Far Cry 2 thread of jamming guns

[duckman2000]

Since we're all Gaffy this evening anyway, make up my mind on which of these games I should buy. I'm leaning towards L4D because I already know it will be at least very good, but torching the savanna as a mercenary is strongly appealing too.

God damn what a buggy game

[cool breeze]

Haven't played Far Cry 2 yet, but Left 4 Dead is amazing and the best shooter this year (sans Far Cry 2 since I haven't played it)

[Rman]

Both have different strengths.  FC2 has a better campaign.  L4D has a much more varied co-op and multiplayer set.

[patrickula]

Haven't played FC2 either, BUT Left4Dead is fantastic if you're into what it offers (which is pretty simple I suppose).

Far Cry 2 seems like a good game with some great tech marred by bizarro inconveniences that make the game unfun.  I'll get it when it's cheap enough (probably won't be long on PC).

[y2kev]

i bought far cry 2 on the ps3 on amazon this weekend for 25.95

you cant beat that with a stick!

(left 4 dead)

[Bocsius]

  zombies

[duckman2000]

zombies

Malaria  :'(

[pilonv1]

the malaria hate is overstated. its not that bad.

[Van Cruncheon]

far cry 2

[MrAngryFace]

People say they want to be immersed and you make a game to do that. In the case of Fallout 3 you have people complaining that the post apocalyptic wasteland all looks the same and is hard to move around in- that the setting should fill you with wonder rather than despair. Some people dont understand what nuclear bombs do. In the case of Far Cry 2 people complain that you get sick while living in the dirty jungle where youre constantly hiding out in dirty houses, getting your ass kicked, shot at, and engaging in other dangerous activities. Oh no, you have to drive a car to go places oh noes. Oh noes traveling between two points takes time. What makes me laugh is that they would probably think they were going faster if they drove the car in third person and if the game wasn't focusing on making it seem real..

[duckman2000]

From what I've heard, it seems like they just sort of missed the mark, to the point where the things that should act to immerse the player come off feeling "gamey" and ham-handed. Haven't played it, just going by what I've heard. The healing stuff always looked weird, though; how is it realistic to perform a canned "extract the bullet from the hand" move? At least with healthpacks or regeneration, it's clearly video game stuff. Seems like they may have pushed it a bit past the breaking point.

[MrAngryFace]

What do you know, you like the PS3

[duckman2000]

So I take it that was spot on?

[duckman2000]

PC or PS3, Haze guy?

Classic Borys 

Bore-ys

PC

[MrAngryFace]

So I take it that was spot on?

No, I just need to go to bed and needed a quick exit. No reason to spend too much time on it.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

FC2 was awesome. Use the buses you sissies, they take you everywhere.

[Tabasco]

If you have friends to play with, L4D.  If not, then FC2.

I remember you didn't like Assassin's Creed, and FC2 has that same sort of unrealized potential for a lot of people.  I don't think you'll dislike FC2, but it will frustrate you occasionally.  You'll hate L4D unless you have people to play with.  Maybe rent L4D on 360 to see how you like it?

[brawndolicious]

About how long is FC2?  I doubt the multiplayer servers will be active for long.

[trippingmartian]

shit game or shit game?

[Tabasco]

Nuh-huh. AltogetherAndrews sold his 360

smh

About how long is FC2?  I doubt the multiplayer servers will be active for long.

15-25 hours.  Depends on how many of the side missions you do.

[brawndolicious]

15-25 hours.  Depends on how many of the side missions you do.

Sounds like an amazing rental.  I'm sure L4D will hit $30 in less than a year and people will probably play it for a while.

[Tieno]

Touching a Ubisoft game again, Duck? Really? You?

What a dissapointment you are, you fraud.

[Vizzys]

left 4 dead, multiplayer goty

[duckman2000]

Touching a Ubisoft game again, Duck? Really? You?

What a dissapointment you are, you fraud.

I know, right? But I was totally psyched about FC2 until they announced that it was a multiplatform game, so my resistance to that game has been more or less all about me being a forever jilted and displaced PC fanboy.

[Eel O'Brian]

get l4d duckman, i'll play with you, i'm not that good but i try to be a team player

i need to get back on that

[demi]

Neither, Sonic Unleashed

[WrikaWrek]

Far Cry 2 is boooooooooorriiiiiiinnnnng.

Feels like work. You better have people to play with on L4D though.

