Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 1312822 times)

Nintex · « **Reply #12600 on:** October 03, 2022, 11:15:49 AM »

Seems to me like they just needed someone to hold the bag.

Which explains why Ben Wallace and a bunch of others passed on this and the Labour party isn't really pushing hard for new elections either.

The Shitting on Liz's braindead economic plan is just a smokescreen for what is really happening, the Pound, Yen and Euro are equally collapsing as investors flee to the dollar and inflation skyrockets.
We'll soon see US corporations adjust their overseas prices.

Ukraine has taken Borova, now moving on Svatove.
Once again outflanking the Russian defenders.
https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1576935003195248641

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12601 on:** October 03, 2022, 12:15:26 PM »

Eventually Ukraine will be unable to push the line forward and there will be a stalemate situation, similar to what happened earlier in the summer. But with winter coming and these cities back under Ukrainian control I'm not sure what Russia can do conventionally. The HIMARs/artillery are being moved up, the weapons keep pouring in. Any attempt to zerg rush these newly fortified positions will end in disaster for unprepared and poorly equipped Russian soldiers.

Nintex · « **Reply #12602 on:** October 03, 2022, 12:40:12 PM »

Well after Lyman Russia is running out of places to organize this stalemate in Luhansk.

Svatove for example is surrounded by a forest and thus nearly impossible to defend.
The Russians pulled back to the Svatove, Kreminna line but there is no such thing. The Ukrainians can just outflank them through the woods.

This is why Russia 'fears' a NATO owned Ukraine because it's impossible to defend their borders on such a wide front.
You either have to stay and fight in cities (which is useless against arial and missile attacks in modern warfare) or you have to fortify a defensive line across the entire front.
Ukraine faced the same problem when they were on the defense. All they could do was stall Russia in cities like Mariupol. Using giant factories as fortresses.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12603 on:** October 03, 2022, 01:54:13 PM »

Winter and heavier artillery should hold much of that for Ukraine against these noobs. At which point I'm not sure what Putin does.

But even before that Ukraine is gonna continue striking across annexed lines and likely retake it without a massive Russian response. He basically has to use nukes at that point if the goal is truly to keep the territory right? I'm not even sure where he'd drop a bomb though, which is the other issue.

Uncle · « **Reply #12604 on:** October 03, 2022, 02:50:48 PM »

putin starts scouring 8 year old neogaf threads for their tactical value

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-dont-we-just-nuke-isis-isil-whatever-theyre-called.902633/

Nintex · « **Reply #12605 on:** October 03, 2022, 03:21:49 PM »

Even China warns Putin against using nukes. Apparently he wants to stage a test in the black sea within days to show he's not bluffing.
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1577000685593587712

Occam · « **Reply #12606 on:** October 03, 2022, 03:59:06 PM »

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1576989220937269249

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12607 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:06:29 PM »

This guy just isn't smart...

Occam · « **Reply #12608 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:07:47 PM »

Muskrat? Yeah, he has made it abundantly clear that he's a moron.

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1576981720854802433

Nintex · « **Reply #12609 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:11:18 PM »

Elon Musk is doing anime betrayal his Starlink is vital for Ukrainian communications.

Occam · « **Reply #12610 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:14:02 PM »

Yeah, about that...

U.S. quietly paying millions to send Starlink terminals to Ukraine, contrary to SpaceX claims
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/08/us-quietly-paying-millions-send-starlink-terminals-ukraine-contrary-spacexs-claims/

Nintex · « **Reply #12611 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:21:44 PM »

Quote

the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) announced it has purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine, while the company donated nearly 3,670 terminals and the Internet service itself.

Sounds like the US government bought additional units on top of those donated by SpaceX plus they handled the shipping through military channels (which makes sense).

