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The King of the World sets his sights on creating another world entirely in Avatar, and it's very much a place worth visiting.
The screen is alive with more action and the soundtrack pops with more robust music than any dozen sci-fi shoot-'em-ups you care to mention.
It’s a world, not to give too much away, that Cameron clearly fully intends to return to and further explore. When he does, our bags are already packed.
Avatar is an overwhelming, immersive spectacle. The state-of-the-art 3D technology draws us in, but it is the vivid weirdness of Cameron’s luridly imagined tropical otherworld that keeps us fascinated.
You care about the CG characters. It tugs the heart. It makes you shout. And it is an overwhelming feast of visual artistry unlike anything you have ever seen before.
Game-changing - yes. Spectacular - absolutely. Occasional dodgy dialogue and dramatic imperfections - of course. But still - wait for it… - a titanic achievement.
An epic film born entirely of Cameron’s imagination, Avatar uses tailor-made technology to create the most astonishing visual effects yet seen on screen and blends them seamlessly into a mythical sci-fi story.
There are myriad moments of beauty and of poignancy. And the final battle is worth the price of your 3D glasses alone.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/)
:bow James Cameron :bow2
:bow Furry-bait movies :bow2
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Not a single reputable critic quoted. Tsk, tsk. :wag
It's early, I guess. I gather it'll take a few days for some of the top critics to compose themselves and give us the straight talk: Avatar sucks furry balls.
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Avatar over/under: I'm setting it at $300 million (domestically)
I'm saying under
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That's a safe beat. Unless this thing is actually mind blowing, I think it'll drop off quickly. Especially since Sherlock Holmes comes out on Christmas.
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Not a single reputable critic quoted.
Hollywood Reporter and Variety are certified "Rotten Tomatoes Top Critics", Willco. :wag
Also, apparently Simon Pegg thought it was "extraordinary" according to his Twitter page.
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Meh, beat the game. Wasn't that interesting.
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Not a single reputable critic quoted.
Hollywood Reporter and Variety are certified "Rotten Tomatoes Top Critics", Willco. :wag
They're industry rags. Nobody ever takes them seriously.
Even the reviews on there that praise it talk about the visuals and that screenplay sucks donkey balls. :lol
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It's baggy and longwinded. Basically sucks donkey balls!
My money's on this guy!
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I imagine most of the mainstream reviews will read:
"A visual spectacle for the ages that manages to overcome some poor dialogue, a clunky script and a film that drags in spots. But - hey! - it looks pretty. Right?"
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I imagine most of the mainstream reviews will read:
"A visual spectacle for the ages that manages to overcome some poor dialogue, a clunky script and a film that drags in spots. But - hey! - it looks pretty. Right?"
So you're saying it'll be better than Transformers? :smug
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In 2 weeks it will hover around 75% on RT. Then it will go even lower.
Name me 1 reputable movie critic that would admit to liking a furry movie.
Lots of critics liked Fantastic Mr. Fox. Kenneth Turran, Roger Ebert, etc.
I'm still not interested in seeing Avatar.
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I imagine most of the mainstream reviews will read:
"A visual spectacle for the ages that manages to overcome some poor dialogue, a clunky script and a film that drags in spots. But - hey! - it looks pretty. Right?"
So you're saying it'll be better than Transformers? :smug
I'm saying it'll be the SAME. Maybe worse, since robots are better than furries.
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I imagine most of the mainstream reviews will read:
"A visual spectacle for the ages that manages to overcome some poor dialogue, a clunky script and a film that drags in spots. But - hey! - it looks pretty. Right?"
So you're saying it'll be better than Transformers? :smug
I'm saying it'll be the SAME. Maybe worse, since robots are better than furries.
From the early reviews, Avatar sounds like it won't have a lot of the problems that made Transformers such a chore to watch. Like dodgy camera work, incomprehensible action scenes, loads of extraneous scenes and plot threads that never really went anywhere, and some laughable acting.
And, here's another for the bonfire:
The film is gorgeous, the relationships are effective, you actually feel for these collections of pixels and polygons, and I left the theater energized and entertained in a manner in which rarely happens. What you will get from Avatar resides in how much of a sense of wonder you still carry to the movie theater with you. If you are willing to fall prey to the magical escapism of movies and love the idea that true science fiction and true pulp adventure is not alive and kicking in the theatrical world, you like me, will eat this film up.
If not, I'm sorry for you. This is what The Phantom Menace should have been. It's proof that all that buzz about Sam Worthington is legit. It's proof that the only downside to Avatar is how it allowed us to forget what a powerhouse James Cameron is.
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Paid reviews. :smug
I still can't even fathom this being anything less than terrible.
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That's a safe beat. Unless this thing is actually mind blowing, I think it'll drop off quickly. Especially since Sherlock Holmes comes out on Christmas.
Avatar is easily going to outgross Holmes. EASILY. I'll be surprised if Holmes does more than 175 million domestically.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
<---Wants Ritchie's shitty Holmes to fail
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Avatar over/under: I'm setting it at $300 million (domestically)
I'm saying under
If it doesn't do 500 million it'll be considered a bomb.
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People care about the Sherlock Holmes movie? That's news to me.
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I'm saying it'll be the SAME. Maybe worse, since robots are better than furries.
ITT Willco dropping James Cameron to the level of Michael Bay ::)
People care about the Sherlock Holmes movie? That's news to me.
They shouldn't.
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Sherlock Holmes looks better than Avatar. Hell, New Moon might be better.
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The film is gorgeous, the relationships are effective, you actually feel for these collections of pixels and polygons, and I left the theater energized and entertained in a manner in which rarely happens. What you will get from Avatar resides in how much of a sense of wonder you still carry to the movie theater with you. If you are willing to fall prey to the magical escapism of movies and love the idea that true science fiction and true pulp adventure is not alive and kicking in the theatrical world, you like me, will eat this film up.
If not, I'm sorry for you. This is what The Phantom Menace should have been. It's proof that all that buzz about Sam Worthington is legit. It's proof that the only downside to Avatar is how it allowed us to forget what a powerhouse James Cameron is.
I like when praise is comprised of passive aggressive damage control.
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People are defending Avatar? why
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looks good man
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Sherlock Holmes looks better than Avatar. Hell, New Moon might be better.
:lol I dont know what it is about this movie that inspires such ridiculous trolling. Did Cameron steal from you guys or something?
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I may be a professional hater and hyperbole connoisseur...but even I couldn't say Holmes looks better than Avatar. Holmes looks like it has no redeeming or interesting qualities. At least Avatar is gonna be purdy
Dunno if I can see Holmes out-grossing Avatar domestically either.
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I may be a professional hater and hyperbole connoisseur...but even I couldn't say Holmes looks better than Avatar. Holmes looks like it has no redeeming or interesting qualities. At least Avatar is gonna be purdy
Dunno if I can see Holmes out-grossing Avatar domestically either.
Holmes has Downey Jr.
so those who liked Iron Man will flock to see him in this most likely.
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When did I ever say Holmes would outgross Avatar? I was merely saying it will cut into its box-office take, which it will.
Mostly because Avatar sucks.
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When did I ever say Holmes would outgross Avatar? I was merely saying it will cut into its box-office take, which it will.
Mostly because Avatar sucks.
Whatever, your opinion is moot after all the Transformers defense squading you've done.
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Holmes looks terrible. I think Ive hit my saturation point of RDJ. A real shame because I really love the guy in Wonder Boys and KKBB. Then youve got Jude Law, who always sucks, and its a Guy Ritchie movie which couldnt be a more bizarre choice to direct this. Only redeeming thing is Rachel McAdams.
I expect 2 hours of RDJ chewing scenery and getting homoerotic glances from Law.
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Whatever, your opinion is moot after all the Transformers defense squading you've done.
You like furries? :lol
... Holmes looks like a mediocre blockbuster-type film. Studio is obviously confident in it. It will be better than Pocahantas in Space starring that dude from terminator salvation.
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When did I ever say Holmes would outgross Avatar? I was merely saying it will cut into its box-office take, which it will.
Mostly because Avatar sucks.
Whatever, your opinion is moot after all the Transformers defense squading you've done.
He just fits in with all the others who liked Transformers.
Which apparently, was most of America besides critics and people on Internet message boards.
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:lol
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Only redeeming thing is Rachel McAdams.
:bow Rachel McAdams :bow2
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He just fits in with all the others who liked Transformers.
Which apparently, was most of America besides critics and people on Internet message boards.
I think this was more insulting than what Triumph said!
... and to be fair, I have called Transformers mediocre, propped up by my personal preference for robots and light pop-cinema that doesn't take itself seriously. The sequel, by all accounts, is pretty lousy.
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When did I ever say Holmes would outgross Avatar? I was merely saying it will cut into its box-office take, which it will.
Mostly because Avatar sucks.
Never said you did. I was just thinking about the competition between these two big flicks. I agree Holmes will cut into Avatar. Plus it actually has stars in it, whereas Avatar is relying heavily on its director's filmography and the superduperamazingworldchanging special effects
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Whatever, your opinion is moot after all the Transformers defense squading you've done.
You like furries? :lol
furries = jive talkin' robots
just sayin
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Downloading the soundtrack now. Will listen to it to see how many cues from Willow and Titanic that Horner reuses.
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Not trying to insult you Willco. :(
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Whatever, your opinion is moot after all the Transformers defense squading you've done.
You like furries? :lol
furries = jive talkin' robots
just sayin
That was the sequel, which I already said sucked!
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Whatever, your opinion is moot after all the Transformers defense squading you've done.
You like furries? :lol
furries = jive talkin' robots
just sayin
Damn. Just go ahead and put it out there :lol
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Hey, if Triumph is comparing Avatar to Transformers 2, I totally agree.
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Feder will see this movie opening weekend, enjoy it, then post here about how much he hated it. I can already foresee this :lol
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I'll take furries over peeing robots, but that's just me.
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Feder will see this movie opening weekend, enjoy it, then post here about how much he hated it. I can already foresee this :lol
:lol
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I don't pay to see movies anymore, and I've always talked straight about my opinion. Remember when I said Star Trek would be a massive trainwreck and that no one could hold a candle to the original cast? Well, I got proven wrong.*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
* movie still kind of sucked, though.
At any rate, I'm not going to see Avatar. I don't have a screener coming and I don't have a pass, and I don't think my family or friends have any interest in seeing it over the holidays.
I'll take furries over peeing robots, but that's just me.
I would agree, if an actual movie was comprised out of urinating robots. Actually, that might make the film better. Sadly, ten seconds of a robot pissing oil on John Turturro is a lot more bearable than hours of James Cameron reenacting a Disney film with furries in space.
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I don't pay to see movies anymore.
Piracy 4 life!
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I don't pirate either. I either get passes for early screenings, free screenings, films in advance from studios, etc. I would not pirate an industry I'm trying to make a living in, that's just morally wrong. That said, I think the last ticket I paid for was maybe Drag Me to Hell.
If I truly want to see something that I cannot watch for free, I make sure it's something I want to financially support. My slate is too busy this month to hand James Cameron my money for his hobby project.
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I was joking. We all know you're a Hollywood fat cat now. I look forward to you shilling your first movie at GAF like Gary Whitta. Hopefully you arent so pathetic about it.
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Dude, I would never do that. I constantly rag on my own work, and I am pretty upfront that I believe I'm a hack. If a feature of mine is ever released, and it sucked, I would hope you guys call me out on it.
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(that said, i can never trash talk whitta in public for fear of meeting him in real-life)
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(that said, i can never trash talk whitta in public for fear of meeting him in real-life)
One of these days Whitta will be your boss on some movie project. He'll call you into his office, offer you a drink, and then sit behind his desk holding a glass of Pinot Noir with a half smirk on his face. He knows and you know that he knows. "Will," he'll say, "Let's let bygones be bygones, okay? We're both professionals here." And you'll nod your head, because that's all you can do.
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Real Talk- I think Avatar is gonna be a pretty enjoyable action flick when all is said and done.
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It's about that time where I act like I have always been supportive of this project.
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I think I'll wait until it comes out dvd.
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Will rent on na'vi blue ray
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All those quotes from reviewers I've never heard of reminded me of HotD Overkill...
A street corner prosititute says, "It's mother-fucking good."
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I don't pay to see movies anymore
you gave me shit for pirating slumdog millionaire
what you do is virtually the dame effect wise
hypocrisy is awesome
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Blockbuster movies are pretty un-Web 2.0
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The only thing that could stop the Avatar hype train now is if Armond White comes out and says that it's awesome. That would pretty much just kill it dead.
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I still think this looks stupid.
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you gave me shit for pirating slumdog millionaire
what you do is virtually the dame effect wise
hypocrisy is awesome
How is stealing from creators the same as legally viewing creators' material as a byproduct of working in the industry? My job depends on viewing this material, yours doesn't.
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"dame"
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Soundtrack is pretty "meh" so far.
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I don't pay to see movies anymore
you gave me shit for pirating slumdog millionaire
what you do is virtually the dame effect wise
hypocrisy is awesome
Did you even read his reply?
Off Topic: I don't know why anyone would be hyped for Sherlock Holmes to be honest. I can understand why nerds on the internet are going insane for Avatar--3d tech, Cameron, etc., but Sherlock Holmes?
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Because it's Sherlock Holmes? And finally a version showing elements of Holmes that no other adaptation has ever shown?
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Just six days :hyper cannot fucking wait.
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Because it's Sherlock Holmes? And finally a version showing elements of Holmes that no other adaptation has ever shown?
I'm not saying it's not going to be a good movie. I just don't see the wide range appeal.
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It's pop-cinema, trailer promises action, it has Robert Downey Jr., etc.
It'll do well. The studio is very confident. Not that means it's a sure-fire winner, but with its marketing budget, I think it'll do nicely. Especially if Avatar turns out to be as overrated as many here have expected.
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Avatar is going to be the Wii of cinema- hyped to the mainstream as "the next big thing", etc etc. It is going to do gangbusters, wait and see.
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Oh, I know that's how it's being marketed, but if it fails to live it up to the hype, I plan to see the same drop-off that accompanied Peter Jackson's King Kong when folks were heralding that as "the next big thing".
I'm not sold on Avatar.
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King Kong is 3 hours of masturbation, without climax.
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Cameron is a WAY better film maker than Peter Jackson, tho.
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King Kong was terrible.
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The two posts above this one are true.
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:lol
King Kong was like Chinese water torture. How do you take one of the most iconic monster films of all-time and make it boring?
Answer:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hire Peter Jackson.
Cameron is a WAY better film maker than Peter Jackson, tho.
Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you.
Filmmaking is not lot riding a bike, and I think Cameron actually has to prove himself. Avatar feels a lot like King Kong all over again - hyped December release that was the director's personal pet project for years. Probably will be just as bloated. I don't think I can recall a Cameron film that doesn't drag in spots, and I believe that will only be exacerbated by his downtime.
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http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091211/REVIEWS/912119998
And Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a green-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.
:elephant
:hitit
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How is stealing from creators the same as legally viewing creators' material as a byproduct of working in the industry? My job depends on viewing this material, yours doesn't.
all i hear is "two people that dont pay for movies anymore"
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Ebert bringing the Real Talk!
Here's the rest of the reviews from the top critics:
A movie whose effects are clearly revolutionary, a spectacle that millions will find adventure in. But it nevertheless feels unsatisfying and somehow lacks the pulse of a truly alive film.
If your exhilaration with the (approximate) first half is undercut by an increasingly deflating pffffftttt sound, Cameron nonetheless has delivered the screen’s most anticipated and persuasive blend of live-action and motion-capture animation to date.
As visual spectacle, Avatar is indelible, but as a movie it all but evaporates as you watch it.
A bit mixed, and make it clear that the movie is far from perfect, but positive for the most part.
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Haters annihilated by Cameron like always :bow2
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Does the Chicago Sun Times not employ copy editors anymore? I spotted at least two typos in that Ebert review.
EDIT: Holy shit, there are a handful of typos. What the hell?
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Haters annihilated by Cameron like always :bow2
... so basically the reviews say, "It looks pretty, but that's about it."
Yeah, sounds like everyone was proven wrong. :lol
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Probably. I will make it an 80-minute spectacle.
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Does the Chicago Sun Times not employ copy editors anymore? I spotted at least two typos in that Ebert review.
EDIT: Holy shit, there are a handful of typos. What the hell?
I might be awesome in True IMAX.
:lol
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Yeah, that has to be the worst written review I've ever read by Ebert. I think Cameron killed him and installed a plant, just to get his damn four stars.
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Like what does this even mean? :lol
Avatars are not be made of Na'vi flesh, but try explaining that to charging 30-ton rhino with a snout like a bullet head shark...
I might be awesome in True IMAX.
It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World.
There are also two or three sentences with bizarre structure.
... where is Father_Mike?
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hasn't half of Roger Eberts face melted off at this point? Cut him some slack.
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I do not recall any of his most recent stuff being this bad. Maybe he was rushed to make print deadline, but - wow! - I expect more from a Pulitzer winner.
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Pandora is bevy largely CGI.
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hasn't half of Roger Eberts face melted off at this point?
:lol
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His mind was blown willco, give him sometime to recuperate.
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Pandora is bevy largely CGI.
Yeah, uh.... yeah. Ebert, what happened? I mean this was the same guy who wrote one of the best film reviews of all-time (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/REVIEWS/50725001).
But [Rob] Schneider is correct, and Patrick Goldstein has not yet won a Pulitzer Prize. Therefore, Goldstein is not qualified to complain that Columbia financed "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo" while passing on the opportunity to participate in "Million Dollar Baby," "Ray," "The Aviator," "Sideways" and "Finding Neverland." As chance would have it, I have won the Pulitzer Prize, and so I am qualified. Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks.
Best use of a Pulitzer ever. :lol
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I am bevy largely growing interested in seeing A V A T A R after reading all these luke-warm to positive reviews! :o
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Let's pretend I quotemined all the times Willco's brought up Ebert's review to support his arguments, then posted a laughing smiley.
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then posted a laughing smiley.
are you thinking of the right poster?
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Let's pretend I quotemined all the times Willco's brought up Ebert's review to support his arguments, then posted a laughing smiley.
Hey, we normally jive together. I didn't discount anything he said, other than it was horribly written. Even you have to agree with me on that.
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If you didn't like King Kong, you should pretty much just stop watching or talking about movies for the rest of your existence.
King Kong had its moments, and looked great, but it was way too long.
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King Kong was so long that it became offensive. It's about a giant fucking ape. C'mon, let's get real.
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You people would probably call three hour sex with Adriana Lima way too long.
Didn't she proclaim to be a virgin until she got married? She probably sucks at it.
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The extended edition of King Kong added another 15 minutes. :lol
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The extended edition of King Kong added another 15 minutes. :lol
Peter Jackson is a sadist.
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Didn't someone make a fan edit of King Kong that was a lot shorter? I remember hearing about that.
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What I want from Evilbore for Christmas:
* "Himuro fights the existential crisis" as a sticky thread
* "Green Shinobi praises stuff way out of proportion" as a sticky thread
* "Jinfash torments Kosma with Photoshop" as a sticky thread
* Manabyte stripped of the ignore function
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You want to ignore ManaByte or you want to strip ManaByte of the ability to ignore people?
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You people would probably call three hour sex with Adriana Lima way too long.
If she laid there and cried during the sex, then yeah.
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In 2 weeks it will hover around 75% on RT. Then it will go even lower.
Name me 1 reputable movie critic that would admit to liking a furry movie.
There's bound to be some reputable movie critics in here:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1197696-fantastic_mr_fox/ (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1197696-fantastic_mr_fox/)
(just saw this tonight and it was really good)
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you want to strip ManaByte of the ability to ignore people?
This one.
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you want to strip ManaByte of the ability to ignore people?
This one.
You think he ignores you?
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Can you strip TVC, Patel, duckman, Debaser and Ganyhun of their ignore ability too while you're at it?
pro-tip: make fewer shitty posts. not even gonna charge you for that info, bro.
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I don't think Avatar will cross the 300 million mark because it's marketing doesn't appeal to women.
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TVC nailed it:
Those reviews from the past few days stink of "Put my ejaculatory blurb on your movie poster, Mr. Cameron!"
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I don't think Avatar will cross the 300 million mark because it's marketing doesn't appeal to women.
Nothing dries up a vagina like CG aliens
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I don't think Avatar will cross the 300 million mark because it's marketing doesn't appeal to women.
Nothing dries up a vagina like CG aliens
Cameron could have easily made Jude Law or Matthew McCaughney the lead. Would have made the "sell" to your significant other much easier.
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Let's pretend I quotemined all the times Willco's brought up Ebert's review to support his arguments, then posted a laughing smiley.
Hey, we normally jive together. I didn't discount anything he said, other than it was horribly written. Even you have to agree with me on that.
Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a blue-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.
:teehee :teehee
I don't read many Ebert reviews, but oftentimes when I do he's always making some creepy comment about how female cast members look. I don't know if that should be allowed once the reviewer gets past a certain age.
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How the fuck can anyone call one of the most action-packed films of all time boring?
a movie that had some of the best directing of this decade?
:lol to the first sentence
:lol x infinity to the second
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Solo :rock
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Right now there's 38 reviews in all and 34 of them are categorized as positive. Average rating is 7.8 out of 10.
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Let's pretend I quotemined all the times Willco's brought up Ebert's review to support his arguments, then posted a laughing smiley.
Hey, we normally jive together. I didn't discount anything he said, other than it was horribly written. Even you have to agree with me on that.
Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a blue-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.
:teehee :teehee
I don't read many Ebert reviews, but oftentimes when I do he's always making some creepy comment about how female cast members look. I don't know if that should be allowed once the reviewer gets past a certain age.
Reminds me of this twitter post he made:
http://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/6489513128
A critic who dismisses the role of an actor's physical appearance in a performance will date just about anyone.
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Seems like our analysis has been confirmed: Avatar is nothing more than a glorified tech demo
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Seems like our analysis has been confirmed: Avatar is nothing more than a glorified tech demo
Yes, a 90% fresh rating sure means it's nothing more than a tech demo. ::)
Dude, Revenge of the Sith had something like an 85% fresh rating. REVENGE OF THE SITH. Just saying.
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the reviews boil down to "wow this is so pretty, it's definitely something you must see with your own eyes. oh yea the story/acting sucks but hey, look at those cool blue people"
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Seems like our analysis has been confirmed: Avatar is nothing more than a glorified tech demo
Yes, a 90% fresh rating sure means it's nothing more than a tech demo. ::)
Dude, Revenge of the Sith had something like an 85% fresh rating. REVENGE OF THE SITH. Just saying.
It got 80% and an average rating of 7.2 out of 10. Top critics were only 69% positive and gave it an average of 6.7/10.
The six top critics that have weighed in on Avatar give it 100% positive reviews an average rating of 7.6/10
the reviews boil down to "wow this is so pretty, it's definitely something you must see with your own eyes. oh yea the story/acting sucks but hey, look at those cool blue people"
I've seen quite a few reviews mention that most of the performances are really good.
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You have the battered wife syndrome qualities of an Ntard
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the reviews boil down to "wow this is so pretty, it's definitely something you must see with your own eyes. oh yea the story/acting sucks but hey, look at those cool blue people"
OMG TEH EYE CANDY MOVIE IS NOT CITIZEN KANE WHY I NEVER
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I need this to be good. 2009 has been such a piece of shit. There's gotta be at least one good thing to come out of this year besides The Resistance.
You really need a taste transplant.
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The Resistance is so fucking bad and I LIKE Muse.
Or at least, LIKED.
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Holding The Resistance in high regard totally negates any positive reputation a person would normally receive for liking The Godfather or Led Zeppelin. You can't be a nice guy and a child molester
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Why would anybody want to get all that excited over a movie just because it has good visuals? Hell, these don't even look that good from a creative standpoint. That new christmas carol movie looks a thousand times more interesting. Even the book of eli even though it seems like it just rips off a lot from fallout.
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it's an event and it'll be watercooler talk. the only two reasons i need.
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I do think that the action looks pretty awesome and I for one am pretty stoked to see what Cameron has done with this crazy new tech, but saying that nothing good came out this year when Quentin Tarantino released arguably his best film EVER is laughable.
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It's hard to tell when people who claim to like Muse are joking.
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I'm going to see it on one of Cinemark's XD screens. :rock
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day 1 :rock
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none of the real imax screens are playing it in the dc area >:(
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I will have to wait for impressions before going into this. If it has like 95% action, then I'll buy a ticket for something not so shameful and then hop into this and take bathroom/popcorn breaks whenever it gets into furrylicious, hippy-ass, braveheart mode. I know at least like a third of this movie is going to be like that so it's a pass most likely.
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http://twitter.com/kateyrich/status/6640333729
Whoah. Avatar got Best Picture. #nyfco
it begins. :bow
probably gonna see this the week after it comes out. IN IMAX 3D. :pimp
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good to see this is getting good reviews. i'll wait a little while before i see it. maybe on the new years weekend.
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Braveheart kinda sucks. It fails at its most obvious purpose, which would be a Commando-esque action flick that you put on when you're with your buds and you're lit up and you whip out your cocks and choreograph sword fights along with the action scenes before you get down to the analingus, because it's bookended by too much maudlin garbage. And it fails as a drama simply because it's impossible to take Mel Gibson seriously.
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braveheart was pretty cheesy... just like avatar! good comparison!
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braveheart was pretty cheesy... just like avatar! good comparison!
Those who live in glass houses with sparkly vampires probably shouldn't throw the "cheesy" stone.
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Aliens is his best film by far. We'll be lucky if Avatar is half as good.
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Aliens is a fucking masterpiece.
"Apone: All right, sweethearts, what are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed? Another glorious day in the Corps! A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm. Every meal's a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation a parade! I LOVE the Corps!"
:bow Apone :bow2
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The Resistance FUCKING BLEW, not to derail the thread or anything, but fuck, it did. FUCK. So disappointed.
I will reserve my opinion for Avatar until I see the film. I really don't know what to make of this film. I didn't when it was announced, and I didn't when I saw previews. All I will say is that I am nearsighted, which means I'm fucked on the 3D part of the film right away. 3D is the biggest gimmick in film ever and I've never been impressed with it, even when I manage to fit the uncomfortable glasses over my regular ones and experience it.
Other than that, it's James Cameron directing a science fiction movie, and to my knowledge, every time he has directed a sci-fi film, it hasn't sucked. In fact, it's been revolutionary to not just the genre, but to films in general. The guy directed three of the best science fiction and action films of all time. I'm going to give the film a shot and not write it off.
One more slight bitch: this film doesn't look dark at all. Cameron excels at dark sci-fi, so I'm curious to see how this plays out.
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Man, I'd totally hittup a showing of a remastered Aliens at an IMAX theater
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The Resistance FUCKING BLEW, not to derail the thread or anything, but fuck, it did. FUCK. So disappointed.
I will reserve my opinion for Avatar until I see the film. I really don't know what to make of this film. I didn't when it was announced, and I didn't when I saw previews. All I will say is that I am nearsighted, which means I'm fucked on the 3D part of the film right away. 3D is the biggest gimmick in film ever and I've never been impressed with it, even when I manage to fit the uncomfortable glasses over my regular ones and experience it.
Other than that, it's James Cameron directing a science fiction movie, and to my knowledge, every time he has directed a sci-fi film, it hasn't sucked. In fact, it's been revolutionary to not just the genre, but to films in general. The guy directed three of the best science fiction and action films of all time. I'm going to give the film a shot and not write it off.
One more slight bitch: this film doesn't look dark at all. Cameron excels at dark sci-fi, so I'm curious to see how this plays out.
Are you counting The Abyss? lol
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braveheart was pretty cheesy... just like avatar! good comparison!
Hey, they both have blue people in them! Blue people who fight with sticks!
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Movie just got nominated for best drama at the globes, but I guess they just want to be quoted on the movie posters of this tech demo :smug
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i'm gonna try to go see it this weekend. hopefully the 7pm show on saturday isnt sold out.
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Best Picture and Best Director noms for Avatar, Wilco & Prole destroyed, Furry Bandwagon rolls on. :rock
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Need I remind you that CRASH won an Oscar this decade? And Juno got Golden Globe nominations, arguably the worst film of all-time?
Awards is an indictment against Cameron, not support.
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Oscars just don't want Avatar to bomb :teehee
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There is a press screening at the theater near my house today at 5:30, me and a friend are gonna try to see if we can sneak in :hyper
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Need I remind you that CRASH won an Oscar this decade? And Juno got Golden Globe nominations, arguably the worst film of all-time?
Awards is an indictment against Cameron, not support.
All I can think of is this
(http://www.city-data.com/forum/members/lusitan-265433-albums-new-jersey-housing-market-collapse-pic27887-iraqi-information-minister.jpg)
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Seriously tards -- it's the Golden Globes. :lol
I guess they just want to be quoted on the movie posters of this tech demo :smug
Considering that the ratings for their awards ceremony are the lowest in a decade, they probably would like some free media push.
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Awards is (sic) an indictment against Cameron, not support.
Oh come on. You know that the films that get nominated for awards are pretty good the vast majority of the time. The right films don't always win, but the nominees are usually solid.
:smug
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Seriously tards -- it's the Golden Globes. :lol
HEY THE GOLDEN GLOBES ARE PRESTIGIOUS AWARDS I OWN TEN
Considering that the ratings for their awards ceremony are the lowest in a decade, they probably would like some free media push.
Not only that, but with the recent expansion of nominations, how difficult will it honestly be to secure an Oscar nomination? Hell, they're talking about The Hangover being nominated for Best Picture. Way to go, Avatar - your competition is The Hangover.
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It won't hurt me at all. I'll be watching a stack of actually good movies, it's you guys that will get suckered into wasting your $8!
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It won't hurt me at all. I'll be watching a stack of actually good movies, it's you guys that will get suckered into wasting your $8!
I'm pretty sure that your tastes aren't reliable, considering the whole Transformers thing.
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Hey, at least I'm not watching furries in space this weekend. :smug
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Whoa, it's this weekend?! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSss
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You won't get me to bite on that one, because I didn't like Transformers 2! If that's what we're now comparing Avatar to, even more reason to avoid the cineplex this weekend.
And I vehemently disagree that it's be sold to me as a spectacle. It's not. It's being sold to me as high brow art, as per reviews and nominations, and that's my number one faux pas when it comes to spectacle entertainment. I find it ludicrous that critics that would slam other directors for the very thing Avatar is being praised for ("Gee golly, the special effects are amazing, but the story is pretty mediocre").
But that's the power of Cameron.
And the great thing about it is that I don't have to give him one penny - which I won't. I'd rather sit here with my Netflix queue and watch actual good films. Then once all the hyperbole dies down and Cameron falls back down to Earth, I can watch Avatar in my home without paying to see it. And I'll have the benefit of distancing myself from all the lame hype.
Or maybe I'll never watch it, and spare myself the 2+ hours of furries in space.
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My mom is still rather indifferent about the movie, although she does want to see it now. I sent the trailer in an email to my uncle though, and
him: is Kevin Costner in this?
me: uh no'
him: because I'm pretty sure I've seen this
me: ?
him: oh never mind, I'm thinking of Dances With Wolves :smug
:lol
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Those Golden Globe noms are confusing...why and how is this nominated?
At least 500 Days of Summer and Christopher Waltz are nominated.
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James Cameron :smug
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To be fair, the action was the least of Bayformers' problems, but rather the hours of waiting between the action that made it so insufferable. I'm sure Cameron's film will have better pacing - at least I hope it would - but his filmography is noteworthy for having spots that drag in almost every single entry.
<Eric P> fucking titanic
<Willco> We should create a site
<Willco> www.avatarsucks.com (http://www.avatarsucks.com)
<Willco> hahah
<Willco> nevermind it actually exists
<Eric P> lol so it does
... Jinfash, that may have been how it was being pitched to the Internet (which, by the way, I don't see anything breakthough here), but that's not been the case for like, a month now.
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I think I'd actually be cool with the hangover winning best picture. Was the best thing I've seen all year. :p
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Armond White hated it! Bust out the beer and cheap wine, we got ourselves the best movie of 2009!!
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That's not what the interviews or the critics' early reviews have reflected. In fact, so far every one of them reads like: "wow, it delivered the promise."
I guess they're not the same critics that nominated it for Golden Globes or gave it perfect scores, despite problems with the screenplay. ???
Again, there's a big difference between a two and a half, three-star review that says, "It really is visually awesome!" but doesn't give Cameron a free ride, versus the reviews we've read that pretty much call it THE GREATEST THING IN EVER. The Golden Globe noms, picked by the critics, pretty much say that as well.
Oh well. At least it won't get nominated for Best Screenplay or anything.
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pass
cosign
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Double cosign
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Where do I sign up to hate on something that the internet is hyping but might be good anyway? I want to look cool too.
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My theory is that since Avatar has reached a peak level of anti-hype on the Internet, and as you are one of its most prominent contrarians, you are now obliged to like Avatar. It's the only reason I can see why you'd pay money to see this film.
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... but it's in 3-D!
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/29z1jtc.png)
Wtf ???
:rofl
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What don't you understand? The Icons are unanimous!
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/nf32u.png)
Wtf ???
:lol
Jinfash - Rogue member of the Icon Nation.
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Jinfash: Going Rogue
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My theory is that since Avatar has reached a peak level of anti-hype on the Internet, and as you are one of its most prominent contrarians, you are now obliged to like Avatar. It's the only reason I can see why you'd pay money to see this film.
It really does feel like we are through the looking glass, seeing Triumph defend CG furries.
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My theory is that since Avatar has reached a peak level of anti-hype on the Internet, and as you are one of its most prominent contrarians, you are now obliged to like Avatar. It's the only reason I can see why you'd pay money to see this film.
It really does feel like we are through the looking glass, seeing Triumph defend CG furries.
Dude, it's not like they're EWOKS or anything for fucks sakes.
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Icons have meetings?
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can i be an icon if i troll avatar?
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<Willco> www.avatarsucks.com (http://www.avatarsucks.com)
holy shit :rofl
I don't want to pay the extra bucks for IMAX, but then again I'll just be rebuffed with "you haven't seen the film how it was meant to be seen!" argument on GAF. I guess I'm willing to pay an extra $4 to ensure my trolls are without reproach
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So what is your fursona, Triumph? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Excuse me for not wanting to write off a flick from an obviously talented director who has yet to make a sci-fi/action movie that rates below "good" on my personal rating scale. Obviously since it has blue skinned weird lookin' things in it that confused, distinguished mentally-challenged teenagers will try to hump it must suck. You guys are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
Trust me, if it's anything as bad as Titanic I'll be the first person to admit it. But writing it off before I see it is distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Can't wait to see it in glorious 3D :hyper
Enjoy your headache
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Excuse me for not wanting to write off a flick from an obviously talented director who has yet to make a sci-fi/action movie that rates below "good" on my personal rating scale. Obviously since it has blue skinned weird lookin' things in it that confused, distinguished mentally-challenged teenagers will try to hump it must suck. You guys are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
Trust me, if it's anything as bad as Titanic I'll be the first person to admit it. But writing it off before I see it is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Preach it!
