uh isn't the ds version worse considering you have to touch the touch screen everytime you want to move the camera?
Might as well ask why Doom doesn't let you look around with the mouse.
Himuro annihilated.
SM64 is perfection, man. Perfection. I play it yearly and find no flaws in it.
waitwaitwaitwait there is a bigger problem in this thread
YOU DON'T DISS MISCHIEF MAKER
GREATEST TREASURE GAME EVER MADE
GREATEST!
You can control it. I don't see the problem?
Might as well ask why Doom doesn't let you look around with the mouse.
Wow, it's almost like games made over 10 years ago at the infancy of the 3D era don't age well or something, I mean who would have thought.
But they do, this is typical Himuro stupid-talk.
Super Mario 64 is impeccable. Camera never bothered me, not once.
Might as well ask why Doom doesn't let you look around with the mouse.But people DO say MARIO 64 IS BEST GAME EVER, IT IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT when the camera makes playing the game a total chore.
I am slowly going through old Nintendo 64 titles I used to like a lot.
Mario 64 :-X
Conker :-X
Diddy Kong Racing :-X
Mischief Makers :-\
I'd even prefer playing Sin and Punishment on Wii due to the controls :-X
Wow, it's almost like games made over 10 years ago at the infancy of the 3D era don't age well or something, I mean who would have thought.
What are some good N64 games that don't have Zelda on it?
I don't believe in the concept of "aging" in games. The game is the same as it was when it came out in 1996.
Also, my problem has very little to do with early 3d games. I love a lot of early 3d games.
But Mario 64 is :yuck
What are some good N64 games that don't have Zelda on it?
I don't believe in the concept of "aging" in games. The game is the same as it was when it came out in 1996.
Also, my problem has very little to do with early 3d games. I love a lot of early 3d games.
But Mario 64 is :yuck
Your making a lot of stupid posts in this thread.
Of course games age. Technology improves. Design improves. Any game that pushes the barrier suffers the slings and arrows of pushing the barrier. The games you love now in 20 years (actually much less) will be looked upon as incredibly anachronistic.
There are "classic" games that focus purely on game concept that tend to stand the test of time but those tend to be relatively simple affairs or purely time based arcade action type of stuff (or some strategy titles which have universal boardgame style design)
You like & dislike the weirdest games Himuro. Sometimes you have good taste, sometimes you are total miss. SM64 is universally accepted as THE 3D platformer.
"_________ didn't age well" is typically synonymous with "the graphics suck". I hate such petty arguments. I am talking about the game design. How can game design age? It's either good or bad game design in my eyes. I also could care less about graphics.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8ht4AZ7sg[/youtube]:lol :lol :lol :lol
Definitely the comparison I think of!
You misunderstand me. I'm of the opinion that games do not age, but our standards change. The games are the same. It's not like it's wine, which changes its flavor through the years. Games don't change, we just have different (ie higher) standards.
"_________ didn't age well" is typically synonymous with "the graphics suck". I hate such petty arguments. I am talking about the game design. How can game design age? It's either good or bad game design in my eyes. I also could care less about graphics.
Next Generation Magazine praised many aspects of the game: musical score, graphics, lack of loading times, and the scale of the game. Though they commented that the game is less accessible than previous Mario titles, citing the camera's occasional, erratic movements and lack of optimal angle as frustrating.
"_________ didn't age well" is typically synonymous with "the graphics suck". I hate such petty arguments. I am talking about the game design. How can game design age? It's either good or bad game design in my eyes. I also could care less about graphics.
Game design can most definitely age! A great example is replaying Dragon Quest 1 over Phantasy Star 4
It was amazing and revolutionary because it was such a big step in 3-D game design.
I'd rather play Crash 2 than this garbage.
You misunderstand me. I'm of the opinion that games do not age, but our standards change. The games are the same. It's not like it's wine, which changes its flavor through the years. Games don't change, we just have different (ie higher) standards.
"_________ didn't age well" is typically synonymous with "the graphics suck". I hate such petty arguments. I am talking about the game design. How can game design age? It's either good or bad game design in my eyes. I also could care less about graphics.
My problem is that you are stating the obvious but treating it like Moses came down from the mountain with the truth. We all know Mario 64 had problematic camera controls. We knew it back then.
i don't get why people complain about the star system,you play the same level but your road is often time different so why it's a problem?
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8ht4AZ7sg[/youtube]
Definitely the comparison I think of!
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8ht4AZ7sg[/youtube]
Definitely the comparison I think of!
I really don't know how I played first-person shooters on the N64 like Perfect Dark and Goldeney, the controls are just awful.You just get used to it. It took me a bit to feel comfortable with the AWFUL N64 controller but after a while Goldeneye became second nature again.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8ht4AZ7sg[/youtube]
Definitely the comparison I think of!
