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« Reply #420 on: August 08, 2010, 12:51:45 AM »
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« Reply #421 on: August 08, 2010, 12:55:06 AM »
What a fucking fight. Holy mother fuck.
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« Reply #422 on: August 08, 2010, 12:56:29 AM »
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« Reply #423 on: August 08, 2010, 12:57:18 AM »
Sonnen only helped himself with this fight. Even with the loss. There will be a rematch at some point even if it isn't the very next fight. He performed better and let's be honest here. He dominated the fight like very few thought he could or would. Sonnen is known for letting himself get caught in subs and the name of the game is to win and he didn't but honestly he's a much bigger draw now than he ever was. He can actually make real money and the eventual rematch is going to be a big time money fight.

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« Reply #424 on: August 08, 2010, 01:06:26 AM »
Man now I wish I owned Undisputed 2010. I feel like playing a UFC videogame now.

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« Reply #425 on: August 08, 2010, 01:42:50 AM »
One final comment before I go to bed. Even though Sonnen gets a lot of respect from me for this fight tonight he needs to stop that bs I didn't tap kinda shit he does. If you tap fucking tap. Don't try to pull some half bull shit and then keep fighting as if you didn't tap. That's how people get hurt.

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« Reply #426 on: August 08, 2010, 10:06:25 PM »
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« Reply #427 on: August 08, 2010, 10:35:47 PM »
Stoney's string of posts during the fight pretty much sums up my series of reactions. The rematch will be interesting.
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« Reply #428 on: August 08, 2010, 11:21:02 PM »
that was the most amazing fucking shit i have ever seen

oh my fucking god

silva > fedor
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« Reply #429 on: August 09, 2010, 12:39:14 AM »
It was pretty entertaining thinking about what turmoil in the P4P rankings was going to be caused by Chael's victory
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« Reply #430 on: August 09, 2010, 12:52:20 AM »
Also I pretty much lost my mind at the end of the Hughes fight. I was in mid-sip when he knocked down Almeida, so I ended up spitting beer all over my t-shirt in my yelling OHHH SHIT OHHH OHHHHHHHHH OH FUCK like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
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« Reply #431 on: August 09, 2010, 08:24:43 PM »
Notwithstanding whatever effects Silva's injury had on his performance, I want to see GSP/Silva more than ever now.  GSP sure as fuck ain't getting triangled.
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« Reply #432 on: August 09, 2010, 08:31:57 PM »
"According to CompuStrike, in his first 11 UFC fights, Silva was hit 208 times. Sonnen hit him a total of 289 times."

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« Reply #433 on: August 09, 2010, 08:34:46 PM »
"According to CompuStrike, in his first 11 UFC fights, Silva was hit 208 times. Sonnen hit him a total of 289 times."

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Most insane comeback ever.  Tops Fedor/Fujita, Fedor/Randleman, and Nog/Crocop for sure.
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« Reply #434 on: August 10, 2010, 07:28:25 AM »
SILVA IS GOD :bow2
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« Reply #435 on: August 10, 2010, 07:35:11 AM »
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« Reply #436 on: August 21, 2010, 10:03:46 PM »
Forgot to mention it which kinds of shows my low interest level but there is a strikeforce showtime card on right now.

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Middleweight Championship bout:  Ronaldo Souza vs.  Tim Kennedy
Lightweight bout:  KJ Noons vs.  Jorge Gurgel
Heavyweight bout:  Bobby Lashley vs.  Chad Griggs

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« Reply #437 on: August 21, 2010, 11:47:15 PM »
Tickets for UFC 121 just went on sale. May end up going.
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« Reply #438 on: August 22, 2010, 12:09:16 AM »
lol

Lashley and Lawal lost last night.


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« Reply #439 on: August 22, 2010, 12:12:24 AM »
MOOOOOOOOO :'(

He'll be back. Mousasi has a better shot at getting the belt back now too. I'm interested to see how they sort out the contender picture
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« Reply #440 on: August 28, 2010, 02:01:54 AM »
As much as I hope and pray for Edgar to strike with his lightning twice, I don't see it happening.

Nonetheless, it shall be satisfying to see Couture pound Toney out, though I foresee an "Art Jimmerson" moment where Toney punks out and taps as soon as he gets taken down.

Really hyped for Florian/Maynard though.  Cheering for Florian.  I think he's the clear #2 at lightweight, just not sure he has what it takes to beat BJ.

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« Reply #441 on: August 28, 2010, 02:06:33 AM »
also:  can't believe how ridiculously pudgy Toney came in.  Other than Roy Nelson, I don't think I've EVER seen someone with that big a belly come in for a UFC fight in the past ten years.