:bow :bow2
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Excuse me for not wanting to write off a flick from an obviously talented director who has yet to make a sci-fi/action movie that rates below "good" on my personal rating scale.
See: The Abyss.
Obviously since it has blue skinned weird lookin' things in it that confused, distinguished mentally-challenged teenagers will try to hump it must suck.
And this:
i'm not seeing this shit because I've seen a hundred movies with the same themes and i haven't ever liked them. i don't care for glib declarations of freedom and people learning important lessons about themselves vis-a-vis "primitive" cultures. the whole enterprise looks trite and manipulative (like Titanic).
Trust me, if it's anything as bad as Titanic I'll be the first person to admit it. But writing it off before I see it is distinguished mentally-challenged.
I don't think we're writing it off, we're just not going to pay money to see it. I think even Prole eventually saw Juno.
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whoa whoa, did Triumph just admit to seeing Titanic? :piss2
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Titanic was an awesome movie. Avatard looks boring, though. But I'll be watching it anyway.
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I never finished Titanic. I rented it on VHS, made it to the end of the first tape (it was comprised of two) and returned it.
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Wait a minute, though
did you make it to the tit scene? That's the most important thing about the film.
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I don't even remember, dude. I've seen it since then, thanks to YouTube, but Titanic is just a blur to me now. It was time I will never get back.
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Even Roeper (in his review) states that Cameron piles on the sop and goo with the whole Pocahontas angle the movie strives for. That shit is going to be annoying but I'm going to be watching this due to the whole spectacle of technology. I'd rather tolerate the shitty scenario and watch it at IMAX in 3D instead of at home where I don't have the huge screen and 3D.
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Excuse me for not wanting to write off a flick from an obviously talented director who has yet to make a sci-fi/action movie that rates below "good" on my personal rating scale.
See: The Abyss.
Dude, I enjoyed the Abyss. I mean, it was no Transformers or SPIDER HYPHEN MAN 3 or anything, but it had game.
Obviously since it has blue skinned weird lookin' things in it that confused, distinguished mentally-challenged teenagers will try to hump it must suck.
And this:
i'm not seeing this shit because I've seen a hundred movies with the same themes and i haven't ever liked them. i don't care for glib declarations of freedom and people learning important lessons about themselves vis-a-vis "primitive" cultures. the whole enterprise looks trite and manipulative (like Titanic).
Trust me, if it's anything as bad as Titanic I'll be the first person to admit it. But writing it off before I see it is distinguished mentally-challenged.
I don't think we're writing it off, we're just not going to pay money to see it. I think even Prole eventually saw Juno.
"We're not writing it off, we're just mercilessly trolling it and refusing to pay to see it. Totes keeping an open mind tho!"
Uh huh.
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Excuse me for not wanting to write off a flick from an obviously talented director who has yet to make a sci-fi/action movie that rates below "good" on my personal rating scale.
See: The Abyss.
Dude, I enjoyed the Abyss. I mean, it was no Transformers or SPIDER HYPHEN MAN 3 or anything, but it had game.
Obviously since it has blue skinned weird lookin' things in it that confused, distinguished mentally-challenged teenagers will try to hump it must suck.
And this:
i'm not seeing this shit because I've seen a hundred movies with the same themes and i haven't ever liked them. i don't care for glib declarations of freedom and people learning important lessons about themselves vis-a-vis "primitive" cultures. the whole enterprise looks trite and manipulative (like Titanic).
Trust me, if it's anything as bad as Titanic I'll be the first person to admit it. But writing it off before I see it is distinguished mentally-challenged.
I don't think we're writing it off, we're just not going to pay money to see it. I think even Prole eventually saw Juno.
"We're not writing it off, we're just mercilessly trolling it and refusing to pay to see it. Totes keeping an open mind tho!"
Uh huh.
Sounds like someone when Speed Racer came out.
Although, I guess you didn't try to appear ambivalent. :lol
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O SNAP. Cajole just reversed the tables on you!
... I love it when people compare a film to films even I don't really like. Even you admit The Abyss is not as good as Spider-Man 3, which self-admittedly is not very good?
That's probably a lower opinion of The Abyss than even I have of it (which is that it's pretty dull in spots and mostly forgettable).
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Nope, cause the Wachowskis had made multiple flicks that I had seen that I felt sucked- the last couple Matrix flicks. Couple that with the obviously 'tarded nature of Speed Racer and my hatred is at least reasonable.
But none of you can refute the fact that Cameron has an admirable track record with sci-fi/action flicks. You're just out to hate because either a) OMG TEH FURRIES, b) the hype factor, c) it's cool to hate on something that cost so much or d) what we'll call "The Dark Knight" syndrome where a perfectly good genre flick gets shat on because of enthusiastic fanboys proclaiming it the greatest thing ever. Of course, I can't really think of anyone enthusiastically declaring it the most awesome thing of all time ever, just saying "hey I kind of want to see this."
Bottom line- the hate is just incomprehensible.
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O SNAP. Cajole just reversed the tables on you!
... I love it when people compare a film to films even I don't really like. Even you admit The Abyss is not as good as Spider-Man 3, which self-admittedly is not very good?
Oh holy shit, your sarcasm meter is ba-rooooooooken.
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Or e) exactly what Genghis Cohen said and f) all of the above (except maybe d, which is a pretty weak opinion).
I know what you meant, I choose to quote it literally for my own means. That's your fault for framing your reply the way you did!
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Right here ???
i'm not seeing this shit because I've seen a hundred movies with the same themes and i haven't ever liked them. i don't care for glib declarations of freedom and people learning important lessons about themselves vis-a-vis "primitive" cultures. the whole enterprise looks trite and manipulative (like Titanic).
Pass
:bow
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So what is your fursona, Triumph? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Excuse me for not wanting to write off a flick from an obviously talented director who has yet to make a sci-fi/action movie that rates below "good" on my personal rating scale. Obviously since it has blue skinned weird lookin' things in it that confused, distinguished mentally-challenged teenagers will try to hump it must suck. You guys are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
Trust me, if it's anything as bad as Titanic I'll be the first person to admit it. But writing it off before I see it is distinguished mentally-challenged.
I agree. But Titanic is amazing ???
Now that my questionable taste is out of the way, the wife and I are seeing this in 3D because we had both never seen 3D until A Christmas Carol and we were amazed so we figure this has to be like incredible or something in 3D. Story looks generic, but it will no doubt be entertaining as balls
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I've yet to see a modern 3D flick- I did see like Jaws 3 or whatever in 3d, but that was like 20 years ago or something. Then again, it's kind of tough to enjoy a 3d flick when you've got real glasses- I guess I'll try to go with a pair of contacts in, but man I hate wearing my contacts.
And even Kate Winslet's magnificent tittays couldn't save Titanic. I cheered when Leo died at the end.
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The new 3D glasses that they use fit fairly well over regular glasses. It's not perfect, but I've sit through Bloody Valentine 3D, Coraline, and Up while wearing them and it wasn't too big of a deal.
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How do those DVDs which come with 3D glasses work? They're not using red/blue tinting, right? The glasses look grey, which I thought was for polarized/non-polarized projection.
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How do those DVDs which come with 3D glasses work? They're not using red/blue tinting, right? The glasses look grey, which I thought was for polarized/non-polarized projection.
From the look of them (the IMAX ones) they aren't mutli colored. I think I read on GAF that they are straight up polarized.
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Can I get a thread synopsis? Has everyone agreed that it's just Halo: Oh Wait We Couldn't Get the License :teehee
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There has not been a true 3D solution for home theaters, other than the standard "gimmicky" polarized glasses that have been used for ages. That changes next year, when 3D Blu-ray players and compatible HDTV sets hit the market. NVIDIA is set to debut its 3D Vision solution for the home theater at CES next month, but both Panasonic and Sony have been tinkering with the shutter technology NVIDIA currently uses for PC games.
Expect that to be adopted by the manufacturers sometime Q1, and players and HDTVs to roll out in Q4.
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How do those DVDs which come with 3D glasses work? They're not using red/blue tinting, right? The glasses look grey, which I thought was for polarized/non-polarized projection.
The ones that come with DVDs/BDs are still just the regular blue-red setup. Some of them use magenta-cyan to supposedly give a better picture, but still, they're kinda crap. If you want to see real 3D, you have to catch it in the theaters for now.
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confirmed. going to see this on Saturday at 3:45. yay!
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petition to change triumph's name to "Yiff Furfiggurt" with umlauts over the two u characters
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petition to change triumph's name to "Yiff Furfiggurt" with umlauts over the two u characters
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=31663.msg990522#msg990522
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Fantasy football just got a hell of a lot more intense!
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http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=16656 (http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=16656)
James Cameron: "I don't give a shit about the festival crowd"
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Aren't those the snobs you're not supposed to piss off? I guess it doesn't matter too much in Cameron's case tho
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Well, right, they're snobs, but they're still an important part of the film industry and a possible audience to your movie. I just didn't like his smary-ass response in his segment.
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James Cameron: "I don't give a shit about hipsters"
Fixed.
Avatar is going to be completely fucking awesome. Too bad I have to wait til after New Years to see it because I promised someone in Japan I'd watch it with them.
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James Cameron: "I don't give a shit about hipsters"
Fixed.
Avatar is going to be completely fucking awesome. Too bad I have to wait til after New Years to see it because I promised someone in Japan I'd watch it with them.
smh
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James Cameron: "I don't give a shit about hipsters"
Fixed.
Avatar is going to be completely fucking awesome. Too bad I have to wait til after New Years to see it because I promised someone in Japan I'd watch it with them.
smh
I just don't see why the festival crowd is an important factor for a movie that had a $300 million budget and is not directed at that crowd whatsoever. Avatar is the definition of "enormous studio film."
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Got kicked out of the screening before the movie started :'(
now I'm deciding between going on opening night or Friday with a group of women.
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Why did you get kicked out of the screening?
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Got kicked out of the screening before the movie started :'(
now I'm deciding between going on opening night or Friday with a group of women.
Friday.
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Fantasy football just got a hell of a lot more intense!
:lol :lol :lol
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Why did you get kicked out of the screening?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/diunx/DTU_899_Avatar_001.jpg)
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Got kicked out of the screening before the movie started :'(
now I'm deciding between going on opening night or Friday with a group of women.
Why did you get kicked out of the screening?
demanded to be topsies in the furpile and/or declined a request for skritching/glomping
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It's just funny that the only reason at all why anybody is excited for this is because of the names attached to it. It's like why anybody gives a shit about paris hilton.
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It's just funny that the only reason at all why anybody is excited for this is because of the names attached to it. It's like why anybody gives a shit about paris hilton.
I think it looks cool. ??? I personally don't give a shit about James Cameron.
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demanded to be topsies in the furpile and/or declined a request for skritching/glomping
Zing!
His fursuit didn't fit into one seat.
Zing zing!
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Why did you get kicked out of the screening?
It was press only, me and my friend tried to see if we could sneak in but it didn't work.
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Cameron trying to suck critic dong confirmed, doesn't care about the little guy.
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It's just funny that the only reason at all why anybody is excited for this is because of the names attached to it. It's like why anybody gives a shit about paris hilton.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like James Cameron has built up a reputation as a talented filmmaker who has put together several classic examples of the genre before or anything like that! He's basically just a Paris Hilton pretty face that got his fame from being born with a silver spoon in his mouth! God, I hate James Cameron. He's everything that I wish I could be...
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James Cameron: "I don't give a shit about hipsters"
Fixed.
Avatar is going to be completely fucking awesome. Too bad I have to wait til after New Years to see it because I promised someone in Japan I'd watch it with them.
Watch it on the sly then watch it again. You'll have to feign surprise though, when that beat red Navi phallus comes at you in 3D.
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Yeah, I mean, it's not like James Cameron has built up a reputation as a talented filmmaker who has put together several classic examples of the genre before or anything like that! He's basically just a Paris Hilton pretty face that got his fame from being born with a silver spoon in his mouth! God, I hate James Cameron. He's everything that I wish I could be...
dude shaddup, if that particular name wasn't attached to this then why would you at all give a shit based on anything you've seen/heard? Personally, I think any tween hopped up on adderall could make a less cheesy art style with a more engaging storyline probably too. Those two things look like balls, no denying.
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So now the "group of womens" became:
my friend:"you, me, my girlfriend and her best friend that is totally cute"
I hope she actually is.
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Yeah, I mean, it's not like James Cameron has built up a reputation as a talented filmmaker who has put together several classic examples of the genre before or anything like that! He's basically just a Paris Hilton pretty face that got his fame from being born with a silver spoon in his mouth! God, I hate James Cameron. He's everything that I wish I could be...
dude shaddup, if that particular name wasn't attached to this then why would you at all give a shit based on anything you've seen/heard? Personally, I think any tween hopped up on adderall could make a less cheesy art style with a more engaging storyline probably too. Those two things look like balls, no denying.
Yeah, okay. I guess you figured out my dirty little secret that I've been trying to hide. I don't really care about this movie at all, it was just a lie from the start. I am such a fool.
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Got tickets for midnight. The 3D glasses are a lot more comfortable than I remember. They already gave me the pair when I bought the tickets tonight.
Hopefully my $20 investment (for me and my fiancee) will be worth it.
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There's a rumor going around that Cameron wanted stores to pull Winds of Altair off shelves but it's OOP. :rofl
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Was Eberts review posted?
And Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a blue-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.
:-[
Link: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091211/REVIEWS/912119998
Edit: I'm dumb... its like on the first page. But still :-[
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just purchased my tickets for saturday. yay!
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Gonna buy my tickets in a couple of hours, all the avatar promo over here have the line "starring Dominican superstar Zoe Saldana" :rofl
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I'm buying my tickets pretty soon for the Cinemark 3D XD showing on Saturday. :rock
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I'm gonna show up on a random day without a ticket. If they're sold out I'll just go see Precious or something
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I'll go see it next week during the day so I don't have to deal with fucking people. Man, I hate fucking people.
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I bought tickets last night for a Friday night IMAX showing. Can't wait.
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Just saw it. Promises are met. Really is something I've never seen before. In that, it reminded me of the first time I saw Jurassic Park. What an event. It also realizes an alien/foreign world similar to Titanic or Lord of the Rings, but then for sci-fi.
Strory is simple, but is executed well with a nice green message. Great action movie, with heart and emotion, like they should be.
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Strory is simple, but is executed well with a nice green message.
Definitely not seeing it now.
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Strory is simple, but is executed well with a nice green message.
Definitely not seeing it now.
Durn lib'rals and their tree-hugging!
Also:
Cameron could go for about an hour and 15 minutes on a single fill of oxygen. Because he tended to get absorbed in his work, he asked his assistant director to warn him when it had been an hour since his last fill. A few weeks into the production, Cameron was talking Mastrantonio through a shot; the actress was about 20 feet away. Giddings, about 30 feet away, was lining up the shot, with his back to Cameron. All the other divers were at the surface or rigging lights off in the distance. As Cameron spoke to Mastrantonio, he took a breath, and got no air. Perplexed, he looked down at his pressure gauge, which read zero. The AD had forgotten to give Cameron the requested one-hour warning.
The director's helmet was attached to his buoyancy vest. He knew if he removed it, it would lose its bubble of air and become a 40-lb. anchor—between the helmet and the waist and ankle weights he was wearing, Cameron would be 80 lbs. negative. With the extra weight and no fins, there was no way he could swim to the surface. Hmm. This didn't look good.
But he still had the microphone in his helmet linked to the underwater PA system. And Giddings was down there with him. So Cameron called to him, "Al... Al... I'm in trouble." The running joke on the set had been that all the other divers had to cover their ears all day long while Cameron yelled, "Al! Al! Pan left!," because the DP had ruptured two eardrums in a diving bell accident 20 years earlier, and was all but deaf from the scar tissue. Funny, but not this time. Unable to rouse Giddings, Cameron looked around for the support divers. "Guys, I'm in trouble," he said, using up the rest of the air in his lungs. He made the sign for being out of air, a cutthroat motion across the neck, and a fist to the chest. Nothing. At the bottom of a 7 million gallon tank, in the dark, 35 feet from the surface, Cameron really was in trouble. He knew he had to ditch his rig or die.
Up in the control room, Orloff had noticed the director wasn't sounding like himself. Suddenly the sound mixer heard Cameron's helmet being popped off and all the expensive electronics inside it flooding. Back in the tank, with his heavy helmet now off and fastened to his buoyancy vest by a braided steel hose, Cameron couldn't see anything but a blur. By feel, he located the release of his buoyancy vest and shrugged out of it, dropping the helmet to the floor of A Tank. Then he began what divers call a "blow and go," a free ascent. If a diver fails to breathe out during a free ascent, the compressed air in his lungs will expand as the pressure in the water around him decreases, and eventually his lungs will explode, a very painful way to die. Cameron was blowing out a stream of bubbles as he ascended, and kicking like crazy because of his ankle weights. Finally, a safety diver named George raced to the director's aid. And that's when things got bad.
Safety divers are trained to stop panicking divers from ascending, so they don't blow their lungs. So George stopped Cameron about 15 feet from the surface, as he was schooled to do, and shoved his back-up regulator into Cameron's mouth. And Cameron did what he was supposed to do, which is purge, then inhale. But the back-up regulator was broken, a useless piece of junk disguised as lifesaving equipment. So Cameron inhaled water. Thinking he had purged incorrectly, Cameron repeated the procedure, as George held him down, and got another blast of water in his lungs.
Now he was choking, about to black out, and he had a guy holding him from ascending. With no way of explaining that he wasn't getting air, Cameron tried to pull away. Thinking the director was panicking, George held him even tighter, and tried to make him breathe on the regulator. “A classic clusterfuck,” recalls Cameron. It was then that Cameron's rough SCUBA training in the Buffalo Y pool really came in handy—either that or having brothers. Because he punched George as hard as he could, right in the face. George let Cameron go and the director made it to the surface without blacking out. He swam weakly to the dive platform and dragged himself from the tank.
By the end of the day, he had fired George and his AD. And he ordered the divers at the surface to fish out his helmet and fix the microphone so he could get back down in A Tank.
http://techland.com/2009/12/14/james-cameron-almost-died-making-the-abyss/2/ (http://techland.com/2009/12/14/james-cameron-almost-died-making-the-abyss/2/)
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Damn, we could've been spared Titanic and Avatar.
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So it's basically Ferngully. I knew it.
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So it's basically Ferngully. I knew it.
holy shit! you're right!!
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*aftermath of Navi tribe being defeated, despite massive army losses*
Govt official: Congratulations soldier, you did well. I understand [army dude with the makeup scars on his face] promised you something. But since he's no longer alive...
Sam Worthington: I don't want anything from you people
Govt official: Roll it out!
*an army specialist rolls out a mecha set of leg braces
Govt official: These bad boys cost a fortune, I'm sure you'll put them to good use. They're powered by the Navi minerals, don't make a peep, and a chick won't know you're packin em until she unzips your pants
Same Worthington: I fought with men and women who died to get that mineral. We were told the Navi were the enemy...but I can't help but feel the only enemy here is that mineral. It has caused more pain and suffering to us, and our environment, than the Navi ever could
Govt official: Heh, you really are as chickenshit as everyone says
Sam Worthington: *angry stare*
Govt official: Listen up soldier, the save the whales campaign ended 100 years ago. We're the dominant factor in this universe, and you better start acting like it. We're going to keep doing what we're doing, count on it
Sam Worthington: And I'm going to be there ensuring you don't. Count on it
*wheels away in his green friendly wheelchair*
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That had better not be the real ending, PD! :maf
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Strory is simple, but is executed well with a nice green message.
Definitely not seeing it now.
Then you're dumb as bricks for not expecting it, you anti-earther. Besides, it's more like an ecological feeling than a message. Like when watching Life or Planet Earth.
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The film is straight up movie magic, it's the reason why you'd want to watch a movie at a theater.
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The film is straight up movie magic, it made me want to recycle and hug a tree after I put on my furry outfit.
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Even the New Yorker liked it! :o
James Cameron's Avatar is the most beautiful film I’ve seen in years.
:o
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The film is straight up movie magic, it made me want to recycle and hug a tree after I put on my furry outfit.
Are you the jew or am I thinking of Himuru? I always mix you two up.
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The film is straight up movie magic, it made me want to recycle and hug a tree after I put on my furry outfit.
Are you the jew or am I thinking of Himuru? I always mix you two up.
OH FUCKING SNAP
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Going to see this tomorrow night, kind of ignored everything about this movie so all I know is 3D. Haven't watched a movie with no expectations in a long time.
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*aftermath of Navi tribe being defeated, despite massive army losses*
Govt official: Congratulations soldier, you did well. I understand [army dude with the makeup scars on his face] promised you something. But since he's no longer alive...
Sam Worthington: I don't want anything from you people
Govt official: Roll it out!
*an army specialist rolls out a mecha set of leg braces
Govt official: These bad boys cost a fortune, I'm sure you'll put them to good use. They're powered by the Navi minerals, don't make a peep, and a chick won't know you're packin em until she unzips your pants
Same Worthington: I fought with men and women who died to get that mineral. We were told the Navi were the enemy...but I can't help but feel the only enemy here is that mineral. It has caused more pain and suffering to us, and our environment, than the Navi ever could
Govt official: Heh, you really are as chickenshit as everyone says
Sam Worthington: *angry stare*
Govt official: Listen up soldier, the save the whales campaign ended 100 years ago. We're the dominant factor in this universe, and you better start acting like it. We're going to keep doing what we're doing, count on it
Sam Worthington: And I'm going to be there ensuring you don't. Count on it
*wheels away in his green friendly wheelchair*
That's totally awful if you just ruined the ending for me, dude...
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*aftermath of Navi tribe being defeated, despite massive army losses*
Govt official: Congratulations soldier, you did well. I understand [army dude with the makeup scars on his face] promised you something. But since he's no longer alive...
Sam Worthington: I don't want anything from you people
Govt official: Roll it out!
*an army specialist rolls out a mecha set of leg braces
Govt official: These bad boys cost a fortune, I'm sure you'll put them to good use. They're powered by the Navi minerals, don't make a peep, and a chick won't know you're packin em until she unzips your pants
Same Worthington: I fought with men and women who died to get that mineral. We were told the Navi were the enemy...but I can't help but feel the only enemy here is that mineral. It has caused more pain and suffering to us, and our environment, than the Navi ever could
Govt official: Heh, you really are as chickenshit as everyone says
Sam Worthington: *angry stare*
Govt official: Listen up soldier, the save the whales campaign ended 100 years ago. We're the dominant factor in this universe, and you better start acting like it. We're going to keep doing what we're doing, count on it
Sam Worthington: And I'm going to be there ensuring you don't. Count on it
*wheels away in his green friendly wheelchair*
That's totally awful if you just ruined the ending for me, dude...
:o :o :o ICHI :o :o :o
w/b!
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24 hours :hyper
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I want to see this so bad.
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Saw this today. I think it's my duty to kill the hype a little. All the critics fawning over this film like it's some new-age movie milestone is starting to get on my nerves.
First off, the 3d. There is nothing new here. I watched it realD, and to be honest, yes there are some cool moments and this is one of the better uses of the technology but it's still the same effect. Objects often feel distorted and smudged and this is more evident in the live action scenes where peoples faces and scenery get distorted. I wouldn't call it a gimmick just yet, but whole the effect feels superficial, like all the 3d films I've seen so far. If this is going to be you're first foray into 3d cinema then, you will definitely enjoy it. But if like me, this is you're 5th or 6th 3D film, than you won't really be impressed by anything shown here. In fact, its distorted quality will likely make you wish you were watching this in 2d.
I think it's telling when the best use of 3D I've seen in a cinema still remains the Spongebob Squarepants ident just before 'A Christmas Carol'.
The story is kinda weak. Like Genghis Cohen said, you've likely seen this movie in some shape or form before. Some of the exposition felt a lot like Final Fantasy-esque backstory lol.
Performances are average. Half the time I couldn't tell if our lead guy was Australian or American - though Zoe Saldana does a pretty stand-up job as the female Naa'vi. Oh and this is definitely the most furrisome movie I've seen this year. If you can't stand that sort of thing, don't watch this movie.
Most of the movie is scenery and exposition, the final action set-pieces don't really make up for that either. erm... cool explosions though.
so, story: weak / performances: average / cg: good enough.
Overall if you wan't to watch a pretty jungle adventure with bare-butt tribal people then you should rent Apocalypto on blu-ray instead.
I think the movie will do well enough though, I think it hits the pubescent teenage demographic quite well, there were alot of kids lining up after my screening.
better than Abyss, not as good as T2 or Aliens :bow.
'bout the same level as Titanic, I think, though it's beena while sice I've seen that.
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Seeing it in about 30 hours
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I found out from the producers I work with that Avatar was mixing as late as last Sunday. Geez.
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Tonight's the night!
PS, totally off topic, but
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HAY PAUL, CREATE AN ACCOUNT
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Saw this today. I think it's my duty to kill the hype a little. All the critics fawning over this film like it's some new-age movie milestone is starting to get on my nerves.
First off, the 3d. There is nothing new here. I watched it realD, and to be honest, yes there are some cool moments and this is one of the better uses of the technology but it's still the same effect. Objects often feel distorted and smudged and this is more evident in the live action scenes where peoples faces and scenery get distorted. I wouldn't call it a gimmick just yet, but whole the effect feels superficial, like all the 3d films I've seen so far. If this is going to be you're first foray into 3d cinema then, you will definitely enjoy it. But if like me, this is you're 5th or 6th 3D film, than you won't really be impressed by anything shown here. In fact, its distorted quality will likely make you wish you were watching this in 2d.
I think it's telling when the best use of 3D I've seen in a cinema still remains the Spongebob Squarepants ident just before 'A Christmas Carol'.
The story is kinda weak. Like Genghis Cohen said, you've likely seen this movie in some shape or form before. Some of the exposition felt a lot like Final Fantasy-esque backstory lol.
Performances are average. Half the time I couldn't tell if our lead guy was Australian or American - though Zoe Saldana does a pretty stand-up job as the female Naa'vi. Oh and this is definitely the most furrisome movie I've seen this year. If you can't stand that sort of thing, don't watch this movie.
Most of the movie is scenery and exposition, the final action set-pieces don't really make up for that either. erm... cool explosions though.
so, story: weak / performances: average / cg: good enough.
Overall if you wan't to watch a pretty jungle adventure with bare-butt tribal people then you should rent Apocalypto on blu-ray instead.
I think the movie will do well enough though, I think it hits the pubescent teenage demographic quite well, there were alot of kids lining up after my screening.
better than Abyss, not as good as T2 or Aliens :bow.
'bout the same level as Titanic, I think, though it's beena while sice I've seen that.
Better than which Abyss? The extended cut is pretty fucking awesome.
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Haven't seen the extended edition. And to be honest it's been years since I've seen the original cut anyway. In fact, I retract that statement, Avatar probably isn't as good as Abyss.
Let's just say Avatar didn't do anything for me. It's probably not as good as Titanic either.
Maybe I need time to meditate on it.
Or maybe once enough people have seen it on this board we might reach the consensus that Avatar is one of Cameron's worst films.
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Oh god, here comes the contrarion police, headed by InfectedGib.
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I thought his review was pretty reasonable, a lot more than yours. He seems to echo the sentiment made by most reviewers, but doesn't award the film the Oscar for Best Film in Ever and Ever simply because it looks pretty.
Blinders on much?
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I wouldn't deem my short post worthy of being called a review.
How can you say it's reasonable when you haven't seen the movie. Judging a review based on reviews by other people.
Gaf much?
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I can say it's reasonable when it seems to jive with pretty much what everyone else is saying, except (as stated) InfectedGib doesn't feel the need to praise the film with hyperbole based solely on its technical merits.
The film looks good. The story is not so good. Average performances. What's so different from his review and the majority of the positive ones on Rotten Tomatoes?
Oh yeah, he's not gunning for a quote on the Blu-ray box art.
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Yeah, it's not like he came in and posted, "This fucking sucks! James Cameron should eat shit and then die, and then my friends and I will take turns bricking on his shallow grave for the two-plus hours we just wasted!"*
It was reasonable and well stated, and seemed to jive with what we've already heard. It didn't have a lot of hyperbole.
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* That will be my review.
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Sorry, Tieno. I went into the theatre with an open-mind, even somewhat excited.
The script just felt flimsy, the dialogue half-hearted and trite. Cameron can write better than this.
Yes it's pretty, but it's not absorbing.
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The backlash on this one is going to be epic. It will tear the internet in two.
We've already weathered the Perfect Storm*, everything after that is just a brief rain shower.
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*Star Wars PT
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AV Club comes with the real talk: (http://www.avclub.com/articles/avatar,36459/) C
Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.
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completely agree with that quote
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:bow AV Club :bow2
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:bow
fuck Avatar.
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Got my ticket :hyper :hyper :hyper
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furfags annihilated
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AV Club comes with the real talk: (http://www.avclub.com/articles/avatar,36459/) C
Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.
A "C" spectacle flick is still worth seeing imo, and that isn't how you guys have been treating this. You'd think Cameron held you down and forced you into a fursuit or something.
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I think it's exactly how we've been treating it. It's no different than the reaction you would have if the rest of us were hyping a mediocre film that gets by on spectacle alone, the only difference here is that you like James Cameron.
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"I think it's exactly how we've been treating it. It's no different than the reaction you would have if the rest of us were hyping a mediocre film that gets by on spectacle alone, the only difference here is that you like James Cameron."
I don't see you guys bashing Dark Knight this hard.
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Are you kidding? Prole & Co. bashed the hell out of The Dark Knight. This is the same exact reaction!
... the only difference is, The Dark Knight was a good movie.
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Are you kidding? Prole & Co. bashed the hell out of The Dark Knight. This is the same exact reaction!
... the only difference is, The Dark Knight was a good movie.
Yeah, the thing is that you don't KNOW that Avatar sucks, since you haven't seen it. :smug
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Yeah, like I said, The Dark Knight might have been ridiculously overhyped, but at least it was a good movie.
Strip away the digital 3D picture and furry special effects, Avatar is apparently pretty mediocre.
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Yeah, the thing is that you don't KNOW that Avatar sucks, since you haven't seen it. :smug
It doesn't take a soothsayer after reading just the positive reviews. If I manage to see it, maybe on an in-air flight or something - and it doesn't suck - I am man enough to admit it.
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I won't be seeing this as it has two of the things I don't like watching the most: sci-fi and furries.
Good luck Cameron.
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furfags annihilated
The Fantastic Mr. Fox was their #3 movie of the year. :lol
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Yeah, the thing is that you don't KNOW that Avatar sucks, since you haven't seen it. :smug
It doesn't take a soothsayer after reading just the positive reviews. If I manage to see it, maybe on an in-air flight or something - and it doesn't suck - I am man enough to admit it.
My mind is just boggled that you not only intentionally saw Bayformers but obviously on some level think that it is going to be a better movie/more enjoyable than Avatar.
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do the giant blue animals fuck in this
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"unobtainium"
god, please take away james cameron's access to all forms of communication
in return i will go to church once, on a time and date when i don't have anything else to do
that's a fair trade, i don't ask for much
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"unobtainium"
god, please take away james cameron's access to all forms of communication
"Unobtanium" has been used by engineers since the 50's and in FORMAL ENGINEERING PAPERS as early as the 90's.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/unobtainium-intro.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/unobtainium-intro.html)
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that totally makes it less of a stupid word
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I'll watch it 4 times in theaters; one for myself and the rest for Prole, Cohen and Willco. I'm sure Cameron will appreciate the money more than your support.
Jin is a true cinéaste, I would be proud to make out with him in a showing of Avatar.
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that totally makes it less of a stupid word
Stupid or not, it's the term that's been used for decades for just the type of material that's in the movie.
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i understand that, but when used in a film that's about giant blue animals it comes off as twee and distinguished mentally-challenged
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"We're going down to Pandora to infiltrate the Na'vi with our Avatars and mine their Unobtainium."
CRINGE
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Well, I guess he could have just made up a stupid word like "gravitainium" or "spaceageium" or whatever.
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"We're going down to Pandora to infiltrate the Na'vi with our Avatars and mine their Unobtainium."
CRINGE
Good God, it already has better writing than Juno! Best Picture, fo sho.
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i hope you don't expect me to argue that
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i'll likely watch this at some point
i have a weird friend who likes to edit action scenes from movies into clip DVDs and play them in the background when we're all hanging out at his house
that's how i watched pearl harbor, that's how i'll watch avatar
keep that in mind when i bump this thread a year from now and say i thought it was a pretty good flick
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:lol
Willco: "How was Avatar?"
Eel: "It was awesome!"
Willco: "How was the story, though?"
Eel: "I dunno."
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DANCES WITH UNOBTAINIUM
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I can't wait for the sequel where they search for "cantfuckinggetitanium".
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when is this going to be in theaters anyway?
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20 minutes from now
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yeah, you even like king kong :yuck
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JFK was the best 3 hours I ever spent. I might one day pop in ROTK EE and check it out. Had it since release never watched.
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I was just thinking about the King Kong remake and totally forgot that there were scenes not in the jungle. And this is King Kong, so you know there is a scene with him climbing buildings and stuff. I was totally out of the movie by then.
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Obviously, you don't understand the intricacies of Peter Jackson's adaptation of a '30s B-movie.
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I call for the removal of any scene that does not involve giant monsters.
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It was so quick, that when you quoted it, it said '30s? ???
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If I edit, it'll show you. Watch, I'll show you.
:O
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I can't stand the fact that not every critic will give James Cameron a free pass because the film looks pretty. :'(
You should probably go watch King Kong to prepare yourself.
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... by the way, I'm sure Cohen and Triumph will laugh at the fact that you called me pompous when it comes to film. If anything, this forum has given me grief - Transformers aside - on being too lenient with popcorn fare.
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Just got back from Avatar, and here are my thoughts without spoiling or really rating the film.
Visually, the film is amazing. It was awesome in 3D and actually helped the film. If it was just on the basis of visuals, I would give this film ten out of ten stars. Probably the best CG I've ever seen, and if it's transferred well, Avatar will be one hell of a Blu-ray purchase.
My problem is with the story. Not that it isn't good or anything, but I just couldn't connect to the film at all. Especially towards the ending. Unfortunately, without seeing the film, you won't really understand.
The film isn't straight up Fern Gully, but that message is there too. It's more than that. I just couldn't latch on to the plot or the story at all. I read a review where the story felt cold. Yeah, that's where I'm at. Not to mention that the villains are very flat, one sided, and predictable throughout the film.
I'm on the fence. I will probably give it another watch. I may even buy it. But it's definitely not the film of the year and it definitely doesn't deserve an Academy Award other than one for the visuals.
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fern gully :bow2
i rode that movies dick hard when i was a kiddy
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Man, the action scenes in the movie lived up to the hype though. Holy fucking shit. James Cameron didn't lose a step between T2/True Lies and Avatar. Again, enough for me to say the movie was good.