I like how this video starts with an already ludicrous premise and then spends the last 30 seconds yelling at sega for no reason.
iirc himuro didnt play sm64 until the 2000's
eww sega games :yuck
Expected from someone who likes Mario 64. Panzer Dragoon is probably too tough for you.
I like how this video starts with an already ludicrous premise and then spends the last 30 seconds yelling at sega for no reason.
This whole board is a cesspool of contrarians.wat
We need a smh emoticon by now.
smh
Himuro is the worst fucking chink on this forum.
Himuro is the worst fucking chink on this forum.
The fuck it is. Even some of the most adamant Nintendo haters here love Galaxy. Just fucking borrow a Wii for it, you're missing one of the best platformers of at least the last two gens.
I am thoroughly confused by this whole Navigatr thing, but the gaming in the clinton years vids are so awesome :lol The Tomb Raider one is particularly good. Lara should develop breast cancer, wat?!
Looking through other vids and write-ups on their site, it all looks very Tim and Eric.
I love how most of those Clinton videos end up with him rambling about irrelevant things at some point.
I am thoroughly confused by this whole Navigatr thing, but the gaming in the clinton years vids are so awesome :lol The Tomb Raider one is particularly good. Lara should develop breast cancer, wat?!
Looking through other vids and write-ups on their site, it all looks very Tim and Eric.
The Gaming In The Clinton Years stuff would not have been anywhere near as funny had they intentionally meant for it to be like that. :lol
This thread would be a lot more awesome if it were about Superman 64.
This thread would be a lot more awesome if it were about Superman 64.
I bought that day one for $65 at KB Toys.
:'(
ouch.
if it makes you feel any better, I bought Max Payne 2 (ps2), XIII (ps2), and BG+E (ps2) all on day 1...which were all great games, but they were like $10 a couple weeks later
and I wasted a birthday gift on fucking Bubsy.
The class of nerd that narrator belongs to is a prime example of why eugenics should be an accepted practice.I like how this video starts with an already ludicrous premise and then spends the last 30 seconds yelling at sega for no reason.
You guys haven't seen the Flights Of Fantasy/NAVGTR stuff, have you? It gets worse. :lol The narrator guy seems to find platformers to be the pinnacle of gaming, and proclaims that "no one ever buys games for multiplayer." So to him, every game is a single player affair, to be judged on the quality of its "ending ceremony." Only he spoils the endings in almost every review.
They also generally admit to barely playing through any of the games they are reviewing, being unable to get through the beginnings of games even on the easiest settings, and admit to cheating, saying that you cannot play through titles without doing so.
Between this and your enmity toward Super Mario RPG I'm starting to think you just have a vendetta against any non-2D platformer game in the series. Seriously, who hates Super Mario RPG?The fuck it is. Even some of the most adamant Nintendo haters here love Galaxy. Just fucking borrow a Wii for it, you're missing one of the best platformers of at least the last two gens.
I am going to borrow my friend's wii over Christmas and I will play it.
Not expecting much.
It was amazing and revolutionary because it was such a big step in 3-D game design.
I can respect what it did for the industry, but does that mean I have to like it? It also did BAD things for the industry. Collectathon! Get x amount of stars to continue the game! We're sorry, we don't have enough levels to compensate for a full sized game. How 'bout you do the same level 8-10 times with little variation?
Sure is revolutionary and fun.
::)
Citizen Kane did a lot for cinema. Doesn't take away from the fact the movie is boring as fuck.
I'd rather play Crash 2 than this garbage.
This is why I don't get into gaming conversations in public space. You can't really discuss aesthetics with the idiocracy.Are you sure that it's not because you're a shameful Wii fan?
This is why I don't get into gaming conversations in public space. You can't really discuss aesthetics with the idiocracy.Are you sure that it's not because you're a shameful Wii fan?
:lolThis is why I don't get into gaming conversations in public space. You can't really discuss aesthetics with the idiocracy.Are you sure that it's not because you're a shameful Wii fan?
It is because I can quantify my observations and critiques when most can only offer sophomoric opinion.
super mario rpg is awesome
it has a giant tucan as a villian! what more do you want???
Himuro is the worst fucking chink on this forum.
:lol
This post doesn't even make sense.
Go sniff a line of coke, cigarillo.
Go cut up some more garlic and eat more noodles.
Between this and your enmity toward Super Mario RPG I'm starting to think you just have a vendetta against any non-2D platformer game in the series. Seriously, who hates Super Mario RPG?
I've been playing through Mario Sunshine the past week and it's vastly underrated. I hated it when I played it in 2004, but now I am about 80% of the way through and think it easily surpasses 64 and most other 2D Mario's I have played recently.