Raist · « **Reply #12612 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:23:39 PM »

One load blew before the other could.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1576961509749850112

james · « **Reply #12613 on:** October 03, 2022, 04:36:23 PM »

Little concerned that all these Ukraine gains are Russia baiting them into a nuclear surprise. Then they can claim that because the land is Russian (see vote) its not an international issue to conduct nuke tests on Russian soil

Will be a bad day for the stock market

Occam · « **Reply #12614 on:** October 03, 2022, 05:06:47 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 04:21:44 PM

Quote
the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) announced it has purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine, while the company donated nearly 3,670 terminals and the Internet service itself.
Sounds like the US government bought additional units on top of those donated by SpaceX plus they handled the shipping through military channels (which makes sense).

You missed the relevant part:

Quote

Since then, the company has cast the actions in part as a charitable gesture. “I’m proud that we were able to provide the terminals to folks in Ukraine,” SpaceX president Gwynne Shotwell said at a public event last month, later telling CNBC, “I don’t think the U.S. has given us any money to give terminals to the Ukraine.”

But according to documents obtained by The Technology 202, the U.S. federal government is in fact paying millions of dollars for a significant portion of the equipment and for the transportation costs to get it to Ukraine.

Nintex · « **Reply #12615 on:** October 03, 2022, 05:22:03 PM »

In Ukraine they work fast

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577025320393199616

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12616 on:** October 03, 2022, 05:55:18 PM »

Quote from: james on October 03, 2022, 04:36:23 PM

Little concerned that all these Ukraine gains are Russia baiting them into a nuclear surprise. Then they can claim that because the land is Russian (see vote) its not an international issue to conduct nuke tests on Russian soil

Will be a bad day for the stock market

Too much galaxy brain shit for me. This invasion was stupid and should have killed any "Putin the master strategist" stuff but it persists no matter how many embarrassments the Russian forces take. In the early days/weeks, when Ukraine was clowning Russia in open battlefield situations the argument was "but look at this convoy of tanks, they're gonna surround Kyiv and take it." When that failed miserably the goal posts shifted to "but now the Donbas are ripe for being taken." Then that flopped, a counteroffensive wiped out Russian lines and now suddenly you think this could be a master plan to bait a nuke strike lol?

While I agree Putin is being pushed into a corner and the nuclear option is perhaps the last card he has left, I'm not sure how that works for him. Any type of mass casualty nuclear strike would result a massacre of Russian soldiers/bases/equipment by the US Air Force and world condemnation (including China). I'm not sure how this ends but if it remains a conventional war, I just don't see how Russia can hold what they've gained - or retake much of anything they've lost. Worse yet with winter coming.

Nintex · « **Reply #12617 on:** October 03, 2022, 06:43:28 PM »

The only way for Putin to get out of this jam is to win this war and his army isn't capable of winning it.

It's going to be a slow grind with thousands of dead Russians until someone in Moscow decides they've had enough.
Unfortunately that is likely to be an ultra nationalist like the leader of Wagner (who also has the military means for a coup) with the help of Kadyrov or Putin himself who replaces the top military brass.
The latter is now sort of being communicated on the state TV channels. They call for Russia to regroup, fix the logistics, produce more arms and properly train the mobilized forces into new armies.
That all sounds good on paper but they can't do any of those things fast enough to save their army now.

People are starting to call this war 'Rumsfeldian' as just like in Iraq a war is being fought based on a political reality that is disconnected from the conditions on the battlefield.
As Rumsfeld himself put it: "You fight with the army you have, not with the army you want". The US lacked the troops they actually needed to occupy and secure Iraq, which meant widespread looting and ultimately an insurrection.
There's not much the Russians on the front can do except wait for the home front to get their shit in order and properly supply and reinforce the army.

Nintex · « **Reply #12618 on:** October 03, 2022, 06:50:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1577064644560273412

Jesus

Nintex · « **Reply #12619 on:** October 04, 2022, 12:58:47 PM »

Total collapse of the Kherson front

https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1577280165377638400

james · « **Reply #12620 on:** October 04, 2022, 01:17:46 PM »

Looks like a bunch of farms.

"Gains" lol theyre just driving their tractors through

Occam · « **Reply #12621 on:** October 04, 2022, 01:18:03 PM »

Now would be the perfect time for former Soviet republics to break ties with Moscow and free themselves. There is nothing Putler could do.

