Author Topic: What are you playing? (Read 4356874 times)

BrokenVerses · « **Reply #27120 on:** October 11, 2015, 10:22:24 PM »

Was BioShock one of those you had to be there (in 2007) type of things?

I played Infinite and after reading all the backlash to that game I tried out the original and ended up throwing in the towel. It just wasn't very fun.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27121 on:** October 11, 2015, 10:42:02 PM »

bioshock was amazing for the "omg story" and the "videogames are art" crowds

Kara · « **Reply #27122 on:** October 11, 2015, 10:49:30 PM »

Sander Cohen's section ruled. That's about all I liked. Gunfighting to Waltz of the Flowers.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #27123 on:** October 11, 2015, 10:52:14 PM »

The story and universe were the big appeals of Bioshock specifically in the first one. It was over-rated and flawed in many ways but I could see how those two things if you were into them could be a really big draw. I enjoy the original bioshock and think it was a fun romp with a nice twist.

Bioshock 2 is a better playing version of the first without the newness factor of the ip and it was punished by reviewers for those sins.

Minerva's Den seemed to be loved by a lot of people but I never got around to trying it.

Bioshock Infinite was very received by critics but I personally think its actually the worst of the games. It's the most undeservedly pretentious one of them and its strapped into a shooter facade when it shouldn't be.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27124 on:** October 12, 2015, 01:30:14 AM »

I like the universe and the story and somehow at the time the gameplay was fine in 1&2 (haven't played infinite yet), but yeah playing Minerva now (which basically plays like Bio2) the gameplay is really vanilla.

toku · « **Reply #27125 on:** October 12, 2015, 02:58:56 AM »

Minerva you're in it for the story 100%. It's good. One of the big driving forces behind it went onto to make Gone Home and also runs a popular cyberpunk themed tumblr.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27126 on:** October 12, 2015, 03:10:49 AM »

Quote from: toku on October 12, 2015, 02:58:56 AM

Minerva you're in it for the story 100%. It's good. One of the big driving forces behind it went onto to make Gone Home and also runs a popular cyberpunk themed tumblr.

Yeah, I liked Gone Home good enough, but Minerva...I'm not sure about the story. So far about 50-60% in (the 2nd hub) the story seems pretty by the books and there's no horror or mysterious feel to it. It's just the story of a guy who built this robot AI "The Thinker" and his co-worker. I dunno, hopefully it gets more interesting. It's good enough and the voice acting is great, but not seeing anything better than Bio1/2 in story yet.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #27127 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:05:34 AM »

I tried playing Bioshock a few times but it always bored me within 2 hours max, same for Infinity. Love the setting and design though.

chronovore · « **Reply #27128 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:29:20 AM »

Quote from: Viconia DeVir on October 11, 2015, 10:22:24 PM

Was BioShock one of those you had to be there (in 2007) type of things?

I played Infinite and after reading all the backlash to that game I tried out the original and ended up throwing in the towel. It just wasn't very fun.

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 11, 2015, 10:42:02 PM

bioshock was amazing for the "omg story" and the "videogames are art" crowds

It was great in 2007, but it was still System Shock 2 "but streamlined," reducing the feeling of player agency by making the save-or-harvest choices irrelevant as well as allowing all powers to be gained completely by the end game. The economy in it is broken. Bioshock Infinite was even more streamlined, making player choices even less meaningful. I'm done with it as a series.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27129 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:26:10 PM »

hold up. you mean to tell me one year after its release destiny will auto-join with players for three player strikes but not six player raids? who the fuck is in charge of this game and why are they so determined to ruin a good thing?

how am i supposed get a raid party? dance at people til they join my fire team and then hope they wanna do whatever level i pick?

toku · « **Reply #27130 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:18:18 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 12, 2015, 05:26:10 PM

hold up. you mean to tell me one year after its release destiny will auto-join with players for three player strikes but not six player raids? who the fuck is in charge of this game and why are they so determined to ruin a good thing?

how am i supposed get a raid party? dance at people til they join my fire team and then hope they wanna do whatever level i pick?

