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« Reply #23100 on: November 10, 2016, 04:51:40 PM »
Benji, it's not the same set of people each time. :doge

That said, prevalent attitudes about anything don't just pop into existence from nothing.
That sounds like it popped in from nothing. :doge
For someone who has studied more bar graphs charting people's sentiments than I have pornography, you're pretty dismissive of the idea that one person's attitudes can be influenced by other people's attitudes.

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« Reply #23101 on: November 10, 2016, 04:52:25 PM »
18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

Also 18-29 is a pretty large block.  I'd understand 19% in 18-22 range, but by the time you're 25-29 you're a fucking adult and past-college and you should be realizing the world around you matters and these elections have direct effects on you, so you would think people would be voting.


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« Reply #23102 on: November 10, 2016, 04:53:38 PM »
18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)

holy fuck i just realized i'm no longer in this demographic
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« Reply #23103 on: November 10, 2016, 04:55:02 PM »
For someone who has studied more bar graphs charting people's sentiments than I have pornography, you're pretty dismissive of the idea that one person's attitudes can be influenced by other people's attitudes.
It's not the vote itself that changes other people's votes.

Or is it? We can't know until we count them all...

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« Reply #23104 on: November 10, 2016, 04:55:18 PM »
So it turns out I called it. But then I read poligaf and got sucked into their hysteria. Fucking hell.

I watched the debate on Univision NYC and afterwards they had an Hispanic focus group.

They unanimously said Bernie won.

They were asked what their favorite parts were. Free college and healthcare of course, but one woman said "I really liked how Bernie knows about American intervention in Latin America and how that affected us"

The fact is, Hillarys hawkish intervention past is toxic for Hispanics because US intervention in the Americans is hated by 99% of them (us).

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I love how they have to post 30 times in a row that Hillary "has it" which makes it pretty damn clear how nervous they are that theyre backing such a weak candidate.

When youre winning, you dont need to repeat 100 times that youre winning so everyone knows that youre winning and guys seriously we're winning, guys, guys guys?

Trump vs Hillary

Trump wins Ohio and Pennsylvania. I guarantee it.

Im buying as soon as those markets go online on predictit

This is going to be a different election.

Blue dogs voting dems is over. Obama and Hills have strongly supported closing down coal and also strongly support free trade agreements that kill the rust belt. Say what you want about free trade, the fact is, the American manufacturer loses, and free trade policies have not included ANY mitigation for these job losses. Look at Detroit, Youngstown, Pittsburgh etc.

Unions have only voted Dem because Republicans have been fighting to kill unions. Not that Dems have done anything to strengthen or protect unions, they simply have been less-worse. And quite frankly, every time an R wants to pass an anti-union measure, they win. D puts up a half-assed fight but loses. What was the last pro-labor thing the Dems did?

Trump isnt a standard R. He wants tariffs that WILL bring back manufacturing jobs. As far as I know, hes said nothing anti-union, and I believe all his hotel workers are unionized. He also has been very pro-cop (aka, pro union cop).

If Trump takes the manufacturing core of our country, he wins, 270 to 268

http://www.270towin.com/maps/qKZp6

Look at that mother fucking map.

I nailed it so hard Hillarys ass is still sore

My favorite part of this election is how his ceiling has gone up from 20% to apparently, now 45%.

Every single person who voted for Romney will vote for Trump. But Trump will also get all the blue collar white voters who stayed home thanks to the 47% comments + anti-union message.

Remember how in the general election, Mass and Maryland voted R for governor? You know how Wisconsin and Ohio keep voting for their same idiot R governors over and over again? Remember how Florida voted for the guy who robbed from their medicare accounts?

You dont think those same voters will vote Trump?

Im a god damn prodigy

But please, rationalize how the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and most of the states at all levels but theyre the party in disarray that no one would ever vote for, especially with a populist candidate against Hillary "I lost last time" Clinton.

Ask Martha Coakley how that works out.


Coakley was a shitty candidate that lost two elections in a solid Dem state.


My point exactly. Hillary is losing primary after primary in solid Dem states like Michigan and Vermont.

And she already lost 8 years ago.