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Just got back from an East Coast showing at midnight. Theatre was pretty well-populated....anyone arriving 10 minutes prior to showtime would probably have been stuck sitting alone or sitting in the first few rows. Why do I always feel sorry for these people? :lol
I think the problem with the super generic story is the same problem that King Kong had -- the ending is such a forgone conclusion that length becomes a consideration. Oftentimes it feels like you are tapping your foot waiting for things to come to a head. This wouldn't be a problem though if the characters were empathetic or interesting, but they are mostly just flat. If I were going to see the movie again it would almost certainly be for the last 20 minutes, which would make all the stuff that comes before it even more difficult to sit through. The Na'vi are never really humanized and their society never really explored....if the prelude had to be so long, it would have be nice to get a sequence like the Hobbiton part in Fellowship of the Ring - some section where we see more about how they live and play. They are just stoic mystics and hunters....more like Tolkein's stuffy joyless Elves than the Hobbits.
I was much more impressed with all the CG than I thought I would be, and much less impressed by the 3D. The 3D didn't seem any better or worse than other stuff I have seen in 3D, though I suppose there is less of that pop-up-book effect. A lot of times you cease to notice it at all.....I wasn't sure if my glasses stopped working at times. I had a headache through the last 45 minutes of the film, though I am still not sure if it was due to the glasses that pinch your head like a pair of tweezers or the 3D itself. I wouldn't say I felt particularly immersed, and there are still plenty of shots of stuff coming at the camera (though less obvious and gimmicky). A lot of the problems I had with RealD continue to exist with IMAX 3D.....things can look kinda flickery, or sometimes hazy and semi-translucent (like when you hold your hand about 5 inches from your face and it looks as if you can see through it).
CG looks very good, though I'd still say it mostly looks like CG whenever there is anything other than an inanimate object on screen. To WETA's credit though, there are still of shots of that look like humans in prosthetics rather than CG furries. Mostly I think this is a step forward in animation and getting the movements down right.
If you live in the boonies and can't get to a 3D theatre, I wouldn't sweat it too much. The 3D isn't a gimmick, but it isn't really what makes the film. The technology still has a long way to go, especially if it's going to hike ticket prices by 50%.
I dunno how the movie will play with normal audiences. My friend is a pretty average moviegoer and he liked it, but certainly wasn't wild about it. He said military/human scenes were on par with "that shitty videogame that Mark Hamill was in with the giant tigers" :lol But he really enjoyed all the Pandora stuff. He said Sigourney Weaver was terrible - I merely thought she was phoning it in. I feel like they could have gotten somebody much better and much more into it.
Overall I'd say it was just okay -- mostly worth seeing just to have something to talk about with everyone else. And I'm hoping it will bring us out the "Shrek"-era of CG films and towards something a little more serious. It doesn't feel like a game-changer or a leap forward or whatever, but it is hard to hate if you take it on its own merits and not the hype. I'd rank it below almost all of Cameron's other films....maybe better than The Terminator (my least favorite).
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AV Club comes with the real talk: (http://www.avclub.com/articles/avatar,36459/) C
Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.
Paragraph says what needs to be said, especially that last sentence. It's a glorified tech demo
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Was Sam Worthington's acting good?
Also (spoiler):
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Does he become an avatar for good like Ive always assumed?
I'd say he was barely adequate. He hasn't got the gravitas to pull off a charismatic lead guy. He's just a bit plain.
In answer to your question (spoiler):
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yes, he does. right at the end.
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AV Club comes with the real talk: (http://www.avclub.com/articles/avatar,36459/) C
Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.
Paragraph says what needs to be said, especially that last sentence. It's a glorified tech demo
This is all a test bed for Battle Angel Alita :punch
Fortunately with Battle Angel its a no frills anime/manga about a cyborg girl who tears shit up. None of this Ferngully shit.
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Cameron isnt making Battle Angel, though. He has said as much in recent interviews.
Anyways, about 11 hours from THE CINEMATIC EVENT OF OUR TIME (TM).
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Cameron isnt making Battle Angel, though. He has said as much in recent interviews.
Anyways, about 11 hours from THE CINEMATIC EVENT OF OUR TIME (TM).
Someone posted a vid on GAF of him talking about Battle Angel (hmmm, didn't bother to check if it was recent though). I'mma search for the link.
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Here it is, the article and video were posted on the 14th
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/12/14/avatar-director-offers-update-on-battle-angel-alita-adaptation/
As for where the film stands, Cameron seemed to indicate that "Alita" is still on his radar — though he hasn't progressed to the point of casting the film thus far.
"We're not that far down the line," he said. "We have a very good script and we've done a lot of production design. We've done about a year of production design and we've put together an art reel that shows the arc of the film."
Edit: Read a comment at the bottom, Cameron probably did give an update after that interview was taped. Though I'm reading it as along of the lines of "The Dive first, Alita after" (hopefully)
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Most of the negative reviewers seem to be the pompous Willco types, which means I'll probably disagree with them.
But Willco liked Transformers, so he should be going wild for Avatar. It's a strange world we live in.
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Was Sam Worthington's acting good?
Also (spoiler):
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Does he become an avatar for good like Ive always assumed?
I'd say he was barely adequate. He hasn't got the gravitas to pull off a charismatic lead guy. He's just a bit plain.
In answer to your question (spoiler):
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yes, he does. right at the end.
This happens in the game too. Does the movie have to do with collecting "harmonies" or something called Well of Souls?
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9 hours! I'm ready man! I'm ready to GET IT ON!
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12 HOURS AND 29 MINUTES
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This happens in the game too. Does the movie have to do with collecting "harmonies" or something called Well of Souls?
eh no. but those things are referenced. like I said, Final Fantasy-esque backstory lol.
do the giant blue animals fuck in this
:teehee
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Anyway, the film is down to 81% on RT. Below The Princess and the Frog now.
At least it's getting better reviews than Sherlock Holmes. :teehee
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I'd imagine they'd be about the same, if Cameron's name wasn't attached to Avatar.
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Saw it at the midnight showing. Some annoying similarities with Ferngully (seriously) but a pretty fucking whip ass movie.
Recommend seeing it in 2D first. It's just too fast in 3D and hard to focus on what's going on during some of the epic battles.
Best CG facial articulation EVER by the way. It's the first time I ever forgot I was watching CG characters.
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Under 4 hours away now!
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The acting wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular either. It was strong enough to do what it needed to do.
It was worth the 20 bucks because it was ridiculously pretty and the action scenes were breathtaking.
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http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2009/12/whoa-1985-comic-looks-a-lot-like-avatar
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That comic looks pretty awesome.
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It rips off Ben Bova almost word for word. But will Cameron give credit? Not until someone takes him to court. The problem is that Ben Bova is not Harlan Ellison and seems to have no desire to pursue it.
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It rips off Ben Bova almost word for word. But will Cameron give credit? Not until someone takes him to court. The problem is that Ben Bova is not Harlan Ellison and seems to have no desire to pursue it.
Only in that they're both about "guys that transfer their consciousness to an alien body and run around on another planet".
Here's the synopsis of "Call Me Joe" and you can judge for yourself:
Joe is awakened in his den, when a pack of predators is attacking him. Using his great strength, and weapons made from sculpted ice, he kills the animals and, exultant, bays at the moon above him. A vital component shorts out, and "Joe" reverts to being a human, Ed Anglesey, wearing a special headset on a space station orbiting Jupiter. Anglesey furiously repairs the equipment to restore the connection.
It transpires that such equipment failures are happening more and more often. All technical attempts at repair have failed, and instead a psionics expert, Cornelius, is brought to the station to determine if Anglesey himself is the problem.
Anglesey uses a wheelchair and is bad-tempered. He dislikes all his colleagues and is disliked in return. He is allowed to stay on the station only because of his ability to establish a telepathic connection with and thereby control Joe, a creature designed to survive the hostile conditions on the Jovian surface. Cornelius conjectures that something in Anglesey's mind rejects or fears Jupiter, and the resulting feedback keeps destroying the delicate equipment.
Eventually Cornelius is allowed to share a session with Anglesey during an important part of the mission. A set of autonomous female Jovians, similar to Joe but lacking a human controller such as Anglesey, has been launched from the satellite and will soon land on Jupiter. Joe, still controlled by Anglesey, is to be the leader, and father, of a new race that will live on the planet. During this session, Cornelius becomes aware of a third mind – that of Joe himself. Anglesey's mind has been steadily transforming itself into Joe and shrinking in the process. Cornelius was looking at the problem from the wrong end – it was not Anglesey's fear of going to Jupiter and becoming sublimated into Joe's stronger character which was causing the blowouts, but his fear of leaving Jupiter and the freedom Joe's whole and healthy, though non-human, body allows him. Anglesey's existence is poor and constricted compared to Joe's, and the environment has shaped a personality that no longer wants to be human.
Seeing himself from Cornelius's perspective, Joe becomes fully self-aware. He ejects Cornelius from the loop and shuts down what is left of Anglesey.
Cornelius revives on the station next to the hollow shell of Anglesey's body. Far from being dismayed, Cornelius realizes that this is the way of the future. From now on people with diseased bodies and even the aged can be recruited for the Jovian program if they have the necessary talents. Eventually they will leave their bodies behind and become Jovians in the flesh, functioning as the priesthood of the new race.
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I was not talking about Call Me Joe.
I was talking about Winds of Altair.
The classic SciFi novel tells the story of humans trying to terraform the planet of Altair IV, where they cannot breath the air. The natives of this planet are a cat-like race (hmm, the Na'vi in Avatar look a little like cats) and Humans are able to transfer their minds into these cats in order to explore the planet safely. Throughout the course of the novel, the main character inhabits the body of one of these cats (just like in Avatar) and grows to side with the natives against the Military in the story.
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I was not talking about Call Me Joe.
I was talking about Winds of Altair.
The classic SciFi novel tells the story of humans trying to terraform the planet of Altair IV, where they cannot breath the air. The natives of this planet are a cat-like race (hmm, the Na'vi in Avatar look a little like cats) and Humans are able to transfer their minds into these cats in order to explore the planet safely. Throughout the course of the novel, the main character inhabits the body of one of these cats (just like in Avatar) and grows to side with the natives against the Military in the story.
Ben Bova ripped off Poul Anderson! What a hack! :maf
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James Cameron utterly but not unexpectedly annihilated!!!
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the videogame adaptation came out in 2001
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The classic SciFi novel tells the story of humans trying to terraform the planet of Altair IV, where they cannot breath the air. The natives of this planet are a cat-like race (hmm, the Na'vi in Avatar look a little like cats) and Humans are able to transfer their minds into these cats in order to explore the planet safely. Throughout the course of the novel, the main character inhabits the body of one of these cats (just like in Avatar) and grows to side with the natives against the Military in the story.
It rips off Ben Bova almost word for word. But will Cameron give credit? Not until someone takes him to court. The problem is that Ben Bova is not Harlan Ellison and seems to have no desire to pursue it.
Joe is awakened in his den, when a pack of predators is attacking him. Using his great strength, and weapons made from sculpted ice, he kills the animals and, exultant, bays at the moon above him. A vital component shorts out, and "Joe" reverts to being a human, Ed Anglesey, wearing a special headset on a space station orbiting Jupiter. Anglesey furiously repairs the equipment to restore the connection.
It transpires that such equipment failures are happening more and more often. All technical attempts at repair have failed, and instead a psionics expert, Cornelius, is brought to the station to determine if Anglesey himself is the problem.
Anglesey uses a wheelchair and is bad-tempered. He dislikes all his colleagues and is disliked in return. He is allowed to stay on the station only because of his ability to establish a telepathic connection with and thereby control Joe, a creature designed to survive the hostile conditions on the Jovian surface. Cornelius conjectures that something in Anglesey's mind rejects or fears Jupiter, and the resulting feedback keeps destroying the delicate equipment.
Eventually Cornelius is allowed to share a session with Anglesey during an important part of the mission. A set of autonomous female Jovians, similar to Joe but lacking a human controller such as Anglesey, has been launched from the satellite and will soon land on Jupiter. Joe, still controlled by Anglesey, is to be the leader, and father, of a new race that will live on the planet. During this session, Cornelius becomes aware of a third mind – that of Joe himself. Anglesey's mind has been steadily transforming itself into Joe and shrinking in the process. Cornelius was looking at the problem from the wrong end – it was not Anglesey's fear of going to Jupiter and becoming sublimated into Joe's stronger character which was causing the blowouts, but his fear of leaving Jupiter and the freedom Joe's whole and healthy, though non-human, body allows him. Anglesey's existence is poor and constricted compared to Joe's, and the environment has shaped a personality that no longer wants to be human.
Seeing himself from Cornelius's perspective, Joe becomes fully self-aware. He ejects Cornelius from the loop and shuts down what is left of Anglesey.
Cornelius revives on the station next to the hollow shell of Anglesey's body. Far from being dismayed, Cornelius realizes that this is the way of the future. From now on people with diseased bodies and even the aged can be recruited for the Jovian program if they have the necessary talents. Eventually they will leave their bodies behind and become Jovians in the flesh, functioning as the priesthood of the new race.
"Hey asshole, it was my shitty cliche-ridden story first!"
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Seeing this tonight because my friends suck. I'll happily eat crow if it turns out to be decent, but somehow I doubt that will happen
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Mark Kermode said "In its worst moments, this [Avatar] does turn into the Star Wars prequels"
lol
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It's too bad noble savages never preach against the dangers of over-reliance on narrative cliches. You'd think they'd have a line about that in their myths somewhere.
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:lol
... So does Cameron just look for a lot of obscure stuff no longer in print or out of circulation, and blatantly steals ideas, hoping that we never catch on because Americans don't read?
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FRIDAY 12:15 AM UPDATE: Twas the weekend before Christmas, but I refused to wax poetic about whether James Cameron's long awaited, much discussed, big budget technopic would be a gigantic hit, giant hit, or modest hit until I saw some actual numbers. That's because 20th Century Fox's Avatar finally hit theaters last night in North America and 106 countries overseas after years of fan curiosity, followed by recent months of negative buzz, followed by the past two weeks of mostly strong reviews (82% positive on Rotten Tomatoes). No one is predicting disaster for the film. Especially not after I can reveal what Steven Spielberg said after screening it on the Fox lot: "The last time I came out of a movie feeling that way it was the first time I saw Star Wars."
Rival studios reported to me this morning that midnight U.S. and Canada grosses were around $3 million with the 3D ticket premium. Now 20th Century Fox has announced its official midnight screening gross of $3,537,000, including the 3D ticket price premium, from approximately 2000 theatres.
I also just heard that internationally, Avatar is huge in Australia with $4.8 million from Thursday and Friday combined, and running double what 2012 which did not have a 3D premium did there, or $2.3 million. (By contrast, New Moon opened to $7.8M.) In Germany, Avatar debuted to $1.7 million, compared to 2012's $1.4M. (New Moon did $2.2M.) In Korea, Avatar opened to $1.4, behind 2012's $1.9M. (New Moon made only $800K.) But in the UK, opening day was hit by snow so grosses are running behind.
Meanwhile, a giant snowstorm is expected on the America's East Coast, with 20 inches predicted for Washington DC.
I've learned that today's matinees are running about 10% better than this summer's Star Trek. But with 3D films, matinees are normally higher because a larger portion of the business is done via presales. Then again, Fox is warning that the weekend before Christmas can be dicey for moviegoing because everyone is more focused on shopping and partying. And weather is already a factor. But movies which open the weekend before Christmas tend to do better multiples than normal from opening box office to lifetime. While in the summer tentpoles tend to have lifetime grosses of 3 to 3.5 times opening weekend. Whereas movies that open the weekend before Christmas can do 4, 5 or even 6 times the opening weekend. So if Avatar were to do $75M to $85M this weekend, it could still get to a $300M-$400M lifetime total which is what the movie's negative cost is thought to be.
Right now, Hollywood has refined its original unfocused $60M-$75M prediction upwards to $85 million for the 3-day domestic weekend -- better than the all-time December opening of I Am Legend at $77,211,321 but only because of Avatar's 3D ticket price premium.
Remember, this is the biggest 3D release in movie history, spurred by the excitement surrounding Cameron's creation of the Fusion Camera System technology for photo-realistic computer-generated characters through motion capture animation. His film is playing in 3,542 total theaters domestic (including 2,038 3D locations and 3,129 3D screens and 179 all 3D IMAX), and into 17,222 screens overseas (including a total 3D and 3D Imax screens of 5,360, and a total IMAX 3D screens of 81).
Now, that's a wide 2D release but by no means the widest. And yet last night there weren't the usual reports pouring in to me of long lines and sold-out theaters after midnight, except for the IMAX 3D venues. Instead, Internet chatter and anecdotal accounts indicate moviehouses showing Avatar were not playing to packed houses -- at least not yet. MORE
Disclaimer: Spielberg also loved the prequels.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
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Fucking loved it. Yes, all the problems youve heard are true. No, they dont seem to matter when watching.
*bow*Cameron*bow*
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they will soon
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This opens here next week, so I may go see it next weekend. I'm cautiously optimistic about it.
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they will soon
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I look forward to Solo's review after he rewatches this at home, after the high of watching it with an anxious opening night crowd wears off.
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Its a spectacle/blockbuster movie that delivers majorly on the spectacle. Expect that and you wont be disappointed. If you expect anything deeper than that, you will.
EDIT: I wont watch this at home, Feder. It would be a completely gimped experience, since I have no intent of buying a 3D TV. Ill see this once more in theatres, then that will be it.
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To be fair, I don't think we should have to lower our expectations considering the director. Cameron has been able to pull off compelling stories and spectacle before, why should not expect the same now?
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To be fair, I don't think we should have to lower our expectations considering the director. Cameron has been able to pull off compelling stories and spectacle before, why should not expect the same now?
I think he will.....in Avatar 2 :lol
Its quite obvious that after 12 years on the sidelines he was more concerned with revolutionizing tech and showing the Michael Bays of the world what action really is.
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Okay, Solo's review is reasonable. Yours is useless nerd drivel.
This is why we named this emoticon after you:
:greenshinobi
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:lol
Don't forget, Cohen - it's "the biggest film of all-time!"
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Sounds like Cameron was personally handing out $100 bills at that showing.
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"Some people say that the film isn't original, but there is more creativity in one minute on the surface of Pandora than in any dozen plot-twisting dramas or thrillers." :greenshinobi
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:greenshinobi "Better than some weird comics!"
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Guys, so what if it shares the same story, characters, plot, visuals and intricate details from other people's works - writing original screenplays is tough work!
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Guys, so what if it shares the same story, characters, plot, visuals and intricate details from other people's works - writing original screenplays is tough work!
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Willco and Cohen, take your respective fat ass and pedophile mustache to the 3d cinema and watch this film, then come back and tell me that it is not the "biggest" film ever made. The set pieces in this film blow away anything else ever put on film.
Computer generated graphics do not deserve to be referred to as set pieces. Ben Hur had set pieces.
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Its too bad the characters werent better though. There were several scenes that should have been real rah-rah moments when you get behind the character and cheer, but they fell flat.
I will agree with Shinobi though on the action. Cameron's 12 year vacay obviously let him recharge like a motherfucker.
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Willco and Cohen, take your respective fat ass and pedophile mustache to the 3d cinema and watch this movie, then come back and tell me that it is not the "biggest" film ever made. The set pieces in this film blow away anything else ever put on film.
(http://war3.incgamers.com/uploads/08413.Minas%20Tirith.jpg)
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I don't know if I could handle watching a film that's better than Ferngully, dude.
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Not even Citizen Kane can topple Ferngully. I don't see how Avatar could.
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Willco and Cohen, take your respective fat ass and pedophile mustache to the 3d cinema and watch this movie, then come back and tell me that it is not the "biggest" film ever made. The set pieces in this film blow away anything else ever put on film.
:rofl
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Don't laugh at Cohen's mustache, Cajole!
Willco, you're really nothing more than a glorified troll at this point.
Hey, your words - not mine!
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Don't laugh at Cohen's mustache, Cajole!
It's ok, I have a terrorist beard.
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I love how this thread is seemingly renamed every time I visit :lol
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Willco and Cohen, take your respective fat ass and pedophile mustache to the 3d cinema and watch this movie, then come back and tell me that it is not the "biggest" film ever made. The set pieces in this film blow away anything else ever put on film.
Oh man, its the perfect storm of Green Shinobi'ism
:greenshinobi :greenshinobi :greenshinobi :greenshinobi :greenshinobi
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Jeffrey Wells at Hollywood Elsewhere is seriously talking about this movie as being a Best Picture nominee. Before he had seen the movie, he had been one of its biggest detractors, saying Cameron had seemingly lost it and etc., etc., etc.
If a curmudgeon like him can be moved to publicly change his mind, I'm willing to give it a chance, ugly-looking blue cat-people aside.
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I wish Green Shinobi wasn't the film's biggest supporter since it makes it look worse by proxy. :-\
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I wish Green Shinobi wasn't the film's biggest supporter since it makes it look worse by proxy. :-\
Why is it bad that Green Shinobi likes it?
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He is like Captain Hyperbole. Did you not read our discussion where he told us how King Kong was one of the greatest films of all-time, or how Muse is the greatest band of all-time?
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All I know about him is the infamous "asian girlfriend got preggo, stole my rabbit" story.
EDIT: Which King Kong, the Peter Jackson one? Holy cow.
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Avatar will get a Best Picture nom, Im sure of that. Will or or should it win? Of course not. Im still backing Inglourious Basterds in that race.
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Avatar will get a Best Picture nom, Im sure of that. Will or or should it win? Of course not. Im still backing Inglourious Basterds in that race.
With the increase of Best Picture nominees to ten, they'll definitely slide in some fan favorites that aren't the usual Oscar-bait.
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Avatar will get a Best Picture nom, Im sure of that. Will or or should it win? Of course not. Im still backing Inglourious Basterds in that race.
With the increase of Best Picture nominees to ten, they'll definitely slide in some fan favorites that aren't the usual Oscar-bait.
That, and also James Cameron seems to have (very surprisingly, in my eyes) been welcomed back into the fold with open arms by critics.
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Why is that surprising? I can't think of a single James Cameron movie that's been ravaged by critics. The only thing I can remember is the whole "misogyny" discussion regarding True Lies, but even that one's rated 'fresh' according to Rotten Tomatoes.
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I thought this movie was going to be a terrible movie about furries. I knew nothing about it going in.
Generic plot and characters aside, it was a pretty good action film! The last 30-40 mins was the best action we've seen in hollywood in a long time. Nobody can direct action sequences anymore. They're all crappy fast cutting hyper. This was badass with mechs and dragons and tigers and guns and knives and punching tigers in the face. The 3d was really great too and the CG was excellent. Liked it!
The art style and story felt like James Cameron played FFVII-FFX and decided he wanted to make a movie like that and hired all the jrpg artists and writers from Japan to make his film with him. The film felt kinda like an 80s stereotypical big action movie x 90s stereotypical jrpg.
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Square needs to make an Avatar RPG.
I'd play it.
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Why is that surprising?
His hilariously pompous appearance at the 1998 Acacemy Awards followed by exile led me to believe he might get more cold shoulders. Instead, the love fountain was simply replenished.
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Bebpo keeps the hype train rolling! :rock
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Ichirou, I'll catch you up to speed:
Since your departure Green Shinobi was annihilated by Boogie in a thread where he was in favor of the legalization of narcotics (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=29395.135), voiced disapproval over an AIDS vaccine (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=31900.0), called King Kong one of the best directed and most action packed films of all-time (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32687.msg988166#msg988166) and also said the Peter Jackson remake was better than the original (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=22068.msg549275#msg549275).
He also likes the latest Muse CD.
Also, James Cameron is the king of the world.
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It is kind of disheartening to think that Spielberg and Cameron are getting to be old men, and yet they are still the best action directors in the business. Doesnt leave me with a lot of hope for future action flicks. Even someone like Chris Nolan, who is talented in every other way, cant shoot action worth shit.
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Bebpo keeps the hype train rolling! :rock
Generic plot and characters aside, it was a pretty good action film!
You guys :lol
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Ichirou, I'll catch you up to speed:
Since your departure Green Shinobi was annihilated by Boogie in a thread where he was in favor of the legalization of narcotics (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=29395.135), voiced disapproval over an AIDS vaccine (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=31900.0), called King Kong one of the best directed and most action packed films of all-time (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32687.msg988166#msg988166) and also said the Peter Jackson remake was better than the original (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=22068.msg549275#msg549275).
He also likes the latest Muse CD.
Also, James Cameron is the king of the world.
Just got through reading his posts in those threads. That really is a clusterfuck of embarrassing opinions. He should've known better than to argue with Boogie, though - I still remember Boogie annihilating Powerslave on the whole "The Armenian Genocide is just a MYTH, you guys!" some years back.
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CGI ruined action. Cameron and Spielberg cut their teeth on filming real crazy shit. you have to know what you're doing for that to happen right. CGI gives the director too much leeway in creating a scene, so they get lazy. At least that is my take.
Definitely. Also, a LOT of the current crop of action movie directors got their start in music videos, and they have unfortunately carried over those "sensibilities" to movies.
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CGI ruined action. Cameron and Spielberg cut their teeth on filming real crazy shit. you have to know what you're doing for that to happen right. CGI gives the director too much leeway in creating a scene, so they get lazy. At least that is my take.
CGI ruined the latest Indy movie, so even someone as solid as Spielberg isn't immune to abusing it . The opening sequence with the obviously CGI prairie dogs should've been warning enough for anyone expecting a decent movie to leave the theater.
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Alright, I'll admit that the CGI itself was pretty impressive and much more polished than what was shown in the trailers and whatnot. It's too bad everything else was just meh
The art style and story felt like James Cameron played FFVII-FFX and decided he wanted to make a movie like that and hired all the jrpg artists and writers from Japan to make his film with him. The film felt kinda like an 80s stereotypical big action movie x 90s stereotypical jrpg.
:lol What?
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Boogie didn't annihilate me at all. You guys just went into that argument already agreeing with his point of view.
Bro, I'm not even against legalizing marijuana, but Boogie utterly destroyed every single argument you made with nothing but pure, solid factual evidence.
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No, his argument was that if cops go into drug dealers' houses without guns drawn, they're probably going to get killed.
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wilco, its your movie posters that save you
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My dad called this one of the best movies he ever saw. I have concluded that I was conceived in fur suits.
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Eh, I don't think Spielberg is that great of an action director. That said, he's a great director.
What Spielberg has (and Cameron too) is the ability to tie action to the narrative in a way that makes what you're seeing on the screen carry some kind of emotional weight and further the story along. I think a lot of directors simply come from a microscopic school of thought, and go out to film the most elaborate, frantic action scenes possible, without once thinking about how those shots can further the story along. We're an MTV generation; we want YouTube clips, not slow, meticulous set pieces setup by long stretches of tension.
I mean, I know younger people that think the chase sequence in the first half of Terminator 2 is boring. That's right, boring.
Perfect example of this is The Matrix. The original is incredible, and the Wachowski's don't waste a single action sequence that doesn't connect to or move the story along. The subway duel is fantastic because it marks a significant turning point in Neo's character arc, combining both well-choreographed action and a compelling story. The sequels blow - hard - because all they are is a series of disconnected action sequences.
I find the primary factor behind of all this is just what Solo said, that a lot of younger directors cut their teeth with music videos and try to bring those sensibilities to feature-length productions. The other factor is the short attention span of mainstream audiences.
We might think long, character-focused action sequences built up with long stretches of tension to be awesome (and it is), but I don't think we (as in myself, Ichirou, Solo, etc.) represent the mainstream at large.
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My dad called this one of the best movies he ever saw. I have concluded that I was conceived in fur suits.
No wonder you became the Ice Truck Killer.
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And my argument was that one of your essential civil liberties should be the right to not have a gun pointed in your face on suspicion alone.
And we should be allowed to scream 'fire' in crowded theaters, too. 'Cuz, you know, free speech.
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I mean, I know younger people that think the chase sequence in the first half of Terminator 2 is boring. That's right, boring.
How young are we talking here?
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Teenagers. When my sister's boyfriend (15) came over with his two friends, I was watching Terminator 2 and they kept going, "Man, I didn't know this movie was so boring."
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Teenagers. When my sister's boyfriend (15) came over with his two friends, I was watching Terminator 2 and they kept going, "Man, I didn't know this movie was so boring."
I now know why you cry...but it is something I can never do. :(
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To be fair, I do think Cameron's movies are almost always too long...
... but to call the motorcycle/semi chase in Terminator 2 boring? Really?
That's when I realized that if I make it in Hollywood, I'm so fucked.
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hey guys. whats going on itt, LOL
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Teenagers. When my sister's boyfriend (15) came over with his two friends, I was watching Terminator 2 and they kept going, "Man, I didn't know this movie was so boring."
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And my argument was that one of your essential civil liberties should be the right to not have a gun pointed in your face on suspicion alone.
Last post I'll make on that topic.
Avatar was fucking awesome, guys.
:greenshinobi :greenshinobi :greenshinobi ~~~~G===8
sorry, I just hadn't had a chance yet.
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about 16 more hours until i finally get to see this!
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Indy 4 had some terrible CG. My favorite was Leboof swinging on vines. I was tolerating the movie until that point, then I just started doing other things and left it on in the background.
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CGI ruined action. Cameron and Spielberg cut their teeth on filming real crazy shit. you have to know what you're doing for that to happen right. CGI gives the director too much leeway in creating a scene, so they get lazy. At least that is my take.
CGI ruined the latest Indy movie, so even someone as solid as Spielberg isn't immune to abusing it . The opening sequence with the obviously CGI prairie dogs should've been warning enough for anyone expecting a decent movie to leave the theater.
My wife made we rewatch that with her. :-\ She made a good point...the film is very small in scale. like the actual scale of everything was small in comparison to the other films. Good to have you back :-*
I don't know if that's what ultimately killed it, but it just caused the whole movie to fell really closed off and low-budget. Where are the establishing shots? Where are the real world locations? It's like Spielberg agreed to do the movie, but only if he didn't have to leave the studio lot.
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I'm the king of the world.
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Oh wow, totally forgot about Ferngully. Loved that movie. It hasn't aged well, though. I just listened to a few songs and they're quite bad now.
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True Lies has some awful dialogue. I think it's Cameron's most overrated flick.
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Cameron is a great visual storyteller, but he's a pretty mediocre to bad writer. I will agree with Cohen that he can write some memorable lines, but most of his dialogue is garbage. AV Club was correct with its assessment that his visuals and charismatic leads usually make up for his shortcomings as a writer.
He wrote Rambo: First Blood Part II, which is one of my favorite action flicks, but Sly gutted the hell out of his screenplay. When you read Cameron's original draft, it's easy to see why - the dialogue was really, really shitty. Cameron's Spider-Man treatment was pretty bad.
He is not a good writer.
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He uses catchy one-liners to mask the fact that he's not a very good writer. He's a good storyteller, but he's rarely the sole screenwriter on most of his films, and that's because he recognizes his limitations as a writer - unlike Lucas.
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Just came from the movie, it was fucking AWESOME! the effects where the best I have seen so far, the na'vi people felt so fucking real, their expressions and the animation was amazing, I can't fucking believe that some distinguished mentally-challenged fellows on gaf where comparing them with the fucking dr.who rejects of Distric 9 (I love that movie but the effects cannot be compare to the ones in Avatar).
The 3d effect was very well done, this was my first 3d movie but every trailer before the movie was in 3d and it was shit like a toy wagon rolling in front of you or the fucking Alice in gothland cat coming at you, in Avatar you forget that you are watching a 3d movie everything blends in perfectly and feels really natural.
The theather was packed, there were people sitting on the floor and shit, and everyone was cheering and clapping especially during the final fucking epic battle spoiler (click to show/hide)
when Neytiri came ryding the giant panther thing and before that when Jake came to the tree of souls with the giant motherfucking banshee
Can't wait to watch this again, I didn't like my date thought :( she was nice and all but I didn't find her attractive, her cousin on the other hand :drool but she went with the boyfriend :'(
Also I hold my urine in for the duration of the movie, when I went to the bathroom it was fucking epic.
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GS's posts are like a crack head telling you that crack is the best thing ever created.
Will check this movie out though, just dont know when yet.
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I just saw this :rofl
It is true though, Cameron :bow2
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I was gonna go see this tonight with a friend, but it was sold out. Unless my father-in-law wants to see it while we're visiting them for Christmas, I'll probably wait until it's on TV.
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What's with everyone slagging off Ferngully? It had Tone Loc as a rapping lizard!
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Guess who likes Avatar? The answer is racists (http://io9.com/5422666/)! :o
I reject James Cameron's hymn to White Power. :interracial
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Hey, I was the one who said I didn't know if I could handle a film that was better than Ferngully.
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I might be gushing a little because I'm still buzzing off this movie, but what Cameron did was amazing. It sounds stupid typing it .. but the fucker made magic on that screen. He made me care about CGI characters. Not that bullshit furry love story he tried to wedge in at the end, but the palpable tension and fear of the main character dying or being in peril at certain points in the movie. It had my pulse going and completely buying into what I was watching was like an intense action movie from the 80's or 90's.
To me that's amazing. When I watch CGI, its often from the perspective of an amused observer. Watching a street magician perform parlor tricks, but never really making you believe in the magic. But this crazy son of a bitch pulled it off.
Don't get me wrong, there are 6 "groan worthy" moments in this film. But they are just that .. moments. They don't take you out of the movie and they don't lessen the overall experience. Personally, I think this movie is going to be lame as a rental. Without the effect of 3D, I doubt the world (and the Na'vi) really feel alive at all. It really sells the experience.
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I guess we know the test of a truly great film - does it suck without 3D?
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I watched It Happened One Night tonight. It was 2D. Hell, it was black-and-white. :-\
I think I liked it. But ... is it still a good movie? I don't know! Avatar has changed all the rules!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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You might as well burn your DVD and Blu-ray collection.
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I just bought a second projector so I can properly enjoy Avatar on Blu-ray 3D in November 2010. Now I'm living in stereo!
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The Blu-ray Disc Association just announced finalized specs for Blu-ray 3D yesterday. The PlayStation 3 was even confirmed as a compatible hardware device for playback of the MVC codec. You have a Blu-ray 3D device in your home and you didn't even know it!
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They have really nice abs, though. Especially Hugo Weaving. No homo.
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Dinux and ToxicAdam know what's up.
And the Na'vi don't even have fur, so how can this movie be a furry-anything?
Hair doesn't matter. That one piano genius on GAF cybers while wearing a dragon suit and he's a self-confessed furry.
green man beat me.
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You sound like you know a lot about this GAF piano genius, nintenho.
Tell me moar...
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Eh, I don't think Spielberg is that great of an action director. That said, he's a great director.
What Spielberg has (and Cameron too) is the ability to tie action to the narrative in a way that makes what you're seeing on the screen carry some kind of emotional weight and further the story along. I think a lot of directors simply come from a microscopic school of thought, and go out to film the most elaborate, frantic action scenes possible, without once thinking about how those shots can further the story along. We're an MTV generation; we want YouTube clips, not slow, meticulous set pieces setup by long stretches of tension.
I mean, I know younger people that think the chase sequence in the first half of Terminator 2 is boring. That's right, boring.