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demi · « **Reply #27131 on:** October 12, 2015, 07:06:33 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 12, 2015, 05:26:10 PM

hold up. you mean to tell me one year after its release destiny will auto-join with players for three player strikes but not six player raids? who the fuck is in charge of this game and why are they so determined to ruin a good thing?

how am i supposed get a raid party? dance at people til they join my fire team and then hope they wanna do whatever level i pick?

use an LFG site. and once you do a raid you will see why there is no matchmaking. sorry. i will never support matchmaking.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27132 on:** October 12, 2015, 07:47:06 PM »

do vault of glass and fall of crota with me ho

demi · « **Reply #27133 on:** October 12, 2015, 07:48:58 PM »

ur on 360. i dont play with poors.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27134 on:** October 12, 2015, 07:51:56 PM »

I'm on ps4 you scumbag

demi · « **Reply #27135 on:** October 12, 2015, 07:57:43 PM »

i dont play on ps4 either so have fun with LFG

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theres also destinylfg dot net

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Bebpo · « **Reply #27136 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:52:03 AM »

In the end Bioshock 2: Minerva's Den was good. The last 1/3rd of the game really kicks up the pacing and there's no generic structure, you're going area to area with some optional side stuff but no hub + 3 areas or anything, just story moving, and good pacing. In the end the story was good. I kind of guessed 1/2 the plot twist about midway through

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That The Voice leading you was the AI and not Porter. Didn't guess you were Porter though, thought the AI was gonna be using you for something more nefarious so the ending was nice. Not often you see GOOD GUY AI in media.

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Combat was whatever, also the game is so short there's no way you can get through much of the upgrades so I just focused on not-fighting using Lvl.3 decoys + mini-turrets + Lvl.3 security bots while I sit back and take the occasional rocket shot. I feel like a lot of the Bioshock 2 systems like the Big Sisters and Corpse Harvesting were totally out of place in this. I think Minerva's Den would've been better without even the Big Daddy/Little Sister stuff and just a dead area, a crazy guy and a lot of defense robots and some leftover splicers.

Audio logs were great, art design was kind of uninspired compared to previous games. No memorable looking areas. Will get to Infinite at some point now.

chronovore · « **Reply #27137 on:** October 13, 2015, 01:16:22 AM »

Quote from: Bebpo on October 13, 2015, 12:52:03 AM

Audio logs were great, art design was kind of uninspired compared to previous games. No memorable looking areas. Will get to Infinite at some point now.

Prepare for disappointment.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27138 on:** October 13, 2015, 01:33:40 AM »

yeah, you can just skip infinite. i didn't play 2 but infinite was much worse than 1. pretty much everything sucked aside from the visuals. it'll fool you into thinking it's pretty good at first but it unravels so very fast.

The Legend of Sunblade · « **Reply #27139 on:** October 13, 2015, 02:46:16 AM »

Infinite is a cool setting stuck in a terribly mediocre FPS. It'd a massive step back from all the good things BioShock 2 introduced in gameplay, and the hyped up "story" is all over the place. One of the few day 1 AAA purchases I made last gen that I terribly regret making.

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I still roll my eyes every time I think about how they tried to tie together Rapture and Columbia via alternate universe bullshit. "There's always a lighthouse", more like there's always a hack writer.

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Bebpo · « **Reply #27140 on:** October 13, 2015, 02:53:50 AM »

Yeah I expect that the gameplay is gonna suck, but what I've heard about the story at least sounds pretty ambitious even if it's not pulled off well, and I'm a sucker for games that at least try to have interesting stories and not just generic evil orcs, save the princess.

From what I've seen most people agree the FPS part of Infinite sucks, but the story seems really divisive with a lot of people loving it and a lot of people hating it, so I'll have to see for myself.