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Pretty much all of your examples can be answered by "core parts of the Dem coalition (namely young people and minorities) don't turn out in off year elections, while old white people do." The dems lost heavily in 2010 and 2014; strangely they seemed to do alright in 2012 when, you know, there was a presidential election. They did especially awful in 2014 because they had a shit ton of Senate seats to defend from the 2008 election.

But sure. Let's ignore all that because America is ready to elect a racist fascist. K.

Dems won in 2008 and 2012. Yup. You argue its because it was a presidential year.

Uh, how did that work out in 2000 and 2004?

Maybe youth turned out because Obama was on the ticket?

You know, someone who wont be on the ticket this year?

Last I checked, 90% of the youth vote is going AGAINST Hillary.

You think theyre going to turn out this November to vote for her, rather than stay home and drink Mountain Dew like they did in 2014, 2010, 2006, 2004, 2002, 2000 and 1998?

I mean, am I right or am I always right?

"After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval. He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65% higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman."


Anyone care to remind me how that worked out for his VP. which ran for president in 2000, a year Ive been told has huge Democrat turnout?

On the backs of a soaring economy?

And a balanced budget?

Anyone?

Anyone?

You know what would be cool?

One person, one vote.

IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD WHY DOES AMERICA HATE DEMOCRACY

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« Reply #23105 on: November 10, 2016, 04:56:30 PM »
Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

Also 18-29 is a pretty large block.  I'd understand 19% in 18-22 range, but by the time you're 25-29 you're a fucking adult and past-college and you should be realizing the world around you matters and these elections have direct effects on you, so you would think people would be voting.
There's the rub. Maybe it's hopeless though, given that the number is so stable in recent elections.

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« Reply #23106 on: November 10, 2016, 04:56:53 PM »
Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 
That's their share of the voters. 19% of the voters. I shouldn't have said turnout.

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« Reply #23107 on: November 10, 2016, 04:57:10 PM »
Even Jaydubya is anti-Trump. We finally agree on something, mate. Viva tejas.
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« Reply #23108 on: November 10, 2016, 05:01:02 PM »
For someone who has studied more bar graphs charting people's sentiments than I have pornography, you're pretty dismissive of the idea that one person's attitudes can be influenced by other people's attitudes.
It's not the vote itself that changes other people's votes.

Or is it? We can't know until we count them all...
What are you even getting at right now? :lol

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« Reply #23109 on: November 10, 2016, 05:01:05 PM »
Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

Also 18-29 is a pretty large block.  I'd understand 19% in 18-22 range, but by the time you're 25-29 you're a fucking adult and past-college and you should be realizing the world around you matters and these elections have direct effects on you, so you would think people would be voting.
There's the rub. Maybe it's hopeless though, given that the number is so stable in recent elections.

I still think it's time for the democrats to try Reagan-type superstar.  Too bad Tom Cruise is crazy scientologist, I'm trying to think of really big name drawn in famous people that would get star support across the map.  Matt Damon?  Leo?  A Bernie/Kanye 2020 ticket would be really interesting.  I think a VP slot would actually be a perfect spot to put in some superstar that brings in the youth since VP doesn't really do anything and is just a showpiece anyhow. 

Like Hillary should have gone with Bernie for the VP.  I don't care about any of the stupid proud reasons or the 1% of democrats who would feel Bernie betrayed them by doing so, it would have motivated more of the Bernie voters to come and vote for the general than what they actually got.  I actually think in a close primary with two popular candidates, it probably would make more sense going forward to combo them after so you don't split your base and leave half of them unhappy with the party.

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« Reply #23110 on: November 10, 2016, 05:02:18 PM »
:bow james :bow

You know if I hadnt been permed from GAF I could have gotten through the echo chamber





 :neogaf

They would have permed me for trolling by saying that Trump could win Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #23111 on: November 10, 2016, 05:04:32 PM »
Alright Nostradamus, when do we all get nuked?

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« Reply #23112 on: November 10, 2016, 05:07:23 PM »
Although unlikely, I wonder if we could see a situation when the DNC are behind the ball again and run an anti-establishment candidate next, but Trump fucks things up so bad people turn on anti-establishment and want a traditional politician to bring things back to how they were and they lose again. 

