Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread

[Madrun Badrun]

xxx 3, so dumb.  liked it. 

[chronovore]

Over the last two days, while bored off my ass, I tried three times to watch that Avengers Confidential anime by Mad House, with Punisher and Black Widow in it. Fucking christ, never fucking again. If I'm going to watch some uneven, poorly-considered, stupid anime, I'd rather do it with characters that I don't care about. Jesus.

Worse than Batman vs Superman.

Worse than Suicide Squad.

Worse than being drafted as a fluffer room attendant at the 2018 Seattle Furry Convention.

[Momo]

I started A Cure for Wellness a few times, but just never found the strength to go past 25 mins, I dunno what it is about that film.

[fistfulofmetal]

Alien: Covenant was so friggin boring and dull. It's like Fox took the criticism from Prometheus and swung it hard in the complete opposite direction. Except they didn't really understand what people complained about. The characters in Covenant are so fucking dumb. Nothing they do makes any sense at all. The entire premise of the movie falls a part because their dire situation is overly complicated and they complicate it further by making brain-dead choices.

Alien worked because their situation was simple and when shit started to happen, it happened in spite of their attempts to try to intelligently deal with it. At least in Prometheus the fucking scientists wear their space suites when they go down to the planet.

It's so dumb and dull and everything is generic. The only interesting thing is the Fassbender dynamic and it they don't even do anything with it.

[Joe Molotov]

Lair of the White Worm

This movie is oppressively English, and it's great.

[Valkyrie]

Watched Cape Fear the other day. Pretty weird/interesting for me to watch a movie with a younger DeNiro in it. It made me realize I haven't watched any of his stuff before he got all grey hair/got old. He plays a villain and it wasn't easy to hate him or root for the victims, because I couldn't find him scary.

Anyway, good movie. A lot of the scenes seemed pretty satirical, which is always a plus for scary movies made around the 80s 90s.

[Momo]

cant wait to avoid this shit.

[chronovore]

cant wait to avoid this shit.

Weird. Looks awesome as hell to me!

[VomKriege]

Brother, May I Have Some Oats ?

[fistfulofmetal]

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me

Finally fully caught up with the original series and movie. I wasn't entirely sure what to expect from the movie. I was thinking it would be an episode of the show, but longer. That was wrong.

I really loved the darker, more grounded approach to the story. It was like viewing the same story and setting from the show without rose tinted glasses. Focusing the story back onto Laura gave the story more weight, especially when we remember that it's a story about sexual abuse and depression.

Sheryl Lee was tremendous, and I'm shocked she go on to do other things after.

[bork]

IN.

I get the feeling this might do well in some European countries, but will otherwise flop hard.

[Momo]

IN.

I get the feeling this might do well in some European countries, but will otherwise flop hard.

Seconded. This is going to flop in the US but probably do great numbers in France and the rest of Europe while holding cult appeal. Cant care about box numbers though, this is my jam

[Great Rumbler]

IN.

I get the feeling this might do well in some European countries, but will otherwise flop hard.

I feel like it'll either been an out-of-nowhere massive hit or a total flop. Like, either $50 million or $500 million, nothing in between.

[ToxicAdam]

Seems impossible for 500 million with no stars and a director with a spotty record.

I think it will open up to a respectable number and then just disappear (in the US).

[Great Rumbler]

Alien: Covenant

I just don't understand what Ridley Scott is trying to do here. I mean, I get that Prometheus and Covenant are supposed be, like, prequels to Alien and that somehow they're building up to the events of that movie, but Covenant does absolutely nothing to get any closer and instead just drops a few nuggets of info about what's going on. That's really it. And they should have just called it Prometheus 2, because that's all it is, there's no "going back to the roots" or whatever. Also, the ending was stupid and basically the ending to Prometheus but worse.

Having said that, I didn't hate it, it's just not really that good.

[benjipwns]

http://nypost.com/2017/06/01/why-wonder-woman-is-less-american-than-ever/

What’s curious about this version, coddled and crafted over decades, is the near-total absence of America. Wonder Woman was born during World War II, created by American psychologist William Moulton Marston, and her debut on the cover of DC’s Sensation Comics in 1942 depicted her in red, white and blue, storming into battle. She’d left her home, Paradise Island, to fight the Nazis in “America, the last citadel of democracy and of equal rights for women!”

This new Wonder Woman, however, has almost nothing to do with America. The film is set during World War I, in London. Steve Trevor, the pilot Wonder Woman rescues and falls for, is American in name only — here, he’s working for British intelligence.

Most tellingly, Wonder Woman’s iconic costume has been leached of all color. The bald eagle on her chest, the white stars on her blue bottom, the red-and-white striped boots — all have disappeared. She’s no longer vibrant and strong; she’s sad, a pacifist whose armor resembles mourning attire.

