 minutes before midnight the week before the game comes out.

[duckman2000]

For the record, I think the dedicated server thing is just the latest weapon in the armory (or knife in the martyr's side, depending on how you see it) of the anti-Activision "movement." It sucks, but I think a lot of unaffected people have adopted the issue for unrelated reasons.

[Stoney Mason]

That's grand, but I wasn't actually talking about the MW2 thread. I was referring to the Mickey thread, and your support of the blind mass bans of "trolls," who were in reality just dudes disappointed in the news. If that's your threshold for "trolling" then you're just plain too fucking sensitive to fringe noise. It's not that I disagree with you regarding the troll flood effect, but it's hard to take your opinion on trolling seriously.

sigh. I'm not sure what we are arguing about.

I can't make this any more clear. If their are rules follow them. However harshly or to the letter they want. That includes whether I get banned or you get banned or somebody else gets banned. Where the problem comes in is when the rules are made on the fly. Or they are re-imagined every time. Or they are enforced sometimes or not enforced others.

If going into a thread for a platform to troll it is against the rules then enforce them. (About you). If being elitist is against the rules. (About me). Then enforce them. But try to do it every single time. And especially when mods themselves break those rules or any other rules set up. That's the problem with GAF. Either have rules or don't have them but make it clear either way.

This whole thing seems to be over but my entire point is that thread had nothing to do with rules and actuallly goes against the rules they have set up. I'm not really sure why we arguing. Because I said you deserved that ban? Well I deserved mine too. My issue isn't with bans. It's with consistency. GAF should follow its rules. And its mods should follow its rules. And that's really all there is about it. I'm not trying to stop people from having opinions or beliefs. They are welcome to that. Just establish some rules and stick to them whatever they are.

Even the reason given for taking down that troll thread is bogus. The "one week until official thread" being released is never actually enforced or rarely so if ever.

[AdmiralViscen]

No Stoney, you're not off the hook yet. You're gonna talk about me now. Remember that time you said some stuff about that thread a while ago? What's the deal?

[The Sceneman]

Man, explosion videos are effing amazing

[youtube=560,345]_KuGizBjDXo[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]wcmmLvAYqkI[/youtube]

awesome!

[duckman2000]

I can't make this any more clear. If their are rules follow them. However harshly or to the letter they want. That includes whether I get banned or you get banned or somebody else gets banned. Where the problem comes in is when the rules are made on the fly. Or they are re-imagined every time. Or they are enforced sometimes or not enforced others.

I take issue with the way that was handled, and with the way the "troll" label is slapped on people for the dumbest reasons. It aims to eliminate any genuine emotion in favor of some fake facade from fear of banishment, and that makes the threads suck, in my opinion. I'm a troll for sure, but most of those dudes most likely were not. At least, their posts weren't.

Besides, weren't those rules set up or at least executed so harshly specifically for that case? Seems rather on the fly to me, then.

[duckman2000]

awesome!

I'm trying to find this video from 9 years ago that some girl sent me, it was from a wildfire around Los Alamos, where she lived. There was a chain reaction of propane tanks, I haven't seen anything that insane since. Pre-Youtube, so it's a bitch to find.  :'(

[Stoney Mason]

I can't make this any more clear. If their are rules follow them. However harshly or to the letter they want. That includes whether I get banned or you get banned or somebody else gets banned. Where the problem comes in is when the rules are made on the fly. Or they are re-imagined every time. Or they are enforced sometimes or not enforced others.

I take issue with the way that was handled, and with the way the "troll" label is slapped on people for the dumbest reaons. It aims to eliminate any genuine emotion in favor of some fake facade from fear of banishment, and that makes the threads suck, in my opinion. I'm a troll for sure, but most of those dudes most likely were not. At least, their posts weren't.

Besides, weren't those rules set up or at least executed so harshly specifically for that case? Seems rather on the fly to me, then.

It's always been very difficult to have actual game discussion on GAF. There are too many people who have too many agendas who derail threads over there so it gets even worse and even I'm guilty of that occasionally but at least I try to generally work my way back to the topic at hand. I like to talk about actual games and the good and bad about them. Not whether Activision is my favorite company, or which platform has the best graphics, or any of that bullshit. It's all drama. And GAF loves its drama more than it likes games. And the drama and the "megatons" have slowly but surely taken that forum into the shitter when it comes to actual game discussion.   

And with that I'll stop derailing this thread.
 

