Magic: The Gathering

[Joe Molotov]

Ban green and kill them!

[Raist]

Wotcee: Fine, guys, we'll ban Oko then..... you guys aren't fun.






On Arena Historic only, Monday to Wednesday.

[thisismyusername]

They'll ban Once Upon a Time before Oko if you look at the usage numbers there.

[thisismyusername]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/dvcgv4/mark_rosewater_says_that_internal_data_indicates/

[naff]

They'll ban Once Upon a Time before Oko if you look at the usage numbers there.

they'll ban once upon a time because of the agenda.

cantrips - make the game better, reduce variance, increase fun.

planeswalkers - increase variance, increase risk/reward, increase boredom.

[naff]

i also don't think once upon a time is long for this world in pioneer. too strong paired with nykthos. (or they ban nykthos)

[Joe Molotov]

OUAT + Goose is what let’s them reliably get out a T2 Oko. If they really wanted to keep Oko around, they should probably hit both of the other two cards. Veil of Summer is probably on the chopping block as well, since it already got a pioneer ban yesterday.

[thisismyusername]

I kinda doubt they'll hit the other two, but OUaT has a case to be made.

Oko is good in various decks. Even in the Standard warping deck right now, taking it out and putting it in food decks and the like just speeds them up. It's abilities are fucking busted and it needs to be banned (or restricted with an errata) for sure, IMO.

[Human Snorenado]

If they don't ban Oko now, they'll need to ban it next month. It will kill standard if they don't. Being in nearly 7 out of every 10 decks and able to take over games is the definition of format warping. Survival of the Fittest wasn't this bad in Legacy and that was the worst I've ever seen anything other than maybe Affinity. This is worse than caw blade, and that got Jace and Stoneforge Mystic banned.

[Raist]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/mtg-arena-state-game-november-2019-11-13


https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/mtg-arena-historic-rollout-2019-11-13

[thisismyusername]

But where's #PermanantBrawlMode tho?

https://twitter.com/BibliovoreOrc/status/1194607421773275143

#WhoCaresAboutNuWalkerLoreTho?

[Raist]

But where's #PermanantBrawlMode tho?

[Joe Molotov]

Can't have permanent brawl, can't have Chandra and Nissa lezzing out, but here's Historic mode that nobody wants.

[thisismyusername]

Can't have permanent brawl, can't have Chandra and Nissa lezzing out, but here's Historic mode that nobody wants.

Hey now, I want Historic mode. I just also want it to fucking count toward dailies. I don't give a shit if it doesn't give cards, just let me get gold from it.

"BUT THAT'LL STOP JANK REEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

ToughDontBlameMeBlameYourselfOrWizardsShittyEconomySchemeNotAllowingBotGrinding.gif

[Raist]

I don't understand why they don't include Kaladesh etc in Historic. It's not like they have to implement those sets from scratch.

[thisismyusername]

Speaking of NuWalker Lore:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/dw1118/reclusive_wizard_chandra_was_retconned_by/

Specficially: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/dw1118/reclusive_wizard_chandra_was_retconned_by/f7gyc85/

[thisismyusername]

I don't understand why they don't include Kaladesh etc in Historic. It's not like they have to implement those sets from scratch.

Because Wizards is dumb. They are so dumb. For real.

>Kill (Android:)Netrunner out of fear of it poaching Magic players
>reboot a too expensive format while just kicking that can down the road for another reboot
>make a "no rotation" format, completely ignore it until fans bitch to high haven
>implement a "popular"(lol) stop-gap mode (Brawl) for a popular mode (Commander) to appease players
>ONLY MAKE IT AVAILABLE ONE DAY OF THE WEEK
>ON A FUCKING WEDNESDAY AT THAT

Anyway, to go back to the Lore shitstorm for a moment:

https://twitter.com/omnidoug/status/1194664180399296513

Someone at Wizard's fucked up.

Oh well, their fuck-ups just make me glad I don't dump money into them and try to keep Netrunner's memory alive.

[thisismyusername]

Also the Playtest artists credits have been given:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/mystery-booster-playtest-card-artists-2019-11-11

Whoever "Matt Warren" is in Wizard's needs to be given a set of like 25 cards officially and allowed to make the art as good as "Seek Bolas' Council" art. Because that one is the funniest card-art in the Playtest series.

Also MaRo is hating the fact that Playtest is popular: To which I say: Fuck you, do more Un-level funsies sets.

[Raist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/dx0p5t/apparent_wizards_security_breach_copied_from/

What Happened? On November 14, 2019, we learned that an internal database file from a decommissioned version of the Wizards of the Coast website login had inadvertently been made accessible outside the company.

Nice.

[thisismyusername]

Wizards should hire this man for their next book:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/dwb856/lorehumorcommiseration_drunk_magic_forsaken_part/

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/dx0p5t/apparent_wizards_security_breach_copied_from/

What Happened? On November 14, 2019, we learned that an internal database file from a decommissioned version of the Wizards of the Coast website login had inadvertently been made accessible outside the company.