Nintex · « **Reply #12622 on:** October 04, 2022, 01:40:11 PM »

Quote from: james on October 04, 2022, 01:17:46 PM

Looks like a bunch of farms.

"Gains" lol theyre just driving their tractors through

They advanced 70km in 4 hours.

Basically what remains of the Kherson front is now within Ukrainian artillery range.
The Russians can't escape or reinforce because the bridges have been destroyed.

james · « **Reply #12623 on:** October 04, 2022, 01:45:21 PM »

Nintex, Ive played literally thousands of hours of Civilization. It doesnt matter how many units you move forward, the borders dont change until you take over the city, wait 7 turns, and start building temples to expand your culture. It is literally impossible for the lines to have moved.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12624 on:** October 04, 2022, 01:52:28 PM »

So when Kherson is completely taken and no nukes fly...

Nintex · « **Reply #12625 on:** October 04, 2022, 03:23:51 PM »

The schadenfreude is big on the Russian side.

https://twitter.com/komadovsky/status/1577376731903705112

"Help help, we're dying send air support!"

In other news they've run out of Lada's
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1577275692747980800

Nintex · « **Reply #12626 on:** October 04, 2022, 05:08:06 PM »

https://twitter.com/NickDM/status/1577166762688159745

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1577235804686258179

So basically, Russia doesn't really know what's going on the battlefield and they can't tell friends from foes.

Ukraine has sattelite intelligence and vehicle identifiers.

benjipwns · « **Reply #12627 on:** October 04, 2022, 05:45:12 PM »

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/212095934039990272

Nintex · « **Reply #12628 on:** October 04, 2022, 06:27:49 PM »

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577421969133539328

Wait which Korea?

BrokenVerses · « **Reply #12629 on:** October 04, 2022, 07:25:33 PM »

Another terrible day for Russia I see.

Potato · « **Reply #12630 on:** October 04, 2022, 09:11:11 PM »

Quote from: BrokenVerses on October 04, 2022, 07:25:33 PM

Another terrible day for Russia I see.

Has Russia had a good day in.......oh, I don't know....about 700 years?

Nintex · « **Reply #12631 on:** October 05, 2022, 03:28:38 AM »

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1577549381947035649

Mission accomplished

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1577483753278083072

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12632 on:** October 05, 2022, 10:31:18 AM »

So when Kherson falls I guess he'll memory hole that signature?

Nintex · « **Reply #12633 on:** October 05, 2022, 02:10:08 PM »

https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1577562406733193218

So uh you like fish guys?

Putin has promoted Kadyrov to General

Raist · « **Reply #12634 on:** October 05, 2022, 02:23:28 PM »

Russia introduces a new service: Uber Tanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xwfxqv/footage_taken_by_ukrainian_troops_of_a_russian/

Nintex · « **Reply #12635 on:** October 05, 2022, 02:57:21 PM »

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1577658401533968384

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12636 on:** October 05, 2022, 03:18:47 PM »

Today's conflict would not exist if there were no attempts by Kyiv to "correct history and revive neo-Nazism."

So Putin (again) states NATO had nothing to do with this huh.

Nintex · « **Reply #12637 on:** October 05, 2022, 03:26:26 PM »

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1577724987934666752

"Our weapons is a write offs from warehouses, it is not functioning, built in 70's, many have pneumonia with high fever, we have no body armor or helmets"

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577441687915606017

Captured soldier, not paid for 5 months.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12638 on:** October 05, 2022, 03:37:44 PM »

https://twitter.com/BonnieGlaser/status/1577693233957769217

Nintex · « **Reply #12639 on:** October 05, 2022, 05:45:05 PM »

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288

Nintex · « **Reply #12640 on:** October 05, 2022, 06:54:43 PM »

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577780691626037248

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1577772051628277760

Uncle · « **Reply #12641 on:** October 05, 2022, 08:23:49 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 05:45:05 PM

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288

they think a lot of members are quietly in favor of russia but can't openly say so for fear of backlash from the rest of the group or back home?