On another note, I don't believe I made any comment on the news that Ontario would be sanctioning MMA next year.  It's been a well known fact that in all of North America, Toronto has been the #1 per capita market for MMA.  And if, next year, the UFC comes to the Skydome with GSP headlining, to sell out over 60k seats, I will be buying myself floor seats for the event.  Can't wait. :rock
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« Reply #442 on: August 28, 2010, 04:37:40 AM »
I'm praying Toney doesn't land something nasty early on. Randy's got a good chin, and he probably hasn't been over-training, but that phrase "a puncher's chance" keeps ringing in my ears.

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« Reply #443 on: August 28, 2010, 12:29:37 PM »
Not overly interested in this card. Especially the Toney Couture fight which seems to only function as a point of pride with MMA fans for some reason. Completely meaningless that one is although as much as I love Randy and think Toney is in over his head, a part of me wants Toney to win just to see the meltdowns even though that is unlikely to happen.

If Penn just actually tries here and secure a few takedowns he should win easily but lately Penn just wants to box which is how he got the first fight stolen from him. Flordian and Maynard is a good fight. I really like KenFlo. Anyway here is the card.

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Welterweight bout:  Mike Pierce vs.  Amilcar Alves
Welterweight bout:  Nick Osipczak vs.  Greg Soto
Middleweight bout:  Dan Miller vs.  John Salter
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Lightweight bout:  Andre Winner vs.  Nik Lentz
Lightweight bout:  Joe Lauzon vs.  Gabe Ruediger
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Welterweight bout:  Nate Diaz vs.  Marcus Davis
Lightweight bout:  Kenny Florian vs.  Gray Maynard
Middleweight bout:  Demian Maia vs.  Mario Miranda
Heavyweight bout:  Randy Couture vs.  James Toney
Lightweight Championship bout:  Frankie Edgar vs.  B.J. Penn

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« Reply #444 on: August 28, 2010, 10:14:11 PM »
I can't believe Nate Diaz has gone up in weight class. Dude is like a stick. He's not going to be able to beat the big top 170 guys.
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« Reply #445 on: August 28, 2010, 10:43:36 PM »
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« Reply #446 on: August 28, 2010, 11:05:03 PM »
sigh. Kenflo lost to the boring wrestler. Maynard deserves it but I just kinda sometimes wish the ocatagon was bigger so the cage and putting a person on it and dragging them down wasn't the biggest factor in a fight. But it is what it is.
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« Reply #447 on: August 28, 2010, 11:38:22 PM »

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« Reply #448 on: August 28, 2010, 11:42:54 PM »
here comes the freakshow fight. Supposedly Toney is getting a million bucks for this.

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« Reply #449 on: August 28, 2010, 11:55:10 PM »
And that was just as pointless as I thought it would be. No more of these bullshit fights please.

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« Reply #450 on: August 29, 2010, 12:25:02 AM »
I can't believe BJ can't take this little guy down.

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« Reply #451 on: August 29, 2010, 12:28:00 AM »
BJ is gonna lose this fight in the exact same way he did the first one. It's the same fight again.

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« Reply #452 on: August 29, 2010, 12:30:19 AM »
I don't understand how dumb BJ is.


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« Reply #453 on: August 29, 2010, 12:38:12 AM »
BJ had such a shitty gameplan. He should have been trying to take him down all fight. I guess he's scared to do it because of his poor cardio.

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« Reply #454 on: August 29, 2010, 12:39:24 AM »
It's over, Penn tried in the last round though!

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« Reply #455 on: August 29, 2010, 12:42:30 AM »
I don't think BJ won a round.

edit: And all three judges agreed.
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« Reply #456 on: August 30, 2010, 03:39:29 PM »
Jesus, BJ Penn.

He didn't even look like he was interested in fighting Edgar.
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« Reply #457 on: August 30, 2010, 07:04:33 PM »
I feel like a wave of UFC legends and heroes has peaked, and we need to be looking for whomever is next. This isn't like the WWE where they can trot out grandpa Ric Flair and have the fans still go wild.

Penn's unstoppable nature has been stopped. Couture is unlikely to make heavyweight champion again; I don't see him doing well against Carwin or Lesnar. Liddell is going to get killed if he goes out again. Anderson Silva will probably go down in the next fight if he goes up against someone who both has a ground game -and- can avoid subs.

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« Reply #458 on: August 30, 2010, 07:42:22 PM »
It's time for Jon Jones, Aldo, etc

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« Reply #459 on: August 30, 2010, 07:46:44 PM »
I think things looks very good. You have a group of young heavyweights who are emerging or are contenders. You have Brock Lesnar as a monster in the heavyweight division.

GSP controls the welterweight division.

LHW is a bit muddled right now but then that's only because the annointed king in Machida was disposed but you still have a bunch of relatively good guys in the mix.

Anderson Silva has some competition for probably the first time in years in the UFC which is a good thing.