Nice.

So was it an internal employee leak, or did someone just accidentally plug in an old server to a network connection?

[Raist]

It was probably Oko. Or Rankle. Or both.

[Joe Molotov]

Oko, Once Upon a Time, and Veil of Summer are all banned in Standard. It's the fourth time in three years they've banned a mythic or a combo involving a mythic. (Emrakul, Aetherworks, Saheeli/Cat).

[thisismyusername]

Oko, Once Upon a Time, and Veil of Summer are all banned in Standard. It's the fourth time in three years they've banned a mythic or a combo involving a mythic. (Emrakul, Aetherworks, Saheeli/Cat).

Guess now I get my wildcards. YEE-HAW!

[Raist]

Surely they'll test cards properly, now!



lolz

[thisismyusername]

[Joe Molotov]

Think I'm gonna build Jeskai Fires so I keep playing free spells.

[Raist]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/play-design-lessons-learned-2019-11-18

Ultimately, we did not properly respect his ability to invalidate essentially all relevant permanent types, and over the course of a slew of late redesigns, we lost sight of the sheer, raw power of the card, and overshot it by no small margin.

 

[Raist]

Still cracks me up.

we did not properly respect his ability to invalidate essentially all relevant permanent types

we did not properly respect

his ability to invalidate essentially all relevant permanent types

Like, did you even read what you wrote you assclown?

[naff]

all relevant permanent types

artifacts and creatures

 

sad but kinda true. still, more or less the millions in the player base and pros didn't pick up on how good it was either til' they really started playing it.

[thisismyusername]

#BanNuWalkers

DO IT YOU COWARDS!!!!</Kara>

Would at least make Enchantments, Aura's, and the like great again.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1196833128444248064

Lot of talk of Cyberpunk in there...

Maybe they'll give the Netrunner license back to Fantasy Flight Games and go "psyche! The game isn't dead!" :iwishtearshere

Oh well, do me a favor and fill out the survey and tell them "bring Netrunner back, you cowards!"

[Joe Molotov]

Netrunner is dead, boomer. I'm upvoting an Evangelion plane.

[thisismyusername]

[Kara]

There's an old story Aaron Forsythe liked to tell about the 2002 World Championship. In a key turn one of the finalists (probably Carlos, I don't actually remember) cast a copy of Mana Short with the Dameon Willich illustration to set up a key play. Aaron was standing next to a brand manager who was incredulous that a card depicting a mere rose would be the card upon which a game / match hinged upon. The moral of the story is that "old" Magic was dumb and directionless, unlike nü-Magic where the #brand is widely represented on the powerful cards you see on coverage. I couldn't help think of that fable while watching Pro Tour Throne of Eldraine which (excluding the limited portions) was probably one of the worst pro tours I've ever watched; just an absolute snoozefest because of #brand primacy.

 

[Joe Molotov]

I can't wait to see what future banned cards will show up in Hasbro's Wizards of the Coast's Netflix's Magic: The Gathering: The Show.

[Joe Molotov]

I just noticed that Oko has surged up to $45 post-ban. Pre-ban, people were panic selling him for $25. It turns out that people still want him for every other format.

[thisismyusername]

Almost like he's busted and should be banned in nearly all formats. 

[Kara]

At FNM last night we could only fire a 6 person draft. In pack 2 pick 2 the person to my left passes me a pack without randomizing it and I'm lazily sifting through the pack when I see Oko in the rare slot.

I snap pick Oko because I was already base green and the card is worth fifty U.S. dollars.

The rest of the pack was pretty good and the player to my right wonders aloud what was picked so I flash my Oko. The player to my right then stops what they're doing and says very loudly, "Wait, you [gesturing to the person to my left] passed this guy [gesturing to me] an Oko?"

The player to my left then flashes a foil, extended art Oko and says, "I picked this and didn't even look at the rest of the pack."

The best part was that one of our regulars loves to draft a Fling deck (2 weeks ago he hit me for 16 in a turn with an attack then Fling) and there were zero copies of the card in 18 packs. He thought we were all hate drafting it from him.

Pack 3, pick 1 I crack a Fabled Passage which is great because it lets me splash my Oko for free. (It's free real estate dot flv.) I managed to go 2 and 1 despite making some key blunders so I won a promo pack which contained... a stamped copy of Fabled Passage.

Have to fly on Monday and I'm now dreading my newfound ability to find myself in statistically unlikely situations...

[thisismyusername]

Edit your will and make sure you send that Oko to me.

[Joe Molotov]

I built Izzet Flash for FNM, but I ended up with a splitting headache and didn't go this week. 