But to see Wonder Woman so remade, her look such a deliberate attempt to erase the country she’s long fought for, is to undercut what could have been the movie’s most substantial contribution: Why can’t Wonder Woman make America great again?

SCENE FROM DC COMICS MOVIES WARNER BROS HEADQUARTERS:

[Momo]

stupid trailer music, great cast, great story, but to be honest, who doesnt already know this story? I'll probably buy it for home viewings later, but at the cinema? nah.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

I was gonna hard Nope a zillionth rendition of Christie's most famous story (that or Ten Little ... Umm, I really mean And Then There Were None). But then I found out that Branagh shot it in 65 mm, and I guess I'll go see it now.

[chronovore]

stupid trailer music, great cast, great story, but to be honest, who doesnt already know this story? I'll probably buy it for home viewings later, but at the cinema? nah.

I liked everything about that, except that anachronistic pop-song finish for a period piece. C'mon.

[Purrp Skirrp]

[benjipwns]

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6emkx8/murder_on_the_orient_express_official_trailer/diblk96/

[benjipwns]

 

[benjipwns]

omg

[benjipwns]

hack job edit of that one: http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=eA6gFcciDF4&video_start=0&audio=eA6gFcciDF4&audio_start=16

[Momo]

best one

[Momo]

OH.MY.GOD

 

[ToxicAdam]

Small nitpick, but the color mismatch between the moustache and hair is ridiculous.

[toku]

I really like Branagh's Henry V and Hamlet films

[Bebpo]

copy&pasting this from irc because not worth re-typing so excuse the formatting.

so Wonder Woman was very middle of the line formulaic comic movie, not bad, not great but that probably makes it the best DC movie!
the worst parts are all the Snyder-isms
like it really makes me dislike Snyder more than even his own movies!
because it does things to feel like it's part of the Snyder DC universe
and they are all bad:
-Movie takes itself too serious. It has some good jokes but it's not a "fun" movie
-Color-corrected everything drained of all color too dark/grey zzz
-Nothing but slow motion fight scenes over and over with no style
if it fixed those it'd be a solid middle Marvel movie
the script is just another super formulaic comic movie. Like I think robots can write these at this point. They're all the same.
I was talking to a friend afterward and like WW is a "better" film than Alien Covenant but I'd much rather watch Covenant because at least Covenant is a WTF IS THIS MOVIE which is more interesting than a formulaic turn your brain off superhero origin movie zzz

[chronovore]

[Momo]

saw wonder woman earlier, some of the fight set pieces were great, it has some pacing problems and i get the feeling they dropped some sub plots in editing, but liked it overall.

[Mupepe]

Me too. I probably enjoyed it more than any comic book movie since the first GOTG but I'm not big on comic movies anyhow.

[Human Snorenado]

Wonder Woman is the best superhero movie in a long time. Go see it, turds.

[bork]

Wonder Woman is the best superhero movie in a long time. Go see it, turds.

Saw it this afternoon and I agree- it was pretty good!  Surprising turnaround since early articles on it were that this was going to be more DC film garbage.

The only thing I kind of didn't like was how small-scale everything seemed.  It would have been awesome if they had a big scene with Wonder Woman appearing on a big battlefield and taking out an entire army, Dynasty Warriors style.  We only got that in smaller doses.

[chronovore]

I mentioned that I'd bought Prometheus on a $5 sale, right? I'd also said that I hated it the first time I saw it, but liked it more the second time, yes?

Put me back in the earlier camp. This movie is visually gorgeous, but it's a complete stinker for story and characters. There is NO ONE likable other than Noomi Rapace' character. She's the idealist, she's the innocent, and that's it. MAYBE the captain, but Ms. Weyland is clearly a corporate shit-heel with daddy issues, and the captain puts his dick in that at some point IIRC. The howling wolf geologist and his pups are just ridiculous. Any hiring team knows you want as good as you can get BUT can still work in a team. This guy is a mental case, aggressive, fearful, confrontational… a prima donna. David is wonderful as a nuanced character, the Lawrence of Arabia thread is a great nod, but perhaps followed a little slavishly?

I may have more to whine about later, but I'm really wondering why I didn't remember how much this movie disappointed me the first time.

[Joe Molotov]

Looking forward to seeing Wonder Woman pretty soon; the thought of the rare, elusive good DC movie gives me a nerd boner.

[Madrun Badrun]

If it is good, it kind of saddens me that is has to be surrounded by shit in the DCCU

[Mupepe]

Most of the MCU movies are middling at best with some great moments... The difference between them and DC has been that the DC movies had much lower lows.

[Momo]

And FOX has the highest highs strangely

[ToxicAdam]

Noomi Rapace is the main character of story and she doesn't even have an arc. How is that possible in a an adventure story? Even a children's movie follows that convention.

That's why I have problems with people that defend Promethrus. It failed at the most basic of levels.