Lightweights have a new champ who say what you will about him, he won't coast like BJ was prone to do. Even if he loses his next fight against maynard.

I consider people like Couture, Liddell, Ortiz, etc part of the seniors circuit. They will always be popular and people will always want to see them fight whether they are relevant or not.

If anything I'd like to get away from anointing people as the next big thing and let it come when it comes. 

My only issue currently with the UFC is the dominance of grapplers. I would like to see some changes made to even the playing field a bit but I'm not exactly sure what those changes would be. I don't want to get rid of wrestling or demean it. But currently I sort of feel that grapplers are overwhelming the product. But that might strictly be a preference thing on my part.
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« Reply #460 on: August 30, 2010, 09:33:28 PM »
Yeah, it's nutty to see the effect wrestlers' ground game has had on the sport. Not quite as unbalancing as BJJ used to be (when no-one else was doing BJJ, it seemed to be unstoppable), but in terms of the footwork, min/maxing their weight advantage, and cardio, wrestlers style of training seems very effective for the regimented weight-classes of UFC.

It's sad, I'm one of those dojo-crybabies who prefers to see honorable behavior. KenFlo is awesome, GSP is a hero, Mir is one of my favs... I enjoy seeing fighters give proper respect to each other, win or lose. Wrestling seems to generate the kind of permanent hard-on, go-bro, homophobic attitude that really gets on my nerves. Then again, I can point to some pretty traumatizing times in high school wrestling that have soured me on the athletes who prefer that particular discipline.

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« Reply #461 on: August 31, 2010, 11:48:18 AM »
There are some grapplers who really work to do damage. But I just get bored when I see some grapplers who basically can control their opposition but don't end up inflicting any real damage. Turns matches into wrestling exhibitions.

But maybe this is to be expected. There are so many great wrestling programs especially in the united states and kids who go into wrestling tend to do it from a relatively early age and progress all the way up to college. So they legit have years of training. In a full body combat sport where your back isn't too far away from a cage, it just seems like wrestling is the best base for controlling an opponent. I know others would say well people just need to learn to stop the takedown or learn wrestling and use it in reverse or work their own discipline but easier said than done in many cases.

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« Reply #462 on: August 31, 2010, 06:34:03 PM »
Yeah, there's that too, fer shure. It pleases no-one. You see a lot of people whining about lay-n-pray tactics, even from fighters who are pretty damned dynamic.

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« Reply #463 on: September 02, 2010, 11:41:37 PM »
Jon Fitch should be publicly stoned and hung. He's terrible
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« Reply #464 on: September 03, 2010, 07:11:40 AM »
Jon Fitch should be publicly stoned and hung. He's terrible

Just have GSP give him another shitkicking.  Same effect.
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« Reply #465 on: September 03, 2010, 07:36:13 AM »
I go back and re-watch PRIDE, I gotta say, there is a lot of great setup and direction, but I think most MMA fans who say it was better than the UFC is now are suffering from acute nostalgia.

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« Reply #466 on: September 03, 2010, 09:32:39 AM »
I think the impact of the big fights the UFC puts on these days is sorta lessened by the fact that we're spoiled with all the MMA we have to watch now. Bellator, UFC, WEC, Strikeforce, DREAM, and Sengoku all have regular cards ranging from okay to great. I didn't start seriously following the sport until the twilight of PRIDE, but looking back at some of those massive events they were putting on (Shockwave 2004, Bushido 9, Final Conflict 2005, etc) I can understand why some people might feel that way
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« Reply #467 on: September 04, 2010, 09:40:25 AM »
I agree, "looking back," they're pretty incredible. It's amazing what they were doing at the time. But people who are claiming that the fights themselves were better than what we get at UFC PPV level now are just viewing the past through rose-colored glasses.

I'd say if there's anything that was more interesting then, was that the sport had not evolved as much into its own discipline then. When it was mostly a test of one martial discipline against another, sumo vs. karate, ninjitsu vs. kung fu, boxing vs. pencak silat, and the Gracies were able run roughshod over everyone because BJJ was unknown.

Now that there are more rigorous rules, like strikes against the crown or back of head or spine, no slamming an opponent on his head (Sorry, Cote!), and everyone is operating with -some- level of understanding of stand-up, ground, and submission games, there's not as much chance of seeing a boxer -desperately- trying to avoid going to ground. Anymore, it seems like the new trend is the dominance of the amateur wrestler's ground game, even as their strength rarely seems to prove out in submission wins.

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« Reply #468 on: September 06, 2010, 06:16:37 AM »
However, I would like to put an exception in for any Shogun Rua fight. Holy hells, the man was on fire. Never a dull moment.

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« Reply #469 on: September 07, 2010, 03:22:10 AM »
What is the deal with Brazil and MMA, anyway?