Purrp Skirrp · « **Reply #27141 on:** October 13, 2015, 03:15:37 AM »

Infinite's visuals

I never got far in Bioshock 1; it played like shit and never grabbed me outside of its setting and world building. Seems like this series never excelled at gameplay, yet Infinite get's singled out.

Infinite's shooting is pretty innocuous, and was serviceable enough for a 10-12 hour game whose main draw is its setting and narrative. IDK, who is into these games for the combat?

It's a perfect rental type game. I'd be pretty pissed if I dropped $60 on it.

toku · « **Reply #27142 on:** October 13, 2015, 04:06:14 AM »

Quote from: Bebpo on October 13, 2015, 02:53:50 AM

Yeah I expect that the gameplay is gonna suck, but what I've heard about the story at least sounds pretty ambitious even if it's not pulled off well, and I'm a sucker for games that at least try to have interesting stories and not just generic evil orcs, save the princess.

From what I've seen most people agree the FPS part of Infinite sucks, but the story seems really divisive with a lot of people loving it and a lot of people hating it, so I'll have to see for myself.

The problem with Infinite is much MGSV, after a certain point, you can tell they had to start cutting/throwing stuff out.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #27143 on:** October 13, 2015, 05:34:50 AM »

Quote from: Swishercrat on October 13, 2015, 03:15:37 AM

I never got far in Bioshock 1; it played like shit and never grabbed me outside of its setting and world building. Seems like this series never excelled at gameplay, yet Infinite get's singled out.

I think chrono kind of nails it for me at least. Infinite was the tipping point for me where so much had been removed from the non-shooter elements dating back to system shock that I could no longer recognize it from what it was originally. Bioshock was also streamlined but at that point I could still at least see what the franchise had once been a bit. By the time we were at infinite for me, it really was just a pure shooter. And I kept finding myself thinking this wasn't the best venue for all the stuff the story kept wanting to be about.

It was a fine serviceable shooter for a modern game I suppose but it just made me realize how much the series in general had lost and how off track it had become. The "looting" in particular just seemed hilariously dumb. Like a vestigial tail. There are a lot of things like that in infinite.

Which is definitely not to say that Bioshock 1 is some perfect game. It has a shitload of flaws. It just feels more earnest to me though.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27144 on:** October 13, 2015, 08:15:08 AM »

Ken levine needs his ass kicked for that offensive ass plot

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27145 on:** October 13, 2015, 08:16:03 AM »

also:

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27146 on:** October 13, 2015, 04:49:01 PM »

man the tuckus king's opening mission has more cutscenes and scripting in it than all the year one content combined. it's nothing original but it's feels nice after 20 levels of haphazard mobs and pointless radio chatter

VomKriege · « **Reply #27147 on:** October 13, 2015, 06:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on October 13, 2015, 08:15:08 AM

Ken levine needs his ass kicked for that offensive ass plot

Isn't it what happened when his studio was gutted hard because the game couldn't meet the crazy sales expectations that were set by the protracted development ?

BrokenVerses · « **Reply #27148 on:** October 13, 2015, 10:42:24 PM »

FUCK THIS SHIT

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OnlyRegret · « **Reply #27149 on:** October 14, 2015, 01:20:07 AM »

drakengaard
lol
where are the monster babbies?

The Legend of Sunblade · « **Reply #27150 on:** October 14, 2015, 01:23:17 AM »

Quote from: Viconia DeVir on October 13, 2015, 10:42:24 PM

FUCK THIS SHIT

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I let out an audible "FUCK, NO. NO." when i saw those for the first time. The PTSD from the end of Drakengard 1 had /just/ started to settle down.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27151 on:** October 14, 2015, 02:36:46 AM »

Bastion! - I started playing Transistor and it was really cool so I decided to give Bastion another shake because the game turned me off with the demo back in the day (mainly because the narrator wouldn't shut up). Probably played through over half the game in one sitting now and I really like it for the most part! I like the rpg upgrade mechanics and picking weapon types and upgrade paths for the weapons combined with character upgrades. Rolling 100% crit chance + 100% crit damage on HP<30% is pretty darn awesome. Also like the art and the music a lot; especially the use of vocal songs (which I noticed straight from the start is nice in Transistor). Narrator is kind of annoying (and sword seemed kind of annoying in Transistor at the start), but I can live with it. Because of the options with weapons and stats the combat is better than I gave it credit for initially. Pretty nice game. Will probably play Transistor after I finish it.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #27152 on:** October 14, 2015, 03:30:24 PM »

I need to go back to Transistor at some point. I really liked it from the little I played.