[duckman2000]

Alright, got Far Cry 2 

Anything I should know in regards to PC settings? I have an 8800gts 320 and 2gb ram, and I'll be playing in 1280x720. I hope.

[duckman2000]

Far Cry 2 
Voice acting

[y2kev]

oh duckman

[duckman2000]

What did I do now?

Oh yeah, and Far Cry 2 is insanely hot looking.

Jungle at night

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Far Cry 2 is awesome. Good choice.

[duckman2000]

It feels a bit rough, but in a Deus Ex sort of way. I guess the rough edges feel justified, or something. Just got a grenade launcher, time to blow shit up.

[duckman2000]

This is like the best shooter ever, or something

And I don't care what anyone says, this has been a cooler looking affair than Crysis so far.

[Tieno]

Really?

It's duckman, he loves being the contrarian underdog.

[duckman2000]

Altogether, it's nice to play a PC game in its full glory once in a while, isn't it?

Very nice. I can't believe I almost got one of the console versions.

Really?

It's duckman, he loves being the contrarian underdog.

Meh, the game looks hot. Crysis was hot too, but in a different way. I find this game much more attractive.

[Tieno]

Altogether, it's nice to play a PC game in its full glory once in a while, isn't it?

Borys 

[Bildi]

Sweet, I'm looking forward to playing this.  Trying to hold off until the end of January though so I can properly appreciate some other games.

[dammitmattt]

I just started playing Far Cry 2 last night and almost everything about it is immediately impressive, except for the actual gunplay which feels just a tad off.  Maybe it's because I've been playing so much Gears lately, which makes everything else feel much less visceral in comparison.

I love open world games, I love completing a list of missions, and I love collecting shit, so this seems right up my alley.

[y2kev]

Hmm, so, this even looks good on PS3. Not jaggy, nice shadowing, not bad tearing IMO....impressive. Ubisoft is not usually good at this.

[duckman2000]

MAC 10 

Enemy A.I. and hit detection 

It almost feels like the goofy A.I. is a homage to the original Far Cry. 

[WrikaWrek]

This game wouldn't suck so much if the Hit detection and damage count wasn't so shitty, alongside the absurd level of repetition.

[Van Cruncheon]

This game wouldn't suck so much if the Hit detection and damage count wasn't so shitty, alongside the absurd level of repetition.

you mean like in uncharted

[WrikaWrek]

This game wouldn't suck so much if the Hit detection and damage count wasn't so shitty, alongside the absurd level of repetition.

you mean like in uncharted

Well at least headshots were easier to pull of in Uncharted, + cover system, + not being shot from fucking nowhere a mile away.

So no, not like uncharted.

[y2kev]

UNCHARTED!!!!!!!! RAWR

[cool breeze]

UNCHARTED GOTF 2007 - 2009!!1!!
UNCHARTED 2 GOTF 2009 - XXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!1!11!!!

THE KING IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE KING! 

[WrikaWrek]

Whatever ho, i'm gonna start a thread on how the Ps3 gets bitch slapped in another graphics showdown.

[y2kev]

im with u wrika, uncha 4 lyfe

[cool breeze]

da hard part of bein a station fan is not being able to say whas the best

KILLZONE-AY DUO
RESISTANCE 2
UN-RAWR-TED

 

AFW!!!!!!1!1!

 :gerstmann

[WrikaWrek]

im with u wrika, uncha 4 lyfe

Prruuu


Prrruuuu

[dammitmattt]

I played another few hours tonight and I'm really, really getting sucked in.  If you like open world games at all, this is for you.

[Fragamemnon]

started playing this tonight, really digging it. Not only did I get to taunt my Belgian wife a few times with a  "hey honey, this looks like one of your people's old colonies gone amuck!", but the game so far offers a really great open world FPS experience, sort of like what STALKER might be like with a less wacky setting and console style budget and requisiste console gamer stylings.

Quicksave/load seem abusive, stopped using them after an hour or so.

[dark1x]

I still think this game absolutely DEMANDS CO-OP patch of some sort.  The design of the game is simply begging for it and many of its limitations would be addressed as a result.  For instance, the near constant onslaught of enemies attempting to kill you during travel would be easier to deal (ie - less tedious) with if you had a friend manning the turrent of your vehicle.  Missions are already fairly open ended (though they repeat over and over and over again) and would benefit from a second player.