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #12642 on:** October 05, 2022, 08:44:15 PM »

They don't want to lose further soft power when allies vote against them.

Uncle · « **Reply #12643 on:** October 05, 2022, 08:47:17 PM »

ah like china who has been publicly concerned about the threat of nukes

well if you have a secret ballot and and there are 100 people and it's 99 to 1, it's not exactly secret anymore is it?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12644 on:** October 05, 2022, 09:03:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577780691626037248

hmmm

benjipwns · « **Reply #12645 on:** October 05, 2022, 09:54:29 PM »

Quote from: Uncle on October 05, 2022, 08:23:49 PM

they think a lot of members are quietly in favor of russia but can't openly say so for fear of backlash from the rest of the group or back home?

Good chance there's a lot of votes who may not want to condone this specific annexation but also not potentially set precedent for the UN opposing other annexations. A secret vote allows everyone to make multiple different claims about the meaning of it while also potentially withholding their own vote. "I don't want to breach the sanctity of the secret vote by revealing our vote." Etc.

Nintex · « **Reply #12646 on:** October 06, 2022, 01:31:14 PM »

There's a bunch of countries like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Belarus, China, Turkey, Iran, India, Japan, Serbia, Sudan many places in Africa and Central Asia etc. that would probably vote against or abstain in a secret ballot.
They can't in public though, not without significant backlash.

If Putin had taken Kyiv in February it would've been a done deal and a lot of countries would've accepted the new situation.
The only reason this drags on with so much NATO support is that the Russians fucked it all up.

Nintex · « **Reply #12647 on:** October 07, 2022, 01:20:41 PM »

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1578384904097759236

Ok, who has the balls to fly a drone into the Kremlin. It's not like they have any air defense.

ANIME BETRAYAL
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1578413981076983808

Nintex · « **Reply #12648 on:** October 07, 2022, 02:28:21 PM »

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1578437119214657536

Sman · « **Reply #12649 on:** October 08, 2022, 02:39:11 AM »

Large fire on the Crimean bridge. Fuel tank is the source.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63183404

Cause of fire... undetermined.

Nintex · « **Reply #12650 on:** October 08, 2022, 04:28:00 AM »

It was an attack
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1578632518307545089

https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1578639570866176000

Or rather a birthday gift
https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464

Nintex · « **Reply #12651 on:** October 08, 2022, 04:44:28 AM »

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1578628414197485569

Ukraine does not fuck around

Nintex · « **Reply #12652 on:** October 08, 2022, 11:37:25 AM »

Unconfirmed reports of arrests in Moscow
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1578753112709308416

HaughtyFrank · « **Reply #12653 on:** October 08, 2022, 02:08:32 PM »

Putin personally opened that crimea bridge back in 2018. Even drove the first truck across. Guess he didn't see that coming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/16/putin-made-a-show-of-crossing-the-new-crimea-bridge-but-he-was-upstaged-by-a-cat/

A strong strategic and symbolic blow packed into one.

Nintex · « **Reply #12654 on:** October 08, 2022, 02:09:13 PM »

The Cats already knew

That's like the 5th(?) this week
https://twitter.com/JPN_PMO/status/1578792196756893696

Not just a state of emergency but a maximum state of emergency

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1578801253207126017

Kim looks healthy for a drug addict on downers

Nintex · « **Reply #12655 on:** October 09, 2022, 01:46:04 PM »

I've never seen him so shook

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1579164370445094915

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12656 on:** October 09, 2022, 05:49:19 PM »

Can't believe NK's ballistic missile took out the Crimea bridge.

Nintex · « **Reply #12657 on:** October 09, 2022, 05:52:56 PM »

https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/1579225223995564032

https://twitter.com/LiveFromKenya/status/1577414127424868352

Nintex · « **Reply #12658 on:** October 10, 2022, 03:16:27 AM »

Ukrainian cities are being heavily bombed this morning

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1579364362305048577

Potato · « **Reply #12659 on:** October 10, 2022, 03:23:02 AM »

Don't they know they are just being liberated from their Nazi oppressors?

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