But I never especially cared for Bastion relative to the amount of praise it got.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27153 on:** October 14, 2015, 03:44:08 PM »

I'm going thru transistor right now and it's pretty fun, but damn that sidekick really needs to shut the fuck up. no one needs to talk that damn much, and like 80% of the comments are throwaways.

the gameplay is a mix of real time action and srpg planning. it's good.

Fifstar · « **Reply #27154 on:** October 14, 2015, 04:09:13 PM »

Bastion is a nice looking game, but I felt the gameplay was really boring.

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #27155 on:** October 14, 2015, 04:27:40 PM »

I thought the whole Bioshock Infinite stuff was supposed to be intentionally offensive.

chronovore · « **Reply #27156 on:** October 14, 2015, 08:14:25 PM »

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2015, 04:27:40 PM

I thought the whole Bioshock Infinite stuff was supposed to be intentionally offensive.

Story stuff, sure. Not the gameplay, though.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27157 on:** October 14, 2015, 11:36:50 PM »

Finished Bastion, that was good! Really any flaws or issues I have with the game are minor like the talking guy is annoying, I don't like that it forces you to pick up and use new weapons (sometimes for the rest of the entire stage) when you spend a lot of time upgrading and modifying the equipment you're taking in, that once you start the final level you can't change your character skills, and I don't like the last 25% of the final level where you move ultra slow walk speed.

Otherwise, great, great pacing. Flew through it in 2 sessions of about 2-3 hours each and couldn't put it down. Moves quick, has solid arpg combat with stats, combat feels like Devil May Cry x Diablo from an isometric view. Really liked the art & music, especially the vocal songs, story was fine and not intrusive and was satisfying. Liked the rpg systems of character growth.

It kind of reminded me a lot of Shadowruns Returns. Has that same low budget Unity-ish feel (dunno what engine it's on) with good rpg mechanics, and good gameplay but all a bit dumbed down for a modern more shallow audience, but because of that plays very well and still has some depth and choices.

I'm glad I gave this another shot since I wrote it off back in the day. What's the opposite of a game feeling dated? Ahead of it's time? Because Bastion feels real good to play today even though it's about 5 years old now.

Didn't know that Greg Kasavin of Gamespot was the writer, wikipedia says he was also creative director for Bastion and Transistor. Hmmm, I have this theory that like with Yahtzee good game critics make good game directors or producers because they're able to spot the pitfalls that games in the genre fall into that make games tedious/annoying/unfun. They're not necessarily any better at creating a game idea or hands on directing a game than anyone else, but I think as a co-director, creative director or publisher that stands back and keeps the game on track and fixes issues dragging it down it's a good position for good critics with a critical eye and years and familiarity with games and in genre the game is being made in. I dunno, just my theory. I like to think it's why when I finally make my game it'll be good

Kara · « **Reply #27158 on:** October 14, 2015, 11:46:43 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on October 14, 2015, 11:36:50 PM

What's the opposite of a game feeling dated? Ahead of it's time?

Enduring.

chronovore · « **Reply #27159 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:16:50 AM »

My favorite thing about Kasavin's transition from games journalist to game developer was that I never once heard him complain about how hard it is.

