Avatar: Willco still hates it

[Solo]

Nice! Love to see that its doing amazingly well.

[Tieno]

Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.

Willco is a typical gaf member. He rather reads reviews than watch a movie. He's a cheerleader, not a player. He's a jew.

[The Fake Shemp]

There's a difference between being entertained and worship. I thought Solo and Great Rumbler were pretty reasonable with their responses on why they like the movie, see anything Green Shinobi writes for what is gag-inducing.

I also expect critics to know better. Don't tell me that Avatar is a shallow, spectacle-driven enterprise of pure 3D magick and give it your highest score (or award nominations, no less). There's nothing wrong with recommending a film on spectacle alone, but then there is a line you cross when you give it a pass just for eye candy. You almost legitimize it as a great film, which is something even I haven't even done with various pop films that I have enjoyed (Zombieland, Paranormal Activity, etc.) due to the venue or their style.

... And I have no desire to see a film that is by all accounts, even from its most enthusiastic supporters, a retread of various cliches and features a disposable story. I'm not a big enough fan of the art style or Cameron to deal with that.

Willco is a typical gaf member. He rather reads reviews than watch a movie. He's a cheerleader, not a player. He's a jew.

This doesn't even make any sense!

[Great Rumbler]

I went with 5 people to see it last night and even those who didn't really care for it all that much admitted that it was well worth seeing [at $15].

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't get that. They didn't care for it, but admitted it's worth spending $15 to see? Doesn't that mean, more likely, that they did like it?

I'm at a point in my life that I simply do not pay money to see something that I have no interest in seeing. If the concept of colorful, Crayola-inspired worlds filled with furries and rehashed mech designs got me excited, I probably would.

But it doesn't.

The fact that the story is dispensable by most people's standards, even its fans, and is largely a retread of about fifty other films I have already seen, pretty much seals the deal. I've seen many digital 3D films, so I don't really need a tech demo.

[AdmiralViscen]

Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.

Qft. Willco is the worst poster ever. Demi should cap the length of his posts.

And frequency for that matter. He has like 30% of the posts in this topic.

[The Fake Shemp]

Dude, don't be hurt. You can still whack off to Navies or whatever the fuck they're called.

[Tieno]

Willco you're the most active member in a thread for a movie you don't give a shit about. You keep grinding your sandy vagina on the same points. Stfu and stop trolling your own forum.

[The Fake Shemp]

... I'm the most active poster in a topic on the forum I created about the biggest mainstream film release - of which I have acquaintances that worked on said film - of the winter and that surprises you?

Maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive, but what can we expect from Avatar fans.

[Diunx]

The Braveheart style speech was one of the best scenes in the movie, people where fucking cheering and clapping with the na'vis.

[Tieno]

... I'm the most active poster in a topic on the forum I created about the biggest mainstream film release - of which I have acquaintances that worked on said film - of the winter and that surprises you?

Maybe you shouldn't be so sensitive, but what can we expect from Avatar fans.

No, you're the most active member in a thread about a movie you don't give a shit about and won't see.

[The Fake Shemp]

I never said I didn't care about the production. I even believe I stipulated the reasons why I do. That doesn't mean I want to see it or have any desire to. People can talk about entertainment they haven't seen, especially when it is industry relevant.

... Not to mention, outside of just trolling Glen Shinobi, nobody has criticized Cameron's flick for being anything other than what its fans even say it is - a 3D spectacle with one-dimensional characters.

[demi]

Why is it gag inducing? whats so bad about critics and regular moviegoers loving this? you should just watch the fucking movie already.

Qft. Willco is the worst poster ever. Demi should cap the length of his posts.

And frequency for that matter. He has like 30% of the posts in this topic.

He will probably reset his post count again

[The Fake Shemp]

What.

[OptimoPeach]

The Braveheart style speech was one of the best scenes in the movie, people where fucking cheering and clapping with the na'vis.

The only thing gayer than that speech is the people that cheer and clap in theaters

[Mandark]

Last time Cameron made a movie, I talked unrelenting smack about it without having seen it.  It had a lot of fans who were emotionally invested in the film and sometimes took this personally.  They were all pretty vehement about me having to watch the thing.

Having rented it on video later, I think I was vindicated.

[Flannel Boy]

What.

 

[demi]

What.