I am thoroughly confused by this whole Navigatr thing, but the gaming in the clinton years vids are so awesome :lol The Tomb Raider one is particularly good. Lara should develop breast cancer, wat?!
Looking through other vids and write-ups on their site, it all looks very Tim and Eric.
The Gaming In The Clinton Years stuff would not have been anywhere near as funny had they intentionally meant for it to be like that. :lol
I can't really tell, to be honest. (then again, I haven't really looked into it.) Everything on the site so poorly written that it seems intentional, but that one paragraph says it's from actual gaming reviews from the 90s and that the narrator guy is just reading them.
I've been playing through Mario Sunshine the past week and it's vastly underrated. I hated it when I played it in 2004, but now I am about 80% of the way through and think it easily surpasses 64 and most other 2D Mario's I have played recently.Yeah, I actually played Sunshine from beginning to end unlike Mario 64. I don't understand why I wasn't able to do the same with Galaxy. I can tell that it's better than the other 3D Mario games, but I still got bored with it less than halfway through.
SM64 is one of those games that seemed amazing back then but when you go back to it now it's a pile of shit.
it was pretty trash when it came out, too, if you were over the age of 13
Why were N64 games so fucking expensive? IIRC they were what, $70?
Why were SNES games so expensive? I paid $70+ for FF3 & CT.
carts :'(
The part I really don't get is that you like SMB2j, Himu. How? Why? It's fucking terrible.
I paid $95 for Final Fantasy III and $115 for Chrono Trigger. I think Phantasy Star IV cost me $100? Something like that.
Though I'm not a big fan of Mario 64 at all, I find myself unable to understand pretty much everything Himuro is saying about Mario platformers. Yoshi's Island has 64 levels (48 mandatory), Super Mario World has 78 (about 15 mandatory), Super Mario Bros 3 has about 80 levels (12 mandatory)... I mean, I get they have a bunch of levels, but even without warping you don't have to do a lot of those levels, so if you find them boring, don't play them. I certainly don't think quality was sacrificed, though stage length is shorter probably because of the high number.
The part I really don't get is that you like SMB2j, Himu. How? Why? It's fucking terrible.
I don't know what's going on, but my favorite levels of Mario 3, which is my favorite Mario and probably 2D platformer, can be entirely skipped to finish the game. Even the things SMB3 is known for like the Tanooki suit and shoe aren't aren't within the levels needed to finish the game. Hell, to even finish the game in those levels you would need to know where to find the secrets.
I don't see how anyone can still like Mario 64 today. It can't be for any reason other than nostalgia.
it was pretty trash when it came out, too, if you were over the age of 13
I'm of the opinion that 12 tight levels > 80 levels, many of which are mediocre.
So a game can have 80 levels, allow you skip most of the game, and not have throwaway levels?
I'm of the opinion that 12 tight levels > 80 levels, many of which are mediocre.
So a game can have 80 levels, allow you skip most of the game, and not have throwaway levels?
News flash: SMB3 is an amazing game, top to bottom.
Sonic games are like the epitome of shit level design. :yuck
Sonic games are all pretty bad looking back on them. The 2D Mario games however, OMG. Comparing them to Kid Chameleon is pretty bad, Himu.
why do they let me skip levels in Mario!?! shit game design.
*Flips on Sonic, holds right on d-pad, watches some jumble of platforms flit past the screen*
You know what was awesome? Jumping Flash. Take the crappy dungeon sections and that game is pretty goddamned perfect for me. Also Beezy right, Mirror's Edge>>>3d Mario
Mirror's Edge is indeed better than Mario 64, but when your barometer for quality is that low, it's not that hard to top.
Can you read at all? Mario 64 sucks period. But if you're going to choose a version to play, go with the ds version.
[youtube=560,345]ZVDgQapUkjA[/youtube]
:bow
Collectathons :yuck
Hated it with Donkey Kong Country, didn't even bother playing most of the games that followed it.
DKC2 was pretty decent as a platformer, though.
DKC2 was pretty decent as a platformer, though.
No. Collectathons suck. But RARE did good with Conker.
omfg yes The castle
I played the shit out of that game.
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5709/453203-warioland_supermarioland3_overworld_super.png)
(http://www.mariomayhem.com/consoles/gameboy/wario_land1.png)
:rock
The thing about the (good) Mario platformers is that all those levels are actually fun to play through. LOL, NES Marios suck but DKC2 was good. :lol ::)
well there is a little good in you!
...very little but still better than nothing
The thing about the (good) Mario platformers is that all those levels are actually fun to play through. LOL, NES Marios suck but DKC2 was good. :lol ::)
I didn't say NES Mario sucks. They're definitely better than DKC2.
But they're still not preferable over other (better) platformers.
Himu, to answer your question, there's about 60 levels in NSMBW, I believe. More with the unlockable final world.