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« Reply #23113 on: November 10, 2016, 05:11:34 PM »
Yeah I'd already decided especially because I primary voted against Trump and celebrated his lack of delegates that I couldn't then be all mwahaha when fucko won, but if I had a GAF account right not - impossible given how anyone who is one standard deviation away from Malkan group think gets boxed - I would fucking lose it immediately and quite gleefully.

I was sad yesterday, but today I would absolutely be going all out and rubbing it in deep.

I dont think my account would last an hour.
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« Reply #23114 on: November 10, 2016, 05:16:17 PM »
I am happy about the inevitable promised tax cuts.  I am happy about the inevitable promised annihilation of Obamacare.

I am less happy about the fact that there is no chance that without significant resistance from "his own party" that he has by no means made campaign promises consistent with fiscal responsibility.


P.S. Remember that debt ceiling thing?  It's back.

Step 1: Spend $100bn on infrastructure
Step 2: Spend $100bn on military and veterans
Step 3: Do not raise debt ceiling
Step 4:
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« Reply #23115 on: November 10, 2016, 05:20:01 PM »
Jesus the Republicans will raise the debt ceiling no problem. Are you serious with that shit?
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« Reply #23116 on: November 10, 2016, 05:26:08 PM »
I am happy about the inevitable promised tax cuts.  I am happy about the inevitable promised annihilation of Obamacare.

I am significantly less happy about the fact that there is no chance that without significant resistance from "his own party" that he has by no means made campaign promises consistent with fiscal responsibility.


P.S. Remember that debt ceiling thing?  It's back.  They raised it a lot last time to the glee of many and the chagrin of me.  And we hit it again in March.

I'm guessing you're making $1 million+/year?  Because hell, I make plenty and my taxes may even go slightly down, but I still feel like any change will be so minor it doesn't matter unless you're a 1%er and in return tons of stuff is going to get fucked because there isn't enough money to cover it.  I agree the government is bloated and wastes a ton of money, but since they're never going to cut down on the biggest costs like military spending, taxes are a necessary evil and if you want to lower them you end up defunding important things like education even further.

I think a lot of people who are happy for Obamacare being destroyed are not going to be happy with whatever replaces it.  Especially since Premiums aren't going to go down so everyone will most likely be paying the same amount for worse health insurance and everyone has any condition at all and got insured through Obamacare, which probably is millions of republicans are going to find themselves without insurance or with insurance they can't afford and probably just all die along with democrats in the same situation.  Going to be fun!  :|

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« Reply #23117 on: November 10, 2016, 05:26:58 PM »
Folks, this candidate would have won the primary and the election:

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Embarked on a grassroots campaign to, in his own words, "take back America from the confederacy of corruption, careerism, and campaign consulting in Washington". In his stump speech, first used while officially announcing his candidacy on the steps of Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he told listeners that he would only be accepting campaign contributions from individuals and that he would not accept over $100. Continuing with his populist reform theme, he assailed what he dubbed "the bipartisan Incumbent Party in Washington" and called for term limits for members of Congress. Citing various recent scandals on Capitol Hill, particularly the recent House banking scandal and the large congressional pay-raises, he promised to put an end to Congress being a "Stop-and-Shop for the moneyed special interests".

His name?
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« Reply #23118 on: November 10, 2016, 05:27:58 PM »
https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/796795500670251009

"Oh fuck we have to deal with the Saudi Arabian King who supplies us with Oil. And he doesn't like what we are saying. Better change it and say we were talking shit!" 

It's only been two days and one of his main campaign promises is up in smoke.

The "Deplorables" already are the "Disposables" :betty

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« Reply #23119 on: November 10, 2016, 05:30:23 PM »
The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.
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« Reply #23120 on: November 10, 2016, 05:33:13 PM »
I love his folksy charm as much as anyone and he's not a raging egomaniac, but he's the man who authorized Guantanamo, black sites, torture, widespread surveillance and getting into an unnecessary war despite a lot of international unrest, ignoring and lying to the UN in the process.

that was probably all Cheney

Does it matter? That's probably gonna be the worst part of Trump's presidency; not the shitty stuff he'll do, but the shitty stuff he's gonna let other people do just because he doesn't know or care.

From what Kasich said, I kinda expect him to let Pence do all the heavy lifting. He still has shit to do when this is over, so might as well try and shift the responsibility and culpability to the next sucker anyway.