Wow man it's like you were never in this thread. Problem solved! Thank you for bringing this up with the administration, AdmiralViscen

[The Fake Shemp]

... Anyone that is so worked up about the fact that I have not seen the film is free to PayPal me the cost of a ticket and a large coke, and I'll go see Avatar in all three dimensions.

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Who am I kidding, I will spend it on DLC.

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[AdmiralViscen]

There's a difference between being entertained and worship. I thought Solo and Great Rumbler were pretty reasonable with their responses on why they like the movie, see anything Green Shinobi writes for what is gag-inducing.

I also expect critics to know better. Don't tell me that Avatar is a shallow, spectacle-driven enterprise of pure 3D magick and give it your highest score (or award nominations, no less). There's nothing wrong with recommending a film on spectacle alone, but then there is a line you cross when you give it a pass just for eye candy. You almost legitimize it as a great film, which is something even I haven't even done with various pop films that I have enjoyed (Zombieland, Paranormal Activity, etc.) due to the venue or their style.

... And I have no desire to see a film that is by all accounts, even from its most enthusiastic supporters, a retread of various cliches and features a disposable story. I'm not a big enough fan of the art style or Cameron to deal with that.

Willco is a typical gaf member. He rather reads reviews than watch a movie. He's a cheerleader, not a player. He's a jew.

This doesn't even make any sense!

Rofl. Yea I wonder what he means. Lol

[The Fake Shemp]

Yes, because I quite often come under fire for not seeing films, and uh Jews don't see films? Wait, what?

Tieno is just hurt because he is invested in the three-dimensional emotional plight of the furry cat creatures, but it's okay, I won't forsake him. Once everyone takes the fanboy glasses off - literally - I will be there to embrace them once they realize it's not a very good film after they catch it on cable a year from now.

[Tieno]

Willco just doesn't like being called a jew.

[The Fake Shemp]

You have cut me deep with your accurate description of my religious background, Tieno. This must be how my Catholic friends feel when I call them Christians. :'(

[Mandark]

He's dropping a hard J.

[The Fake Shemp]

 

[AdmiralViscen]

I think you're being a cockbag and i liked the movie less than everyone I know. It'd be nice if a viewpoint other than your own (over and over)could be seen in this thread.Gaffer.

[The Fake Shemp]

To be fair, you've always thought I was a cockbag. It's not like this is a new development or anything.

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The gaffer remark hurt, bro. :'(

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[AdmiralViscen]

How do u do greater than and less than symbols on android? I wanna compare you to duckman and amirox

[Agent Whiskers]

Best James Cameron movie of the decade.

[Joe Molotov]

Wilco is just hating on Hollywood because he can't get Candyland greenlit.

[Solo]

I will shed a tear for Willco when he inevitably sees this on TV interlaced on like a 20 inch set with stereo sound.

[AdmiralViscen]

cohen

[The Fake Shemp]

Wilco is just hating on Hollywood because he can't get Candyland greenlit.

Candy Land will make 3D look like 2D.

I will shed a tear for Willco when he inevitably sees this on TV interlaced on like a 20 inch set with stereo sound.

Too bad I'm getting a Blu-ray 3D setup for free.

[demi]

http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/avatar.html

Humans have come for one thing.... Unobtainium, a metal that was at one point... unobtainable

[ManaByte]

Well one thing about it is that it is the best 3D I've ever seen and I've seen a ton of IMAX 3D and digital 3D movies. Most 3D has a weird shimmering effect, the Shrek 3D trailer before Avatar showed it. But Avatar is completely clear in 3D. I sat dead center in the theater and had non of the blurriness that some people complain about. The 3D was perfect, but you've seen this same story told a million times before.

[Kestastrophe]

I think at this point we can talk about where this ranks in the Cameron library. For me, it's:

1) Aliens
2) Terminator 2/Avatar tied

 

I wanted to avoid this thread until I had seen the movie, so I went this afternoon. What a fucking joke. I had no idea that this was going to be a kids movie. The characters were sooooooo simplified to their traditional archetypes/tropes and every plot point was predictable from a mile away

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-"watch out for this huge flying monster. He's really big and scary, but my grandfather was able to fly it and its only happened four times and whenever the monster picks a rider all of the tribes are united, etc." :eyeroll

-Same goes for the body transfer via spirit tree

-Not even going to get into the end fight with the villain  , suffice it to say its a three part bossfight ala Nintendo