Perfect example of this is The Matrix. The original is incredible, and the Wachowski's don't waste a single action sequence that doesn't connect to or move the story along. The subway duel is fantastic because it marks a significant turning point in Neo's character arc, combining both well-choreographed action and a compelling story. The sequels blow - hard - because all they are is a series of disconnected action sequences.
I find the primary factor behind of all this is just what Solo said, that a lot of younger directors cut their teeth with music videos and try to bring those sensibilities to feature-length productions. The other factor is the short attention span of mainstream audiences.
We might think long, character-focused action sequences built up with long stretches of tension to be awesome (and it is), but I don't think we (as in myself, Ichirou, Solo, etc.) represent the mainstream at large.
Well said, Feder! Agreed with everything you mentioning with the caveat of Spielberg. I DO think he constructs wonderfully action sequences when properly motivated (see Indy IV if you're looking for Spielberg on autopilot though - not a pretty scene).
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I guess we know the test of a truly great film - does it suck without 3D?
You know what, I honestly dont think it would suffer too much without it. After about 20 minutes or so I stopped noticing the 3D gimmicks and started getting more engaged with Pandora itself. Its the setting that is the real achievement here, not the technology and gimmicks.
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they will soon
:lol
I look forward to Solo's review after he rewatches this at home, after the high of watching it with an anxious opening night crowd wears off.
Like Paranormal Activity? :p
edit: after reading Manabyte's post...fuck, I guess my $300mil bet is gonna be off
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I agree with Solo. Very good post there, Willco.
That reminds me, there was this giant blockbuster a couple years back which did a terrible job of incorporating the action scenes into the movie as a whole, something with giant robots... :teehee
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Transformers did a terrible job incorporating anything into the movie as a whole.
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The art style and story felt like James Cameron played FFVII-FFX and decided he wanted to make a movie like that and hired all the jrpg artists and writers from Japan to make his film with him. The film felt kinda like an 80s stereotypical big action movie x 90s stereotypical jrpg.
and just like that, i am no longer interested in seeing this movie!
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That reminds me, there was this giant blockbuster a couple years back which did a terrible job of incorporating the action scenes into the movie as a whole, something with giant robots... :teehee
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You will never, ever live down your Bayformers apologism Federwang. It's like the Swiss holding Nazi gold during WWII... or more appropriately Maurice's review of Unforgiven, I guess.
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I fail to see how my opinion of Transformers, which is that it's a very mediocre movie buoyed by my own wanton desires to see robots fight other robots, is the equivalent of saying Unforgiven is awful. Again, you make it sound like I called Transformers the best film of the year (or the decade), but I didn't even call it the best popcorn flick I saw that summer!
I've never championed Transformers as a purveyor of fine cinema, and I've even remarked that most of Mandark's complaints are valid. If being an apologist means defending against the claim that it is "the worst film of all-time", then I am guilty as charged - because it's not the worst film of all-time. I've also defended against such hyperbole when directed at similar tent pole flicks, like Star Trek, which I didn't even really like.
And I would do the same for Avatar!
... but how can I expect compassion and reason from a man who wants to see James Cameron's attempt to dethrone Ferngully. As a wise man some guy said to me over AIM yesterday, see it in 3D... or not at all!
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And to honestly reply to Mandark's snarky post: not all action films are created equal.
The most memorable action films have their action beats interwoven into the story, and are memorable for their characters, not necessarily for their explosive yields. But it is possible to create action sequences with disposable characters that can be enjoyed due to personal preference (see: any Godzilla film, any Shaw Bros. film, etc.).
Those are almost guilty pleasures and are rarely rattled off in order when discussions of "greatest action films of all-time" come up online, however.
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Lastly, the scope of this film is unreal. Remember the moment when the Titanic went down? There are moments in this film that blow that away. I'd say without any reservations that this is the biggest film of all time.
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People are starting to compare Avatar to Watchmen.
Fanboys got all worked up over Watchmen, blew their load opening weekend, and the next week Race to Witch Mountain knocked it out of the top spot.
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Lastly, the scope of this film is unreal. Remember the moment when the Titanic went down? There are moments in this film that blow that away. I'd say without any reservations that this is the biggest film of all time.
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jesus christ, that's amazing
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But the point is we have all seen the film. A million times already. Since we were like 5.
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People are starting to compare Avatar to Watchmen.
Fanboys got all worked up over Watchmen, blew their load opening weekend, and the next week Race to Witch Mountain knocked it out of the top spot.
Watchmen was a pretentious piece of drivel masquerading as art though. Avatar isnt hiding what it is.
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8/10
I don't know if this is normal but my IMAX theater only displayed the film on about three quarters of the screen. It sat at the bottom of the screen and there was black spaced on the sides and top. I have no issue with black bars but could they have at least centered the fucking movie?
The 3D was ok. This is my first 3D movie and the concept didnt really blow me away. It was cool to see and it never got in the way, but I would have been perfectly fine seeing it in 2D. I would like to see what the differences between IMAX 3D and RealD are, tho.
I'm not gonna try to articulate all the good and bad about the movie because I'm terrible at it. Instead I'll just point out that Neytiri was sexy. Long athletic body :drool .
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also what the fuck?
(http://stylescenes.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/18/talent_with_imax_3d_glasses.jpg)
that is NOT what my IMAX 3D glasses looked like. Mine where shitty small yellow glasses. Lame sauce.
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Emma :-[ :-[ :-[
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I'll probably rent ferngully and grab avatar as my freebie for renting ferngully.
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AV Club comes with the real talk: (http://www.avclub.com/articles/avatar,36459/) C
Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.
"(...) a Captain EO for our time."
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It has begun :'(
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not gonna lie. she has an awesome bod. and she looked like zoe saldana kinda too which is a plus
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i KNEW the point of this movie was an attempt to make furries socially acceptable!
damn you james cameron.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18959970&postcount=4604 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18959970&postcount=4604)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960020&postcount=4608 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960020&postcount=4608)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960048&postcount=4610 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960048&postcount=4610)
:lol :-\ :lol :-\ :lol :yuck :yuck :yuck :lol :-\ :lol :-\ :lol
Are you fucking kidding me? This is up there with gamers that want to bang Lara Croft.
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Lastly, the scope of this film is unreal. Remember the moment when the Titanic went down? There are moments in this film that blow that away. I'd say without any reservations that this is the biggest film of all time.
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jesus christ, that's amazing
plz update :greenshinobi with this
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shrug. hot chick is a hot chick. digital or not
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really the only animal features are on the face. obscenely animal features is obviously going over the line. hooves, paws, actual fur, etc.
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He's a good storyteller, but he's rarely the sole screenwriter on most of his films, and that's because he recognizes his limitations as a writer - unlike Lucas.
Huh? Lucas has said in numerous interviews that he thinks he's a terrible writer.
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Could have fooled me!
(And anyone else who has worked with Lucas, who usually forces them to do what he wants.)
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18959970&postcount=4604 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18959970&postcount=4604)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960020&postcount=4608 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960020&postcount=4608)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960048&postcount=4610 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18960048&postcount=4610)
:lol :-\ :lol :-\ :lol :yuck :yuck :yuck :lol :-\ :lol :-\ :lol
Are you fucking kidding me? This is up there with gamers that want to bang Lara Croft.
No, this is way worse. At least Lara Croft is supposed to be a human.
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Lucas just doesn't care what comes out of the actors mouths though. He considers himself a "visual storyteller" (and he can often pull that off).
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really the only animal features are on the face. obscenely animal features is obviously going over the line. hooves, paws, actual fur, etc.
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IMO the movie sits at around 15-20%. i'm perfectly comfortable with that.
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The furry label doesn't apply because the Na'vi features aren't modeled after any kind of animal. Wanting to bang Neytiri doesn't make you a furry. It's pretty much the same as wanting to bang one of the Star Trek aliens.
It's like you're trolling for a spot in the newsfeed.
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GS's problem is that he keeps trying to rationalize the feelings he gets when he watched the movie. Straight up. the tall skinny blue alien in the movie was hot. I would bang her. Release your fear and admit it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPjTqx18ISU
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I think we can applaud James Cameron not only for his groundbreaking innovations in CGI and visual storytelling, but also for bringing a completely new direction to porn drift.
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This movie melted my balls off. Really enjoyed it.
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I love how fluid and coherent the action scenes are in this film. Such a relief after all the shaky-cam shit we've been getting these last few years. There are so many amazing shots during the final battle that I could just gush over for hours.
Cameron = King Richard
Michael Bay = Prince John
Oh I fucking know. I was having a total eyegasm.
In fact, the entire movie is crazy in terms of visuals. I haven't said,"Damn that's a nice shot." "Wow, look at that!" so much while watching a film all year.
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I'm gonna try to see it again next weekend with my dad at a normal digital 3D showing.
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Saw this earlier today, liked it a lot more than I thought I would. Story sucked but the visuals were the real reason to see the film anyway.
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We can only hope.
The film cost $380 million. It wasn't like it was going to make that back anyway. I have no idea what Fox was thinking with that budget. When your film is all spectacle, and everyone thinks the story and characters are disposable at best, you're not talking about anything with legs.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.
... Seriously, how do you greenlight a non-franchise (science fiction at that!) involving colorful furries for $380 million and expect it to come close to that total? Especially when the story is so mediocre?
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It'll make that back and then some. I'll make a perma-ban bet that Avatar does over $500 million worldwide.
Good lord man, stop inviting ridicule on yourself.
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You really don't think it'll hit 500 mill?
Oh dear. Somehow I knew you were gonna miss the point and post something like this.
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I have no doubt that it'll have legs.
and tails
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Transformers had a built-in fanbase and was a sequel to a massively popular film. You don't think that's a difference?
... Also, an independent investigation by the New York Times last month put the production and promotional costs of Avatar closer to $500 million. That's more likely accurate, because Hollywood likes to lie about its budgets.
Seriously, even if we use Fox's official numbers, and the costs associated with Avatar is close to $400 million, who fronts that kind of money for a non-franchise science fiction film? Even if it breaks $500 million worldwide, it's pretty much a wash (considering Fox does not see every penny, and even less so overseas).
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That is the dumbest logic ever. Romance is always bankable, but Titanic was lightning in a bottle. Science fiction, historically, is a tougher sell. I think Fox will eventually turn a profit, probably on home video and with ancillary revenues, but - man! - think of all the more affordable projects that could have been financed and how much more profit Fox could have seen as a result.
I just don't see how you could front that much money unless you felt you could make two to three times that amount.
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Alright, just got back from seeing on the amazingly spectacular Cinemark XD screen, which is like IMAX but not lame.
The Good
-3D looked great and didn't devolve into useless gimmicks with lots of pointing stuff towards the screen like some movies have done. Adds depth to a lot of scenes.
-CG is amazing and probably the best ever put into a movie. Seriously. It's consistent throughout and meshed really well with the live action stuff.
-Actions scenes are really well done, you can actually see what's going on!!
-Acting is solid, but not spectacular.
-Pandora is really well made and fleshed out. Corny, but at times it really does feel alive.
-Final battle is simply amazing. The movies is worth it almost for that alone.
-First hour is really good.
The Bad
-Middle drags a bit and is spotty with some cool scenes and some awkward/lame ones.
-A bit too much tree-huggery.
-Some of the dialogue is pretty bad.
-No real surprises.
-Humans should have won and turned Pandora into a massive strip mine.
As a gut reaction, I'd probably give it 10/10 based on how amped up I was at the end of the movie. Being honest with myself, I'd probably pull it down to an 8. Overall, it's better than Star Trek, better than Transformers, better than Terminator: Salvation, better than Watchmen, and better than the second half of the District 9.
But Moon still reigns supreme.
Moon :rock
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Uh, Cameron didn't invent any new technology. He requisitioned Sony to build a line of 3D cameras for Avatar that fit his needs, and Sony was paid for the creation of the cameras. It's not like Cameron or Fox can license out this technology, Sony is free to sell it to whomever they want, though.
And it wasn't like Cameron drew up schematics either. He got Vince Pace to ask Sony to just make some relatively simple tweaks to their designs.
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What kind of film would you make with 500 million. Wilco?
I figure I could make 10 really great films with that kind of cash. I wonder if his future films would be a lot cheaper to make.
I wouldn't make a single film for that kind of money. The feature I'm developing - the one I pray one day will be produced - has an estimated budget of $6 million. That's it.
I'm from the Corman school of thought; give me $500 million and I will make you a dozen profitable films.
These kinds of budgets are only handed out to established directors that have pulled in a lot of cash for the studios. The end result is that they become lazy. Instead of trying to come up with creative ways to stretch the budget, they pretty much go through production without worry. I'm a big believer of the theory that adversity and problem solving creates the best cinema.
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The only thing more distinguished mentally-challenged than trolling a movie you have never seen, is arguing with people that are trolling a movie they have never seen.
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Sales-talk? :yuck
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We can only hope.
The film cost $380 million. It wasn't like it was going to make that back anyway. I have no idea what Fox was thinking with that budget. When your film is all spectacle, and everyone thinks the story and characters are disposable at best, you're not talking about anything with legs.
Transformers?
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The only thing more distinguished mentally-challenged than trolling a movie you have never seen, is arguing with people that are trolling a movie they have never seen.
Spoken like a typical fanboy. :smug
... Maurice, Transformers didn't have much in the way of legs. It was very front loaded, but what it did have was summer positioning and a built-in fanbase. The original film's budget is like half of what Avatar's is, as well.
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Avatar's built in fan base is bigger though. Remember, director of
TERMINATOR
ALIENS
TERMINATOR 2
uhh
TITANIC
WITNESS HIS NEWEST EPIC
AVATAR
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I would say that directors do have built-in fanbases to some degree, but public memory is short. Furthermore, a stellar track record of popular films doesn't mean you can necessarily polish a turd. Spielberg has even had his duds. And he's fucking Spielberg.
Cameron has not directed a film in ten years. Remember, there are some teenagers braving the snow this weekend to see Avatar that don't remember when Titanic came out.
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Avatar's built in fan base is bigger though. Remember, director of
TERMINATOR
ALIENS
TERMINATOR 2
uhh
TITANIC
WITNESS HIS NEWEST EPIC
AVATAR
True Lies owned.
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My favorite part about the movie is
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the villain that kinda reminds me of Cpt. Ahab.
"Damn injuns done scratched mah face up sumthin' fierce and naw I gits to sawr it everay morn and I'm gun give em' what fer! Blow up HOMETREE!" *sips coffee*
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I don't see what Maurice or Willco are gaining from trolling this? Troll super mega fanboy movies. Until people are saying OMFG BEST SCI FI LOVE STORY FURRY MOVIE EVER?!?!?! there's very little reason to troll.
Trolling is at its best when you troll things that make people cry when you shit talk it.
Like Mario 64.
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Green Shinobi called it "the biggest movie of all-time" and jizzed all over the Internet. I don't know what you're talking about.
It also has gotten a free pass from critics, culminating in award nominations for BEST PICTURE, which is ludicrous.
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We're not trolling :lol
I'm not saying the CGI is horrible, or making ridiculous claims. I'm merely stating that the art direction is poor and generic, the story is nothing remotely fresh, there are no big stars in the film...and it has a price tag of some $400 million.
I may be proven wrong with my predictions about the box office, but that doesn't change the fact that this looks meh. People who have seen it are saying it looked amazing, and maybe that sells tickets during the second week. Dunno
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Avatar is so awesome. I'm gonna download that russian rip that is floating around in the web since I don't want to pay those ridiculus 3d prices.
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Next week Sherlock Holmes comes out, and although I think Avatar will still be number one, it will cut into its box office haul.
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lol theres a fuckin new moon pirated dvd in here, I keep telling people that my little brother is a flaming taco but no one believes me.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/business/media/09avatar.html?_r=2&src=twr&pagewanted=all
Taking no chances, Fox is backing up Mr. Cameron’s movie with what an executive recently called the studio’s “secret weapon.”
That would be “Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakuel,” set to open just a week after studio marketers get “Avatar” into theaters. It is the relatively safe sequel to a chipper family comedy that cost about $60 million and took in $217 million at the domestic box office when it was released two years ago.
Avatar's box office leaves Fox feeling blue; execs go "full furry" one week later with the Chipettes.
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Fox's entire slate of films to be comprised of talking animals next year.
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Full furry five thy profit lies
Of his future are fursuits made;
Those are dollars that were his eyes
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I think avatar is the only good film that fox has release this decade( searchlight doesn't count)
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That's not necessarily high praise. Fox has been regarded as the worst place to work creatively in the industry for quite sometime.
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But cameron and lucas can pretty much do whatever they fucking want with fox's money.
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Fox didn't really finance the Star Wars prequels, Lucas did. Fox just distributed them. They were in essence, independent films. So Fox really had no say on what Lucas could or could not do.
Fox isn't even the only investor on Avatar, but they are the majority partner. Cameron was pretty much given a blank check, but the studio owes him big time, so that's probably the only time that'll happen.
For most, it is a pretty crummy studio to work for when developing features.
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I wish they would give the x-men franchise back to marvel, there is so much fucking potential with those mutants and fox keep getting shitting writers to work on them, is depresing to us x-fans.
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To be fair to Bryan Singer, Fox pretty much gutted his treatments due to budgetary concerns and constantly meddled in the production. There were something like a billion writers working on X-Men, and direct studio interference with the sequels, so I can't really fault the writers. The best writers in the world won't make a difference if the studio refuses pony up the money necessary to realize some of the flashier elements of the source material, or if studio chairman Tom Rothman insists on dicking around with the talent.
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I find this reference to "weird comics" intriguing. Can you guys hook me up with some?
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Do you want some Alan Moore porn comics? or some Steve Ditko political bullshit?
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Full furry five thy profit lies
Of his future are fursuits made;
Those are dollars that were his eyes
I thought That's really well written, and then scoped the avatar. Welcome back, you glutton.
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(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2205/1z3nd46.jpg)
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:lol
Oh man, Dexter's facial expression exemplifies "I'm buying tickets to a furry movie" perfectly
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But that's harsh because the furry hater GOEZ TO JAIL!
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and dies.
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Emma :-[ :-[ :-[
cutest boy in that pic
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We can only hope.
The film cost $380 million. It wasn't like it was going to make that back anyway. I have no idea what Fox was thinking with that budget. When your film is all spectacle, and everyone thinks the story and characters are disposable at best, you're not talking about anything with legs.
Domestically? No, it wont make $380M. Worldwide? It will sail past that with ease. There is no way this doesnt make at least $700M worldwide.
I also think you're really underselling the legs. I havent spoken to a person who HAS ACTUALLY SEEN IT that doesnt plan to see it again. Never underestimate the power of spectacle to get asses in the seats more than once.
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I find this reference to "weird comics" intriguing. Can you guys hook me up with some?
google "fabulous furry freak brothers"
also http://www.johnnyr.com/
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This snow shit reminds me of the blackouts during the premiere of James Cameron's Aquaman on Entourage :lol
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Saw it last night. About halfway through the movie about two or three people in the rows behind me were snoring pretty loud.
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Who needs Ambien when you have Avatar?
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it's pretty gay of you to put Terminator and Avatar together in the number 2 spot like that. You know you'd never hang an avatar poster on your wall because the whole movie just looks so froofy. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think you've really thought about how peoples perception of you will change for liking Avatar this much. What would a women say? What would the guys at the bar think?
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Oh please let this turn into Manabyte vs. Green Shinobi for three pages.
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hmm. Both good points. I concede.
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The theater I went to was handing out posters (the face one, not the final poster). Didn't grab one though.
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fffffffffuck
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damn
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How am I annihiliated? I said I expected it to turn a profit in theaters.
If you can't see why making $700 million (maybe less) off of a production that folks put closer to $500 million in costs isn't that great, versus something like a $300 million film that grosses $800 million - you're probably Green Shinobi!
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How am I annihiliated? I said I expected it to turn a profit in theaters.
If you can't see why making $700 million (maybe less) off of a production that folks put closer to $500 million in costs isn't that great, versus something like a $300 million film that grosses $800 million - you're probably Green Shinobi!
Still, what you're talking about is a franchise that's already struck up deals with Mcdonalds, Toy manufacturers etc., will probably be spun off in to a television series...really there's a ton of bank to be made outside of ticket sales.
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:lol
:bow Avatar :bow2
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Fucking great news, movie is doing awesome here, the lines start like an hour before the movie begins for the 3d version which is something pretty rare here, the last movie I remember waiting in line for was fucking pokemon :lol
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Still, what you're talking about is a franchise that's already struck up deals with Mcdonalds, Toy manufacturers etc., will probably be spun off in to a television series...really there's a ton of bank to be made outside of ticket sales.
Ancillary profits are not really a big deal to executives or the industry. It's like the "bu bu bu on home video it will be huge!" bit. It doesn't matter. Studios don't greenlight films for ancillary profits and back catalog revenue. The only exception is when the various media and properties are all managed in-house, like when Disney or Warner Bros. leverages its properties over a variety of mediums.
I never said Fox won't pull a profit, and I think it will. I think grossing more than Transformers is pretty laughable, though. You can quote me on that. It's already launched in every major market except China.
... but it'd have to gross somewhere between $600 million to $700 million to break even with production and promotional costs. Again, I don't really see how that's a great investment (most studios won't). But, yeah, most studios invest in films to do a little more than break even in theaters and make money with residuals, Green Shinobi.
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You are the one who brought up home video and tie ins
That is the dumbest logic ever. Romance is always bankable, but Titanic was lightning in a bottle. Science fiction, historically, is a tougher sell. I think Fox will eventually turn a profit, probably on home video and with ancillary revenues, but - man! - think of all the more affordable projects that could have been financed and how much more profit Fox could have seen as a result.
I just don't see how you could front that much money unless you felt you could make two to three times that amount.
But now you knew it'd turn a profit in the!ters
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Because I think that's where it will make a profit. I still don't think it's a shoe-in to turn a profit in theaters! It'd have to gross over $700 million worldwide to do so. And to be fair, I did say probably. I'm kind of unsure where the market will go with this.
... but let's not kid ourselves and think that Fox executives are ecstatic to be making money from home video and ancillary, they're not. The landscape is littered with films that have healthy residual revenue and tie-in merchandise that are pretty much considered failures by those that greenlit them.
Godzilla comes to mind.
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I said I expected it to turn a profit in theaters.
I still don't think it'll make a profit in theaters!
:dizzy
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Let me reiterate my position, because I'm obviously putting my foot in my mouth. I do not feel it's likely to turn a profit in theaters, but I do feel it will turn a profit for Fox. I am just not that confident that it'll do more than $600 million, which I consider the break even point for Avatar.
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Got this from Rob Liefeld twitter: http://www.mcdonalds.ie/MMMMenu/Avatarize-Yourself.aspx?mid=32349772.3
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You know, I do like to bring up the "Just think how many movies like Moon or District 9 could have been made for the price of one TF2!!", but the truth is that a major studio is NOT going to spend that money making a bunch of movies like Moon or District 9. That money was always going to go to make some bloated, big budget epic. Always.
At least with Avatar, we got some of the most amazing CG and 3D effects ever put onto film couple with a scope and scale that are among the largest ever put onto film. And if Fox goes bust, then the money was clearly well spent.
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I don't think Fox will go bust. And I was incorrect in even assuming Fox is the majority investor (although Fox is on the line for $230 million in production costs and $150 in promotional costs); two other production companies make up 60% of costs related to Avatar.
A little more digging uncovers that Cameron will also be able to recoup some of the production costs by licensing some of the software created for Avatar out to other filmmakers (so, Shinobi, you score a point).
[Editor's Note: That said, this junk that he created 3D cameras and invented new technology in his garage is pretty much marketing garbage.]
There is money to be made, but it doesn't seem like that much considering the ridiculous amount invested into the production. I just don't get that. I'm not saying Fox should greenlight a bunch of small, indie movies, but it would have been more economical to spend a third of the amount on a property with a built-in fanbase. And I'm not talking about from an entertainment perspective, I'm just talking shop here.
Also, I'm not a fan of mega-budget films in general. Raimi got sloppier the more money he was allowed to burn, and it took a relatively low-budget film to get him out of his slump. Peter Jackson turned in a mediocre, bloated film after Lord of the Rings (which stretched its budget to a ridiculous extent) garnered him a blank check from Universal.
Imagine if Cameron had to compromise, and find out what matters to the story and what is just spectacle garbage.
I would honestly expect nothing less from Cameron than a competent production and cutting-edge technology. Its financial success doesn't even bother me, simply because it will legitimatize 3D films as a mainstream option for filmmakers. The critical and fan worship is gag-inducing, though.
In before Patel and/or Cohen say it sucks.
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Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.
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Nice! Love to see that its doing amazingly well.
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Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.
Willco is a typical gaf member. He rather reads reviews than watch a movie. He's a cheerleader, not a player. He's a jew.
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There's a difference between being entertained and worship. I thought Solo and Great Rumbler were pretty reasonable with their responses on why they like the movie, see anything Green Shinobi writes for what is gag-inducing.
I also expect critics to know better. Don't tell me that Avatar is a shallow, spectacle-driven enterprise of pure 3D magick and give it your highest score (or award nominations, no less). There's nothing wrong with recommending a film on spectacle alone, but then there is a line you cross when you give it a pass just for eye candy. You almost legitimize it as a great film, which is something even I haven't even done with various pop films that I have enjoyed (Zombieland, Paranormal Activity, etc.) due to the venue or their style.
... And I have no desire to see a film that is by all accounts, even from its most enthusiastic supporters, a retread of various cliches and features a disposable story. I'm not a big enough fan of the art style or Cameron to deal with that.
Willco is a typical gaf member. He rather reads reviews than watch a movie. He's a cheerleader, not a player. He's a jew.
This doesn't even make any sense!
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I went with 5 people to see it last night and even those who didn't really care for it all that much admitted that it was well worth seeing [at $15].
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I don't get that. They didn't care for it, but admitted it's worth spending $15 to see? Doesn't that mean, more likely, that they did like it?
I'm at a point in my life that I simply do not pay money to see something that I have no interest in seeing. If the concept of colorful, Crayola-inspired worlds filled with furries and rehashed mech designs got me excited, I probably would.
But it doesn't.
The fact that the story is dispensable by most people's standards, even its fans, and is largely a retread of about fifty other films I have already seen, pretty much seals the deal. I've seen many digital 3D films, so I don't really need a tech demo.
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Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.
Qft. Willco is the worst poster ever. Demi should cap the length of his posts.
And frequency for that matter. He has like 30% of the posts in this topic.
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Dude, don't be hurt. You can still whack off to Navies or whatever the fuck they're called.
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Willco you're the most active member in a thread for a movie you don't give a shit about. You keep grinding your sandy vagina on the same points. Stfu and stop trolling your own forum.
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... I'm the most active poster in a topic on the forum I created about the biggest mainstream film release - of which I have acquaintances that worked on said film - of the winter and that surprises you? :lol
Maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive, but what can we expect from Avatar fans. :-\
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The Braveheart style speech was one of the best scenes in the movie, people where fucking cheering and clapping with the na'vis.
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... I'm the most active poster in a topic on the forum I created about the biggest mainstream film release - of which I have acquaintances that worked on said film - of the winter and that surprises you? :lol
Maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive, but what can we expect from Avatar fans. :-\
No, you're the most active member in a thread about a movie you don't give a shit about and won't see.
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I never said I didn't care about the production. I even believe I stipulated the reasons why I do. That doesn't mean I want to see it or have any desire to. People can talk about entertainment they haven't seen, especially when it is industry relevant.
... Not to mention, outside of just trolling Glen Shinobi, nobody has criticized Cameron's flick for being anything other than what its fans even say it is - a 3D spectacle with one-dimensional characters.
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Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.
Qft. Willco is the worst poster ever. Demi should cap the length of his posts.
And frequency for that matter. He has like 30% of the posts in this topic.
He will probably reset his post count again
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What.
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The Braveheart style speech was one of the best scenes in the movie, people where fucking cheering and clapping with the na'vis.
The only thing gayer than that speech is the people that cheer and clap in theaters
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Last time Cameron made a movie, I talked unrelenting smack about it without having seen it. It had a lot of fans who were emotionally invested in the film and sometimes took this personally. They were all pretty vehement about me having to watch the thing.
Having rented it on video later, I think I was vindicated.
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What.
:rofl
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What.
Wow man it's like you were never in this thread. Problem solved! Thank you for bringing this up with the administration, AdmiralViscen
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:smug
... Anyone that is so worked up about the fact that I have not seen the film is free to PayPal me the cost of a ticket and a large coke, and I'll go see Avatar in all three dimensions.
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Who am I kidding, I will spend it on DLC.
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There's a difference between being entertained and worship. I thought Solo and Great Rumbler were pretty reasonable with their responses on why they like the movie, see anything Green Shinobi writes for what is gag-inducing.
I also expect critics to know better. Don't tell me that Avatar is a shallow, spectacle-driven enterprise of pure 3D magick and give it your highest score (or award nominations, no less). There's nothing wrong with recommending a film on spectacle alone, but then there is a line you cross when you give it a pass just for eye candy. You almost legitimize it as a great film, which is something even I haven't even done with various pop films that I have enjoyed (Zombieland, Paranormal Activity, etc.) due to the venue or their style.
... And I have no desire to see a film that is by all accounts, even from its most enthusiastic supporters, a retread of various cliches and features a disposable story. I'm not a big enough fan of the art style or Cameron to deal with that.
Willco is a typical gaf member. He rather reads reviews than watch a movie. He's a cheerleader, not a player. He's a jew.
This doesn't even make any sense!
Rofl. Yea I wonder what he means. Lol
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Yes, because I quite often come under fire for not seeing films, and uh Jews don't see films? Wait, what?
Tieno is just hurt because he is invested in the three-dimensional emotional plight of the furry cat creatures, but it's okay, I won't forsake him. Once everyone takes the fanboy glasses off - literally - I will be there to embrace them once they realize it's not a very good film after they catch it on cable a year from now.
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Willco just doesn't like being called a jew.
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You have cut me deep with your accurate description of my religious background, Tieno. This must be how my Catholic friends feel when I call them Christians. :'(
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He's dropping a hard J.
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:lol
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I think you're being a cockbag and i liked the movie less than everyone I know. It'd be nice if a viewpoint other than your own (over and over)could be seen in this thread.Gaffer.
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To be fair, you've always thought I was a cockbag. It's not like this is a new development or anything.
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The gaffer remark hurt, bro. :'(
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How do u do greater than and less than symbols on android? I wanna compare you to duckman and amirox
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Best James Cameron movie of the decade.
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Wilco is just hating on Hollywood because he can't get Candyland greenlit.
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I will shed a tear for Willco when he inevitably sees this on TV interlaced on like a 20 inch set with stereo sound.
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:bow cohen
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Wilco is just hating on Hollywood because he can't get Candyland greenlit.
Candy Land will make 3D look like 2D.
I will shed a tear for Willco when he inevitably sees this on TV interlaced on like a 20 inch set with stereo sound.
Too bad I'm getting a Blu-ray 3D setup for free. :smug
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http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/avatar.html
Humans have come for one thing.... Unobtainium, a metal that was at one point... unobtainable
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Well one thing about it is that it is the best 3D I've ever seen and I've seen a ton of IMAX 3D and digital 3D movies. Most 3D has a weird shimmering effect, the Shrek 3D trailer before Avatar showed it. But Avatar is completely clear in 3D. I sat dead center in the theater and had non of the blurriness that some people complain about. The 3D was perfect, but you've seen this same story told a million times before.
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I think at this point we can talk about where this ranks in the Cameron library. For me, it's:
1) Aliens
2) Terminator 2/Avatar tied
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I wanted to avoid this thread until I had seen the movie, so I went this afternoon. What a fucking joke. I had no idea that this was going to be a kids movie. The characters were sooooooo simplified to their traditional archetypes/tropes and every plot point was predictable from a mile away
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-"watch out for this huge flying monster. He's really big and scary, but my grandfather was able to fly it and its only happened four times and whenever the monster picks a rider all of the tribes are united, etc." :eyeroll
-Same goes for the body transfer via spirit tree
-Not even going to get into the end fight with the villain :-\ , suffice it to say its a three part bossfight ala Nintendo
It was a good movie for kids, as everything was laid out in front of the viewer with no subtlety whatsoever, I just wish that they were selling it as such. It was not a good film when compared to its contemporaries (i.e. The Last Samurai, Dancing with Wolves, etc.) and it was obvious that Cameron was trying to make a film appealing to the masses.
http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/avatar.html
Humans have come for one thing.... Unobtainium, a metal that was at one point... unobtainable
I couldn't believe my ears. I had to ask my wife after the movie if they really called the mineral they were mining for "Unobtainium" :rofl
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when people where talking about the Unobtainium stuff I totally didn't get what the problem was. then i saw the movie and realized i was mispronouncing it in my head the entire time.
I literally said. "Oh..... ohhhhh... :-\"
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The only way you can enjoy the story and characters and be emotionally attached is if you've never seen Lawrence of Arabia, Dances With Wolves, The Last Samurai, or Ferngully.
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I dont get why simple = bad in so many people's minds. Another thing that is starting to grate is the incessant unoriginality criticisms. This movie is getting dragged through the mud for being Pocahontas/Dances with Wolves/Last Samurai in space, and while thats true, why are the other 100 derivative blockbusters released yearly given a free pass?
Pirates of the Caribbean 2 is nothing more than a bloated, inferior Empire Strikes Back, but no one is bringing that up.
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Well one thing about it is that it is the best 3D I've ever seen and I've seen a ton of IMAX 3D and digital 3D movies. Most 3D has a weird shimmering effect, the Shrek 3D trailer before Avatar showed it. But Avatar is completely clear in 3D. I sat dead center in the theater and had non of the blurriness that some people complain about. The 3D was perfect, but you've seen this same story told a million times before.
I guess I'm in the minority when I say that I still think it's distracting and gimmicky
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Pirates of the Carribean 2 was much better than Avatar. The characters and their motives were actually interesting
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"I see you" haha
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it doesn't mean see like "see", it means that you are looking into the spirit of someone :hurr
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The characters and their motives were actually interesting
Did you see a different cut than me?
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Let's look at what the critics are saying, Glen! Keep in mind, these are the positive reviews:
For all the grandeur and technical virtuosity of the mythical 3-D universe Cameron labored for years to perfect, his characters are one-dimensional, rarely saying anything unexpected. But for much of the movie, that hardly matters.
Along with the eye-popping visuals in writer-director James Cameron's sci-fi epic, there's also a lot of eye-rollingly silly stuff.
Perhaps the most surprising thing about Cameron's visual accomplishments is that they are so powerful we're barely troubled by the same weakness for flat dialogue and obvious characterization that put such a dent in "Titanic."
In terms of plot, then, this is “Dances With Wolves.’’ Seriously: It’s the same movie, re-imagined as a speculative-anthropological freak-out. Because Cameron is a visionary and a perfectionist, though, it’s possible to get lost in his created world, and this is where “Avatar’’ thoroughly lives up to its hype.
A movie whose effects are clearly revolutionary, a spectacle that millions will find adventure in. But it nevertheless feels unsatisfying and somehow lacks the pulse of a truly alive film.
As visual spectacle, Avatar is indelible, but as a movie it all but evaporates as you watch it.