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« Reply #23121 on: November 10, 2016, 05:35:06 PM »
So are we sure Johnson and Trump aren't related?

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« Reply #23122 on: November 10, 2016, 05:35:57 PM »
So when the counts come in for Arizona/Michigan/NH, there's still a chance Trump will end up actually winning the popular vote, too. Poor Amirox.

Is California done?

There are always more D votes in California
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« Reply #23123 on: November 10, 2016, 05:43:12 PM »
Although unlikely, I wonder if we could see a situation when the DNC are behind the ball again and run an anti-establishment candidate next, but Trump fucks things up so bad people turn on anti-establishment and want a traditional politician to bring things back to how they were and they lose again.

Kerry lost too. It's personality that makes voters have faith in the change you're bringing.

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« Reply #23124 on: November 10, 2016, 05:47:28 PM »
Man, it is tough listening to a hockey dressing  room full of (mostly) white cops talk about the election.

They don't "like" that Trump won, because on some level they recognize him for the cartoon character he is, but.....ugh.    :-/
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« Reply #23125 on: November 10, 2016, 05:52:35 PM »
Man, it is tough listening to a hockey dressing  room full of (mostly) white cops talk about the election.

They don't "like" that Trump won, because on some level they recognize him for the cartoon character he is, but.....ugh.    :-/
Sounds like working in the energy industry based in Texas. Except they all like that Trump won.

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« Reply #23126 on: November 10, 2016, 05:58:21 PM »
The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

Those people won't be around to vote against you in the next election, so lol.
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« Reply #23127 on: November 10, 2016, 06:18:40 PM »
Man, it is tough listening to a hockey dressing  room full of (mostly) white cops talk about the election.

They don't "like" that Trump won, because on some level they recognize him for the cartoon character he is, but.....ugh.    :-/

How many times have you discussed pussy grabbing, real talk?

Zero.
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« Reply #23128 on: November 10, 2016, 06:47:17 PM »
Ya but hpw many times have you accidentally helped each other let off each others guns in the shower?

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« Reply #23129 on: November 10, 2016, 07:03:23 PM »
Lockheed Martin doesn't even make stuff that works. South Carolina levels of being a ward of D.C.

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« Reply #23130 on: November 10, 2016, 07:05:40 PM »
F-35s work, but it’ll be an extra $500 million if you want the “doesn’t catch fire in flight” option.

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« Reply #23132 on: November 10, 2016, 07:36:01 PM »
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-knows-a-fact-920084

He posted this or something like it a few months ago and it made sense but, Occam's razor and everything. I think Trump did want to be president but never really thought it through, and was hoping that a loss (if it did happen) would end his campaign with him being more of a household name.

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« Reply #23133 on: November 10, 2016, 07:38:16 PM »
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-knows-a-fact-920084

He posted this or something like it a few months ago and it made sense but, Occam's razor and everything. I think Trump did want to be president but never really thought it through, and was hoping that a loss (if it did happen) would end his campaign with him being more of a household name.

Same here. I see him shaking hands with Obama and it looks clear as day he doesn't want this role. But maybe that's just my imagination.
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« Reply #23134 on: November 10, 2016, 07:50:16 PM »
The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

Health saving accounts for all  :doge
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« Reply #23135 on: November 10, 2016, 07:52:25 PM »
Meh. Sounds deluded. Trump is gonna make a ton of money off being president until he dies. His name recognition will be through the roof, people will flock to make business with his family, the doors to the real old money will open to him worldwide and he'll be in high demand for speeches and books when he leaves office. That's like 100 times better (and ego fulfilling) than even a fat TV deal.

Super stressful job so being apprehensive is normal, but if it is an issue then he'll delegate the shit out if it as rumored.