[Tasty]

MCU was all shit except for Iron Man until the Avengers, which wasn't that good in the first place. So not really something new.

Cap 1 is a good movie IMO. Not great but it surprised me.

None of the Phase 1 movies were anywhere near as terrible as BvS, SS or MoS though, lol. And yes, MoS was garbage.

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I will remind people that I am a MUCH bigger DC fan so this pains me. Game recognizes game though.

[close]

[Joe Molotov]

Watchmen was also butt. Snyder's stank is all over the DCEU. Save us, Patty Jenkins!

[Mupepe]

I love Watchmen. Very flawed, but I love it. Thor and Cap 1 may not have as many bad lines as BvS but my god those are boring fucking movies. I'd rather watch BvS in its entirety than either of those turds again

[Madrun Badrun]

So many bad opinions.   

[Mupepe]

So many bad opinions.

Agreed. Who in their right mind enjoyed Cap 1?

[benjipwns]

When we talk about BvS we gotta say whether we're talking the theatrical mess or the Ultimate Edition from Snyder Da God. I've come to that conclusion after some extensive thought on it. (i.e. after i watched each once like a year ago now when they came out) It's like when we talk about Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It doesn't save it but it's like two different movies at times.

The UE is so much more an actual movie with plot and characters. They butchered the thing. Even for Lex. Even though it adds in so much more content it fixes the pacing such that it doesn't feel like a deadening slog of mindless oppression. You jump from Clark actually doing stuff to Bruce to Lois actually investigating back to Bruce over to Lex some then Clark gets some scenes again.

IIRC, there were rumors before it left post-production that Snyder's first pass cut was over four hours long, so he smashed it down twice to get to the theatrical one. Which basically ripped out everything except Batman. Which I mean, if you're gonna leave the good stuff. Still should have cut some of Lex for more of Clark/Lois having a reason to be in the movie.

I still wonder what Suicide Squad could have looked like, considering the expanded cut didn't even add back in whole scenes shown in the trailers. And since they had re-edited it again after the trailers took off with their own CRAZY HA HA vibe which it apparently never was during shooting. And before somebody realized they had to cut the entire Joker plotline because the psychopathic serial killer has an abusive relationship with the once renowned PhD he's turned into a psychopathic serial killer and that's problematic.

[benjipwns]

Now Man of Steel on the other hand needed to get more of it axed out.

[Mupepe]

Always talking about ultimate edition mang. Theatrical was torture at times.

[chronovore]

As a lifetime comic reader, it pains me to say that Batman v. Superman is such utter garbage that I watched it on an 11 hour flight and still felt like I could've used my time better. I'm curious about the Ultimate Edition, but not enough to spend any money on it, and it's not the version that is available in Japan… anywhere.

Watchmen is gorgeous, reasonably paced, represents the comic slavishly well — and there is Snyder's problem in a nutshell. He's great when adapting a comic book, but if you get him away from a sequential art page and request anything new, you're asking for trouble. Watchmen was a product of the '80s, but the movie was not a product of its age so much as a retrospective, lacking relevance.  Suckerpunch was beautiful, but incoherent and manages to break the audience's tolerance with its twist ending.

[chronovore]

Noomi Rapace is the main character of story and she doesn't even have an arc. How is that possible in a an adventure story? Even a children's movie follows that convention.

That's why I have problems with people that defend Promethrus. It failed at the most basic of levels.

It's the Phantom Menace of Aliens movies. TPM also had problems with identifying whose movie it is, much less giving them an arc.

[toku]

y'all are on the wrong side of history smh

[Human Snorenado]

If you can't make a coherent movie in less than 4 hours, you shouldn't make movies.

[benjipwns]

If you can't make a coherent movie in less than 4 hours, you shouldn't make movies.

shots fired at Erich von Stroheim

[I'm a Puppy!]

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[Tasty]

Wonder Woman

A solid C+/B-.

I've warmed up to Gal Godot. While in general I hate slow-mo in action scenes, it was done really well here. This probably has the only memorable theme song of any superhero movie today (and that just depresses me... we went from Ottman's X-Men theme, Elfman's Spider-Man, and Zimmer's Batman to... the current situation...) As an origin story it did what it needed to do. Some surprisingly unexpected but welcome character moments. The fish out of water stuff was (mostly) fun and funny. The island stuff was gorgeous and the war stuff was (finally) appropriately dreary. Pine made a wet-noodle like Steve Trevor finally have some life and purpose, which is REALLY saying something if you've read the comics. I loved that they leaned-in hard on the batshit Greek mythos stuff, even if it doesn't make much sense with the rest of the cinematic universe. The nods to racism and sexism were handled surprisingly-well. The No Man's Land scene was the best part of the film and made me fucking pumped.