If only Cameron, who also wrote the script, had spent as much time on the story as he did the effects he uses to tell it.
There is Avatar as an unconditionally innovative achievement providing the latest and greatest in 3-D photography and computer-generated imagery: the new. And there is Avatar as an clumsy and cliché-filled drama: the old. The new Avatar gets an A; the old Avatar gets an F (earning its C average).
The most-hyped movie of the year just about merits it. Avatar isn't a perfect film — and a few clichés short of a great one — but at its best, it'll fry your brain.
Is the dialogue corny? You bet. Does the movie go kerblooey in its final moments, during a ferocious, explosive firefight that will leave your eyeballs bleeding? Uh-huh. But Cameron has delivered what he promised with "Avatar": an ambitious, fully immersive cinematic experience.
Sounds like Best Picture to me! ::)
This movie is getting dragged through the mud for being Pocahontas/Dances with Wolves/Last Samurai in space, and while thats true, why are the other 100 derivative blockbusters released yearly given a free pass?
They don't. The amount of hyperbole heaped on this film is ridiculous, as evident by the positive reviews listed above! It's amazing!*
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* minus the characters and dialogue.
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Sounds like the reviewers are saying "its a James Cameron movie"
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Sounds like the reviewers are saying "its a James Cameron movie"
I was unaware his other genre films were nominated for serious awards, or lauded as the best picture of the year? Outside of Titanic, has he ever received this kind of love? Really?
C'mon, we know each other! Searching your feelings, Solo...
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Cherry-picked quotes.
I'm done arguing about a film with a guy who hasn't seen it.
I pulled these quotes from the positive Rotten Tomatoes reviews, most of them from the front page! :lol
... If I wanted to cherry pick, wouldn't I have pulled from the NEGATIVE reviews?
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Again, I must have missed the Best Picture nominations for Terminator 2 and Aliens. O WAIT.
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Sounds like the reviewers are saying "its a James Cameron movie"
I was unaware his other genre films were nominated for serious awards, or lauded as the best picture of the year? Outside of Titanic, has he ever received this kind of love? Really?
C'mon, we know each other! Searching your feelings, Solo...
Its post-dated love he was due years ago :elephant
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The characters and their motives were actually interesting
Did you see a different cut than me?
So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?
I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.
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I pulled these quotes from the positive Rotten Tomatoes reviews, most of them from the front page! :lol
... If I wanted to cherry pick, wouldn't I have pulled from the NEGATIVE reviews?
You still don't much context for what's being said about the movie.
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I apologize, Terminator 2 was nominated for Best Picture...
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... for an MTV Movie Award.
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The characters and their motives were actually interesting
Did you see a different cut than me?
So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?
I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.
We're arguing different things. Im saying that the characters arent interesting, and youre saying the movie was unpredictable. I dont disagree - even the writers didnt know what was going on.
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I'm not fan or reading reviews' text of movies, but is it unusual for critics to unanimously point out any shortcomings in a generally well received movie?
There was bound to be flaws, ones that more than a critic would notice, but still doesn't affect the final judgment since they're being outweighed by the positives.
I don't think any film is perfect, but I would say when the film is consistently cited for its poor screenplay, that is a pretty significant flaw - especially when you're talking about the film in context of BEST PICTURE OF THE YEAR.
Or is this just a reaction for the Golden Globes' nominations (the award show you previously dismissed)?
I probably wouldn't care about the Globes nominations if I wasn't so sure they were likely to translate into Oscar nominations. Although, that is probably for the best - we might as well throw away any legitimacy they might have had.
And by the way, even Terminator 2 and Aliens, which were very well reviewed, never made it on any significant all-time lists (other than the AFI list for Top 10 science-fiction films) or serious awards consideration. Because critics were able to separate what constitutes as good pop entertainment or good science-fiction from classic cinema. Internet geeks cannot. It's sad that those sensibilities are transferring over to the press.
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The characters and their motives were actually interesting
Did you see a different cut than me?
So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?
I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.
We're arguing different things. Im saying that the characters arent interesting, and youre saying the movie was unpredictable. I dont disagree - even the writers didnt know what was going on.
Sounds like LOST :teehee
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The characters and their motives were actually interesting
Did you see a different cut than me?
So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?
I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.
We're arguing different things. Im saying that the characters arent interesting, and youre saying the movie was unpredictable. I dont disagree - even the writers didnt know what was going on.
Sounds like LOST :teehee
I also dont disagree with this :lol Im the most vocal "they arent planning any of this shit out" fan you'll find
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Solo gets bashed as a hater on that other site. I still love him, though. :-*
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I just speak my mind. Whether that gets me hate, love or indifference is inconsequential
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Yeah, if you remove Shinobi's fanaticism, this thread really is a homoerotic lovefest - personal opinions aside.
Because I know at the end of the day, Solo and I can truly appreciate fine art.*
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*Daniel Craig Bond movies.
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Trying to pacify me by feigning QoS love? I know your tricks!
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QoS love?
:yuck
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Yeah, if you remove Shinobi's fanaticism, this thread really is a homoerotic lovefest - personal opinions aside.
Because I know at the end of the day, Solo and I can truly appreciate fine art.*
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*Daniel Craig Bond movies.
Seriously.
When I read Shinobi's replies to your posts in this thread, I imagine him punching the wall, stomping his feet then cursing your name in Korean before he violently punches the keyboard's keys. :greenshinobi
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I wonder what methods Shinobi would take to commit suicide. Play WoW in a internet cafe for 48 hours without getting up?
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Trying to pacify me by feigning QoS love? I know your tricks!
Hey, I came around, did I not? I think I even told you that after I saw it again in theaters.
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:lol
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I dont think you ever did tell me you came around on it, Willco. Good for you. Its inferior to CR, but as its own beast, I rather like it.
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It's better than all the Pierce Brosnan films save for Goldeneye.
I wonder what methods Shinobi would take to commit suicide. Play WoW in a internet cafe for 48 hours without getting up?
Willco becoming a big Hollywood producer.
My first decree will be to remake Avatar, but this time with a script that's actually good. :smug
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It's better than all the Pierce Brosnan films save for Goldeneye.
Good man!
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including Goldeneye too :P
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Willco continue this so we can see GS go insane :lol
GS's point of view:
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To be fair, I'm sure he is masturbating to Avatar porn by now.
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To be fair, I'm sure he is masturbating to Avatar porn by now.
would only be worth watching if it matched the movies CG quality. shitty fanart wont suffice :(
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Pirates of the Caribbean 2 is nothing more than a bloated, inferior Empire Strikes Back, but no one is bringing that up.
Hey, when Pirates 2 came out I went ON RECORD as declaring it "the death of narrative cinema." Quote endquote. And I think the years since have backed me up.
EDIT: Also, I really like Quantum of Solace. Uh. More than Casino Royale. That may be more than even Solo's looking for.
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Who the hell said Pirates 2 was any good? :lol
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EDIT: Also, I really like Quantum of Solace. Uh. More than Casino Royale. That may be more than even Solo's looking for.
why is this guy an icon again?
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EDIT: Also, I really like Quantum of Solace. Uh. More than Casino Royale. That may be more than even Solo's looking for.
why is this guy an icon again?
I'm the icons' weed hookup
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i remember being entertained by PotC 2 when I saw it, but i couldn't tell you a single thing that happened in it now if my life depended on it (except that there's a dude with a squid for a head in it), and i never even bothered to watch the third one
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I don't even remember the subtitle to the second Pirates movie. Seriously, I don't.
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Dead Mans Locket
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Squid Man's Compass
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:Better Than Avatar
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The only bad thing about QoS was bond not fucking the "bond girl" wtf where they thinking? and Goldeneye is a fucking joke.
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I dug that. I like how this new Bond is capable of getting intel without contracting chlamydia.
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In goldeneye's defense Onatop was pretty hot, dat accent :drool
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Famke Janssen, one of the all-time Hollywood babes.
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Yeah, Famke is oh my god. I think shes a giant too. (checked out IMDB, shes 6')
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I saw her in 100 Feet earlier this year, and she's still hot. Has that cougar vibe now.
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You know, GS, I don't think you're taking it personally enough.
When people talk smack about Avatar, they're really talking smack about you. When Willco says it shouldn't be nominated for an Oscar, he's saying you don't deserve recognition from your peers. My God, man, Jinfash has just about e-dumped you!
You've got to wake up and realize the stakes here, and stop being so mellow about it.
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There's no benefit at all to watching this in 3D.
Visually, this scenes can be really nice at times but this is in no way the most visually impressive film I've seen. The CGI in the last couple Zemeckis films for example looked way better than the CGI in Avatar. The visuals just don't gel together, especially in the scenes with the Navi, the CGI just feel overdone. Like really gimmicky and wasted since there's usually never anything going on in the scenes with the Navi (other than horrible dialogue). The most impressive set pieces honestly end up being the scenes with humans next to them since it actually feels more epic and real.
The story has it's ups and downs but the writing was impressive if this was a made-for-TV Disney movie. It's just extremely cheesy, cliched, and predictable. At any point in this movie, you'll know what happens for the next thirty minutes and while there are some funny moments and some memorable one-liners, it is largely fucking shit story-wise. Like the first time that you see Neytiri, she has a hippy-goddess bs moment that will make you laugh out loud. Also, the scene where they're dry-humping actually made me and a lot of other people in the theater start giggling and actually made a few people walk out.
Eventually, it just handles the primitive environmentally-minded cultural bullshit really, really badly and that's the whole message of the movie so it makes you wonder how the fuck James Cameron spent ten years and hundreds of millions of dollars on this. You'll cringe every time that they explain the Navi culture and that's a good 40% of the fucking movie. It's one very bad hour too long.
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The CGI in the last couple Zemeckis films for example looked way better than the CGI in Avatar. :greenshinobi
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It's the most technically impressive CGI but not the best-looking. Lemme clarify with the Zemeckis example, his movie's CGI takes liberties with physics of the human body and shows saturated colors and every scene looks like it's getting CGI for something that just can't be done with real human beings. In that case, the CGI actually makes it easier on the eyes and it lets you know that. In Avatar, it just looks like uncanny valley when you see the Navi's facial expressions over the cheesy dialogue. The majority of the time that they use CGI, you don't care. It's not the focus. Like I said, it feels gimmicky and wasted but the action scenes where there's real things like human actors mixed in actually look really good because all that's going through your mind is how the visuals gel together.
Btw, some of you guys must be absolutely amazing at predicting plots. There has never been a moment during any film, ever, where I knew exactly what was going to happen for the next 30 minutes.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
When Jake goes meets the Navi leaders for the first time, you know that he'll eventually take some rights of passage (that dragon-taming scene). When Jake goes back to try to be diplomatic after busting the bulldozer camera, you know that the Navi will be overrun. When Jake gets the tribes banded together, you know that they'll win.
There's no twists in the story. There's nothing unpredictable. There's nothing original. My friend said that it feels like the movie smacks you in the face with subtlety.
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Sounds like this could have been great if he'd taken as many chances with the story as he did with the visuals. Oh well, still fairly excited to check it out when it opens here (2 days!).
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I see. So guessing some of the major plot points that the trailer pretty much shows you, using really broad definitions of said plot points and not getting specific at all, counts as being able to predict the entire movie.
If I watch Groundhog Day, I can guess from the beginning that Bill Murray is going to have a change of character and stop being an asshole, he's going to fall in love with Andie MacDowell, they're going to end up together, and he's eventually going to come out of the time warp.
I guess I do have your power after all.
What does that have to do with anything at all? I'm not complaining about being able to predict that the good guys will win or that there'll be a typical epic battle sequence at the end. I'm saying that you can figure out the cause and effect of every major plot point thirty minutes beforehand because this is a very formulaic movie that has a super stereotypical message. It doesn't do any clever plot twists or surprising deaths.
The writing just doesn't do anything really creative or satisfying and so it feels like all the exposition and cultural background that was written is just irrelevant and doesn't accomplish anything. TEN FUCKING YEARS dude.
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So basically after the "Ten Years in the Oven" garbage he decided to play it safe?
if its gets the job done its cool i guess, but i could see why people would be disappointed :lol
i really need to watch this soon.
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I really just don't understand this kind of opinion.
So you can guess at some of the major plot points before they happen. You know that there will be a rite of passage of some kind, since just about every tribal culture has one, after all. Great. What you don't know is what that rite of passage will be. And that part of the film is absolutely amazing when you get to it. Maybe you saw it coming, but who cares? It's such a beautiful sequence. Not everything has to be surprising.
The creativity is in all the little details and the way they come together, not in the overarching plot points. If you want to be surprised by every development, this is not your movie. You pretty much know what's going to happen just from watching the trailer. The fun is in the journey the film takes you on as the story unfolds. Sure, on a basic level, you might have seen similar plot developments in other films, but all of those ideas are given new life by the details that shape the world of the film.
I can't help but feel that you really missed the point of the whole thing.
The dragons were cool, but the build up to that scene was forgettable which is a bad thing considering how important it was. The movie basically has no subtlety in delivering it's message, therefore there's no point where the viewer has to think and everything about the symbolism and metaphors just becomes forgettable. That's why the movie feels too long and too uncreative. Because of shitty writing.
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The CGI in the last couple Zemeckis films for example looked way better than the CGI in Avatar.
This is the worst attempted troll ever :lol
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You know, saying this movie is a rip-off of Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves/Ferngully is pretty unfair.
I mean, what is A Man Called Horse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_Called_Horse_%281970_film%29)? Chopped liver?
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I'm not trolling, I just clarified that I have a subjective opinion on CGI in that it has to actually try to be something fake before it interests me.
GS, what is so interesting about this movie to you exactly? The movie has A LOT of exposition and Cameron obviously had a fascination with the message and the symbolism. He did fuck all to deliver on that. Not being able to make your audience care about the story in a movie about symbolism and metaphors is being a shitty writer. The only creativity of any kind in this movie is in the visual design and that was all done by concept artists and modelers. And like I said, most of the CGI focuses on making realistic looking things on a massive scale. At the end of the day, it delivers visual orgasms between hours of flaccid hippy masturbation.
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okay so nothing about the concept or the execution of the script is interesting to you, right? It's just the visual stuff that you like? I can totally agree with that.
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I don't know who could really have expected anything else from the story/script, given Cameron's track record. William Goldman, he's not. I seriously doubt i'd read past pg. 10 of the script for Terminator or Aliens, for example. I still like the films for other reasons, and am prepared to give Avatar a shot.
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Furthermore, my philosophy regarding these kinds of films is to just forget the metaphor.
I greatly enjoy these movies by actively dispelling their worse aspects, in my mind. So in a sense, any movie could be Movie of the Year! :greenshinobi
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Seeing this a second time tonight :tauntaun
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I have been, mang! I havent gone on as long or as much as you, but Ive spoken up many times in here defending the movie. Its not that I find people's criticisms untrue, but rather that they are unfair - there is a ridiculous double standard being held against this movie compared to the other 50 popcorn flicks released every year.
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Disclaimer up front: I haven't seen the movie, so I could be wrong on some points. But from what I've heard, Avatar is a movie where:
1) A white man
2) from a technologically advanced civilization
3) who doesn't think much of the less advanced "savages"
4) winds up spending time among them. Although
5) they are suspicious and/or contemptuous of him at first
6) he gradually grows respect for their culture
7) and in turn wins their respect by assimilating their language and customs,
8) even falling in love with a member of the tribe, whom he sexes up. However
9) the militant society to which he belongs is threatening to invade his new tribe and
10) his loyalty is now either divided or entirely shifted.
It doesn't matter whether its meant as an allegory for specific events or not. The point is that by embracing all these cliches, Avatar fits snugly into the Honkey Gone Native rubric.
That means if you've seen any of the movies people keep comparing it to, you'll know from before the opening credits what the narrative arc is going to be. Plus, because Cameron chose this particular archetype, it brings the social baggage of those other movies for anyone who's inclined to notice that stuff (or to drop phrases like "cultural appropriation").
If Cameron had made a movie about an ageing insectoid alien who had lived his life as a burglar and was planning one final audacious theft of a shipment of Highpricium before he retired underwent metamorphosis and entered the final phase of his life, everyone would immediately recognize the story, and know what to expect. I'd actually prefer that one, because heist movies usually don't have pretensions of being social commentary.
Plenty of very good films follow the conventions of a genre, but nothing from the reviews suggests that Avatar has anything in the way of writing or acting to rise above predictability, or that the new technology adds anything other than very realistic images of an alien world. That's an impressive achievement, and they have Oscars specifically for that kind of stuff. You know, the ones where the time limit on acceptance speeches is strictly enforced.
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There is hating, then there is trolling, and then there is sheer lunacy. His Bay comments were the latter.
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That's good to know. ::)
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Go see the movie and then we can talk, Mandark.
See, here I was being all nice and here you go trying to high hat me.
I coulda said something like "anyone willing to pay $50 for a GAF account shouldn't be trusted to wipe himself after pooping, much less practice film criticism," but I didn't. And what thanks do I get? For shame, GS, for shame.
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Go see the movie and then we can talk, Mandark.
See, here I was being all nice and here you go trying to high hat me.
I coulda said something like "anyone willing to pay $50 for a GAF account shouldn't be trusted to wipe himself after pooping, much less practice film criticism," but I didn't. And what thanks do I get? For shame, GS, for shame.
ouch
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man, this thread is awesome.
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The Dark Knight should have been nominated, it was a much better movie than Slumdog Millionarie.
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Go see the movie and then we can talk, Mandark.
See, here I was being all nice and here you go trying to high hat me.
I coulda said something like "anyone willing to pay $50 for a GAF account shouldn't be trusted to wipe himself after pooping, much less practice film criticism," but I didn't. And what thanks do I get? For shame, GS, for shame.
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By the way, at least Ebert - who gushed (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091211/REVIEWS/912119998) about Avatar like a little girl (spellcheck could barely keep up!) - was smart enough not to put it in his Top 10 of 2009 (http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/12/the_best_films_of_2009.html).
(Although he did award it a Special Jury Prize, whatever that is.)
I really can't fathom what world someone lives in where they genuinely believe Avatar merits an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. It's not like there are 99 other films with better aggregated scores on Rotten Tomatoes (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_year.php?year=2009). Oh wait!
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Anyway, Solo, forgetting completely about Best Picture, what do you think of Cameron getting a Best Director nod for this? I think he absolutely deserves to be nominated.
He'll get a nomination. He may even win. It will be either him, his ex wife, or the foot fetishist.
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Cameron deserves the best director oscar this year, I hate that they always give it to the director of movie winning bp that year.
The last battle gave me a fucking epic hard on, I think he deserves that award more than some guy that filmed monique screaming to a black girl or whatever, the other one that I think deserves it is Cameron's ex wife.
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Willco, you have not seen this film, so your opinion is absolutely worthless.
But all these critics (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_year.php?year=2009) have. :smug
(p.s. so has Ebert)
:greenshinobi :smug
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By the way, at least Ebert - who gushed about Avatar like a little girl (spellcheck could barely keep up!) - was smart enough not to put it in his Top 10 of 2009.
He put Knowing in his Top 10 though. :-\
There's no benefit at all to watching this in 3D.
I don't agree with this at all. The 3D is part of the immersion and it's done better than in any other 3D movie out there.
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By the way, at least Ebert - who gushed about Avatar like a little girl (spellcheck could barely keep up!) - was smart enough not to put it in his Top 10 of 2009.
He put Knowing in his Top 10 though. :-\
wtf? isn't that that shitty looking nic cage movie? :lol
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He put Knowing in his Top 10 though. :-\
Man, Avatar must really suck then!
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We're not talking about my opinion, we're talking about Pulitzer Prize-winning Roger Ebert. I know it's difficult, but please try to keep up Green Shinobi. For Cameron's sake.
EDIT: I like your edit. :lol
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The Oscar is for Best Picture, it is awarded to the best picture, not the most fun I had at the movie theaters.
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He put Knowing in his Top 10 though. :-\
Man, Avatar must really suck then!
His love for Knowing is really inexplicable. It's got a couple of really amazing scenes, but that's really all there is to it.
The good things about Avatar are at least present throughout nearly the entire movie.
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EDIT: I like your edit. :lol
Mystery solved :-\
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If fun were the only aspect that the cinematic experience encompasses, you'd have a point, but there are many other things that go into it, like emotional gravity, how much the film makes you think, etc.
Yeah, those really seem to be Avatar's strong points. :lol
Considering the emotional gravity of being schlepped to eternal damnation, and how much the film made me think about the repercussions of declining loans to old gypsy ladies, Drag Me to Hell is a lock for a Best Picture nomination!*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
* At the 2009 Annual Glen Shinobi Questionable Film Choice™ Awards ... sponsored by Tampax®
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hosted by :greenshinobi
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Maybe the best part about the Avatar experience was when during a preview before the movie, Liam Neeson, apparently playing some sort of ancient and powerful god, yelled, "Unleash the Kraken!"
Someone in the theater then said, "That's what she said."
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Actually, all you needed to say was this:
I like Muse. :greenshinobi
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Id LOVE to see Cameron try and be even more arrogant than he was with Titanic if Avatar won an Oscar :lol
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:greenshinobi and Best Picture goes too...
:drake Uncharted 2.
:greenshinobi But isn't that a video game?
:drake It was but it had the best cinematic experience, transcending its medium
:greenshinobi Oh my
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Only a complete idiot would use someone's music taste to try to discredit him in a thread about a movie.
I apologize. You're right.
... I should have posted this:
I think Peter Jackson's King Kong is one of the best films of all-time! :greenshinobi
That kind of person would be almost as big an idiot as a guy who spends hours arguing about a film he hasn't even seen.
... What does that say about the person who argues with that guy? :smug
EDIT: BlueTsunami :rofl
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I'm just joking with you GS! I'm like the George Costanza of the Internets, everyone has to like me :'( Accept my apologyyyyy!
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This thread only needs a Jinfash shop to become a classic.
:bow James Cameron :bow2
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If fun were the only aspect that the cinematic experience encompasses, you'd have a point, but there are many other things that go into it, like emotional gravity, how much the film makes you think, etc.
You really are a fucking dumbass, Federman.
but really, how much did you care about characters that are walking one-dimensional caricatures. They have all the nuances and imperfections of video-game heroes/villains. There is not a single character you can get emotionally invested in. I also think it's a bit cynical and churlish of Cameron to make his hero a paraplegic war veteran. He doesn't need to have depth or personality, he's a cripple.
It's a good movie if you like long, pondering parables that attempt to keep your attention by sweeping away depth, subtlety and story under a facade of pyrotechnic effects, jungle landscapes and giant, lumbering apes and twelve-foot blue aliens.
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Will Leitch, he of DEADSPIN fame, joins the Avatar bandwagon:
http://leitch.tumblr.com/post/293515120/avatar-1-it-doesnt-take-long-for-you-to-realize
5. Scott Tobias, the excellent film critic for The Onion A/V Club, says once the breakthrough technology of this film becomes commonplace, Avatar will seem like “a Captain EO for our time.” I see his point — take away the special effects, and this is an empty shell of a film — but I am far from certain future filmmakers will use Cameron’s technique with the precision and meticulousness that he does. The comparisons with Star Wars, I suspect, are apt. (It makes one feel a little old that parents are comparing their children’s reactions to this film with theirs with Star Wars.) Avatar doesn’t have the icons of Lucas’ film, and it’s certainly less epic and eternal in nature. But it showed me something I have never seen before. It reminded me of what movies can do, of what they’re capable of, of what the experience of sitting down for three hours in a dark room can really mean. I’ll never forget the first time I saw it. Time will never change that. I might look back at Avatar in 20 years and, as the technology evolves, see through a lot of its tricks. That doesn’t mean, however, that I won’t always remember what it meant to see it for the first time, to see what the future might hold, to feel like, no matter how many movies you see, you can always be amazed, you can always go back to that first experience, again, and ever. My jaw is still on the floor.
LOOK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MISS OUT ON, WILLCO
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It truly is a Captain EO for our time.
... and good show, InfectedGib. :lol
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I didn't think the film was that good, but it was still worth a watch. You should see it Will
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Why are you trying to be a writer, Willco? Why not go into producing? As much as I hate to say it, you'd make a great suit. You value profit over imagination, you're closed-minded, you have a pretty archaic way of looking at things - you could probably become top brass at a number of studios.
Only a complete idiot would use someone's music taste to try to discredit him in a thread about a movie. That kind of person would be almost as big an idiot as a guy who spends hours arguing about a film he hasn't even seen.
From page 2 of this very thread:
How the fuck can anyone call one of the most action-packed films of all time boring?
Worse yet, how can a film snob like Willco hate on a movie that had some of the best directing of this decade?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This is, after all, the same forum that hates Muse with a passion.
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I didn't think the film was that good, but it was still worth a watch. You should see it Will
I probably will eventually, on Blu-ray or cable. I'm not paying money to see it, though.
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I didn't think the film was that good, but it was still worth a watch. You should see it Will
I probably will eventually, on Blu-ray or cable. I'm not paying money to see it, though.
::)
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Willco will gush over Avatar after the Bluray comes out.
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I didn't think the film was that good, but it was still worth a watch. You should see it Will
I probably will eventually, on Blu-ray or cable. I'm not paying money to see it, though.
::)
How dare people rent movies they don't want to pay money to see in theaters! They're nothing but common thieves!
Willco will gush over Avatar after the Bluray comes out.
Unlikely. I will probably rave about its technical achievements, because I would expect no less from Cameron, but that won't excuse shoddy storytelling.
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going to see it again next Saturday in RealD this time.
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Green Shinobi needs to chill, he's just making the sharks in the water more excited.
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I think you've missed TaunTaun's point.
Which is that I should pay money to see something I have no desire to see? ???
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I think you've missed TaunTaun's point.
This.
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That by watching it as part of a monthly-fee service, you're implicitly paying for it, I guess.
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By the way, the estimates were $4M too low. The actuals are at $77.3M, making it the highest grossing December opener ever, as well as the highest grossing opening weekend worldwide for a non-franchise, non-sequel movie. It also only dropped 3%. Sorry Feder, but its going to have great legs.
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We will see, Solo. That's kind of a tough call to make, y'know, this first weekend.
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We will see, Solo. That's kind of a tough call to make, y'know, this first weekend.
If the movie had made $50M opening night, then tailed off to $30M and $25M after that, like so many blockbusters, Id agree. But sure, we'll wait. When it takes the top spot over Holmes next weekend, it will be clear.
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Fox execs are already saying that it could make almost as much in its seconds weekend as its first. I'm pretty skeptical about that, but if the snowstorm really kept that many people at home and the Christmas holiday brings even more people out, it could happen.
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Willco have you seen it yet?
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Fox execs are already saying that it could make almost as much in its seconds weekend as its first. I'm pretty skeptical about that, but if the snowstorm really kept that many people at home and the Christmas holiday brings even more people out, it could happen.
That will never happen in a million years. However, a 30% drop wouldnt surprise me.
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I will most likely be part of the second weekend, along with some friends.
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I will most likely be part of the second weekend, along with some friends.
Good man! Pre-6 months ago, I would tell you that you'd hate it. But then you loved Speed Racer, so now I can't gauge one way or the other :lol
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Willco have you seen it yet?
He still hasn't but it continues to make this thread hilarious.
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If the movie had made $50M opening night, then tailed off to $30M and $25M after that, like so many blockbusters, Id agree. But sure, we'll wait. When it takes the top spot over Holmes next weekend, it will be clear.
I already said like four pages back that I would be shocked if it didn't stay number one next weekend. I'm not doubt it'll make some bank, the question was will it be enough to truly justify such a ridiculously expensive production.
... Cajole loved Speed Racer because that movie is legitimately good, and he has something we at The Bore like to call "taste".
EDIT: Maurice, as evident by the fact that I have said I do not wish to see Avatar, have no desire to see Avatar and certainly will not financially support Avatar... I have not seen Avatar.
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Like I said before, Willco will gush over it after he sees in on Bluray. And then lament that he passed up the chance to see it in 3D in theaters.
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Avatar > Speed Racer.
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Willco have you seen it yet?
He still hasn't but it continues to make this thread hilarious.
He must have dropped at least 50 hours on this thread alone, he can't say it sucks
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Like I said before, Willco will gush over it after he sees in on Bluray. And then lament that he passed up the chance to see it in 3D in theaters.
Why will Feder support Michael Bay and not Cameron?
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Like I said before, Willco will gush over it after he sees in on Bluray. And then lament that he passed up the chance to see it in 3D in theaters.
Why will Feder support Michael Bay and not Cameron?
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To be fair, I would have seen Transformers even if Uwe Boll directed it. When I had no desire to see the material, such as Armageddon or Pearl Harbor, I did not pay money to see those films in theaters.
... And like I said, I'll have access to a Blu-ray 3D home theater setup, so I'll be able to see Avatar in all its splendor.
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jinfash you're something else
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... And like I said, I'll have access to a Blu-ray 3D home theater setup, so I'll be able to see Avatar in all its splendor.
By then, it'll be too late to give an objective or favorable opinion. I mean...
Willco is going to be eating a lot of crow come February.
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These people will shred you.
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give Jin his own Icon forum
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He already was Double Icon'd!
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:bow Jinfash for triple icon :bow2
ban everyone else
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:drake You must obtain the unobtainium from the planets natives
:greenshinobi How will I do this if I cannot walk?
:drake Sit in this device
:greenshinobi Ok...
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:rofl Hot damn blue.
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... And like I said, I'll have access to a Blu-ray 3D home theater setup, so I'll be able to see Avatar in all its splendor.
By then, it'll be too late to give an objective or favorable opinion. I mean...
Willco is going to be eating a lot of crow come February.
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These people will shred you.
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:drake You must obtain the unobtainium from the planets natives
:greenshinobi How will I do this if I cannot walk?
:drake Sit in this device
:greenshinobi Ok...
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I just introduced your emoticon to GAF, Jin :lol
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:lol :lol :lol
I know what I'm going to be seeing in my nightmares, but it's totally worth it.
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can we sacrifice an existing icon to Jinfash? :lol
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Jinfash for Super-Icon!
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Jinfash is made of pure Iconium
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Jinfash is made of pure Iconium
Isn't that the open source version?
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I love this thread :rofl
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I have only see a telesynch online, same with doctor Parnassus but a friend of mine claims that she is downloading a dvd rip of that one.
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As far as concepts go, I think the whole idea of the avatars themselves is interesting, even if some really obscure comic had done it earlier. I really liked the way the avatar body gave Jake freedom that his paralyzed human body was no longer capable of giving him. The scene where he runs for the first time in his Na'vi body carried a lot of emotional weight, in my opinion. I liked how the Na'vi world became the real world to him and the human world and his mission became like a dream - I think in that aspect there's a much stronger parallel to 12 Monkeys than there is to Dances With Wolves or The Last Samurai or Man on a Horse. Jake never fights against the natives and gets captured; he moves back and forth between the two worlds freely. I liked the idea of a world having a biologically-based neural network. I liked how the Na'vi really are one with their environment in a way that hasn't been done before in any film I've seen. In fact, the whole idea of taking a spiritual system like what you might find in other fantasy works, but making it completely biologically-based was quite interesting to me.
Execution wise, I really liked the connection between Jake and Neytiri. That was just done perfectly. I LOVED the flight sequences. They were actually really emotional for me. I loved the sense of wonder that the world evoked. I loved the pacing of the film except for about twenty minutes just before the final battle starts to kick off. I liked Quarritch. He was just an awesome villain, even if he was in some ways a typical military badass. I just think he was the best military badass antagonist since General Woundwort. The whole military vs. science thing has been done before, but not in the same way. I loved the cinematography. The action scenes were absolutely fantastic.
Getting into spoiler territory:
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I liked how Neytiri saved Jake at the end. I felt a great deal of emotional resonance in that scene, particularly when she jumped into the lab and put the mask over his face and said "Jake! My Jake!" I feel like adding the following to my list of criteria for a perfect woman: "Must be able to crouch defensively over my comatose body and hiss threateningly at my enemies." I loved the scale of Home Tree and the sense of awful loss when the missiles took it down. It was such a symbol of the Na'vi culture, and to watch it fall was like watching something incredibly beautiful die.
I liked the significance of the "I see you" line at the end when Neytiri is seeing Jake's human form for the first time. The context of the story and characters by that point in the film transformed the line into something far deeper, in a similar manner to how the line "There's no place like home" was transformed at the end of The Wizard of Oz. It's the same line of dialogue you've heard before, but it just carries so much more weight by that point and has transcended any possible cliche.
That's not it at all. I just don't think you should judge any work of art by the metaphors you're reading into it, because they are entirely dependent on your own subjective viewpoint. Unless Jimminy Cricket is jumping out and giving you the moral of the story, or unless the story is clearly an allegory, then this kind of metaphor is always in the eye of the beholder.
okay that's just a really shallow way of looking at a movie GS. It has no subtlety and the dialogue is all crap but hey, it has some cool flying scenes and a hissing bitch.
As far as achieving anything impressive writing-wise, it fails. There's no reason for anybody to care about the parts where they explain the Navi culture and Jake's gradual but predictable change of heart. This movie just doesn't take any chances or do anything at all original. Why would anybody care about the social commentary in this movie?
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Some of the science in Avatar.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43440
First, a little background: I’m a professor of astrophysics who has
searched for planets, worked on SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence) programs, and taught classes on life in the universe.
Right now, I’m helping to build a global network of telescopes to
search for planets and supernovae.
That is a long-winded way of saying that it is part of my job
description to think about the possibility of life on other worlds.
So when James Cameron makes one of the most expensive movies ever
made, and one that puts us right in the middle of an alien culture… in
3D.... well to say I’m interested doesn’t begin to cover it.
Since the movie has already been reviewed to death, I’m going to focus
on something that hasn’t been covered yet – the science. But while
this is interesting exercise, for me it is story first, and science
second. I’d put it like this:
Copernicus’ Law of Science Fiction: Bending the laws of
physics out of service to the story is fine, doing it out of ignorance
is unconscionable.
I don’t mind if the ships in Star Trek can go faster than the speed of
light – otherwise the story would be pretty boring. And I know
there’s no sound in space, but I want Star Destroyers to
rumble, and the Millennium Falcon to have that iconic whine. But if a
director casually gets science wrong for no real reason other than
that he is stupid or lazy (see ARMAGEDDON, THE CORE, and THE DAY AFTER
TOMORROW, to name a few), then to hell with him. If the filmmakers
don’t respect the intelligence of the audience, I’m not going to
respect the movie.
Fortunately, James Cameron has a knack for science that rivals his
moviemaking skills.
THE SCIENCE OF AVATAR
Historically, movie directors have had their asses kicked by
astronomers as far as taking us to exotic worlds. For the most part,
movie planets look like an extreme form of Earth -- they almost always
have an oxygen atmosphere at an Earthlike pressure and gravity. Movie
planets don’t even come close to matching the diversity of worlds in
our solar system: the surface of Io is a mottled, sulfurous
orange-yellow, constantly being repaved by volcanoes shooting hundreds
of miles into the sky. Titan has a thick smog atmosphere that blots
out the sun and rains hydrocarbons. Mars has planet-wide dust storms
and a 17-mile-high volcano that nearly reaches above the atmosphere.