[dammitmattt]

A few more random thoughts:

- During the first mission, I took my "best" buddy up on his offer and took the alternate route.  I had a lot of fun fighting everyone around the villa so that I could intimidate the guy into giving the wrong coordinates.  However, when I got to the main part of the mission, I thought I was supposed to have some help from my buddy and the APR, but they were nowhere to be seen.  Maybe I'm just an idiot and started shooting the wrong guys (I was sniping and took out the first dudes I saw in the outskirts of town), so who knows, but the result was that I just hung back and killed the enemies as they ran up the hill towards me until they stopped coming, which was much less satisfying than the full-scale battle I was expecting.

- The lighting and atmosphere can be absolutely stunning at times, especially during sunrise/sunset or when the sun is peeking through the trees in a dense forest.  Ubi Soft sure has some talented artists.

- I've done about four missions for the arms dealer and I'm getting some serious Just Cause/Assassin's Creed flashbacks since each mission has been the exact same thing (take out two assault jeeps and the big truck carrying supplies).  Are the side missions all so similar?

- Now that I'm used to the controls (and turned off the crosshair), I'm mostly really enjoying the combat.  The sniper rifle and rocket launcher aren't as fun to use as I'd like, but the assault rifle is great fun.

- Thank God for the buses

- I'm really annoyed at how they handled the diamond tracker.  Keeping with the realism theme, your character should mark off the number of diamonds that he's found in any given area instead of you having to physically count the diamonds on your map and then compare them to the number at the top left.  Once you've found all of the diamonds in a particular area, does it at least give you some kind of indicator on the map?  I'm continually annoyed that so many companies can't get the "collection" aspect right in open world games.  Just Cause was the only one that was really user-friendly, though Burnout Paradise was a close second.

- There's one guard shack near the beginning of the game that won't show up as "discovered" no matter how much I run around it inside and out.  Any suggestions?

[duckman2000]

- I've done about four missions for the arms dealer and I'm getting some serious Just Cause/Assassin's Creed flashbacks since each mission has been the exact same thing (take out two assault jeeps and the big truck carrying supplies).  Are the side missions all so similar?

You'd think they would have at least made them sound different. Not only is every mission about stopping an arms convoy (that drives around in a short loop until you stop it, another great effort there), but apparently they all pack guns of poor quality. Combined with the unnatural voice acting of the NPCs and the repetition, it definitely feels like your typical great but unrealized concept.

That said, the actual missions offer so many options on how to tackle them that it's easily forgiven. It does feel like the game is probably more flawed than Assassin's Creed, but the rough edges feel justified here.

- Now that I'm used to the controls (and turned off the crosshair), I'm mostly really enjoying the combat.  The sniper rifle and rocket launcher aren't as fun to use as I'd like, but the assault rifle is great fun.

I like the guns, but engaging enemies has so far felt generally more comical than exhilarating. The A.I. is really, really fucking bad. Maybe that's why the hit detection is so buggy, to make up for the dumbassness of the enemies.

The defining moments of the game have so far typically involved walking through some grassy valley in search of nearby diamonds, or setting up ambushes. Actually executing the missions, though, has not been terribly exciting.

[Eel O'Brian]

  mine came in today

[duckman2000]

I actually managed to get stuck behind some create with diamonds on it. Like, physically stuck, couldn't walk, crawl or jump out. That would have really pissed me off hadn't it been for the fact that I was also being slowly cooked to death by the brush fire that I set outside of the building before looking for the diamonds.

This game achieves this absolutely insane balance of complete failure and emergent brilliance, and so far it's come out victorious in spite of some really pretty serious flaws.

[dammitmattt]

I actually managed to get stuck behind some create with diamonds on it. Like, physically stuck, couldn't walk, crawl or jump out. That would have really pissed me off hadn't it been for the fact that I was also being slowly cooked to death by the brush fire that I set outside of the building before looking for the diamonds.

This game achieves this absolutely insane balance of complete failure and emergent brilliance, and so far it's come out victorious in spite of some really pretty serious flaws.

That's exactly how I felt about Assassin's Creed.  Say what you will about Ubi Soft, but at least they're trying new things.

[duckman2000]

It's a shame then that they seem to consider the successful execution of their ideas to be of less importance.

[dammitmattt]

It's a shame then that they seem to consider the successful execution of their ideas to be of less importance.

That's what sequels are for.  I've enjoyed the betas more than enough to a) justify the purchase price and b) help subsidize the eventual vastly improved sequels.