Nitpicks:

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Too standard of an origin story. I feel like WW is getting a pass because we haven't seen (a traditional) one in a while (Deadpool only sorta counts because it played with the format, which I feel this should have done too.)

Way too similar to the first Captain America for my tastes. Aside from the island and last five minutes, it hit all the same beats - just without a romance subplot. At the very least, they didn't just do a montage with the team like Cap, but the flipside of that is that they only had a single "mission" together at all.

Some of the quips and one-liners were absolutely groan worthy.

Literally everyone in the theater laughed heartily when they showed Ares' fall, and then showed him crouching down... with his trademark English mustache.

The wraparound "story" was boring and lame and I didn't need to be reminded further of the Snyderverse.

[close]

I can see why it has 93% RT - it's a great movie that most people liked. I liked it. But it's middle-of-the-road, I'd rate it similarly with the first Captain America movie and Iron Man 3... which is to say it's about 30 stories above the previous dreck in the DCEU.

3 / 5

Closer to a 3.5 if I used floats for my scores instead of integers.

[Tasty]

Never saw the theatrical BvS. I payed $1 for the Ultimate Edition during a Google Play sale and I still felt ripped off. Utter garbage and even the action scenes were trash.

Yeah yeah warehouse Batman but that played out uncut in one of the trailers anyways... and the UE adds a bunch of unnecessary digital blood, as if you didn't already know this was the Snyderverse and Murderman.

I can't imagine what a Knightmare () the theatrical cut was if the UE was somehow the film's saving grace.

[Rahxephon91]

I honestly think most of the Marvel movies are pretty garbage.

Captain America 1 is an awful movie. Terribly paced and filled to the brim with terrible writing and characters. It also looks like crap. The scene where Bucky dies is awful.

The first Thor just feels super by the numbers.

Iron Man 1 and 2 feel like generic super hero movies carried by a overly witty cast.

I mean Avengers 1 was great fun, but thats really all it was.

It was honestly Winter Solider that felt like a legit movie that I could care about followed by Iron Man 3 that were the first decent movies. After that I feel they've been mostly ok.

Say what you will about the DC movies, but to me they are interesting failures with at least memorable visuals.

[Valkyrie]

Was watching Falling Down last night but I didn't find it exciting enough to continue. It actually bored me. Maybe it was just the wrong day for that kinda movie. I don't see myself wanting to give it another go though.

[VomKriege]

Was watching Falling Down last night but I didn't find it exciting enough to continue. It actually bored me. Maybe it was just the wrong day for that kinda movie. I don't see myself wanting to give it another go though.

Falling Down is pretty meh. I suspect its recognition is mostly tied to the "epic rant" sequence in the fast food joint.

[bork]

Wonder Woman

A solid C+/B-.

I've warmed up to Gal Godot. While in general I hate slow-mo in action scenes, it was done really well here. This probably has the only memorable theme song of any superhero movie today (and that just depresses me... we went from Ottman's X-Men theme, Elfman's Spider-Man, and Zimmer's Batman to... the current situation...) As an origin story it did what it needed to do. Some surprisingly unexpected but welcome character moments. The fish out of water stuff was (mostly) fun and funny. The island stuff was gorgeous and the war stuff was (finally) appropriately dreary. Pine made a wet-noodle like Steve Trevor finally have some life and purpose, which is REALLY saying something if you've read the comics. I loved that they leaned-in hard on the batshit Greek mythos stuff, even if it doesn't make much sense with the rest of the cinematic universe. The nods to racism and sexism were handled surprisingly-well. The No Man's Land scene was the best part of the film and made me fucking pumped.

Nitpicks:

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Too standard of an origin story. I feel like WW is getting a pass because we haven't seen (a traditional) one in a while (Deadpool only sorta counts because it played with the format, which I feel this should have done too.)

Way too similar to the first Captain America for my tastes. Aside from the island and last five minutes, it hit all the same beats - just without a romance subplot. At the very least, they didn't just do a montage with the team like Cap, but the flipside of that is that they only had a single "mission" together at all.

Some of the quips and one-liners were absolutely groan worthy.

Literally everyone in the theater laughed heartily when they showed Ares' fall, and then showed him crouching down... with his trademark English mustache.

The wraparound "story" was boring and lame and I didn't need to be reminded further of the Snyderverse.

[close]

I can see why it has 93% RT - it's a great movie that most people liked. I liked it. But it's middle-of-the-road, I'd rate it similarly with the first Captain America movie and Iron Man 3... which is to say it's about 30 stories above the previous dreck in the DCEU.

3 / 5

Closer to a 3.5 if I used floats for my scores instead of integers.

I guess you forgot about Dr. Strange, which was the most full on origin story comic movie since either Iron Man or First Avenger. I was actually shocked at how it was a full blast origin story movie so deep into the MCU.

And I guess you forgot about Ant Man!