Venus has a crushing, choking sulfur dioxide atmosphere with a
pressure 92 times that of earth, and a temperature that can melt lead.
Enceladus shoots ice geysers into space. And the real Pandora orbits
within the rings of Saturn. These are only a few of the hundreds of
planets, minor planets, and moons in our solar system: we’ve
discovered hundreds elsewhere in the galaxy, some of which seem even
crazier: super-Earths, nearly boiling puffed-up Jupiters, and objects
that may be free-floating rogue planets without a star.
So I can’t think of a better use for 3d and a few hundred million
dollars of effects than filmmakers starting to raise the bar to
finally approach the awesome reality of nature. Due to the limits of
budgets, finances, and creativity, I can’t think of another film that
has attempted something near the scale of what Cameron has done here.
I’ll address the different aspects of the science in sections.
FLORA AND FAUNA
From a visual perspective, Avatar’s Pandora is breathtaking. While
most movies have only hinted at the exotic nature of their worlds with
an establishing matte painting or two, here Cameron takes us on an
elaborate three-dimensional tour though various habitats, from the
treetops to the forest floor. He’s created a whole ecosystem, from
semi-intelligent trees to giant land and air creatures. Most seem
inter-related via symbiotic relationships. In fact, Cameron has taken
the Gaia hypothesis, that the biosphere of the Earth is itself a kind
of living entity, and sexed it up – the biosphere of Pandora is
essentially a god, and it’s networked! Creatures can plug into each
other via what amounts to USB hair and fiber optic roots. While some
of these ideas are not without their faults (see below), Cameron gets
points for creativity – this is true science fiction, not space opera.
I do have one minor complaint, that given their networking abilities,
the Na’vi should not be so technologically inferior to the humans. On
Earth, the largest barrier to technological progression was that
information that existed in the brains of primitive humans could not
be easily shared or preserved. As soon as writing was developed,
suddenly it was possible to store information outside of the brain,
and record and build upon knowledge. The knowledge available to a
human or tribe went from one brain’s worth (and a minimal amount of
oral tradition), to thousands, and ultimately billions of brains’
worth. The result was a technological and social explosion. Hominids
have had technology like spears for about half a million years, but
only 7,000 years after the development of writing we had left the
planet. And the sharing of knowledge is still undergoing a revolution
with the development of the internet. Now we have instantaneous
access to the combined knowledge of the entire history of humanity.
Since the Na’vi have had the ability to download information and share
it in a massive network for long periods of time (evolutionary
timescales), they should be way ahead of us in terms of technological
development. Still, I have to give Cameron a pass here. It is
thematically necessary that the Na’vi are technologically primitive,
and their root-network is necessary to the plot. Maybe you could say
that they could have evolved more technology, but they don’t need it
or want it. Still, that reeks of the “Noble savage” idea, and I have
to agree with Stephen Pinker that that is a bunch of hoo-ha.
But my major complaint from an evolutionary standpoint is that there
is no way in hell that life on Pandora would evolve to look so similar
to Earth life: there are humanoids, space horseys, hammerhead
rhinoceri, and pseudo-pterodactyl beasties. And to make it worse,
they have DNA, and the DNA is close enough to our own that Na’vi and
human DNA can be combined! Again, I have to give Cameron a pass.
First, it is easier for the audience to relate to familiar things.
And more than that there is a significant plot point that I won’t
spoil towards the end of the film that hinges on humans and Na’vi
having similar DNA.
One way out of both my evolutionary nitpicks is the panspermia
hypothesis -- that life in the galaxy was seeded in multiple places by
an advanced civilization. But even then the odds against evolution
producing such similar animals on different planets is astronomical.
Since we have a clear record of evolution on Earth, some civilization
would have had to keep taking specimens from earth, first
pterodactyls, and ultimately humans (after they evolved), and then
would have had to deliver them to Pandora, possibly modified via
genetic engineering. That would be an interesting sequel: humans and
Na’vi come together to confront their godlike humanoid ancestors!
Grade on astrobiology: A for the scale of the ecosystem, C for being
too much like Earth – call it a B overall.
WORLD AND STAR SYSTEM
Pandora is a moon of Polyphemus, a fictional gas giant orbiting Alpha
Centauri A. I’ve always wanted to know what the view would be from
the moon of a gas giant. Can you imagine a quarter of the sky being
taken up by a massive cloud-covered planet visible night or day? We
get to see it in Avatar, and since Jupiter is the king of the gods,
maybe majestic is an appropriate word to describe it. I wonder if
Cameron’s choice to set this on the moon of a gas giant wasn’t a slap
in the face to Lucas, as if to say “this is RETURN OF THE JEDI done
right.” (I know it is ambiguous in the Star Wars universe whether or
not Endor orbits a gas giant.)
But what had me really geeking out is the choice of the star system.
Alpha Centauri A is perfect. First, as the closest star system to the
sun (4.37 light years), it may well be the first star we travel to.
Second, it is familiar in that you can see it with the naked eye if
you live in the southern hemisphere – it is the brightest star in
Centaurus. Actually, what appears to be a single star can be resolved
as a binary system if you use a telescope. It is Alpha Centauri A, a
bit more massive than the sun (1.1 solar masses), and Alpha Centauri
B, a bit less massive than the sun (0.9 solar masses). The choice of
G-type stars near the mass of the sun is great – they last for
billions of years – plenty of time for life to evolve. They are in an
elliptical orbit around a common center of mass, which means they come
together and drift apart over the course of one 80 year orbit. The
two stars get as close as 11 astronomical units (an AU is the average
Earth-Sun distance; 11 AU is about the distance to Saturn), and get as
far apart as 36 AU (about the distance to Pluto).
Would you see the companion star (Alpha Cen B) in the sky from
Pandora? That depends on where it is in its orbit. At the farthest
distance it would be a few hundred times the brightness of the full
Moon as seen from Earth. But your eyes are logarithmic detectors, so
it would actually only seem a few times brighter than we perceive the
Moon. At its closest approach, Alpha Cen B would be a few thousand
times as bright as we see our Moon. This is not all that bright – in
comparison, on Earth the Sun is about half a million times brighter
than the Moon. So on Pandora, if Alpha Cen B is up in the daytime
then you might not even notice it, depending on how far away it is in
the sky from Alpha Cen A. But if it is up at night (as it would be
for half the year), it would never get completely dark – the sky would
just be kind of dark blue.
Technically, there is a third star in the system, Proxima Centauri,
but it is a tiny red dwarf a huge distance, about 12,000 AU, away – it
is not even clear it is bound to the system. At any rate, it would
not be prominent in the sky as seen from Pandora. Incidentally, my
first job as a graduate student was to help calibrate the fine
guidance sensors on the Hubble Space Telescope to help my advisor look
for planets around Proxima Centauri. Sadly, we didn’t find any.
It is an interesting question as to whether planets around either
Alpha Cen A or B could exist in stable orbits that would last for
billions of years. You might think they couldn’t because the gravity
of the other star would perturb any forming planet.
However, simulations show that at least at Earth-like distances,
stable planets can form in that system.
Grade for astronomy: for the choice of star system, setting in on a
moon, and around a gas giant, Cameron gets an A+.
THE STAR’S EFFECT ON LIFE
Electromagnetic radiation comes in many forms, gamma rays, x-rays,
ultraviolet, visual, infrared, and radio. Our eyes evolved to see in
the narrow range that the sun has its peak output -- the visual band
-- and the flora and fauna of Earth evolved pigments and colors that
work at these wavelengths. But this isn’t universal -- some animals
can see a narrower region of the spectrum than us, and others see
farther into the ultraviolet or infrared. Our cornea blocks most UV
light, but bees, for example, don’t have one and can see farther into
the UV. They can see patterns in flowers that we can’t.
In fact, colors are really something manufactured in our brain –
physically colors are just different wavelengths of light ranging
uniformly from short wavelengths (violet) to long (red). What we see
as blue or green or red helps us differentiate sky from grass from
blood, but to a creature from another world, all these things might
appear as the same color. In fact, you could imagine that bats might
use echolocation to “see” rough surfaces as one color and smooth
surfaces as another. So since colors are something created by our
brains and not intrinsic to the universe (only wavelengths of light
are), it is virtually certain Pandorans would see color differently
than we do.
Alpha Cen A has almost the same temperature as the Sun, but it is just
a bit hotter. As a result, the star puts out most of its light at
visual wavelengths just like the Sun. But the star’s output is only
part of the story – the oxygen and ozone in our atmosphere block much
of the ultraviolet light from the Sun, and water vapor blocks some of
the infrared light. Pandora doesn’t have an oxygen atmosphere (if the
movie mentioned what gasses it contains, I didn’t catch it), so we
might expect more of the ultraviolet light to reach the surface. The
creatures there might be able to see farther into the ultraviolet.
There might be all kinds of patterns that the inhabitants of Pandora
can see that just look blue to us. Maybe that’s which there are so
many blue colors in the film. To take this a step farther, I would
have loved to see a scene where a character sees beautiful colors or
patterns as an Avatar, only to have this beauty evaporate into a
uniform sea of blue when he sees the same vista with human eyes.
Another feature of Pandora adding to the ubiquitous shades of blue is
that bioluminescence seems to be a staple of the ecosystem. As
Massawyrm points out, this makes sense for a world that may spend days at a time
shrouded in darkness. Remember that a day occurs when Pandora rotates
on its axis. But it might take a month or so to orbit its gas giant,
which we know looms large in the sky, and could blot out the sun for
days.
Grade for the astrophysics: For the fact that this world doesn’t have
an oxygen atmosphere, and the plausible use of color, A.
PHYSICS
Since Pandora is a moon and is presumably smaller than the Earth, the
gravity would be lower. This is alluded to in the film, and creatures
do grow larger and survive falls from greater heights than you could
on Earth. I wonder if Cameron dialed in a different gravity to the
physics engine rendering everything. To my eye, for at least the
human scenes, the gravity looked just like Earth gravity, but then
again if the gravity is close the differences can be subtle.
Virtually all science fiction movies feature planets with gravity at
1g, since, of course, until now, filming has always been done on
Earth. Since here so much of the world was created inside the
computer, I would have liked to see this aspect pushed a bit farther.
In one of my biggest pet peeves regarding the science of Avatar, there
is one scene where the gas giant, Polyphemus, can clearly be seen to
be rotating in the span of about a second or two. Let’s say it
rotates about a degree out of 360 degrees in those 2 seconds. That
means it makes one rotation in 720 seconds, or 12 minutes! Jupiter
takes about 10 hours to rotate. So the gas giant in Avatar rotates
about 50 times faster than Jupiter. Winds on Jupiter can exceed 100
meters per second, so the winds on Polyphemus would have to exceed
5000 m/s – this is supersonic and clearly implausible. Here’s one
case where Cameron opted for visual effect over realism, but to me the
bargain isn’t worth it. It looks unrealistic and takes me right out
of the movie. But I do like the look of the clouds on Polyphemus –
they look like a cross between Neptune and Jupiter. The highlight is
a giant storm resembling Jupiter’s Great Red Spot. That is
particularly appropriate for Polyphemus, named after a mythological
cyclops.
But my biggest beef in Cameron’s trading physics for visuals is those
goddamn floating mountains. Seriously, floating mountains? How the
hell do they stay up there? This is such an egregious flouting of the
laws of physics that surely there is some reasoning behind it.
Between the fact that Pandora seems to be sort-of at 1g, the
impossible rotation of Polyphemus, and the floating mountains, physics
is one one area AVATAR gets a marginal fail on Copernicus’ Law of
Science Fiction. But on all the other aspects of science, Cameron
gets either a pass or passes with flying colors.
The dream of interstellar travel will only become a reality far beyond
our lifetimes. But I love the fact that today I can be deeply
immersed in not just a plausible, but a compelling alien world just by
putting on a pair of 3D glasses and visiting my local theater. Even
if I have to drive 100 miles to see it in IMAX, that is nothing
compared to interstellar distances! And I love that there is a
filmmaker that plays more than lip service to the science in his
films, stimulating discussion and thought about distant worlds among
geeks everywhere. I was inspired to do astronomy after seeing STAR
WARS as a kid. I’m willing to bet that a fair fraction of tomorrow’s
astronomers will have decided to devote their life to the discovery of
new worlds because of AVATAR.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43440
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fucking tieno
homovonio x 2
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I guess I just look at movies in a much more shallow way than you do, am nintenho. :D
I know that and I can understand why, but you're still wrong.
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There's nothing particularly engaging about what was written in the script. You have to separate what Cameron did in the last ten years from what all the technical and artistically minded people did and you realize he was just sitting there massaging his balls to some bullshit social messages that don't really mean much. Cameron himself made the worst parts of this movie.
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L.A. Times/Envelope/Notes on a Season columnist Pete Hammond is flatly declaring that Avatar is now the front-runner for the Best Picture Oscar. Because it's "big" and grand and dazzling and selling tickets big-time, and because there was a effusive response from the mostly older membership when Avatar screened at the Academy theatre last Sunday night.
50-plus and retirement-age types were thought to be a hindrance to Avatar's chances of nabbing the big prize with their reputed tendency to under-value CG-driven spectacles, but Hammond is apparently persuaded that the gray geezer contingent is ready and willing to support James Cameron's fantasy epic.
Also factoring, says Hammond, are last weekend's $77 million opening (even with the northeastern blizzard slowing things down on Saturday), a $235-million-plus worldwide gross, an A rating from Cinemascore rating and an A+ from males younger than 25, not to mention major Golden Globe and Critics Choice Movie Award nominations, etc.
Green Shinobi's Evilbore Avatar Oscar Campaign is vindicated by, of all people, Pete Hammond and Jeffrey Wells.
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the academy awards aren't hard to dismiss.
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I wouldn't dismiss them, but this pretty much takes away any credibility they have, although some will say that started once awards were given Crash and Gladiator.
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Okay. Two last questions for you before I leave for work. Think about them for awhile before answering.
1) If I say that I find certain characters to have depth and you say you don't, and if I find certain scenes to be emotionally engaging while you don't, am I seeing things that are not there, or are you missing things that are there?
2) How would you know?
Trawl through the internet dude, almost all the reviews state that the characters are one-dimensional. There's enough people out there echoing these sentiments that it carries weight.
e.g. telegraph's review states the movie "Is a triumph of effects over affect."
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Despite mounting losses and crumbling support, Willco continues the brave and noble fight against moviegoers and critics.
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the academy awards aren't hard to dismiss.
fwiw, Cameron's the reason I stopped caring who they gave statues to.
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I wouldn't dismiss them, but this pretty much takes away any credibility they have, although some will say that started once awards were given Crash and Gladiator.
Slumdog
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I wouldn't dismiss them, but this pretty much takes away any credibility they have
read this sentence again Willco :lol
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Despite mounting losses and crumbling support, Willco continues the brave and noble fight against moviegoers and critics.
The critics actually agree with me, I don't know what Internet you've been surfing. The only difference between its supporters (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32687.msg995351#msg995351) and myself is that a Best Picture nomination should not be handed out on spectacle alone. If your screenplay is clumsy and the story is a retread of genre cliches, then really, really good visuals should not merit serious awards consideration.
... I meant what I said, Chipopo. I won't ever entirely dismiss the Oscars, because the are awarded by industry peers, but the Academy will kill its credibility as a legitimate film society by awarding Best Picture to Avatar. Just as I don't dismiss the MTV Movie Awards, but I don't consider them necessarily serious awards either.
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Holy shit @ GS taking up the flag after a half page of hilarity
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Despite mounting losses and crumbling support, Willco continues the brave and noble fight against moviegoers and critics.
The critics actually agree with me, I don't know what Internet you've been surfing. The only difference between its supporters (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32687.msg995351#msg995351) and myself is that a Best Picture nomination should not be handed out on spectacle alone. If your screenplay is clumsy and the story is a retread of genre cliches, then really, really good visuals should not merit serious awards consideration.
... I meant what I said, Chipopo. I won't ever entirely dismiss the Oscars, because the are awarded by industry peers, but the Academy will kill its credibility as a legitimate film society by awarding Best Picture to Avatar. Just as I don't dismiss the MTV Movie Awards, but I don't consider them necessarily serious awards either.
Well, that and the fact that they've actually SEEN the movie and you haven't :rofl
Come on Willco, we've all got blue (and furry!) balls here, just go see the fucking movie so you can troll it properly!
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I don't think you can say I've blown its weaknesses out of proportion when those quotes are pretty cut and dry. And I repeat, those are the glowingly positive reviews.
Come on Willco, we've all got blue (and furry!) balls here, just go see the fucking movie so you can troll it properly!
Again, why would I pay to see a movie I have no desire to see, even when its critical supporters say it's a beautiful spectacle, but not a very good movie? Pass. I would rather pay to see a legitimately good movie, like Up in the Air.
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http://www.boxofficeguru.com/weekend.htm
Still, Avatar was a giant at the box office and its figure would have been even higher had it not been for the blizzard. Fox reported that theaters in heavily-populated markets like New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington D.C. reported huge Friday-to-Saturday sales declines with some plunging by 70-80%. Grosses typically rise on Saturdays. Nationwide, Avatar bowed to $26.8M on Friday, slipped 5% to $25.5M on Saturday, and dipped a scant 3% to $24.7M on Sunday. Sunday ended up playing like another Saturday.
The road ahead looks encouraging for the Na'vi pic. Audiences have been loving the film giving it a terrific A average from CinemaScore. An exceptionally high 92% of those polled will definitely recommend the film. Adult men made up the largest quadrant as expected. Studio research showed that 57% of the crowd was male and 62% was 25 and older. Exhibitors have been racing the clock all year to get 3D screens installed in time for Avatar's opening and the new hardware, which allows for extra high ticket prices, paid off. 3D was available on 59% of the screens but they accounted for 71% of the gross. 2,032 theaters offered at least one extra-dimensional screen for a total of 3,124 3D screens including 178 in IMAX where consumers pay even more.
Mediocre effects-driven action films opening in mid-December typically can reach three times their opening weekend figure. Something as well-liked as Avatar could certainly play well through the holidays and quadruple its bow giving it a great chance of breaking $300M domestically. Should the legs be amazing, the cume would rise much higher. Of course, Cameron taught us all not to predict a final gross after just three days of release with Titanic which coincidentally also generated the second best December opening ever, at the time.
Critics were mostly positive on Avatar which also won four Golden Globe nominations last Tuesday including Best Picture - Drama and Best Director. The film's official reported budget is $230M, but industry insiders have estimated that the true production cost without marketing expenses is closer to $300M.
Cameron's films have always powered their way to muscular numbers overseas and Avatar was no exception as Fox rolled out the film in 106 international territories on 14,500 screens with Japan, China, and Italy being the only major markets still to come. The sci-fi actioner grossed a scorching $159.2M overseas this weekend boosting the global opening to a towering $236M. The figures were on par with the most recent worldwide assault from Hollywood - last month's 2012 - which launched with $65.2M domestically, $165M internationally, and $230M globally. That doomsday pic is now at $733M after five weeks of play and Avatar should be able to have better legs thanks to a stronger product and the upcoming holiday break. Its global gross should have no problem soaring higher.
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Again, so you can troll it properly!
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I don't need to troll it. I can just quote people that actually like it.
Again, if you have to defend against its supporters, then that should probably tell you something.
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I, Synthesizer Patel, hereby promise that I will watch Avatar once it comes out on home video.*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
*And the Rifftrax is available.
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Willco has definitely made this thread at least thrice as epic as it otherwise would have been. You've got to give him that.
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Willco, TAG OUT! I'll take it from here.
First order of business: supporters of Cameron's latest furry fuckfest are now known as "Avatards." Green Shinobi gets the special title of "Lawrence of Furabia."
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Again, I'm not even bashing it at this point. I just posted quotes from people who liked it. Damn me and my quotes from all these positive reviews! The critics that are nominating it for serious awards consideration are obviously out to get Glen Shinobi at the Avatar Defense Force!*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Or it's just a shallow spectacle.
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apparently you can see Neytiri's nipples here and there. I never saw a thing when I was watching it at IMAX. When I see it again this weekend I'll definitely be keeping my eye out.
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apparently you can see Neytiri's nipples here and there. I never saw a thing when I was watching it at IMAX. When I see it again this weekend I'll definitely be keeping my eye out.
That's hot.
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:avatar
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Again, I'm not even bashing it at this point. I just posted quotes from people who liked it. Damn me and my quotes from all these positive reviews!
So, if you bought a Porche and found out that it had a couple of scratches in the paint, would that cause you to hate the car? No, because they're scratches and don't affect how awesome it is to drive.
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Actually, the correct analogy would be buying a Porche that looks awesome and beautiful on the outside - I'm talking women get wet just looking at this thing - but the engine sucks an- OMFG WTF BBQ SOMEBODY CUT THE BREAKS NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
... Now you're dead. Good job, Great Rumbler. Your analogy just killed someone.
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That doesn't even make any sense at all, Willco. You're seriously losing it here. Maybe you ought to take a break from this thread and drink some water or something. I mean, dang, dude, I don't want you to die or anything over this Avatar stuff. It's just a movie.
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she looked the best later in the movie without the braids. total swoon
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How am I losing it? You just compared fundamental screenplay and characterization problems to cosmetic scratches on a sports car. That is probably the dumbest analogy ever.
But I don't expect Avatar fans to appreciate things like "dialogue" and "writing". :smug
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As much as some reviewers might gush over the visuals, easily 80% of this movie is story and exposition. I'm pretty sure I remember Beouwolf getting more criticism for it's story and all it did was rewrite a few things, it still made a good story. Avatar gets the complete opposite treatment.
Willco, you can just pirate it by now or if you want to be moral about it, you could buy a ticket for Up In The Air or Invictus or something that's actually good and watch it in 2D since 3D adds absolutely nothing at all to this movie. you really have no idea how bad the story can be until you've seen it yourself.
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How am I losing it? You just compared fundamental screenplay and characterization problems to cosmetic scratches on a sports car. That is probably the dumbest analogy ever.
That would make sense if all Avatar had going for it were it's characters and its story, but that's clearly not the case since most agree that those are the weakest elements of the movie and yet it's still able to garner critical and box office success in a big way. So, no, my analogy isn't wrong.
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Just got back from seeing Avatar in 3D. The film is visually stunning and a whole lot of stupid mindless fun, but whoever decided it deserved a Best Picture (Drama) nomination at the Golden Globes is on crack.
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Looks like Willco and I just can't make ourselves dumb enough to enjoy Avatar. :(
We'll be over here with Cohen and Eric P, sipping wine and watching actual Oscar Best Picture Nominee Up in the Air.
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watching actual Oscar Best Picture Nominee Up in the Air.
I saw it three weeks ago and even talked about it in our movie thread, but was quickly ignored. Damn good film.
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You weren't ignored. After your review, I put out a request to secure a pass or something for it. If all else fails, I'll go see it in theaters.
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watching actual Oscar Best Picture Nominee Up in the Air.
I saw it three weeks ago and even talked about it in our movie thread, but was quickly ignored. Damn good film.
Maybe because most of us don't live near fancy city theaters. :(
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bringing my nephew to see it tomorrow. is this safe for 12 year olds?
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But I don't expect Avatar fans to appreciate things like "dialogue" and "writing". :smug
Big talk from the writer of [insert title of Wilco's first movie here]. :smug
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Even better the second time :hyper
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But I don't expect Avatar fans to appreciate things like "dialogue" and "writing". :smug
Big talk from the writer of [insert title of Wilco's first movie here]. :smug
CANDY LAND
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bringing my nephew to see it tomorrow. is this safe for 12 year olds?
Well, the Na'vi aren't big on clothes so there's a lot of blue skin, although nothing explicit. There's some violence [including a few humans getting speared by giant arrows], but not really much in the way of blood or gore. Swearing is fairly mild.
If you don't mind some mild spoilers, this will give you a better idea of what you're in for:
http://www.kids-in-mind.com/a/avatar.htm (http://www.kids-in-mind.com/a/avatar.htm)
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I'm gonna watch this again in 2d next weekend :hyper
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Saw it today, liked it. Pocahontas in space.
3D sucked though.
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But what really came out this year that is unequivocally better? Precious? The Hurt Locker? Up in the Air? You can make an argument for those films, but will you really argue that there were ten superior films this year? I wouldn't. Even if there were only five slots, I'd still nominate Avatar.
This strikes me as kind of a stupid point, because unless you live in New York or LA you probably haven't even had a chance to see the films that will be nominated for Best Picture. The Lovely Bones, Up in the Air, A Single Man, Nine.....so much stuff is yet to come. Not to mention Inglourious Basterds and District 9 are arguably superior to Avatar.
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The White Ribbon, Up in the Air, A Serious Man, The Hurt Locker, Precious, In the Loop, Crazy Heart, Inglourious Basterds, Moon, District 9, Skin, (500) Days of Summer, Bad Lieutenant or any of the 87 other films (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_year.php?year=2009) with higher aggregated scores at Rotten Tomatoes.
(That includes Drag Me to Hell.)
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The White Ribbon, Up in the Air, A Serious Man, The Hurt Locker, Precious, In the Loop, Crazy Heart, Inglourious Basterds, Moon, District 9, Skin, (500) Days of Summer, Bad Lieutenant or any of the 87 other films (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_year.php?year=2009) with higher aggregated scores at Rotten Tomatoes.
(That includes Drag Me to Hell.)
At least Avatar is in the top 100 for its year, unlike Benjamin Button, The Reader or Atonement.
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apparently i'm going to see it at 10:30 on Saturday. :-\
oh well. but i'm getting my dad, brother and his wife in on it too. so thats 52 more bucks for AVATAR
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For all the people who thought the female Na'vi was hot
:nsfw
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http://www.hardsextube.com/video/159731/
:teehee
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Just saw it. It's a movie of incredible visual and (sometimes) audible appeal with some truly breathtaking feats of filmmaking, yet with one of the poorest examples of characterization in film this year. Dialogue and development is sooooo not for Cameron.
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Just saw it. It's a movie of incredible visual and (sometimes) audible appeal with some truly breathtaking feats of filmmaking, yet with one of the poorest examples of characterization in film this year. Dialogue and development is sooooo not for Cameron.
I think you mean 'aural'.
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hey tauntaun!
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I think I'm going to be seeing it this weekend if the movie theaters aren't too crowded. TBH, the trailers have left me unimpressed and the art direction seems horrible, but I don't think there's been a James Cameron movie I haven't enjoyed on some visceral level. Even Titanic.
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Is it true you engage in recreational cocaine use?
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The love scenes were the worst thing I have ever seen. There were giggles going all around the theater during the sex scene and some people just got up and left.
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You weren't on any when you saw Avatar, were you?
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okay, it wasn't a sex scene. It was just a mating ritual with some dry-humping.
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How does it compare to Cameron's previous films? I mean, would you rate it higher than the first Terminator?
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Graphics of first Terminator...
LOOL
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It's a 22 page thread, man, you can't expect me to read through all of it. :lol
I'd switch up your list like so:
1. Terminator
2. Aliens
3. The Abyss
4. Terminator 2
5. Titanic
6. True Lies
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Titanic was good. fuck haters. I teared up at the end.
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Titanic robbed LA Confidential of an Oscar.
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Avatar hasn't opened here yet...I am going to see it when it does, probably this weekend.
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Nah, man. You'll see those penises like they're coming right at you.
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Lesbian pron.
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Just imagine watching bukkake, you'll jump back afraid some of that's going to splash on you. Gross.
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The 3D sucked in this movie, it did almost nothing. No different from seeing it in standard digital.
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If you want to talk about bad love stories, there are like a million movies with love stories that make Avatar's look like Romeo and Juliet in comparison.
Romeo and Juliet isn't a love story.
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If you want to talk about bad love stories, there are like a million movies with love stories that make Avatar's look like Romeo and Juliet in comparison.
Romeo and Juliet isn't a love story.
:avatar O Jake, Jake, wherefore art thou Jake?
Deny thy species and refuse thy mission;
Or if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love
And I'll no longer be a Na'vi.
:drake Shall I hear more, or shall I speak at this?
:avatar Yiff, yiff
:drake Mmmmmmmm
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What is up with that girl's nose?
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Finally saw it, was pretty entertaining.
It really doesn't do anything new (maybe awesome 3d if you care) but was enjoyable regardless.
Liked how their relationship occurred since it reminded me of typical anime fare and the scene where he
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appears in front of everyone again riding that legendary flying thing looking like the fucking boss and everyone was like "holy crap"
Would watch again.
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The 3D sucked in this movie, it did almost nothing. No different from seeing it in standard digital.
Sucked compared to what? I seen several 3D movies this year and none of them do 3D nearly as well as in Avatar.
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16M dollar Monday. Flopza
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Seeing as how a lot of people are off work/school this week...that's baaaaad.
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nm
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Willco can take it.
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I hope
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$285 million worldwide after four days.
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I actually don't care, but I would tone down the rhetoric simply because the frequency of the remarks are teetering on the edge of being inappropriate. If it was anyone else, and they were offended, I'd probably knock you out of here for a few days.
As for Joe's comment - it wasn't even meant maliciously, and was followed up by a reply where I agreed with him. I don't think there is anyone who has less faith in my writing than myself, as any good Jew would.
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Seeing as how a lot of people are off work/school this week...that's baaaaad.
No is not, you annoying distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
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I've actually got full confidence in Wilco, and would pay to see Candyland: The Motion Picture twice, and at least once during each showing I would stand up and yell "I know that guy! I know him!" :heart
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I'd go see Candyland: The Movie, but only if it's in 3D. Otherwise, I'll just rent the DVD off Netflix.
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The good news is if Joe does that in theaters, he won't be embarrassed, since he'll be the only one there. :-\
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Says you I'ma be fappin to him
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I expect to see this on the Fox News crawl in a few years...
"Candy Land: The Motion Picture is the biggest box-office bomb since Avatar 2: Unobtainium's Revenge" "Candy Land writer and executive producer found naked, collapsed outside actor Bruce Campbell's condominium."
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I expect to see this on the Fox News crawl in a few years...
"Candy Land: The Motion Picture is the biggest box-office bomb since Avatar 2: Unobtainium's Revenge" "Candy Land writer and executive producer found naked, collapsed outside actor Bruce Campbell's condominium."
One showing of the critically lampooned kid's movie ended in chaos when a naked man burst into the theater and began masturbating on another male movie-goer. The victim of the crime said later "I was horrified and appalled, but most of that came from what I was seeing on the screen".
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I expect to see this on the Fox News crawl in a few years...
"Candy Land: The Motion Picture is the biggest box-office bomb since Avatar 2: Unobtainium's Revenge" "Candy Land writer and executive producer found naked, collapsed outside actor Bruce Campbell's condominium."
mmmmmm unobtainium
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pretty good stuff. solid blockbuster/special effects movie.
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So, I got around to seeing it.
It's not bad. It's even kinda good. It's definitely one of those movies I'm glad I saw in the theater.
That said, the acting/writing/directing ran from adequate to pretty mediocre. Obviously the draw was seeing the world and the crazy action sequences, which were easily worth the price of admission.
The irony is that all of the steadfast, rabid hater squad are doing themselves a disservice by not seeing it in the theaters- it's definitely something you want to see on the big screen. 3D was nice.
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Oh, forgot one other thing- FOUR HUNDRED MILLION FOR THAT? REALLY? I mean I know special fx laden spectacle flicks cost a lot, but really? Not seeing it imo.
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Developing new cameras and 3D CGI which costs about twice per second as regular CGI as each frame needs to be rendered twice. If they didn't do it in 3D it would've cost a lot less.
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Also WETA couldn't cut it, so they had to call in ILM to finish the effects in time. That costs more.
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So, I got around to seeing it.
It's not bad. It's even kinda good. It's definitely one of those movies I'm glad I saw in the theater.
That said, the acting/writing/directing ran from adequate to pretty mediocre. Obviously the draw was seeing the world and the crazy action sequences, which were easily worth the price of admission.
The irony is that all of the steadfast, rabid hater squad are doing themselves a disservice by not seeing it in the theaters- it's definitely something you want to see on the big screen. 3D was nice.
Pretty much my opinion. Worth seeing in theaters, not worth seeing until 3D Blu-ray technology is affordable and available.
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Pretty much my opinion. Worth seeing in theaters, not worth seeing until 3D Blu-ray technology is affordable and available.
Next Christmas.
The PlayStation 3 will play Blu-ray 3D out-the-gate, and there are many television sets on the market that are already compatible (here is a list! (http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html)). All you'll need are the glasses, and if NVIDIA 3D Vision pricing is any indication (and Blu-ray 3D uses the same tech), it'll put you back $200.
Not really that crazy expensive.
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I'm surprised at the cost of those LCD monitors that support NVidia glasses. Only around $300, I thought it would be stupid expensive at first. I guess its a good thing they started introducing 120Hz Monitors/TVs a year before 3D hit mainstream.
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Yeah, the technology isn't that expensive. Some folks won't necessarily have to buy new televisions, and if you own a PlayStation 3, you won't have to buy a new player. You'll start to see standalone, 3D-compatible Blu-ray players hit the market later next year. And I'm pretty sure you'll see more and more HDTVs with the refresh rate high enough to display the 3D source video.
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All that thanks to Jim Cameron :bow2
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Actually, all thanks to Disney. The Blu-ray Disc Association has been itchin' to get some of the phat digital 3D cash from top-grossing animated flicks.
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I'm more excited about games that utilize 3D than movies, to be honest. It may reinvigorate my interest in the racing genre!
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I really do urge the "haters" of this film to catch it while it is out at the theatres. Even if you goto a cheaper matinee at a RealD screening.
If you are someone who obsesses over movies, you will find a lot to like about it. Cameron does such a great job at pacing that he minimizes the flaws of his movie. The only time I was really looking at my watch was at the end of the movie when the final battle scene (which I felt was flat) goes into Hollywood autopilot.
It's really a visual experience. One that sticks with you much longer than any other effects-laden movie I can think of.
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ToxicAdam spittin' truth like an alpaca. :rock
Except about the final battle. I thought it was great, even though you knew how it was going to turn out before it even started.
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Well damn, color me impressed. I didn't go in with much in the way of expectations due to the questionable trailers, but the moment they started exploring Pandora I was hooked. Kinda reminded me of I how I felt when I watched Jurassic Park for the first time. More entranced by the world being presented on the screen than the story itself. It definitely does have an impressive showcase of special effects.
Facial animations didn't give me a sense of "uncanny valley" like some other CGI actors do. There was a bit of weightiness to the characters and the way the light bounced off everything naturally gave it that extra bit of realism that a lot of these other big budget movies lack. While the film can get a bit cheesy at times, it's appropriately so. It has pretty much the same amount of light heartedness that's come from Cameron post Aliens. My only major complaint of the film was Horner's forgettable score. This film could've really benefited from some decent themes. But yeah, I'll more than likely see this one more time before it leaves the theatres.
Also found it funny that there was a trailer for Aja's Piranha before the movie. Nice geeky nod right there.