Navy Seal Zach at the DNC punching Brazile out of stage.  :salute
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« Reply #23136 on: November 10, 2016, 07:55:03 PM »
Trump wanted to win to show up Obama and stroke his own ego, but he didn't actually think the whole thing through and now he's thinking about how he's going to be locked into this for at least 4 years and can't just drop it like an Atlantic City casino when he gets tired of it. Also, the Trump business is soon to be taken out of his hands completely [in theory].
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« Reply #23137 on: November 10, 2016, 08:01:19 PM »
Alright Nostradamus, when do we all get nuked?
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« Reply #23138 on: November 10, 2016, 08:11:53 PM »
Also didn't Trump do a fair share of rallies ? He spent a ton less but he did work for it.
Trump not wanting the job sounds like wishful thinking he won't go through with some of his promises.
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« Reply #23139 on: November 10, 2016, 08:15:16 PM »
Also didn't Trump do a fair share of rallies ? He spent a ton less but he did work for it.
Trump not wanting the job sounds like wishful thinking he won't go through with some of his promises.

Eh, he absolutely loves crowds so I'm not surprised by that.

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« Reply #23140 on: November 10, 2016, 08:20:11 PM »
F-35s work, but it’ll be an extra $500 million if you want the “doesn’t catch fire in flight” option.

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« Reply #23141 on: November 10, 2016, 08:20:38 PM »
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-win-starts-a-new-era-for-republicans-1478738769

Republicans are now scurrying to carry out trump's policy they previously disagreed with. Fuck republicans.

As far as I'm concerned, people who didn't vote for trump but still vote republican like AiA are very much the problem. Now those same people who disagreed with his policy are diving in head first to stay relevant and define a new definition of republicans. Basically, if you're republican you co-opt Trump and if that's the case, then fuck you. A party made up of cowards and fuckbois.
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« Reply #23142 on: November 10, 2016, 08:29:06 PM »
I don't think any Republican wildly disagreed with Trump's policies, with a little bit of leeway on the Muslim ban (now "extreme vetting") and perhaps the border wall.

The elected GOP just disagreed with his extreme persona and bringing to bear the racism, sexism and xenophobia the right had previously been able to contain under the table.

With the base now fully on board the Trump train, there's no reason to condemn his behavior. That's what the GOP electorate want. So why not indulge them?

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« Reply #23143 on: November 10, 2016, 08:50:48 PM »
If Trump gets republicans to support infrastructure spending again.
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« Reply #23144 on: November 10, 2016, 08:53:51 PM »
This graph makes a good case that Obama was only good for Obama



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« Reply #23145 on: November 10, 2016, 08:55:40 PM »
Or you know, maybe racists gonna racist.
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« Reply #23146 on: November 10, 2016, 09:20:26 PM »
Isn't it racists gonna race?

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« Reply #23147 on: November 10, 2016, 09:43:34 PM »
I was thinking how a lot of left-leaning/democrat/liberal people who live in red parts of states or red states often get sick of it and move to somewhere more liberal.  Well if this happens regularly, doesn't this just push things more red?  I mean the progressives end up in cities already progressive and the red counties have one family or one person less to go against to stay red?  I wonder how much this grouping of similar politically minded groups keeps the status quo and prevents counties from changing along with demographics.

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« Reply #23148 on: November 10, 2016, 10:14:42 PM »
You know, the one thing that I couldn't believe didn't get as much traction was when Hillary said the Reagans were great on AIDS after Nancy died. That was a one day story, she walked it back, then everyone just brushed it off. Including LGBT supporters. If there was ever a moment in the campaign where you needed to be reminded that she was a career politician who will say what she needs to say depending on where she's at, that was it for me. Absolutely disgusting.

Honestly, this gave me a lot of pause. How do you say something that fucking dumb, when you're supposed to have been involved in progressive politics for 30+ years.

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« Reply #23149 on: November 10, 2016, 10:15:36 PM »
What are we supposed to do? Why the fuck should I stay in a red state that wants to take away my rights? It's best to think of states as individual countries. Also I'm sure most people stay where their roots are anyways. I don't know too many people if any at all who have moved out from the state where we were raised even if we live in a red state. Why? Because cities generally tend to be blue enough as is without having to move.
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« Reply #23150 on: November 10, 2016, 10:25:40 PM »
Been think about the win and I think was really bothers me is that it destroys be belief that America was slowly becoming socially more equitable.  I think I truly believed that Trump wasn't electable because he's Trump and its not 1954 anymore.  This bothers me more than the things he's going to do. 