[duckman2000]

Agreed, and I can honestly say that I thought the mod-sanctioned trolling of Too Human was a bit much, even if Denis played a big part in it himself. That's the troll flood thing, and I'm pretty sure that's happening with people jumping on the dedicated server bandwagon whether they know what it means or not. But it will blow over, and people will mostly be discussing the game when it comes out. As someone else said, even Too Human got a safe zone, but I don't think MW2 will actually need that. It still has everything for console gamers, and that's the focus of the forum.

Whatever though, I took a year off because I got sick of the forum so I'm hardly one to talk about taking it too seriously.

[Himu]

I can't make this any more clear. If their are rules follow them. However harshly or to the letter they want. That includes whether I get banned or you get banned or somebody else gets banned. Where the problem comes in is when the rules are made on the fly. Or they are re-imagined every time. Or they are enforced sometimes or not enforced others.

I take issue with the way that was handled, and with the way the "troll" label is slapped on people for the dumbest reaons. It aims to eliminate any genuine emotion in favor of some fake facade from fear of banishment, and that makes the threads suck, in my opinion. I'm a troll for sure, but most of those dudes most likely were not. At least, their posts weren't.

Besides, weren't those rules set up or at least executed so harshly specifically for that case? Seems rather on the fly to me, then.

It's always been very difficult to have actual game discussion on GAF. There are too many people who have too many agendas who derail threads over there so it gets even worse and even I'm guilty of that occasionally but at least I try to generally work my way back to the topic at hand. I like to talk about actual games and the good and bad about them. Not whether Activision is my favorite company, or which platform has the best graphics, or any of that bullshit. It's all drama. And GAF loves its drama more than it likes games. And the drama and the "megatons" have slowly but surely taken that forum into the shitter when it comes to actual game discussion.   

And with that I'll stop derailing this thread.
 

Very few people are objective over there. That said, I like to troll at times too. But like the GTA defense bandwagon acts like all people who are critical of the game hate GTA or think it's WORST GAME EVER LOL. On the flip side, the actual haters DO think it's WORSE GAME EVER LOL. Very few objective opinions which always results in predictable debates and discussions.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The problem is, formal or not, Kranz didn't go through the proper channels to make the official thread.  There's a lot of paying tribute (ie: sucking dick) to be named the one to make the official thread.  They're not just randomly selected.  I recalled White Man saying that they were posting some of the official thread Killzone 2 images on the GAF mod forum before they got posted on Gaming Discussion.  There is a lot of knobs to get slobbed before you can just arrogantly throw out an official thread.  To make that point known, you'll have dozens of crybabies rush out to point out that your official thread is not acceptable.  Heck, I don't doubt a lot of them PM mods and the keeper of the official threads, BruceLeeRoy, about the travesty being committed.  Also with the designer of the numerous graphics who probably would feel cheated knowing their 2-3 weeks of work was all for naught.

In short: too many egos will prevent such a thread going, no matter how legitimate.

Also, GAF is not meant to be taken seriously.  Well, for us anyway.  The forum is essentially a support group.  Fanboys have their various enclaves to camp out at and poking the camps with a stick is like poking at a hornet's nest.  System warriors fight bravely using anecdotal references, estimations, and are controlled by the wise sages who are typically the ones that catalog sales data.  A smaller group are the forum anarchists, that like the Joker, sometimes just wants to see everything burn.  These are often the contrarians and thread usurpers like omg rite who latch onto threads, drain it of its potential, and turn it into a needless controversial thread.  They essentially run into a thread, shit it up, and then bail.  Then you have the veterans that usually ridicule the newbies and talk about the good old days.  They are usually ignored because they lack the hyperbole and need to prove themselves that many others depend on.

[fistfulofmetal]

i didn't have to do anything special when i made my Riddick official thread. i just made it.

[Himu]

Seriously. When I make a thread I make it. I discuss it some others and we'll agree on who makes the thread and we take turns.

[Stoney Mason]

i didn't have to do anything special when i made my Riddick official thread. i just made it.

There is never any real issue with making a thread for a game that is unpopular on GAF or people are barely aware of. The general rule of thumb over there is that the people in an active thread for a popular game decide and it's well known by the regulars way ahead of time who is going to make the official thread.

[M3wThr33]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377805

 

R2 was rushed and horrible. The trophies were either boring or EVIL. The graphics and textures were underwhelming. The pacing was just nasty.
R1 was sex.

[Don Flamenco]

Also, GAF is not meant to be taken seriously.  Well, for us anyway. 