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It was a good movie for kids, as everything was laid out in front of the viewer with no subtlety whatsoever, I just wish that they were selling it as such. It was not a good film when compared to its contemporaries (i.e. The Last Samurai, Dancing with Wolves, etc.) and it was obvious that Cameron was trying to make a film appealing to the masses.

http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/avatar.html

Humans have come for one thing.... Unobtainium, a metal that was at one point... unobtainable

I couldn't believe my ears. I had to ask my wife after the movie if they really called the mineral they were mining for "Unobtainium"

[fistfulofmetal]

when people where talking about the Unobtainium stuff I totally didn't get what the problem was. then i saw the movie and realized i was mispronouncing it in my head the entire time.

I literally said. "Oh..... ohhhhh... "

[ManaByte]

The only way you can enjoy the story and characters and be emotionally attached is if you've never seen Lawrence of Arabia, Dances With Wolves, The Last Samurai, or Ferngully.

[Solo]

I dont get why simple = bad in so many people's minds. Another thing that is starting to grate is the incessant unoriginality criticisms. This movie is getting dragged through the mud for being Pocahontas/Dances with Wolves/Last Samurai in space, and while thats true, why are the other 100 derivative blockbusters released yearly given a free pass?

Pirates of the Caribbean 2 is nothing more than a bloated, inferior Empire Strikes Back, but no one is bringing that up.

[OptimoPeach]

Well one thing about it is that it is the best 3D I've ever seen and I've seen a ton of IMAX 3D and digital 3D movies. Most 3D has a weird shimmering effect, the Shrek 3D trailer before Avatar showed it. But Avatar is completely clear in 3D. I sat dead center in the theater and had non of the blurriness that some people complain about. The 3D was perfect, but you've seen this same story told a million times before.

I guess I'm in the minority when I say that I still think it's distracting and gimmicky

[Kestastrophe]

Pirates of the Carribean 2 was much better than Avatar. The characters and their motives were actually interesting

[demi]

"I see you" haha

[Kestastrophe]

it doesn't mean see like "see", it means that you are looking into the spirit of someone 

[Solo]

The characters and their motives were actually interesting

Did you see a different cut than me?

[The Fake Shemp]

Let's look at what the critics are saying, Glen! Keep in mind, these are the positive reviews:

For all the grandeur and technical virtuosity of the mythical 3-D universe Cameron labored for years to perfect, his characters are one-dimensional, rarely saying anything unexpected. But for much of the movie, that hardly matters.

Along with the eye-popping visuals in writer-director James Cameron's sci-fi epic, there's also a lot of eye-rollingly silly stuff.

Perhaps the most surprising thing about Cameron's visual accomplishments is that they are so powerful we're barely troubled by the same weakness for flat dialogue and obvious characterization that put such a dent in "Titanic."

In terms of plot, then, this is “Dances With Wolves.’’ Seriously: It’s the same movie, re-imagined as a speculative-anthropological freak-out. Because Cameron is a visionary and a perfectionist, though, it’s possible to get lost in his created world, and this is where “Avatar’’ thoroughly lives up to its hype.

A movie whose effects are clearly revolutionary, a spectacle that millions will find adventure in. But it nevertheless feels unsatisfying and somehow lacks the pulse of a truly alive film.

As visual spectacle, Avatar is indelible, but as a movie it all but evaporates as you watch it.

If only Cameron, who also wrote the script, had spent as much time on the story as he did the effects he uses to tell it.

There is Avatar as an unconditionally innovative achievement providing the latest and greatest in 3-D photography and computer-generated imagery: the new. And there is Avatar as an clumsy and cliché-filled drama: the old. The new Avatar gets an A; the old Avatar gets an F (earning its C average).

The most-hyped movie of the year just about merits it. Avatar isn't a perfect film — and a few clichés short of a great one — but at its best, it'll fry your brain.

Is the dialogue corny? You bet. Does the movie go kerblooey in its final moments, during a ferocious, explosive firefight that will leave your eyeballs bleeding? Uh-huh. But Cameron has delivered what he promised with "Avatar": an ambitious, fully immersive cinematic experience.

Sounds like Best Picture to me!

This movie is getting dragged through the mud for being Pocahontas/Dances with Wolves/Last Samurai in space, and while thats true, why are the other 100 derivative blockbusters released yearly given a free pass?