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There were a couple points in the movie where the music is some public domain level "jungle drum music". I'm like really? We're on a fantastic alien planet and you are giving me music ripped from the Survivor reality show? Why not some crazy bass-laden, jazz fusion or something. Make it more unique.
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I enjoyed a lot of the vocal work on the musical pieces–this may sound distinguished mentally-challenged but it reminded me of The Lion King. Very African-based, and enjoyable in that regard.
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I really do urge the "haters" of this film to catch it while it is out at the theatres. Even if you goto a cheaper matinee at a RealD screening.
If you are someone who obsesses over movies, you will find a lot to like about it. Cameron does such a great job at pacing that he minimizes the flaws of his movie. The only time I was really looking at my watch was at the end of the movie when the final battle scene (which I felt was flat) goes into Hollywood autopilot.
It's really a visual experience. One that sticks with you much longer than any other effects-laden movie I can think of.
I thought the movie was supposed to end 15 minutes earlier than it did. I was fully prepared for the ships to arrive, Jim Sully jumping at one, then just as he's about to hit it-- *BAM* credits roll, wait 10 years for Cameron sequel. :lol
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Slumdog
Hey now! That movie deserved an Academy Award or two, not 8 though.
Slumdog was fucking amazing imo
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Worst Horner score since Zorro. That one only reused the Willow score. Avatar reuses Willow, Titanic, and fucking Glory. When he started up the Glory theme during a blue furry mass orgy I knew he had finally lost it.
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Slumdog was the worst Oscar winner since Crash. I couldn't stand that movie.
Fixed. I still can't believe that POS Crash won.
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I really do urge the "haters" of this film to catch it while it is out at the theatres. Even if you goto a cheaper matinee at a RealD screening.
If you are someone who obsesses over movies, you will find a lot to like about it. Cameron does such a great job at pacing that he minimizes the flaws of his movie. The only time I was really looking at my watch was at the end of the movie when the final battle scene (which I felt was flat) goes into Hollywood autopilot.
It's really a visual experience. One that sticks with you much longer than any other effects-laden movie I can think of.
Great post except for the bolded. I canot recall a better or more ambitious or better action scene.
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Add another $16 million to the domestic gross.
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it's going to rape over the weekend.
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Wow, that's pretty impressive.
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Here's a bit of trivia: Avatar has the third highest Tuesday gross ever [behind Dead Man's Chest and Dark Knight, with DMC getting bumped if you don't count opening day grosses] and also the third highest non-holiday Monday gross ever [behind the same two movies]
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Here's a bit of trivia: Avatar has the third highest Tuesday gross ever [behind Dead Man's Chest and Dark Knight, with DMC getting bumped if you don't count opening day grosses] and also the third highest non-holiday Monday gross ever [behind the same two movies]
Likely due to the freaking storms over the weekend.
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Yeah, I tried to watch Avatar today and it was sold out (at IMAX). Its also sold out tomorrow, theater is closed on Friday and sold out for the weekend. Its a single IMAX theater but sheeeeiiiit.
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ManaByte says that is below expectations
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Manabyte says a lot of things, you might have noticed that people don't listen to any of them.
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I really do urge the "haters" of this film to catch it while it is out at the theatres. Even if you goto a cheaper matinee at a RealD screening.
If you are someone who obsesses over movies, you will find a lot to like about it. Cameron does such a great job at pacing that he minimizes the flaws of his movie. The only time I was really looking at my watch was at the end of the movie when the final battle scene (which I felt was flat) goes into Hollywood autopilot.
It's really a visual experience. One that sticks with you much longer than any other effects-laden movie I can think of.
Great post except for the bolded. I canot recall a better or more ambitious or better action scene.
Really? I can think of about 3 or 4 from this year that were a bit more engaging.
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lol you serious? I can't think of a better action sequence this decade let alone this shitty year.
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lol you serious? I can't think of a better action sequence this decade let alone this shitty year.
I can think of 6
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The movie was pretty good! I won't repeat the usual comments about the so-so story or flat characters but seeing it in the IMAX with the GLORIOUS 3D was great and the movie was surprisingly entertaining and exhilarating. While James Cameron's rhetoric about this revolutionizing CG is a bit bunk they did a seriously impressive job with the lighting, post processing, and actor implementation. They deserve serious kudos for that kind of groundwork.
Haters annihilated by Ferngully 2 confirmed.
I'd recommend that people watch this just for the special effects and the three action scenes but I really couldn't see any way that this benefited from 3D. The CGI is seamless but that was actually annoying to me in that the planet and the aliens didn't look supernatural (re: interesting) imo. Big ass waste in my mind.
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I can't think of a better action sequence, full stop.
Thats a BINGO!
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19018370&postcount=7674
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_L2yIvMPiJ1k/SwqHmKqnnmI/AAAAAAAADGI/3wLwZRufrgY/s1600/PROJET+880+-+FINAL+NEYTIRI+STANDEE+40.jpg)
How the fuck can anyone think that's hot?
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if it was an actual person. but you know, sans the blue skin. she would be pretty hot. blue skin isn't an issue tho for me. i'm not racist.
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:lol
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The tail, ears, eyes, and nose are the big issues you perv.
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the eyes are kinda sexy.
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You've gotta be kidding. The bizarre huge cat-like eyes?
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you must not know me very well
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You know, for all the talk about Avatar having some super-huge, unwarranted budget, it's really not that much more than a lot of other really huge movies that have come out recently. Terminator Salvation cost $200 million, Transformers 2 cost $200 million, Pirates 3 cost $300 million, Spider-man 3 cost $258 million, Prince Caspian cost $225 million, and X-Men 3 cost $210 million.
I don't think there are many people that would argue that any of those are better movies than Avatar or that those movies spent there money anywhere close to as well as Avatar did.
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Regarding a sequel, I wonder if they're going to go with a direct continuation of this storyline or it's going to be a different story, but about Pandora since that's Avatar's best character and what's been given the most attention. Something like a prequel, that's about the actual discovery of Pandora.
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Why does this thread have Aerosmith in it. You arent doing Avatar any favors
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I didn't say Cameron poorly spent his budget, but all those films have built-in fanbases, hence why it's they are a solid bet financially. Avatar is a risky gamble. As I said, I think it will pay off, but to the degree that those other films did for their respective studios? To be determined.
I'm not a fan of mega-budget films anyway, for reasons already stated. Compromise, collaboration and adversity create the best movies; a film will never reach its full potential if producers and directors get to throw money at all the problems. Imagine if Cameron couldn't necessarily film anything he wanted, thus forcing him to be creative - maybe using, I don't know, characterization to make a thematic point he would have otherwise used an extravagant sequence for.
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Buy him a ticket on Fandango, it is Christmas
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The extravagant sequences are the whole fucking point, Failco.
Wait, so you're in total agreement that Avatar is nothing but an extravagant spectacle, and characterization and dialogue don't matter?
Christ, just go see the movie already.
I don't even need to now. You agreed with me.
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Fuck it, you know what? Willco, I will pay for you to see this film. No joke. PM me the details, and I'll buy you a ticket online with my credit card. Not shitting you. I'm not even expecting you to like it, but I'm sick of you trolling something you haven't seen.
Don't you have to show the card you used to purchase the tickets when you pick them up? Or is there some new school way that I've missed.
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If you're going to buy me a ticket to a movie, I also want a large soda - as I said earlier. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32687.msg995203#msg995203)
I am not a cheap date. I will not put out for anything less than soda and popcorn.
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I didn't say Cameron poorly spent his budget, but all those films have built-in fanbases, hence why it's they are a solid bet financially.
Avatar will easily pass, and leave behind in the dust, Prince Caspian, X-Men: The Last Stand, and Terminator Salvation.
Don't you have to show the card you used to purchase the tickets when you pick them up? Or is there some new school way that I've missed.
When you buy the ticket, you get a order number. Some places have a kiosk that you can put the number into and print your tickets out.
Or you can print out the order page from the site itself and present them at the box office.
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i think so. not sure where though. at the avatar showing I went to, the people in front of me were showing the guys at the door a huge piece of paper. i assumed it was a ticket printed out online. but everything I have ever used makes you take the card to either the machine or customer service desk and have them print them out.
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Avatar will easily pass, and leave behind in the dust, Prince Caspian, X-Men: The Last Stand, and Terminator Salvation.
Two of which are considered duds (or underperformers at the least) in their respective industry. So, uh, yay?
Other films Avatar is likely to outgross: Pluto Nash, Godzilla, Watchmen, etc.
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The extravagant sequences are the whole fucking point, Failco.
Wait, so you're in total agreement that Avatar is nothing but an extravagant spectacle, and characterization and dialogue don't matter?
They don't matter in a fucking blockbuster 300 million dollars movie, thats not what people paid to see, thats why everyone loves the fucking movie because they got what they wanted.
But in Cameron's defence Avatar was the first time that I cared about the main characters in a movie like this since T2.
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Oh Jesus.
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Two of which are considered duds (or underperformers at the least) in their respective industry. So, uh, yay?
Other films Avatar is likely to outgross: Pluto Nash, Godzilla, Watchmen, etc.
Avatar will hit $400 million before the second weekend starts.
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Solo already has expressed his opinion, and nobody jumped on his dick™ because he called a spade, well, exactly that. I think Solo acknowledged that it is indeed spectacle entertainment and that it is a rousing success on that level, which I don't think anyone truly doubts (well, maybe except for Patel).
But that's not good enough for you, it has to be better than a good popcorn flick, it has to be respected, despite the fact that it is not a great film worthy of serious awards consideration because of glaring flaws that even its more ardent fans concede. Patel said it better than I can, when he told me:
We saw the same thing with The Dark Knight. It's not enough to like it. It's not enough enough to be good. It needs the respect of the establishment. It needs Best Picture nominations! It needs Best Actor nominations!
The only difference is that at least The Dark Knight had a good screenplay.
®jumped on his dick is a registered trademark of Saint Cornelius, and cannot be use without consent. Or not.
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Transformers' acting/characters/dialogue make Avatar's acting/characters/dialogue seem like Citizen Kane.
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Again, if Transformers is to be the standard of which Avatar is judged against (by its fans, no less), then you have made my point for me.
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TDK>Avatar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Slumdog>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>benjamin button>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>juno.
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And Diunx seals the deal with that post. Cancel the Oscars folks, we have a winner. Perspective, objectivity and fundamental storytelling can all go home, you guys lost big time.
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He agreed on the basis of technical merits I believe, which is not something I necessarily disagree with. It's the only serious category that allows for that kind of nomination.
Saying it should be nominated for Best Picture, Best Original Screenplay, Best Actor, etc. (y'know the things that make a truly great film) is pretty laughable, though. There is a point where blind fanboy fanaticism becomes downright pathetic.
But it's not like you haven't crossed that bridge before.
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Again, if Transformers is to be the standard of which Avatar is judged against (by its fans, no less), then you have made my point for me.
I just think it's nice that a well-made event film that's not a sequel or based on an existing, bankable franchise is bringing in some decent money.
GS is going to over-hype it, because that's what GS does, but Avatar really is a legitimately good [even great, perhaps] event film. Much more so than a lot of the ones from recent years.
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Failco just got into the bizz and already is typical Hollywood knowitall.
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As Mandark already put it:
Plenty of very good films follow the conventions of a genre, but nothing from the reviews suggests that Avatar has anything in the way of writing or acting to rise above predictability, or that the new technology adds anything other than very realistic images of an alien world. That's an impressive achievement, and they have Oscars specifically for that kind of stuff. You know, the ones where the time limit on acceptance speeches is strictly enforced.
I have no problem with someone labeling Avatar as a good film, with the caveat of for a popcorn flick (substitute spectacle or event dependent on preference), but saying it deserves a Best Picture nomination is silly. Best Picture is nominated to exactly that - best picture - which is usually comprised of the same elements that you think Avatar doesn't deserve a nomination for.
... they already have an awards ceremony for films that people like you think are the best of the year: it's called the MTV Movie Awards.
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It'll probably get nominated for Best Picture and Best Director, but it won't win the former. The latter...I could see that happening.
I mean, let's not pretend that Hollywood doesn't like it's event films. Star Wars got nominations for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay. They even tossed one to Alec Guinness! How wild is that?
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Failco just got into the bizz and already is typical Hollywood knowitall.
Obviously. Here I am with my crazy theories about characterization and storytelling and dialogue. It's like I reinvented the wheel!
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I mean, let's not pretend that Hollywood doesn't like it's event films. Star Wars got nominations for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay. They even tossed one to Alec Guinness! How wild is that?
A New Hope was a legitimately great film. Some of the dialogue is - dare I say - Cameron level, but its narrative is fantastic and its characterization is second to none. Avatar will be remembered for Pandora, Star Wars is remembered for its characters.
And I won't go into the fact that A New Hope was a legitimate game-changer. Avatar is pretty much an evolution in special effects, and its only lasting impact might be that it sped up the adoption of 3D in an industry that was already moving that way.
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I saw it yesterday. It was pretty good, although I could have lived without seeing Sigourney Weaver in blue skin.
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Plus, I shed a tear when her character died. :'(
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Honestly, Willco, this is just as asinine as a music critic arguing that the best album of a year must have deep, introspective lyrics.
(http://theurbanwire.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/muse-the-resistance.jpg)
Obviously.
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All too easy. :lol
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And why couldn't its technical merits be so good that it qualifies for Best Picture on that alone? Quit thinking of film as an extension of theater.
Because in a year where there are so many films with legitimately good stories, writing and scripts, it would be ridiculous to award a film as deeply flawed as Avatar.
I'm totally fine with Annie Hall winning an Oscar over Star Wars.
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Willco, I've forgotten more musical theory and technique than you will ever know in your lifetime, so don't even bring that shit up.
(http://theurbanwire.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/muse-the-resistance.jpg)
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GS, why do you take everything so fucking personal? Take some time off and go to the park or something.
It's the internet for fuck sake.
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http://www.worldsstrangest.com/drb/10-possible-sources-of-avatar-in-classic-science-fiction/
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Yeah, Green Shinobi, you need some time to relax. Since you are a music and film connoisseur, with expert knowledge in musical theory and technique, I think you'll really dig this album:
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(http://theurbanwire.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/muse-the-resistance.jpg)
It might be too deep for my primitive understanding of the art form.
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Failco just got into the bizz and already is typical Hollywood knowitall.
Obviously. Here I am with my crazy theories about characterization and storytelling and dialogue. It's like I reinvented the wheel!
Hence why I said you're a typical Hollywood knowitall.
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Can you really name ten films (with a legitimate chance at an Oscar, no obscure indies) that deserve a nomination more? In a field of five, maybe Avatar shouldn't be in there. In a field of ten, there's no way it gets left out.
Didn't we already do this?
A Serious Man, Up in the Air, The Hurt Locker, Nine, An Education, Inglorious Basterds, A Single Man, Precious, An Education, UP, The Lovely Bones, The Road, The White Ribbon, The Messenger.....
I'm not saying Avatar might not squeak in a nomination.....just that it shouldn't rightfully be able to win over all this stuff that has superior execution of more than just special effects.
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Green Shinobi has a tiny penis. It isn't even thick.
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To be fair, The Lovely Bones apparently sucks. Nine is not that great either.
Throw in Crazy Heart and either Moon, (500) Days of Summer, In the Loop or Skin, and you'd have yourself a real Oscar field.
Green Shinobi has a tiny penis. It isn't even thick.
Well he's obviously compensating for something.
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Avatar is better than moon.
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Nine is not that great either.
Neither was Chicago?
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Chicago at least had the benefit of being well-received by critics hungry for something that we really had not seen in film in awhile.
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Alright, guys, start placing your bets now. What's the over/under on amount of days that Willco will continue to trash talk Avatar without actually having seen it?
I'm going with 10 days.
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When a screener comes out.
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I dunno, but I wasn't really taken in by action sequences in this film, save for one of the scenes', which was the one that was supposed to have the most emotional impact, I guess. But the fact that it was initiated by the most generic and clichéd character in the movie made its effect feel flat, much like most of the movie. I get it, it's a glorified cartoon. What I don't get is grown people going gaga for this shit. It's is an average movie in nearly every respect. I suppose James Cameron gets a free pass from critics in regards to story and characters.
For me there was nothing special about the movie. Not the action sequences, not the music score, not the performances and definitely not the story.
So the blue cat-people have well animated faces, whoopee-doo. I doubt if many people would care about this movie in a few years time.
Just blowing shit up doesn't cut it here I'm afraid. It works in stuff like Lethal Weapon because of the chemistry between Murtaugh and Riggs and their reactions to it. Sure it's nice for a couple of seconds, but the audience don't really care about the explosion, they want to see it's effects through a couple of charismatic characters.
And to digress slightly, I watched the Truman Show on tv yesterday. Man that cleansed the palette nicely. A great movie that gets better with age.
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Alright, guys, start placing your bets now. What's the over/under on amount of days that Willco will continue to trash talk Avatar without actually having seen it?
Damn my trash talk, where I call it spectacle entertainment and state I do not necessarily disagree with a Best Director nomination! I am such a hater! Grr! :dizzy
... it's true, Green Shinobi, most critics have never seen a live-action adaptation of Delgo (http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/the-7-eeriest-parallels-between-avatar-and-delgo.php) before. Best Picture contender confirmed.
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Alright, guys, start placing your bets now. What's the over/under on amount of days that Willco will continue to trash talk Avatar without actually having seen it?
Damn my trash talk, where I call it spectacle entertainment and state I do not necessarily disagree with a Best Director nomination! I am such a hater! Grr! :dizz
If that was all you needed to do to experience a movie, you might as well not watch any at all. Just read synopses and plots on Wikipedia and reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Avatar has the benefit of being well-received by critics hungry for something that we really have not seen in film in awhile (if ever).
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Eat it Willco.
http://moviecitynews.com/awards/2010/gurus/gurus_091223.html (http://moviecitynews.com/awards/2010/gurus/gurus_091223.html)
I won't even call you stupid for posting a link that says what we have pretty much been saying for - what - a week now?*
But the best part is when I get to save this post and use it against you if you ever, ever say serious awards consideration doesn't necessarily validate any future film. Which I'm sure will come up once you see a legitimately great film and are stupefied by crazy things like "characterization" and "dialogue".
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* p.s. you're stupid
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Alright, guys, start placing your bets now. What's the over/under on amount of days that Willco will continue to trash talk Avatar without actually having seen it?
Damn my trash talk, where I call it spectacle entertainment and state I do not necessarily disagree with a Best Director nomination! I am such a hater! Grr! :dizz
If that was all you needed to do to experience a movie, you might as well not watch any at all. Just read synopses and plots on Wikipedia and reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
... or better yet, I go see the movies I want to see and in the cases where a general consensus has been met on the flaws and weaknesess on a film that I have little desire to see, I don't see it.
That's like saying, "If you don't like romantic comedies, how do you know if this is a bad one unless you see it!"
The winner is me here.
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Your opinion doesn't matter, Willco. Avatar is going to be nominated for Best Picture. I'll stake my account on that right now. But you'll probably just moan about how that nomination invalidates the entire institution. And the saddest part is when that happens, you probably still won't have seen it.
Why would you stake your account on something that was never in question? I think we all agreed that it's likely to get nominated, the difference between you and the people that have taste is that we realize that it is a stupid nomination for stupid people.
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Willco: Man, these Oscar voters are crazy. I can't believe a movie like Avatar is going to get nominated when other, far better, films aren't. It's a downright travesty really. I mean, it's got terrible dialogue, acting, characters and all that. Those kinds of things just don't make a great movie, no matter how awesome the special effects or action are.
Random person: So what kind of rating would you give it then?
Willco: Huh? I haven't it seen it yet, but I've read some reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Again, why does my opinion matter when its favorable reviews, from the very people that nominate films, have pretty much reached a consensus that it does not meet certain standards? It's not like the fact that it has weak characterization and a mediocre screenplay is a polarizing opinion.
O WAIT FANBOIS
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Yes, I cherry picked quotes from the positive reviews. :lol
DAMN MY CHERRY PICKIN'
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Again, why does my opinion matter when its favorable reviews, from the very people that nominate films, have pretty much reached a consensus that it does not meet certain standards? It's not like the fact that it has weak characterization and a mediocre screenplay is a polarizing opinion.
O WAIT FANBOIS
:rofl
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I can't wait for Glen Shinobi's Top 10 films of the decade, which will probably include King Kong and some other turd, because that guy is an idiot.
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Willco gets a hardon reading reviews. He forms his opinion on what other people say, not on his own. He's as mindless as they come, with no voice of his own. Should fit right in with Hollywood. I won't expect anything unique coming from his mind.
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I really want to forget about this thread and not ever enter it again. I really do.
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Its true, I am not known for contrasting opinions, embracing spectacle or watching films whatsoever.
I guess you can say I'm almost as much of an idiot as Glen Shinobi, who also uses people's opinions (and awards consideration) to prop up his own.
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That's a pretty good list... if you write at Ain't It Cool News.
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I'm going to see it after Christmas. I suppose I could troll without seeing it, but I'll have less clout. Only problem is that if I don't see it in 3D people will move the goal posts and claim I "reallly" haven't seen the flick
hmmm an extra $3 to legitimately troll. :'(
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That's a pretty good list... if you write at Ain't It Cool News.
:'(
Half of those would be on my list.
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Add another $16.4 million to Avatar's total. That's a slight increase from Tuesday. Worldwide total is now $345 million after six days [not counting foreign gross for the sixth day].
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Solo already has expressed his opinion, and nobody jumped on his dick™ because he called a spade, well, exactly that. I think Solo acknowledged that it is indeed spectacle entertainment and that it is a rousing success on that level, which I don't think anyone truly doubts (well, maybe except for Patel).[/size]
Its the most rousingly successful spectacle feature Ive ever seen, and the emotional moments work, in spite of Cameron's dialogue. The films flaws lie wholly on paper. The spectacle is, well, spectacular, and the actors for the most part do well do lift their characters above what was obviously hollow on paper.
In short, nothing has changed since the first day this released: weak screenplay, awesomesauce everything else. Of course, a weak script is usually the killer, but in an event movie like this, its easier to relax your standards.
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I just lol'd so hard.
I totally get what you're saying, Glen. I mean, on paper, your opinions are so bad - but the way you type them make me tear up...
... with laughter.
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Keep digging that hole, Willco, eventually you'll come out on the other side.
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What hole? The hole to center of whatever planet Green Shinobi lives on?
Because it ain't this one. Maybe he lives on - wait for it - Pandroa.
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Add another $16.4 million to Avatar's total. That's a slight increase from Tuesday. Worldwide total is now $345 million after six days [not counting foreign gross for the sixth day].
I can't believe willco is still trying to paint this as a financial blunder by fox.
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Willco's jokes have lowered to the level of Avatar's screenplay.
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To be fair, I never said a) it was a blunder or b) it would tank.
But if don't see the risk behind greenlight that probably needs more $600 million to just break even, you probably work at Fox.
The numbers really haven't changed that.
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Wow, that was brutal, Juice.
Nobody should be compared to Avatar's screenplay - not even Green Shinobi!
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To be fair, I never said a) it was a blunder or b) it would tank.
But if don't see the risk behind greenlight that probably needs more $600 million to just break even, you probably work at Fox.
The numbers really haven't changed that.
But its going to make a billion, mang.
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Willco's antics might be funny if we hadn't already gone through 25 pages and had an actual end in sight.
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To be fair, I never said a) it was a blunder or b) it would tank.
But if don't see the risk behind greenlight that probably needs more $600 million to just break even, you probably work at Fox.
The numbers really haven't changed that.
To be fair, you never really SAY anyhing. You keep comments on tangible things vague so you cant be quote-owned later. but we all know you werent expecting avatar to be the success that it is.
You learned your lesson after your abominable and specific predictions for halo wars and star trek.
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With foreign totals for Wednesday in, Avatar gets bumped up to $381 million. That's $36 million from outside the US yesterday.
That puts it above X-Men Origins, Terminator Salvation, and Monsters vs. Aliens.
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Im gonna celebrate this thread by seeing Avatar for a third time!
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I just watched District 9. That's 10x the movie Avatar is and it cost 10x less. I'm dying to see the sequel, but I could care less about an Avatar sequel. Every second of District 9 was riveting, and when it ends you want the sequel immediately. When Avatar ends you're like "Eh, the 3D and CG was good...story not so much".
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Solo, am I off base with that example I gave? What scenes would you choose to illustrate the point you were making?
About actors elevating the script?
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Im gonna celebrate this thread by seeing Avatar for a third time!
I'm going to see it again, but not until after Christmas when the crowds start to shrink.
I just watched District 9. That's 10x the movie Avatar is and it cost 10x less. I'm dying to see the sequel, but I could care less about an Avatar sequel. Every second of District 9 was riveting, and when it ends you want the sequel immediately. When Avatar ends you're like "Eh, the 3D and CG was good...story not so much".
Avatar wasn't quite as good as District 9's first half, but it stomps all over the second half when D9 goes into action movie mode. First half was legitimately great though and I actually would have preferred more of that sort of movie than what it became.
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District 9's story was better too.
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District 9's story was better too.
It's just Alien Nation set in South Africa. ::)
On another note, Avatar still hasn't released in Japan, China, and Italy yet. Three countries which could raise the total by $60-$70 million when all's said and done.
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AdmiralViscen... you are correct in that I rightfully deserved a tongue lashing for underestimating Halo Warz, but to recap what I've said:
1. This film will have to break $600 mil to be a wash
2. You could make a lot more profit with a smaller investment
I don't think it will have Titanic-like legs, like Solo believes. We'll see.
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Exactly (and I would add the directing to the list of features that elevated the script).
Every single Neytiri scene (Zoe Saldana rocked the shit out of her role) and same for Stephen Lang's scenes. Neytiri was written with a lot of cheesey lines that could have killed the movie dead in its tracks. Instead, on the strength of her role, it only had 2 quick scenes that were awkward. Lang's character was as paper-thin and moustache-twirling a villain as youll find, but he similarly added a ton of colour to his character.
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Did you tear up, Solo? Did it tug your emotional strings?
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Of course I didnt tear up, but the movie does hit all the right emotional beats.
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less arguing and more hawt neytiri pix plz
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Shut the fuck up green shinobi!
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:lol
This justification for the lack of characterization smells an awful like... The Phantom Menace.
"He's supposed to be a little boy! Little boys are one-dimensional and obnoxious!"
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What a shitty thread this is, the GAF thread is much better.
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Because solo had a perfectly good observation without You tripping over yourself to make it sound better han it was. Obviously that character could have been better, even though hhe didnt ruin the movie.
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The GAF thread also has furries talking about wanting to sex a computer-generated cat character. I'm so hurt those guys would laugh at me. :'(
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The actors didn't elevate the script. In fact you could say that the performances were ordinary enough that it compounded the already ordinary script. The lead actor is plain, the villain thoroughly cliched - I agree that Lang did a good job, but the role didn't remit him to bring a quality of freshness to his character, which ended up stale regardless of acting chops. The only performance mildy absorbing was also the most exotic character in the script, and that was Zoe Saldana, whom I praised before itt.
Compare this to TDK for example where there was some genuinely great performances ala Gary Oldman and Heath Ledger that did elevate the script.
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Zoe Saldana :bow2
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The actors didn't elevate the script. In fact you could say that the performances were ordinary enough that it compounded the already ordinary script. The lead actor is plain, the villain thoroughly cliched - I agree that Lang did a good job, but the role didn't remit him to bring a quality of freshness to his character, which ended up stale regardless of acting chops. The only performance mildy absorbing was also the most exotic character in the script, and that was Zoe Saldana, whom I praised before itt.
Compare this to TDK for example where there was some genuinely great performances ala Gary Oldman and Heath Ledger that did elevate the script.
IF THIS WAS GAF YOU WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF HERE HOW DARE U
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Did you just cite velociraptors as an example of a one-dimensional character? :lol
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Yeah, Michael Crichton did a bang up job inventing dinosaurs.
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Yeah, the people who rag on Quarritch make no sense to me. He's a hardass military colonel who was probably chosen for his position precisely because he's an incredible hardass who wouldn't have qualms about taking out a native population. How much depth do you really expect out of someone like that? Does anyone really expect him to be Javert?
Quarritch is positively awful. There is nothing interesting or menacing about him. He's just a hothead with powerful weapons. The last couple years have seen so many great movie villains -- it's astounding to see that some pretty CG has made people forget them in favor of someone doing a corny drill sergeant impression. Excusing such a a hollow character by comparing him to non-human anatagonists like the T-1000 and velociraptors is fucking lol-tastic.
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Hey, he has a lot of character depth compared to the tornado from Twister.
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Im typing on a touchscreen lol, not now.
However, yes military leaders can be 3 dimensional, and so is my asshole boss and even my cat.
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border wasn't being hostile, you twat. :lol
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But how would you have written him better? He does exactly what that kind of character would do in those situations. He's not the type to experience self-doubt, remorse or hesitation. He's not the type to ever show weakness. He's one-dimensional in the same way your asshole boss is one-dimensional, the way the T-1000 or Jurassic Park's velociraptors or Lumberg from Office Space were one-dimensional. And it's awesome.
I don't think you could justify a character that is trying to commit genocide by saying, "Oh him ::). He's just an asshole". But the script does just that imo. I think the only backstory we got on his character was when he showed off his battle scars to Jake, "Hurr Hurr looka me, see these badass scars. I got these in 'Nam. I'm way more badass than you, chicken legs."
It's an average movie. There's more drama itt than the whole movie.
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The problem isn't even that Quarritch is one-dimensional.....it's just that he is GENERIC MARINE ASSHOLE #408078. There is nothing original or interesting about him.
There's plenty of room for one-dimensional villains, so long as they are well-written, well-acted and very distinct:
(http://weblogs.variety.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/15/nocountry1.jpg)
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And Diunx seals the deal with that post. Cancel the Oscars folks, we have a winner. Perspective, objectivity and fundamental storytelling can all go home, you guys lost big time.
Says the guy who is a big time horror flick figgurt.
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Says the guy who is a big time horror flick figgurt.
Says the guy who not only is self-admitted horror flick figgurt, but agrees with you that the horror community by and large overrates derivative genre fare and would never, ever call for Drag Me to Hell to be nominated for Best Picture - despite the fact that it has a higher aggregated score than Avatar on Rotten Tomatoes.
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If I were Willco, I would go see Avatar but continue to pretend not to have seen it. His refusal to view the film seems to be a far more effective trolling tool than actually having viewed it.
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Why go see something I've seen ten times before? :smug
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How come shit ass paul reiser was 3D in aliens green shinobi
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To be fair, was Paul Reiser as terrifying as RAPTORS and ROBOTS?
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Says the guy who is a big time horror flick figgurt.
Says the guy who not only is self-admitted horror flick figgurt, but agrees with you that the horror community by and large overrates derivative genre fare and would never, ever call for Drag Me to Hell to be nominated for Best Picture - despite the fact that it has a higher aggregated score than Avatar on Rotten Tomatoes.
The aggregate from the top critics is lower on Drag Me to Hell, as is the average score from the top critics.
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The alien queen possessed more nuance than quidditch
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The aggregate from the top critics is lower on Drag Me to Hell, as is the average score from the top critics.
Sounds like semantics to me. Cry moar? :smug
:lol @ "quidditch"
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The aggregate from the top critics is lower on Drag Me to Hell, as is the average score from the top critics.
Sounds like semantics to me. Cry moar? :smug
Hey, I can't help it that Avatar is making big bucks all over the world, winning praise from movie-goers, and getting award nominations from critics.
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Actually, you did help it. Avatards. Geez. :P
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Actually, you did help it. Avatards. Geez. :P
I am but one man, Willco. The world as a whole has spoken and blue furries are king.
Sounds like you're just behind in the times, old man. :smug
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One man can make a difference. Or did you not learn anything from the rehashed story in Avatar?
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But they only won because of the interconnectedness of the entire world, which provided invaluable aid at a critical juncture. Just as James Cameron has united the world in its love for Avatar and blue furries.
Of course, you'd know that if you actually saw the movie.
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But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.
Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie. :smug
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Isn't it funny that James Cameron has essentially made an anti-modernist film promoting environmentalism while using the all latest spoils of technology and all the money he can muster from the big corporations.
Talk about practising what you preach...
But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.
Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie. :smug
He wasn't just a person Willco. He was the chosen one. :smug
Yes, that's how trite this film is.
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This thread :piss2
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This movie :piss2
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He thinks the Na'vi are subhuman savages. He sees no problem in driving them off their land. He even tries to be somewhat humane about it during the first go-around. He works for a corporation that sees significant monetary value in doing this. He's no different from one of King Leopold's lackeys in Belgium. He's also itching for combat. He wants to use all that expensive (and admittedly badass) military equipment at his disposal. He tells Sully that he has seen some extensive combat experience before. Now he's doing security detail on some planet 6 light years from Earth. Of course he's going to want to get some action in.
oh wow man. Well when you put it that way.
rofl.
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This thread is better than the movie
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But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.
Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie. :smug
Nope. Jake Sully and the Na'vi didn't win the battle, it was the planet as a whole rising up to drive off the invaders that led to victory.
Didn't you read that in any reviews? :smug
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Jake united all the Tribes. Jake prayed to Earthmother for Divine Intervention. Without him, the hope of the Na'vi people would have been lost!
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But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.
Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie. :smug
Nope. Jake Sully and the Na'vi didn't win the battle, it was the planet as a whole rising up to drive off the invaders that led to victory.
Didn't you read that in any reviews? :smug
True but it was Jake who was the grand architect for these events
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He thinks the Na'vi are subhuman savages. He sees no problem in driving them off their land. He even tries to be somewhat humane about it during the first go-around. He works for a corporation that sees significant monetary value in doing this. He's no different from one of King Leopold's lackeys in Belgium. He's also itching for combat. He wants to use all that expensive (and admittedly badass) military equipment at his disposal. He tells Sully that he has seen some extensive combat experience before. Now he's doing security detail on some planet 6 light years from Earth. Of course he's going to want to get some action in.
oh wow man. Well when you put it that way.
rofl.
Darth Maul didn't need any dialogue, he is Sith and they are evil! Motivation is there!
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you know your movies generic when the dude who hasn't seen it can win an argument over a specific plot point
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Hey, he has a lot of character depth compared to the tornado from Twister.
This is true. Cameron vindicated. Haters annihilated.
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Jake united all the Tribes. Jake prayed to Earthmother for Divine Intervention. Without him, the hope of the Na'vi people would have been lost!
There was no divine intervention. The Earthmother was just a global hivemind [of a sort] that the Na'vi saw as being a deity, "it doesn't take sides, it maintains balance". In this case, the humans were upsetting the balance of nature on the planet [by ransacking it], so the planet reacted and pushed them out. Same way that your body reacts as a whole to a harmful virus.
Jake uniting the tribes didn't mean anything because they were still on the verge of losing until the planet itself finally reacted to the threat.
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In fact, thanks to Jake's intervention a lot more people got killed than otherwise would have? So in essence that sort of makes him the villain of the piece? Is that what you're saying?
Brilliant, Cameron, brilliant. :bow
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In fact, thanks to Jake's intervention a lot more people got killed than otherwise would have? So in essence that sort of makes him the villain of the piece? Is that what you're saying?