I totally agree with your other points, but the analysis of gaf is usually pretty serious here.  We get the banned gaffers with broken hearts analyzing what went wrong, talking about how things could be better, and then saying they never loved that bitch to begin with.  It's a sad tale of unrequited love or something    

[Stoney Mason]

R2 was rushed

I won't dispute the rest and I've always thought Resistance in general was a bit over-rated but they pretty much took the usual 24 months (2 years) to make the sequel which is pretty standard. It was most likely a case of biting off more than they could chew rather than being rushed in the traditional sense.

[duckman2000]

Wait, all those awesome sci-fi weapons were REMOVED from R2?

Yeah. They basically removed the successful Insomniac-brand bits and made a game for the critics. Resistance may have been derivative, but at least it was derivative of classic PC games with some typical Insomniac goodies, as opposed to the dull amalgam of current flavors that was Resistance 2. And there was an atmosphere and sense of mystery to it that they completely ditched for the sequel.

Very disappointing.

[duckman2000]

I really liked the multiplayer of Resistance, felt very polished and full featured. The second one felt messy.

[AdmiralViscen]

That's exactly what they did. And the actual gameplay and handling of the multiplayer was like a hybrid of CoD and Halo that made it decent fun but not really worth playing instead of the other two.

[bork]

Basically, you just forget that Resistance 2 came out and play Resistance Retribution on PSP instead.

I did think that the multiplayer in R2 was solid enough.  Nothing special, but solid.

[Third]

Resistance 2 is better than Killzone 2.

[duckman2000]

Resistance 2 is better than Killzone 2.

Bull. KZ2 is choice FPS stuff, great A.I. and weapons, it's just really one note. Can't say much about MP for either, I ended up going back to COD4 after short stints with each game.

[Third]

Well, at least I finished R2. I couldn't finish KZ2 because it has a boring sp.

The sp in R2 is vastly superior and much more diverse. K2 sp was very dull.

[cool breeze]

Resistance 2 single player gave me an aneurysm.  With the exception of alien ship levels that were mediocre, the rest of the game was one of the worst "big" fps games I've played.  The only other shooter that bad I've played was The Conduit.  Both games made the demo for Haze seem like Far Cry 2.  I'm never going near another thing made by High Voltage.  Insomniac gets off the hook because I've enjoyed their games before this.

And yeah, Resistance Retribution is a way better game.  Bend is awesome.

[Jansen]

both r2 and k2 are terrible but atleast r2 had decent controls which makes it the better of the two shitfests.

[Third]

Both R2 and KZ2 sp were better than Halo 3's sp, though.

Now that was terrible. I couldn't play longer than a few levels. So boring, and so ugly. KZ2 has at least the great graphics.

[AdmiralViscen]

R2 has an atrocious campaign, I couldn't even bring myself to finish it. I got up to some desert area with bugs from The Mummy, maybe a level or so past that. It sucked. KZ2 wasn't super special but at least I got to the end.

R2 multi is probably better than KZ2's, but it's so uninspired that it doesn't really matter.

Halo 3 campaign takes a shit on both, especially in co op. Multiplayer is probably a wash based on preference.

[fistfulofmetal]

I'm completely serious when I say someone at Insomniac needs to fucking come out and explain those Google Maps textures. Just say "Hey, we ran out of time" and I'll be fine.

[bork]

The best multiplayer PS3-only game is Uncharted 2.  Before that I would have said Warhawk, but that was never all that great.

Resistance 2 is better than Killzone 2.

This is like saying "a smelly puddle of piss is better than a stinky pile of shit."

[BlackMage]

your dog needs a makeover

[CajoleJuice]

[M3wThr33]

R2 was rushed

I won't dispute the rest and I've always thought Resistance in general was a bit over-rated but they pretty much took the usual 24 months (2 years) to make the sequel which is pretty standard. It was most likely a case of biting off more than they could chew rather than being rushed in the traditional sense.

Well, the main reason I feel that is the graphics just aren't fleshed out evenly throughout the campaign. Some of the textures and models are really fucking detailed then placed right next to a blurry fucking simple box. It's a very jarring experience when it seems like you're playing a beta and only half the game is in HD.

I'm far from one to bitch about graphics and I'm a Sony whore, but it just ruins the moment every time in R2 when I see shitty texturing and modeling.

[duckman2000]

I thought the forest level looked good, but the SF bit was absolutely ghastly. It felt like they basically tried to run a 360/PC game on a system that was never designed for that.