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« Reply #23151 on: November 10, 2016, 10:39:56 PM »
This graph makes a good case that Obama was only good for Obama


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tbh this is some pretty horrible party leadership

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« Reply #23152 on: November 10, 2016, 11:36:36 PM »
How's that Trump win working for you? Like I told you would happen? :smug

Wow, you sure showed us. Thanks for essentially voting for a VP that endorses conversion therapy. You're a sparkling gem of humanity.

Have fun in the write-in club with JayDubya and AiA. You'll fit right in, you two-faced piece of human garbage.

You need learn and get use to the fact you're going to receive some L's in your life, kiddo. It's just how shit is.

This "I didn't get a medal" rage is getting out of hand.
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« Reply #23153 on: November 10, 2016, 11:48:30 PM »
This graph makes a good case that Obama was only good for Obama


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tbh this is some pretty horrible party leadership

It's all been downhill since they threw Howard Dean into the bushes.
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« Reply #23154 on: November 11, 2016, 12:20:03 AM »
Trump is the antithesis of conservative economics. He bragged that he made his shit in China because there are no rules against it. Just like paying no income tax. It was allowed. whereas the gop wanting to dismantle the safety net so rich people could funnel their savings into charity to cover it.

Nonsense. He's admitting that rich people won't do it unless they are regulated to do so.
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« Reply #23155 on: November 11, 2016, 12:46:51 AM »
Well yes trump and sanders are pretty close from what I understand
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« Reply #23156 on: November 11, 2016, 01:14:27 AM »
18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)
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« Reply #23157 on: November 11, 2016, 01:53:23 AM »
Been think about the win and I think was really bothers me is that it destroys be belief that America was slowly becoming socially more equitable.  I think I truly believed that Trump wasn't electable because he's Trump and its not 1954 anymore.  This bothers me more than the things he's going to do.

There's an old debate in the Tribe--not old by Tribe standards, mind, but old enough to have largely fallen out of its collective memory here in the U.S. until the recent present--where one side says, "A country that tears itself apart to defend the honor of a small Jewish captain is somewhere worth going," and the other side points out that an innocent man had do a nickle in the can and wait over a decade to finally be exonerated while the most vibrant liberal republican society of its era behaved more like a quinquagenarian trying to find his or herself after divorce number two than the most vibrant liberal republican society of its era.

If we accept the notion that this election was, to a meaningful extent (and in spite of the odiousness of the victor, Scout's honor), about white poverty, the following message was still conveyed to far too many people by it: when faced with privation, or even something utterly banal like having to work harder at making an obsolete way of life sustainable in the modern world*, the American body politic will throw you under the bus without reservation or remorse. I understand the need to humanize people who voted this way--many of you count them as friends, neighbors, partners, et cetera (to say nothing of trying to humanize everyone when presented with the opportunity not to do so)--but ball don't lie at the end of the day.

*The obvious example here being the Amish, even down to the wilful education deficit.

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« Reply #23158 on: November 11, 2016, 02:35:21 AM »
The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

The Republicans best idea was Obamacare.... :heh :picard 

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They had 6 years to offer more then just 1 or 2 half-cocked alternatives. Still crickets....


Best case scenario they recognize they have no good alternative, and the political shitstorm they would unleash on themselves for just repealing it isnt worth throwing away the rest of their agenda. After a bunch of typical Republican rhetorical gymnastics their base will go along with, they go ahead and address the handful of technical issues they actively prevented from being fixed - some they even created - insert something like an extension of the risk corridors to get insurers back into the marketplaces they fled, slowing cost growth. To which they can claim they "fixed" it. Even though they only fixed what they helped break and keep broken.

....Or they repeal it and the market goes back to pre-ACA fuckery. Then people like Jaydubya can gloat about how awesome it is they kicked those 20 million people who gained health insurance back to the curb and off the government teat...

So they can end up in the ER, unable to pay, and help drive his premiums up further and further.  :paul
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« Reply #23159 on: November 11, 2016, 02:51:28 AM »
Things I saw on twitter today:

Someone saying not to let the media gaslight us into thinking Trump is okay.

Lots of people re-tweeting letters to the daughters of celebrities.

People saying an article that says we shouldn't try to understand all the people from rural America who feel forgotten by the rest of the country is an important piece of journalism.

It feels like the whole smug liberal thing is being amped to 11 even though they lost.

I guess I expect people to act more rational and less emotional and it is too soon to even begin to hope for that.
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