They don't. The amount of hyperbole heaped on this film is ridiculous, as evident by the positive reviews listed above! It's amazing!*

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* minus the characters and dialogue.

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[Solo]

Sounds like the reviewers are saying "its a James Cameron movie"

[The Fake Shemp]

Sounds like the reviewers are saying "its a James Cameron movie"

I was unaware his other genre films were nominated for serious awards, or lauded as the best picture of the year? Outside of Titanic, has he ever received this kind of love? Really?

C'mon, we know each other! Searching your feelings, Solo...

[The Fake Shemp]

Cherry-picked quotes.

I'm done arguing about a film with a guy who hasn't seen it.

I pulled these quotes from the positive Rotten Tomatoes reviews, most of them from the front page!

... If I wanted to cherry pick, wouldn't I have pulled from the NEGATIVE reviews?

[The Fake Shemp]

Again, I must have missed the Best Picture nominations for Terminator 2 and Aliens. O WAIT.

[Solo]

Sounds like the reviewers are saying "its a James Cameron movie"

I was unaware his other genre films were nominated for serious awards, or lauded as the best picture of the year? Outside of Titanic, has he ever received this kind of love? Really?

C'mon, we know each other! Searching your feelings, Solo...

Its post-dated love he was due years ago  

[Kestastrophe]

The characters and their motives were actually interesting

Did you see a different cut than me?

So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?

I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.

[fistfulofmetal]

I pulled these quotes from the positive Rotten Tomatoes reviews, most of them from the front page!

... If I wanted to cherry pick, wouldn't I have pulled from the NEGATIVE reviews?

You still don't much context for what's being said about the movie.

[The Fake Shemp]

I apologize, Terminator 2 was nominated for Best Picture...

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... for an MTV Movie Award.

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[Solo]

The characters and their motives were actually interesting

Did you see a different cut than me?

So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?

I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.

We're arguing different things. Im saying that the characters arent interesting, and youre saying the movie was unpredictable. I dont disagree - even the writers didnt know what was going on.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm not fan or reading reviews' text of movies, but is it unusual for critics to unanimously point out any shortcomings in a generally well received movie?

There was bound to be flaws, ones that more than a critic would notice, but still doesn't affect the final judgment since they're being outweighed by the positives.

I don't think any film is perfect, but I would say when the film is consistently cited for its poor screenplay, that is a pretty significant flaw - especially when you're talking about the film in context of BEST PICTURE OF THE YEAR.

Or is this just a reaction for the Golden Globes' nominations (the award show you previously dismissed)?

I probably wouldn't care about the Globes nominations if I wasn't so sure they were likely to translate into Oscar nominations. Although, that is probably for the best - we might as well throw away any legitimacy they might have had.

And by the way, even Terminator 2 and Aliens, which were very well reviewed, never made it on any significant all-time lists (other than the AFI list for Top 10 science-fiction films) or serious awards consideration. Because critics were able to separate what constitutes as good pop entertainment or good science-fiction from classic cinema. Internet geeks cannot. It's sad that those sensibilities are transferring over to the press.

[OptimoPeach]

The characters and their motives were actually interesting

Did you see a different cut than me?

So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?

I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.

We're arguing different things. Im saying that the characters arent interesting, and youre saying the movie was unpredictable. I dont disagree - even the writers didnt know what was going on.

Sounds like LOST

[Solo]

The characters and their motives were actually interesting

Did you see a different cut than me?

So you saw it coming that Keira Knightley was going to leave Jack for dead? And then wanted to rescue him towards the end after feeling regret?

I'm not gonna argue that it was a great film, because I don't think that and its irrelevant, but it was certainly more interesting than Avatar.

We're arguing different things. Im saying that the characters arent interesting, and youre saying the movie was unpredictable. I dont disagree - even the writers didnt know what was going on.

Sounds like LOST

I also dont disagree with this Im the most vocal "they arent planning any of this shit out" fan you'll find

[The Fake Shemp]

Solo gets bashed as a hater on that other site. I still love him, though.

[Solo]

I just speak my mind. Whether that gets me hate, love or indifference is inconsequential

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, if you remove Shinobi's fanaticism, this thread really is a homoerotic lovefest - personal opinions aside.

Because I know at the end of the day, Solo and I can truly appreciate fine art.*

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*Daniel Craig Bond movies.

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