I never actually finished the game, I got to some big battle in some alien structure and figured I'd have more fun just playing COD4 instead. So, did they ever develop the Cloven thing? See, Resistance actually had thi somber mystical mood with all these cool story tidbits if you cared to look for journals, like the Cloven. In the time spent with R2, none of that was present.

[Himu]

poor guy has a thyroid problem.  he is sixty pounds overweight and losing his hair.  his ears fill up with fluid and have to be drained every week or so. :'(

Poor doggy

[M3wThr33]

I thought the forest level looked good, but the SF bit was absolutely ghastly. It felt like they basically tried to run a 360/PC game on a system that was never designed for that.

I never actually finished the game, I got to some big battle in some alien structure and figured I'd have more fun just playing COD4 instead. So, did they ever develop the Cloven thing? See, Resistance actually had thi somber mystical mood with all these cool story tidbits if you cared to look for journals, like the Cloven. In the time spent with R2, none of that was present.

R2 has no story. It was just a rushed (in the game pacing sense) affair. Everything flowed from one bit to the next, like Metroid Prime with nothing to scan.

[Himu]

[youtube=560,345]3hOHY2eEXOY[/youtube]
 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Also, GAF is not meant to be taken seriously.  Well, for us anyway. 

I totally agree with your other points, but the analysis of gaf is usually pretty serious here.  We get the banned gaffers with broken hearts analyzing what went wrong, talking about how things could be better, and then saying they never loved that bitch to begin with.  It's a sad tale of unrequited love or something    

I do a lot of analysis on GAF and I haven't been banned this year or if I was, it was for a small time early in the year.  I was banned for 7 months last year. 

The forum will never get better because the forum is too big.  It is difficult to control the conversations that go on there.  You can lock threads but the sentiment remains and just gets dragged onto another thread.  That and you have the guys like WickedAngel or omg rite whose only purpose it seems is to stop a thread's momentum dead in its tracks and make it about themselves.  Their skills to pull this off is amazing.

The support group thing I was talking about is mostly reinforcing the ideas that they are OK and anyone who says differently is the problem.  It is why the girl-age threads never work.  The guys who are virgins on that thread don't want to change it - they just want to mope about, whine about how hard it is to get laid, but refuse to take any steps to change it.  If you press the issue enough, they or another virgin will lash out.  Girl-age threads are just support groups for virgins to tell other virgins that it is ok to be a virgin.  A non-virgin will be told that he doesn't know what it is like to be a 25 year old virgin and why it is somehow hopeless.  Then you get the troll/joke posts.  Few want to legitimately better themselves and wrap themselves in a few hypocrisies; again, when mentioning them, you get angry posts from them.

[Kestastrophe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377769

I love how people pretend to know something about economics. See:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18169218&postcount=13(No offense, Kosma )

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18176987&postcount=55

[Kestastrophe]

My opinion:

Many economists, myself included, believe that China’s asset-buying spree helped inflate the housing bubble, setting the stage for the global financial crisis. But China’s insistence on keeping the yuan/dollar rate fixed, even when the dollar declines, may be doing even more harm now.

By pursuing a weak-currency policy, China is siphoning some of that inadequate demand away from other nations, which is hurting growth almost everywhere. The biggest victims, by the way, are probably workers in other poor countries.

And I don't disagree with ToxicAdam that Clinton played a significant role in enabling China, but this is in retrospect. As Krugman states in the ariticle, the Yuan exchange rate wasn't too far off until late 2001.

The simplest way I could possibly explain this is by Balance of Payments equilibrium, but most of those currency interdependencies are common sensical (e.g. devalued currency => increased demand for that country's goods = increased exports for that country)

[Don Flamenco]

Holy shit i'm brwosing GAF and I see this picture:

*dog*

And i'm like "that looks like my parents dog.  And no shit, it is my parents dog.

*dog*

Posted here.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355399&page=147

Weird place the internet.

That person probably got that from here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/9wgo5/my_dog_is_a_fat_ass_this_is_how_he_rolls/

weird.  how did pics of your dog end up on the internet?

also, instead paying attention to that dumb thread, you should be watching this video:
[youtube=560,345]6d-tNXxTRBA[/youtube]

did none of you fuckers watch this shit?!!  goddamn, quoted for a second chance  :'(

[Phoenix Dark]

That video is pretty old dude

[Don Flamenco]

That video is pretty old dude

oh didn't know it was already posted.

[Dickie Dee]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

 

[Beezy]

 

[Himu]

[Fresh Prince]

I;m waiting for the parodies particularly jewish and asian friends.