Just about every other journalist, if they ever actually try making a game, laments just how nastily they treated developers in the past, because they never new just how much trouble it was. Former-journalist tears are more delicious than ambrosia, but Kasavin never publicly complained, and I respect that.

demi · « **Reply #27160 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:18:00 AM »

I thought Bastion was boring - nice visuals and music though.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27161 on:** October 15, 2015, 04:06:52 PM »

Quote from: demi on October 15, 2015, 11:18:00 AM

I thought Bastion was boring - nice visuals and music though.

What'd you find boring about it? The combat was decently challenging and you could increase the challenge if it was too easy with the idols for extra xp/coinage. And outside the last bit you move pretty quick and so you're speeding through the stages fighting and dodging and countering stuff and there's a whole wealth of different playing weapons if some are too slow or not fun. I ended up using the super fast knife sword and the army carbine rifle with aim speed + 100% and it was great.

In fact, I liked the combat so much that my favorite gameplay part of the whole game was the 18 wave optional arena at the smoking cigar in the base. Reminded me of Bloody Palace from dmc, the way you adjust your weapons and strategies based on the enemy types and long-term survival strategies.

demi · « **Reply #27162 on:** October 15, 2015, 04:09:36 PM »

It just wasnt exciting to play. It was an interactive pop-up storybook. There is stuff like XP and numbers popping out when it clearly wasnt at all a Diablo type experience. Just silly.

Rufus · « **Reply #27163 on:** October 15, 2015, 04:23:25 PM »

Yup, thought the same thing. The voiceover didn't really do anything for me either.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27164 on:** October 15, 2015, 05:07:24 PM »

Seems like you need the combat to click and enjoy the game for that or else you're just running through a bunch of pretty pictures with a guy who never shuts up. I think I enjoyed primarily because I enjoyed the combat with its depth and options.

But yeah gaming stuff is subjective, certain gameplay styles don't click for everyone. I mean I really liked The Order, much more than Until Dawn, but I know I'm in the minority there. Game just clicked and hit all the right notes for me whereas Until Dawn was alright but janky.

BrokenVerses · « **Reply #27165 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:31:35 PM »

Nier

Should I just be skipping the sidequests?

Bebpo · « **Reply #27166 on:** October 16, 2015, 12:10:09 AM »

Started next round of short games:

Castle in the Darkness - I really like this Castlevania w/slight metroidvania but man is it fucking hard. I'm a half dozen or so bosses in and every boss fight makes me swear more than I have in a while. Doesn't help the bosses are usually 2-3 screens from save points and you spend 30-60 seconds getting back to them only to die in lie <10-15 seconds sometimes. I hear it gets easier later as you get some better items/equip/magic. Also I dunno if it's because I'm using a wireless bluetooth ps4 controller but I swear there's like a very slight lag to the controls which makes it even harder.

The Last Door - Short, fast paced Edgar Allen Poe x Lovecraft point and click adventure. Finished the first ep in 27 mins and it's 4 eps long. Plays well, looks alright, has nice music, and writing is good enough. Enjoying it.

Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Man, I haven't played one of these CoD games since MW2 and I'm not having fun. There's zero weight to your character and it's near impossible to see the dozens upon dozens of enemies that keep showing up unless you use your tactical grenade that outlines them in red, but then you run out of those and you can't see shit. I like all weird future tools, but I dunno, it doesn't feel good to play. Also way too much tutorial and having to watch the intro FMV movie every time you boot the game as it loads the level is really lame. Dunno if I'll stick with this.

The Legend of Sunblade · « **Reply #27167 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:48:59 AM »

Quote from: Viconia DeVir on October 15, 2015, 11:31:35 PM

Nier

Should I just be skipping the sidequests?

You shouldn't do /every/ side quest, but def do any that catch your eye. A lot of them have unique voiced dialogue between Weiss and Nier while you're running up and down doing stuff, often Weiss questioning the point of what they're doing.