I know BJJ is a strong component of MMA, but BJJ is based off judo, but if there was ever supposed to be an advantage in early exposure to a grappling sport, it seems like Japan should be making a stronger showing in the world stage.

I guess the presence of the gi limits the applicability of the judo commonly learned here, but it's not like it cannot be overcome with continued training. There are -so- many Brazilians in the sport, it's just surprising to me, I guess.

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« Reply #470 on: September 07, 2010, 12:38:32 PM »
What is the deal with Brazil and MMA, anyway?

I know BJJ is a strong component of MMA, but BJJ is based off judo, but if there was ever supposed to be an advantage in early exposure to a grappling sport, it seems like Japan should be making a stronger showing in the world stage.

I guess the presence of the gi limits the applicability of the judo commonly learned here, but it's not like it cannot be overcome with continued training. There are -so- many Brazilians in the sport, it's just surprising to me, I guess.

I think it has to do with simply the dominance and influence of the gracie's

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« Reply #471 on: September 15, 2010, 11:17:26 AM »
Free card tonight on spike.


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Welterweight bout:  Brian Foster vs.  Forrest Petz
Welterweight bout:  Anthony Waldburger vs.  David Mitchell
Middleweight bout:  Rich Attonito vs.  Rafael Natal
Middleweight bout:  Tomasz Drwal vs.  Dave Branch
Light Heavyweight bout:  Jared Hamman vs.  Kyle Kingsbury
Lightweight bout:  Yves Edwards vs.  John Gunderson

Main card
Lightweight bout:  Ross Pearson vs.  Cole Miller
Lightweight bout:  Jim Miller vs.  Gleison Tibau
Catchweight (159lbs) bout:  Efrain Escudero vs.  Charles Oliveira
Middleweight bout:  Nate Marquardt vs.  Rousimar Palhares

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« Reply #472 on: September 19, 2010, 05:29:23 AM »
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/CSAC-Sonnen-Positive-for-PEDs-at-UFC-117-26978

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According to California State Athletic Commission Executive Officer George Dodd, Chael Sonnen has been notified that he failed post-fight drug screening following his loss to Anderson Silva at UFC 117, which was held Aug. 7 at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, Calif.

“[Sonnen] received his notice yesterday,” Dodd told Sherdog.com shortly after the Shane Mosley-Sergio Mora boxing match ended Saturday night in Los Angeles.

In a conversation the day before, Dodd declined to comment on the situation, other than answering that all fighters from UFC 117 had passed drugs-of-abuse scans, but that the commission was still waiting on performance-enhancing drug screens from the event.

Dodd did not state which banned substance was red-flagged, but with a clean drugs-of-abuse scan it is clear the positive test was for a performance-enhancing substance.

The last major UFC banned-substance case in the state centered on UFC 73’s lightweight title match, which saw both competitors -- Sean Sherk and Hermes Franca -- test positive for PEDs. Both fighters were suspended for one year and fined, though Sherk appealed and had his suspension shortened to six months.

Sonnen is staring at a long layoff if he elects not to appeal or is denied. He was scheduled to rematch Silva Feb. 6 in Las Vegas, but that fight may be delayed or scrapped in light of these allegations.

Text messages to Sonnen went unreturned.

His manager Matt Lindland told Sherdog.com that he was cornering a fighter on the East Coast and had no knowledge of the positive test results.

Silva’s manager Ed Soares, who engaged in some heated exchanges via the media in the build up to the fight, was stunned when asked for his reaction.

“If it’s true, I feel really bad for him,” said Soares. “I know he did it to himself but it is really sad, he put on such a great performance that night it is just a shame it will be tarnished.”

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« Reply #473 on: September 19, 2010, 04:30:15 PM »
Saw that this morning :rofl Love the faux pity from Soares too
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« Reply #474 on: September 19, 2010, 05:02:45 PM »
Well, that sucks. I was so excited someone could go with Anderson Silva, even if it was a total fucking douchebag.

God I fucking hate Chael Sonnen.
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« Reply #475 on: September 19, 2010, 05:23:10 PM »
 :rofl

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« Reply #476 on: September 19, 2010, 07:33:56 PM »
This is even funnier when you consider he said that Lance Armstrong gave himself cancer
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« Reply #477 on: September 19, 2010, 08:01:43 PM »
:lol I totally forgot about that. Hoooooly shit

So who's next? I guess Marquardt? I'd still like to see Belfort
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« Reply #478 on: September 19, 2010, 10:13:25 PM »
Depends, could be winner of Belfort/Okami (I think that's the fight), or they could do Bisping if he beats Sexyama. Or just give Marquardt the fight again but I don't know if that's a draw at this point.

I'd go with whoever looks the best out of Bisping/Belfort if they win.
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« Reply #479 on: September 19, 2010, 10:14:57 PM »
Yushin Okami am cry.