I had intended to build Jeskai Fires, but I decided I wanted something with a little more interaction and Izzet Flash speaks to me. I'm using this decklist to start with.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2515364#paper

[Kara]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/chandra-and-forsaken-novel-2019-11-22

 

[Kara]

I built Izzet Flash for FNM, but I ended up with a splitting headache and didn't go this week. 

I had intended to build Jeskai Fires, but I decided I wanted something with a little more interaction and Izzet Flash speaks to me. I'm using this decklist to start with.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2515364#paper

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Since the DCI murdered my beautiful boy (Blue / Green Flash) people have tried to sell me on this deck but I'm not really feeling it.

[Kara]

Somehow I went 7-X with this pile.

Mythic black uncommons.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I managed to lose a match against a blue / red draw 2 deck with 2 copies of Revenge of Ravens in play.

[close]

[Kara]

[thisismyusername]

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/11/25/magic-the-gathering-reveals-new-secret-lair-drop-series-with-wild-art?sf113080808=1

This is cool, but not $40-80 for 4-8 cards cool.

[Kara]

As someone who dislikes playing against someone using alters I guess I'm happy that there are more official "alters" in the wild but man.

[Kara]

StarCity Games cut Tom Ross and it's spilled out (more) onto the internet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/e1ae6h/tom_ross_my_statement_regarding_being_cut_from/

[thisismyusername]

As someone who dislikes playing against someone using alters I guess I'm happy that there are more official "alters" in the wild but man.

The cat token (that is on the top right) and the Leonin Warrior alter is  cool, the rest of the art is bad, though.

I mean, I'd buy a token of that one cat and this: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/e1idjn/collaborated_with_my_wife_to_make_a_squirrel_for/

Because I'm teh beg ghey:

StarCity Games cut Tom Ross and it's spilled out (more) onto the internet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/e1ae6h/tom_ross_my_statement_regarding_being_cut_from/

Didn't Star city also put like 80% of their shit behind a paywall when other Magic sites are doing the same thing for free?

[Joe Molotov]

"Someone wrote ‘cute cats’ on the whiteboard. The whole room was like, ‘Yep, obviously, ship it.’"

This is how Felidar Guardian got printed.

[Kara]

StarCity has had paywall content since I was a grinder, unless you mean almost all their mediocre free content has now gone away too. I don't go the the site very much because their tour doesn't go out west and I buy almost all my singles from Channel Fireball (they collect California sales tax) so I wouldn't know if that's changed.

[thisismyusername]

StarCity has had paywall content since I was a grinder, unless you mean almost all their mediocre free content has now gone away too. I don't go the the site very much because their tour doesn't go out west and I buy almost all my singles from Channel Fireball (they collect California sales tax) so I wouldn't know if that's changed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/e033ic/introducing_the_new_star_city_games_pay_us/

Also thinking on if: Arahbo, Roar of the World is the best art in that cat pack. So 3 of the 7 is something I'd pay for. But not $30-80 for.

[Joe Molotov]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CubeApril/status/1198964087016824833

Accurate, but still rude.

[naff]

Humility

[Raist]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/secret-lair-recap-2019-11-25

Not gonna lie, I'm surprised it took them that long to start selling stuff like that.

[Human Snorenado]

My face when I see they went with Serum Visions instead of Brainstorm for the blue spell

[naff]

StarCity Games cut Tom Ross and it's spilled out (more) onto the internet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/e1ae6h/tom_ross_my_statement_regarding_being_cut_from/

huh, i've always liked the boss. i don't really follow the scene that well these days, but so callously cutting someone i, and many others, see as such a big piece of the character of the scg team seems weird. i thought they were all buds  :'(

[Kara]

My face when I see they went with Serum Visions instead of Brainstorm for the blue spell

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You got Brainstorm with Jace on it in Signature Spellbook: Jace though.

That Kristina Collantes Serum Visions.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/mtgaaron/status/1199507770975801344

[naff]

being a predominantly legacy, edh, modern / cube and draft focused player I appreciate these broke spells. not a huge fan of ouat, but don't mind it. is a fine edge case cantrip in eternal formats. still dislike oko tho. too good against the janky midrange strats I like.

what's going on in play design is confusing. their explanation for oko in that they didn't really use it on their opponents stuff that much  how did they not use repeatable beast within on their opponents permanents and realise it's very, very good.

[Human Snorenado]

What's going on in play design is that they have no clout to derail the Rosewater/Forsythe Express, and as time goes by they're probably getting dumber and less likely to recognize broken shit/interactions, so it likely gets worse from here.

To me, Rosewater is actually not awful at his job. It's his job to shit out a million ideas. Forsythe is the unforgivable one, his job is to curb the nonsense and he doesn't seem to give a shit. I remember his explanation for having Stoneforge Mystic and Batterskull in the same format was that "Scars was a heavy artifact block, and the direct sequel to the block that introduced equipment, so we didn't want to let the existence of Stoneforge Mystic stop us from doing cool equipment" or something along those lines. Dude has been trash for at least a decade, fire him.