The thing about the (good) Mario platformers is that all those levels are actually fun to play through. LOL, NES Marios suck but DKC2 was good. :lol ::)
I didn't say NES Mario sucks. They're definitely better than DKC2.
But they're still not preferable over other (better) platformers.
How can you classify the DKC series as collectathon when all the collection shit is ancillary?DKC2 was pretty decent as a platformer, though.
No. Collectathons suck. But RARE did good with Conker. And Jumping Flash! had it perfect.
The thing about the (good) Mario platformers is that all those levels are actually fun to play through. LOL, NES Marios suck but DKC2 was good. :lol ::)
I didn't say NES Mario sucks. They're definitely better than DKC2.
But they're still not preferable over other (better) platformers.
List all of them
jesus himuro, I give up.
a) you listed shit that aren't even platformers
b) you listed fucking SPYRO
you just suck all around
jesus himuro, I give up.
a) you listed shit that aren't even platformers
b) you listed fucking SPYRO
you just suck all around
He also listed 2D (or "2.5D") games as 3D. :lol
For me, when it comes to platformers, Mario games are decent. But they're scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to AAA platformers. I'd rather play something else.But they're scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to AAA platformers.scraping the bottom of the barrel
(http://i45.tinypic.com/azdtut.jpg)
most if not all of your favorite 3d platformers were after sm64 came out, just admit it mommy and daddy didnt get you an n64 for christmas so youre trying to convince yourself that you didnt miss anything
At least it's more creative than "get these red coins in this boring level" ???
What's wrong with Chibi Robo is that it's not fucking fun.
Chibi Robo was fucking awful. :lolFUCK NO!
Klonoa
Heart of Darkness
Tomba 1
Abe's Odysee
Abe's Exodus
For me, when it comes to platformers, Mario games are decent. But they're scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to AAA platformers. I'd rather play something else.
Chibi Robo over Super Mario 64? CHIBI ROBO? Dude, now I know you're just trolling.
I haven't played this since I was a kid. Why is the camera so terrible?
DS version > this shit
At this point I'll be surprised if I even remotely like Galaxy, because it's obvious 3d Mario is the complete opposite of what I consider a good platformer.
I don't believe in the concept of "aging" in games. The game is the same as it was when it came out in 1996.
Also, my problem has very little to do with early 3d games. I love a lot of early 3d games.
But Mario 64 is :yuck
I'd rather play Crash 2 than this garbage.
iirc himuro didnt play sm64 until the 2000's
I played a bit when it came out. I didn't have a Nintendo 64 at the time.
Pretty unimpressive at the time too, aside from the graphics and physics. Wasn't fun to play, so we played Panzer Dragoon and Nights instead.
SMB1, 3, and World are good....for nostalgia. But my main complaint about Mario games has never gone away over the years: too many levels, quantity over quality;etc.
That's the thing. I don't think those levels are necessary. I just don't see the point. If the levels are so boring I want to skip them and warp, isn't that a negative? To me that says,"We concede these levels are shit, so we'll give you the option to skip them." Good game design!
And the only reason I partially like SMB2j is one reason: the challenge. I respect that.
Look at those numbers, that's distinguished mentally-challenged. 64 levels, 78 levels, 80 levels? Why is any of that necessary and in what does that not prove that Mario games are quantity over quality? A platformer needs 20 levels MAX. Over 80 levels, half of which are probably 30 second levels with easy as shit difficulty does not scream good game design to me. Give me 11-12 levels all of which tight as balls game design and maybe I'll wank over a Mario title.
But no, Nintendo fans will complain the game is "too short". :yuck ::)
That is why I say Mario is not my type of platformer. I'd rather play Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Rocket Knight Adventures or a Megaman game.
Sonic 3 and Knuckles...stomps all over every Mario.
Yes. It allows you to play as uhhh Mario, Yoshi, Luigi and I think Wario?
DS version is better than N64 version due to control and camera and bonus content.
DKC2 was pretty decent as a platformer, though.
3d:
Klonoa
Heart of Darkness
Tomba 1
Abe's Odysee
Abe's Exodus
Spyro the Dragon, the original, WAS better than Mario 64.
Revoke Himumu's gamer license now.
:bow This thread :bow2I knew you liked SMRPG
Get all the reactions I want! :bow2
Like putty in my hands :bow2
:bow Trash talk nostalgia fan favorite + say B-game is better than mario + ??? = profit :bow2
No reason to post at EB anymore! My work is done!
:bow This thread :bow2
Get all the reactions I want! :bow2
Like putty in my hands :bow2
:bow Trash talk nostalgia fan favorite + say B-game is better than mario + ??? = profit :bow2
No reason to post at EB anymore! My work is done!
You can't even lie :lol