Bebpo · « **Reply #27168 on:** October 16, 2015, 02:26:10 AM »

Castle in the Darkness is seriously flawed. With all the branching and no easy/quick ways to backtrack it's so easy to miss some weapon or armor upgrade and then you get to a boss and you're doing 0 damage and have no idea how far back and where there was something you missed. I'm about 50% through the game now and even though I like it most of the time, about 30% of the time the game is just broken, badly designed and a total pain in the ass. Might bail on it.

chronovore · « **Reply #27169 on:** October 16, 2015, 02:39:50 AM »

Quote from: The Legend of Sunblade on October 16, 2015, 01:48:59 AM

Quote from: Viconia DeVir on October 15, 2015, 11:31:35 PM
Nier

Should I just be skipping the sidequests?
You shouldn't do /every/ side quest, but def do any that catch your eye. A lot of them have unique voiced dialogue between Weiss and Nier while you're running up and down doing stuff, often Weiss questioning the point of what they're doing.

I tried doing each side quest as it became available and quickly lost interest in the game due to feeling like I was making no progress at all.

The Legend of Sunblade · « **Reply #27170 on:** October 16, 2015, 04:18:33 AM »

There's a sidequest in nier that asks you to do some through gardening and cross pollination that involves waiting an entire week in real earth time before the plants/seeds actually grow, for every single new seed. Every person whose ever done it cheesed it with the console's system clock, I refuse to believe otherwise.

I appreciate how weird and world-buildy a lot of Nier's sidequests are, since theu often feature isolated side-stories within each of the towns and its residents, but some of them are just a slog to do. Better than Xenoblade's at least.

chronovore · « **Reply #27171 on:** October 16, 2015, 05:30:55 AM »

Yeah, fuck that noise. Man, that is such typical Japanese "genius" and "creative" game design -- make 'em wait in real-time world weeks. What the fucking fuckity fuck?

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27172 on:** October 16, 2015, 08:00:05 AM »

fuck all of niers side quests. the only one you need to do is the hog killing one that's available from the start bc it enables semi fast travel. every single other one will have you grinding enemies out running back and forth and back and forth between towns. the only reward is gold which you really don't need. the ONLY reason to dothem is if you really really really love the world and want to see some more of it. but since they're not fun at all and the game's really repetitive as is, just skip them and do the main quest.

tiesto · « **Reply #27173 on:** October 16, 2015, 12:06:00 PM »

The sidequests were fairly lame, I did em all anyways. The boar one was awesome though, because getting access to the boar and doing drifts on it is amazing.

brob · « **Reply #27174 on:** October 16, 2015, 12:09:51 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on October 16, 2015, 05:30:55 AM

Yeah, fuck that noise. Man, that is such typical Japanese "genius" and "creative" game design -- make 'em wait in real-time world weeks. What the fucking fuckity fuck?

The Japanese have always been GOAT at this kind of trollery, respect the hussle imo.

Kara · « **Reply #27175 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:29:54 PM »

I'm going to do that sidequest in Nier legit. It is my destiny.

mormapope · « **Reply #27176 on:** October 16, 2015, 02:05:39 PM »

I think some or a few side quests give you weapons. And you need to collect all the weapons in the game to access Ending C and Ending D.

Nier is probably my favorite game from last gen. If the story and music doesn't click with you, then yeah, the game won't be nearly as entertaining. I think people shit on the gameplay and design too much when it comes to the main quest. Its pretty damn varied design wise for an action RPG.

Best misery for all living things and guilt simulator of all time.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27177 on:** October 16, 2015, 03:29:14 PM »

the quests that give you weapons are in the second half of the game and available in new game plus. since the first half of the game isn't in new game plus the sidequests have no real rewards.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #27178 on:** October 16, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »

also the gameplay has neat ideas but i think it fails at execution. your character isn't responsive enough for the bullet hell enemies, and a few specials are way more effective at countering them.

I'm real excited to see what platinum will pull off with the sequel.

mormapope · « **Reply #27179 on:** October 16, 2015, 03:36:26 PM »

That was definitely a problem with combat, once you got a couple of abilities and one of those OP spear weapons the combat stops mattering.

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