Brilliant, Cameron, brilliant. :bow
Well, he managed to save the tree by prolonging the battle long enough for the planet to gather itself and react. But ultimately Jake and the Na'vi weren't instrumental in actually winning the battle. The planet's timely intervention was what changed the tide of battle and without it the Na'vi lose and their tree gets roasted.
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Wow, this thread took a turn into a brick wall... :lol
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Whenever I hear someone say they just got back from Avatar, it goes like this:
"Oh man I just saw avatar!"
"How was it?"
"Awesome"
"Orly?"
"Well, the story is kind of dumb and it's all the same stuff you've seen before, but it looked great"
Which is all making me wonder if this is the playboy bunny of cinema.
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Whatever haters, the movie is a critical and commercial success and it will probably be nominated for best picture.
James Cameron :bow2
Angry internet people :piss2
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Whatever haters, the movie is a critical and commercial success and it will probably be nominated for best picture.
James Cameron :bow2
Angry internet people :piss2
Except I am talking about people who liked the movie. I haven't seen the film.
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Characterization and dialogue matter, but in a movie like this, they just need to be passable. As long as the story and characters and dialogue aren't a complete Transformers 2-level failure, they're good enough. I personally liked the story and most of the characters. The backbone of this story has been told before, but never like this.
A great deal of the emotional weight in this film comes from the big sequences. Many people I've talked to were moved almost to tears by some of the set-piece-driven scenes in this film. Not everyone who has seen it feels this way, but a lot of people do. The sense of wonder in Avatar is like nothing else.
That's what I went into this movie expecting but what I got was a three hour film with 90% exposition. In a movie like that, obviously, the main thing that you should focus on is making the dialogue and characterization as good as possible, rather than having them take a backseat to the 3D effects. Either that or he could have chopped off at least an hour.
It required a lot more than just it's effects and setpieces to stay interesting for the full three hours dude and it completely failed on that front.
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http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/24/james-cameron-in-major-a-hole-dispute/
Even Cameron thinks you guys are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, lmao
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random troll about this shit avatar movie
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http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/24/james-cameron-in-major-a-hole-dispute/
Even Cameron thinks you guys are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, lmao
http://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-CAMERONS-AVATAR-CAST-SIGNED-POSTER-SEEN-ON-TMZ_W0QQitemZ220530126339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33589eae03 (http://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-CAMERONS-AVATAR-CAST-SIGNED-POSTER-SEEN-ON-TMZ_W0QQitemZ220530126339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33589eae03)
He's a real fan alright. :rofl
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He's still a fucking asshole, this only validates more that he's a prick.
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http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/24/james-cameron-in-major-a-hole-dispute/
Even Cameron thinks you guys are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, lmao
http://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-CAMERONS-AVATAR-CAST-SIGNED-POSTER-SEEN-ON-TMZ_W0QQitemZ220530126339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33589eae03 (http://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-CAMERONS-AVATAR-CAST-SIGNED-POSTER-SEEN-ON-TMZ_W0QQitemZ220530126339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33589eae03)
He's a real fan alright. :rofl
Cameron robbed you for your money, why not him? Seems he is justified... nice white knighting loser.
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It would be awesome if Cameron ambushed him in a dark alley and made him buy a ticket at gun-point.
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Actually that "fan" looks like a one of the member of the TMZ team, and this pretty much fits their MO; "harass celebrity X until an outburst is caught on cam."
Or, and this might be a bit confusing for some people, but Cameron could not be a dickwipe and just sign the piece of paper?
I know, I know. Confounding revelation. No no don't mind me
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I'm gonna go with what the video says. I'm sure if Cameron is so inclined he can make a 3D masterpiece evoking thought and discussion showing he is not in fact a dickless leech.
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I was going to post more, but this thread has already sapped most of my will to live. The less I post here the better. :-\
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Cameron isn't an asshole in person. You just need to know how to get his attention.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89nzzt-Mvg[/youtube]
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Cameron is an asshole, it's not some industry secret. James Horner even refused to work with him after Aliens until Cameron apologized and came begging for forgiveness prior to Titanic. His on-set tirades are pretty well known, in fact they make up most of the supplemental material on the Aliens disc set. I've got some industry acquaintances that have worked with Cameron, and also state he's a pretty big asshole.
The caveat is that the guy is a technical genius, and he really knows his shit. The vast majority of the time, when he calls a crew member out on something - it's because he's right. It's just the guy has never heard of tact.
That said, TMZ is a tabloid full of antagonistic assholes, so I'm pretty sure it's a LITTLE BIT FROM COLUMN A AND A LITTLE BIT FROM COLUMN B.
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meh, if I were a celebrity I would tell anyone with less money than me to fuck off.
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so 1 hour's salary is the standard price for stalking rights? good to know.
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I thought it was pretty well known that his nickname for Kate Winslet while shooting Titanic was Weighs-A-Lot? I mean anybody would cuss out some random douche on the street, but you'd have to be a fairly huge asshole to treat the leading actress in your film, which is the biggest budget film at the time, like that. Maybe his attitude towards his actors is why the acting seems to be the weakest parts of his movies.
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Weighs-A-Lot? More like Please-Suck-My-Dick
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Movie is awesome :rock
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Movie is awesome :rock
It better be. If it sucks, I'M COMING AFTER YOU. :punch :punch :punch :punch
We're off to go see it now.
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I hear a lot of people saying that they liked it even more after the second time they saw, which is getting me excited about going to see it again. Unfortunately, I've nearly bankrupted myself on Steam sales. :-\
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I hear if you see it a third time, it's even better. :smug
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It was a fun action flick, but that's all it was. I have no desire to ever see it again.
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I hear a lot of people saying that they liked it even more after the second time they saw, which is getting me excited about going to see it again. Unfortunately, I've nearly bankrupted myself on Steam sales. :-\
> HE CANT AFFORD A $10 MOVIE
> HE PAYS $10 TO SEE A MOVIE
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It was a fun action flick, but that's all it was. I have no desire to ever see it again.
But after you see it for the fourth time, Cameron actually gives you that much-desired reach around.
I actually got to see some neat stuff from Avatar post-production. Cameron tirelessly worked these guys, but it looks like it paid off. It will be interesting to see the true impact of Avatar, which is the increased adoption of digital 3D projectors, and whether or not Hollywood will run with the technology going forward.
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I hope that the true impact of avatar is that it stops the shakky cam during big action scenes bullshit.
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That won't stop anytime soon, because - gosh darnit! - the kids love it.
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Sounds like a troll to me.
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24 hours until my second viewing. taking dad and brother as a christmas present.
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I guess they were awfully naughty at the fistfulofmetal residence this year. :-\
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Could be worse. He could be taking them to the furry movie that doesn't have a huge battle at the end.
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It would be cool if movies could borrow some of the replayability features that have been innovated by the game world, such as New Game + and harder difficulty settings. They'd have to be adapted to fit the medium of course -- for instance, hard mode might entail an increased reliance on oblique symbolism, or dialogue delivered in increasingly thick Scottish accents.
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NG+ would be especially great for romcoms I think. Imagine if characters could retain their level of emotional maturity across viewings. It'd be massive overkill for the early relationship problems of course, but watching them not only overcome but obliterate their difficulties would just add to the catharsis.
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Scully wakes up after mating with a giant blue cat: "What the hell am I doing?!" Audience explodes with laughter. This was the highlight of the film. As for the rest, see Distantmantra's post.
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^That also happened when I watched it. This was a great theater movie, especially if you're watching it with friends.
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Willco, if EB buys you a ticket will you see the movie and give it a film review?
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It was a fun action flick, but that's all it was. I have no desire to ever see it again.
Yeah, pretty much. All the characters were pretty one-dimensional, and the story was insanely predictable-- BLUE NATIVE PEOPLE GOOD, WHITE MAN FROM URTH BAD (but a select few whites and all other races-- good too!). Still 100 times better than Wolverine, Bayformers 2, G.I. Joe, and Ninja Assassin, however. I didn't feel ripped off after watching it.
Rewatchable? Maybe a few times. Not in theaters though. With the previews included, we were at the theater for THREE HOURS. That's more than enough.
Speaking of previews, what the fuck was that Salt movie and Gladiator 2 We mean Robin Hood?
Scully wakes up after mating with a giant blue cat: "What the hell am I doing?!" Audience explodes with laughter. This was the highlight of the film. As for the rest, see Distantmantra's post.
:lol When this movie hits home (or a good cam emerges), someone needs to make "Avatar in 10 seconds," showing a few scenes of Sully learning about being a blue cat-dude and then some action, ending with him waking up and saying "What the hell am I doing?!" Cue "AVATAR" title and credits.
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I had a dream I saw Avatar last night. It was incredibly stupid and I hated it. As I left the theater, I thought, "wait...there wasn't a huge battle at the end!" I immediately knew that I was dreaming and was mad at my subconcious for wasting my time with an inaccurate version of the movie. :-\
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hmmmm
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-look-alvin-2-beats-avatar/
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hmmmm
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-look-alvin-2-beats-avatar/
Avatar is going to be #1 this weekend and have only a 9% drop from its opening weekend.
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Avatar has the legs of its blue furry love interest.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:drool
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hmmmm
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/first-look-alvin-2-beats-avatar/
Fucking incredible :bow2
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Within 30 years science will allow us to have IRL blue furry avatars, so Cameron is just giving us a glimpse of the future.
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This year's Christmas day was huge for movies. 3 of the top 4 highest grossing movies on Christmas day came out this year.
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If it weren't for my post in this thread I would have never remembered having even seen this movie.
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the final tally for tonight's showing is 5: Brother, his wife, my dad, friend of mine, and me.
I've paid for all the tickets :-\
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I am going to take all six members of my family to see Sherlock Holmes to counter fistfulofmetal.
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ah but you're not paying premium for the 3D showing. So in the end, Cameron still wins.
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How does Cameron win from me taking family members to another movie?
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He gets the pleasure of coming to your house to call you an asshole and to get out of his personal space.
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:lol This thread just keeps getting funnier by the post.
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Saw the movie in 3D tonight. Pretty good, but way too predictable. The special effects were awesome, though.
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Willco might not have wanted to get into specifics regarding Avatar's box office run, but that didn't stop PD. His domestic prediction was $160 million [which Avatar passed yesterday] and $300 million worldwide [which Avatar passed a couple of days ago].
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He was right about Spiderman 3 and Tranformers 2 cleaning up though. Just because a movie sells tickets doesn't mean it's not shit.
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He was right about Spiderman 3 and Tranformers 2 cleaning up though. Just because a movie sells tickets doesn't mean it's not shit.
Uh...I think pretty much everyone knew that those were going to clean up. They were both huge sequels to movies that grossed a ton of cash.
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And they were shit.
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And they were shit.
I don't think you'll find many people that will argue otherwise.
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That you can sell tickets to a shitty movie pretty easily. Apparently uncanny valley furries were an uncharted territory that Willco never considered which is understandable since comic book movies and robot combat are safe bets.
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Except with Avatar, most people agree that it's actually pretty good.
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And it's pretty universally agreed that the story is balls. A story that is balls for three hours usually means the movie won't have legs. This also has furry-bait so that's probably the only real draw for it.
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And it's pretty universally agreed that the story is balls. A story that is balls for three hours usually means the movie won't have legs. This also has furry-bait so that's probably the only real draw for it.
Its already showing legs, do you really think that is going to go from #1-#2 on its second week to #9 or something?
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And it's pretty universally agreed that the story is balls. A story that is balls for three hours usually means the movie won't have legs. This also has furry-bait so that's probably the only real draw for it.
When pretty much every review ends with "...but none of that matters! You absolutely MUST see this in theaters!" that should send up a few red flags that maybe this is actually going to make some money after all.
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I am going to take all six members of my family to see Sherlock Holmes to counter fistfulofmetal.
man, sherlock holmes is really enjoyable
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I'm not getting the furry stuff. The aliens have tails, but nothing struck me as "furry." The characters just act like tribal-native types and they don't have fur on their bodies.
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I'm not getting the furry stuff. The aliens have tails, but nothing struck me as "furry." The characters just act like tribal-native types and they don't have fur on their bodies.
There's nothing to "get". It's just another talking point for people that decided it was going to suck and be a financial disaster after the first teaser trailer came out.
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"furry" = a sexual attraction to anthropomorphic nonhuman types
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Return of the King cleaned up, and that wasn't shit. What's your point, am nintenho?
Return of the King was pretty crappy. Maybe the worst of the Rings flicks.
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Return of the King cleaned up, and that wasn't shit. What's your point, am nintenho?
Return of the King was pretty crappy. Maybe the worst of the Rings flicks.
Agreed. Fellowship was the only good film of the trilogy.
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They are all meh, but my favorite is ROTK.
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Return of the King isn't crappy–none of the LotR movies are. It was just not nearly as great as Fellowship was. Fellowship is one of the best movies of the decade...Return of the King is just a pretty great adventure movie.
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Return of the King is pretty crappy. It is way too long, the editing is a mess, some of the effects are ugly, the writing sucks in places (I don't care how faithful it was to a novel, this is a film) and it has like fifty different endings. Pass.
Fellowship is a legitimately good movie, though. That should have won the Oscar. Return of the King should have been retitled Return of the Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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ROTK would have been awesome if it covered the scouring of the shire. could have been epic. :'(
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Yeah, some of the omissions and some of the inclusions are baffling. But - hey! - that's Peter Jackson for you.
Even if that was included, Akala, it'd still need a lot of work. Return of the King was good for one thing, and that was completely burning me out on the entire series. I don't think I've seen the films since I left the theaters and took a piss that was as epic as anything Tolkien could ever imagine.
And I adored Fellowship, and I really dug The Two Towers. In fact, The Two Towers has kind of a special place in my heart, because it's the only film Disposable White Guy and I still reference with any sort of regularity.
But Jinfash hit the nail on the head with something that really stands out - the performances. I know the kids really liked Legolas and Gimli hamming it up, but I felt like it hit a fever pitch of ridiculousness with Return of the King. Still, the worst offender is just that it is too fucking long. And then Peter Jackson stretches it out even longer with all these fucking slow-motion shots and fifty endings and - holy shit! - I'm falling asleep just talking about it.
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ROTK would have been awesome if it covered the scouring of the shire. could have been epic. :'(
It also would have added at least another hour, if not more, to a movie that runs over fours hours long.
And all of the LotR movies are good.
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All of them are good.*
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*Except the last one.
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All of them are good.*
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*Except the last one.
All of them are good, including the last one. I'd even agree that RotK is the weakest though, despite quite a few very good scenes.
Nothing can top the first two, though. Solid gold, they are.
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Return of the King is the cinematic equivalent of chamomile tea.
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Return of the King is the cinematic equivalent of chamomile tea.
And yet I've watched it all the way through on several occasions, enjoying it each time.
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Hey, there's nothing wrong with being a masochist. This is America, you can do whatever you want to yourself.
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I've actually never seen ROTK again all the way through outside of theaters. I have the extended cut...but I just can't finish it in a sitting.
I don't hate the movie or anything, but I think my initial dissapointment in the flick maybe forever ruined it for me.
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Hey, there's nothing wrong with being a masochist. This is America, you can do whatever you want to yourself.
That doesn't make any sense, given your previous analogy.
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Man. RealD is so much better than my IMAX 3D. it's mind blowing the difference. the depth added to all the scenes was completely absent in the IMAX 3D showing.
All 4 people I brought with me really loved the movie. this'll be my final theater showing until a rip is released then the 3D Bluray (which i'll be upgrading my TV for)
after this I don't want to watch any more movies that arent in REALD
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I'm not getting the furry stuff. The aliens have tails, but nothing struck me as "furry." The characters just act like tribal-native types and they don't have fur on their bodies.
A "furry" is somebody who enjoys animal features on a humanoid body, which would include the Navi obviously. The reason it applies to this film is how the main character gradually sheds his humanity which literally climaxes with him fucking an alien. That's all really kind of sad. With the horrible story and cheesy Navi culture and all the reviewers orgasming over the blue bitch supposedly being sexy...
And it's pretty universally agreed that the story is balls. A story that is balls for three hours usually means the movie won't have legs. This also has furry-bait so that's probably the only real draw for it.
When pretty much every review ends with "...but none of that matters! You absolutely MUST see this in theaters!" that should send up a few red flags that maybe this is actually going to make some money after all.
It's more realistic to assume that the average viewer just looked at the review score and the names on the poster and ignored all of the text.
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Sounds like Avatar is the biggest, most successful, overrated phenomena in entertainment since the Wii
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rotk is crap
two towers is crap
fellowship is the only one i can still watch
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Starting to look like the movie INCREASED this weekend. Where am your gods now?
Avatar: Titanic 2: Furry Bugaloo
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It's already at $416 million worldwide.
Willcowned.
Thats before the weekend, FYI.
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$75 million for the weekend, beating out all newcomers to the box office. That's a drop of 2.6% from last weekend and puts it at a close second behind Dark Knight for top second weekend ever.
With the foreign gross from Thursday-Sunday, it should jump up to $600-$650 million.
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I don't see how people can claim it has a bad story. It's got a simple story that's well told. The only thing that I can point at and say "that could be better" is the few awkward dialogue choices.
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I don't see how people can claim it has a bad story. It's got a simple story that's well told. The only thing that I can point at and say "that could be better" is the few awkward dialogue choices.
Much like a lot of things in this thread, hyperbole has stretched reality in both directions.
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I don't see how people can claim it has a bad story. It's got a simple story that's well told. The only thing that I can point at and say "that could be better" is the few awkward dialogue choices.
Much like a lot of things in this thread, hyperbole has stretched reality in both directions.
Agreed but i think some of the hyperbole was aimed at fucking with Green Shinobi since he was taking this shit too fucking seriously :lol
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After what this Avatar situation has turned out to be, I think it's pretty clear it will change the way movies are made. 3D is a big reason it's making such bank and I expect to see a time in the near future where at least 70% of all movies released will have 3D options.
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rotk is crap
two towers is crap
fellowship is the only one i can still watch
::)
All three are great. I can understand someone not liking the editing and pacing (ie ent scenes) in TTT/ROTK, but both are at least good movies.
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$615 million worldwide through 10 days.
Also of note, Sherlock Holmes shattered the record for Christmas opening and this weekend is the highest grossing weekend in America.
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So what does the apparent success of Avatar mean for the future of typography? Will Papyrus become even more prevalent?
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Agreed but i think some of the hyperbole was aimed at fucking with Green Shinobi since he was taking this shit too fucking seriously :lol
Almost all of that came from Willco. And to be honest, I doubt I would have taken it so seriously at all if he hadn't tried to discredit my taste in movies/music and say that I'm not capable of making good judgments regarding films because I happened to like one that he's never even seen, but wants to see fail for whatever strange reason.
... but you're not, as evident by:
- Peter Jackson's King Kong.
- You think Avatar should be nominated for Best Picture after everyone laughed you off the forum.
P.S. I never wished for it to fail, considering I have acquaintances that worked on it. The difference between thinking a Best Picture nomination is stupid and the budget was ridiculous and actively rooting for it fail (see: Patel) is in your mind, because you're a dummy.
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Again, how am I annihilated when we thought this was going to happen? The only thing annihilated is the Academy's credibility once it happens.
Oh yeah, because you're insane.
Why don't you lecture us some more on the characterization of Avatar versus that of robots and raptors, you idiot. :lol
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Even though Avatar isn't my favorite movie of the year, I would love to see James Cameron win the Oscar for either best director or best picture or both.
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You were the one that got laughed at for comparing human antagonists to robots and raptors, then coming up with lame characterization arguments against people who saw the movie.
But what do I expect with a person with no grasp on fundamental creative writing, storytelling, etc.
So now you're not only saying you have better taste than me, but you have better taste than the Academy?
Again, this is going to be so sweet to use once some flick you hate wins and you try to play the "bu bu bu bu critics" card.
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But is the story better than Xenosaga? :smug
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I wouldn't go down the "Respected %insert medium here% community knows better than you" road, GS, shits like the Grammy's
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No, please let him, BlueTsunami.
It's almost as good as the "But it was wildly successful at the box-office! That definitely means it's good!" argument.
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:rofl
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Oh my god :lol
ETHER
"But it was wildly successful at the box-office! That definitely means it's good!".
:greenshinobi
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BURN
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Probably. Not all of us can write compelling fiction like
Pocahantas Dances with Wolves The Last Samurai Ferngully Avatar.
You sure showed me!*
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*You're such an idiot, dude. :lol
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Actually, what I said is that it was going to get nominated, even though it didn't deserve it. You probably didn't read that, on account of your lack of fundamental comprehension skills - hence why you think Avatar is so great. I'm guessing you got distracted by shiny objects half way in and confused that with characterization.
P.S. You're talking to the poster that freely admits that anything he writes will be only half as good as Candy Land: The Motion Picture, you can't really insult a self-deprecating Jew, but you're welcome try.
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I'm laughing at how GS has gone from normal angry, to all "mea culpa" and now angrier then ever!
Here's a theatrical rendition of GS's mannerisms when posting on Evilbore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok
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ITT, the guy who likes Muse and King Kong makes an idiot of himself comparing human protagonists to rabbits and raptors, then equates awards to great taste - despite the fact that it is a rocky round to go down, but - hey! - he is an idiot, so what does he know?
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I'm laughing at how GS has gone from normal angry, to all "mea culpa" and now angrier then ever!
Obviously, that month long break from the Internet really served him well.
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Dude's a joke. Creating EB was the only good thing the man has ever done in his life.
oh my gawd
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RIDE THE TIDE
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Laughter is the best medicine, Green Shinobi. I hope you get help, bro. :-\
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so how bout that Avatar? Pretty great movie. I'm still pretty amazed at how awesome RealD is compared to IMAX 3D. During the scene where Jake was being chased by the Thanator there was a very natural depth to everything. It wasn't like I was watching Friday The 13th 3D where they shoved a metal rod into your face and went OOOOO 3D!! Just a normal scene that has that much more weight to it because I could see the character moving into the distance and it actually felt like he was moving away from me. Also I managed to get a few glimpses of Neytiri's nips in a few scenes.
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Did you see it in IMAX 3D or LieMAX 3D?
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I saw it in 2D.*
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* Twenty years ago, when it was called Ferngully.
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I know you were probably dining on rabbit back when you got your clown shoes from Korean Clown Academy of Fine Arts & Political Science, and perhaps missed Creative Writing 101 when we learned that we do not write human and non-human antagonists the same way.
But hey, what should I expect from the poster that tries to insult me with a Candy Land joke that I invented.
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Did you see it in IMAX 3D or LieMAX 3D?
I saw it first in legit IMAX 3D. But maybe that theater is just shitty. Or thats just how it is. No idea. And I'm not gonna go see anything else in IMAX 3D to confirm. The projection IMAX 3D technique pales in comparison to Digital RealD.
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The doodles I made in third grade probably had better storytelling than whatever piece of shit script you're working on, Fatco.
:lol
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As you were busy getting shut down or placated with a fake telephone number by every girl in the classroom (protip: you probably shouldn't hit on girls while you have jizz stains on your shirt)...
Not everyone can date mentally insane broads. Sorry, dudebro, you got me there.
you probably missed the part where we learned that although human and non-human antagonists are written differently, there can actually be common elements between the two.
... Like what? That they can both be antagonists? You should call UC Santa Barbara and get your tuition back. They hosed you.
But what should I expect from a guy better suited to writing porn than to writing anything of substance? Keep working out. Maybe after your script fails to sell you can get a role in some porno. I hear the Four Inches of Fury series needs a new leading man.
Big talk from a guy who can't even land a girl in Korea.
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Green Shinobi tries to be better poster, fails.
I don't think he really tried.
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Hey, go easy on the guy. He left for a month! An entire month!
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Autistic girl: "Is that a cum stain on your shirt?"
Wilco: "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
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Dude, Arvie, I've been rocking the cum stain on my jeans for awhile now and let me tell you, nothing drives the men more wild than the smell of seawater on your crotch.
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Again, this is from you - the guy who compared characterization from the human protagonist in Avatar to robots and velociraptors. :dur
Keep practicing though. Maybe you can give Gloppy the depth he's always been missing in previous incarnations.
My goal is to give Gloppy the character depth than Glen Shinobi would desire (i.e. none). I figure once it's in 3D, you'll thank me later.
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so how bout that Avatar? Pretty great movie. I'm still pretty amazed at how awesome RealD is compared to IMAX 3D. During the scene where Jake was being chased by the Thanator there was a very natural depth to everything. It wasn't like I was watching Friday The 13th 3D where they shoved a metal rod into your face and went OOOOO 3D!! Just a normal scene that has that much more weight to it because I could see the character moving into the distance and it actually felt like he was moving away from me. Also I managed to get a few glimpses of Neytiri's nips in a few scenes.
during part where he jumps into the river every one in the theater was like "woah"
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I know hey. Drives dogs wild too. Nothing like being greeted with a wet nose in your crotch and a waggling tail.
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Some animal loving for the furry movie thread
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That was my favorite part. The river jumping, not Arvie's admission that he rapes dogs.
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I'm downloading the Avatar game for shits and giggles.
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None of which you described were applicable in Avatar, hence why you were laughed at by anyone worth a damn. I mean, even am nintenho was able to talk down to you. And that's just sad man.
Get help, bro. Before it's too late. :-\
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Man, Willco you sure did a lot of things during them lectures.
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I don't see how people can claim it has a bad story. It's got a simple story that's well told. The only thing that I can point at and say "that could be better" is the few awkward dialogue choices.
Nothing about the premise is original and the way it tells the story feels very, very formulaic and predictable. We went over this I think when this thread was in the 20's. There's just nothing creative/talented about what's in the script itself and what the "actors" do and so all the 2.5 hours of exposition is just annoying. The only reason the story bothered me personally is because there's too little action and too much (shit) story. For example, I was fine with Titanic, another three hour CGI-fest, because I thought Dicaprio and Winslet did were able to bring some charm. I felt nothing at all for any of the characters for three goddamn hours.
I would agree that the story is simple but it is also badly told.
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Mostly I just browsed a lot of porn apparently. Take that, higher education!
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I would agree that the story is simple but it is also badly told.
well we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
But I :wtf at you calling Titanic a three hour CGI-fest.
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It was lauded for it's special effects and budget iirc but I was like 9 at the time.
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Yeah, I guess that's why Stephen Lang will definitely get that Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination. OH WAIT.
... I'll play a game with you to also show how ridiculous you are. For every quote from a major publication that praises Stephen Lang and his character, I will post one that says Avatar's story and/or characters are pretty mediocre - if not bad altogether. Let's see who can outdo the other. Game? Ready to put your money where your mouth is?
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I said that I liked a character who has been getting high praise from a number of reputable critics. Damn, you and am nintenho really showed me!
who gives a fuck? I made it pretty clear what I didn't like about the story. That didn't change after reading how sexy ebert though neytiri was. maybe it changed your opinion, I dunno?
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It was lauded for it's special effects and budget iirc but I was like 9 at the time.
I was just confused because something like 2012 or Transformers can be considered a CGI fest. Titanic had: the boat itself. I can't really remember that much else that was CGI in that movie.
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Quaritch is pretty badass, willco, you should just keep insulting GS and stfu about the movie until you actually see it.
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I was just confused because something like 2012 or Transformers can be considered a CGI fest. Titanic had: the boat itself. I can't really remember that much else that was CGI in that movie.
It had a blend of CGI and really authentic looking sets but yeah, it aws praised for how realistic and accurate everything was or whatever. It blew a lot of money basically.
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I will never see Avatar, but if Glen really thinks that Lang's character is such an awesome character that reputable critics are raving about him, I'd love for him to show that more reputable critics think he's a great character than the ones that think the story and characters are pretty mediocre to awful altogether.
Why? Because I've seen scant praise for Lang, whereas almost all of it has been for Zoe Saldana, but Green Shinobi feels like trying to recover some kind of dignity he lost when comparing a shitty antagonist to raptors and robots.
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... I'll play a game with you to also show how ridiculous you are. For every quote from a major publication that praises Stephen Lang and his character, I will post one that says Avatar's story and/or characters are pretty mediocre - if not bad altogether. Let's see who can outdo the other. Game? Ready to put your money where your mouth is?
Hey, get in line! He hasn't completed my challenge yet.
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Zoe Saldana :bow2
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All I read was:
"Damn, he called my bluff and I look like a moron. O WELL THANK GOD I HAVE WORK TO ESCAPE TO!"
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Just saw it for the third time :bow :bow2 Aaaaand Im spent. No more Avatar until Bluray.
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But the fourth time is when Cameron gives you the reach around!
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In that case, maybe once more!
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Just saw it for the third time :bow :bow2 Aaaaand Im spent. No more Avatar until Bluray.
Will you be upgrading your setup to 3D?
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lock this thread, leper all avatar fans
the movie is an unwatchable atrocity, even the fancy 3d glasses cannot calibrate against extreme eye rolling
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Gonna go see it again before the year ends.
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lock this thread, leper all avatar fans
the movie is an unwatchable atrocity, even the fancy 3d glasses cannot calibrate against extreme eye rolling
you should take the family. your children would love it.
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i only have one daughter, and she is not allowed out of the prayer closet on weekends. my wife says the movie is disgusting furry propaganda and is only watched by intellectually damaged manchildren and people who fantasize about raccoon anuses when masturbating.
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Its better than pokemon.
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i only have one daughter, and she is not allowed out of the prayer closet on weekends. my wife says the movie is disgusting furry propaganda and is only watched by intellectually damaged manchildren and people who fantasize about raccoon anuses when masturbating.
your name's not Arthur Mitchell, right?
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asking me to choose between pokemon and avatar is like asking me what i'd rather have inserted down my urethra: pikachu or master chief
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arthur mitchell, the first black principal dancer in a ballet company? nope.
my full name is william xenologos federman, junior.
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bu-bu-bu it's been nominated for an academy award! :avatar
surely the film's quality is now beyond rebuke.
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:greenshinobi I think that somehow I've come to use this forum as a place to unload all the anger and stress that has built up in my real life.
:avatar The doodles I made in third grade probably had better storytelling than whatever piece of shit script you're working on, Fatco.
someone needs to work up a treatment for Dr. Glen and Mr. Shinobi
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In REAL3D, of course
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Nuke this thread from orbit.
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*facepalm* at this fucking thread :-\
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TRUTH BOMBS FROM ORBIT:
Both Willco and GS are insulting the shit out of each other and claiming THEY'RE the ones who aren't taking it seriously and that the other guy should learn to relax.
Both of them will post to deny this.
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perhaps they should resolve their dispute in the manner of men of olde
by fucking, of course; like i even need to spoiler this
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The Bore's first PPV? I feel a Photoshop coming on! Will they get it on or will they GET IT ON?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jinfaaaaassssh! Bluuuuueeee!
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it should satisfy every documented borean sexual fetish sans one: bears, bbws, crying, buttplugs, anal in general, libertarianism, and of course rape.
to hit ALL the bore pervo buttons, we'll need himu and his toddler-leg-sized chocosabre to participate
and in honor of avatar: make willco wear a crotchless lion suit
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I will be watching this in RealD tonight. I'm preparing to embrace my inner furry.
Also:
Avatar. Is. The. Best. Theatrical. Experience. Ever.
:o
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Solo is not right in this instance. It's merely an ok experience.
Of course I didn't see this in IMAX.
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Solo is not right in this instance. It's merely an ok experience.
Of course I didn't see this in IMAX.
I saw it on Cinemark's new IMAX competitor and it was an amazing experience.
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It was really fucking cool in 3D yeah, but I don't know. I still think I had one of the best theatre experiences in The Dark Knight's IMAX viewing.
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TRUTH BOMBS FROM ORBIT:
Both Willco and GS are insulting the shit out of each other and claiming THEY'RE the ones who aren't taking it seriously and that the other guy should learn to relax.
Both of them will post to deny this.
Real Talk.
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it was certainly the best movie theater experience I've had in a long time.
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I still think I had one of the best theatre experiences in The Dark Knight's IMAX viewing.
That was one of my worst experiences. But I blame it on it being a dome IMAX theater.
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Ew yeah, wtf were you doing there seeing Dark Knight?
I saw it in one of the best IMAX theaters in the entire Midwest and it was fuckawesome. That opening shot with the window being blasted out...omg
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TRUTH BOMBS FROM ORBIT:
Both Willco and GS are insulting the shit out of each other and claiming THEY'RE the ones who aren't taking it seriously and that the other guy should learn to relax.
Both of them will post to deny this.
NOT IF I POST FIRST
EDIT: And to be honest, I do care, but only because I want Green Shinobi to commit suicide, so I can be on CNN as "Internet bully admits to provoking Avatar-related suicide by obsessed fan".
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Real talk: everyone should stop talking about wanting to push people into committing suicide, please.
except when its related to manabyte.
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Jinfash, are you in danger of abusing prescription medication or using physical force to end your life prematurely, because I didn't update that emoticon?
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About the emoticon? Dude, I'm sorry.
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Dude's a joke. Creating EB was the only good thing the man has ever done in his life.
To be fair, he did meet Morgan Webb
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I consider that a low point in my life. I mean, I've met actual celebrities - like Quentin Tarantino, Hank Azaria, that dude from Bones, etc.
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Jinfash, are you in danger of abusing prescription medication or using physical force to end your life prematurely, because I didn't update that emoticon?
:wtf
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Was Quentin an ass? Seems like one
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your face seems like an ass
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Dude's a joke. Creating EB was the only good thing the man has ever done in his life.
To be fair, he did meet Morgan Webb
I've met Morgan Webb, big whoop!
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Dude's a joke. Creating EB was the only good thing the man has ever done in his life.
To be fair, he did meet Morgan Webb
I've met Morgan Webb, big jaw!
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Was Quentin an ass? Seems like one
He was cool up until the point where a bunch of people figured out who he was and started pressuring him to take pictures and shit.
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EB has a long history of inciting people towards suicide. The wolf-pack has to deal with its Omegas somehow.
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So what happened to the new gentler, kinder Green Shinobi?
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GS is really losing his grip on reality.
I'd like to hope that he leaves the internet and turns into a normal, well functioning person, but given how he drops friends over having his ex on their Facebook Friends list, I don't think that is the case.
Get help, man.
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At first I thought he was just catching feelings on the Internet, which happens to everyone at some point, but now I'm thinking he's actually got some weird bipolar thing.
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what the fuck happened over xmas? I step away for a week and this is the result? :-\
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A week? Big deal. Green Shinobi left for a full 24 hours to gain some much-needed perspective.
pilonv1 annihilated.
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EB has a long history of inciting people towards suicide.
Yeah but I don't think anyone's been this close since TVC's terrorizing of Bz'chan
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what the fuck happened over xmas? I step away for a week and this is the result? :-\
:greenshinobi
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what the fuck happened over xmas? I step away for a week and this is the result? :-\
:greenshinobi
:avatar
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A week? Big deal. Green Shinobi left for a full 24 hours to gain some much-needed perspective.
pilonv1 annihilated.
indeed :gloomy
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New Avatar discussion thread. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32864.0)