Author Topic: Combat sports (MMA, boxing, etc) thread (Read 151523 times)

Bloodwake · « **Reply #300 on:** June 13, 2010, 07:24:24 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on June 13, 2010, 07:08:09 PM

Yeah, I never know if I'm cheering for Rich because he's a self-made talent, or because he's a smart, nice guy. Getting knocked out by The Spider isn't much of a knock against him, looking back now across Silva's record.

No, it really isn't. It's Anderson Fucking Silva. If he's not dancing around like a dumbass he's usually the best fighter active right now.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #301 on:** June 13, 2010, 07:29:02 PM »

Rich is a really nice dude and a good fighter. The problem is the UFC won't let him fight at the weight he should be fighting at. He's just a really good gatekeeper at LHW. He won't beat the top guys in that division. And he's a little small for a LHW.

But he's a much better fighter at middleweight where he is a big middle-weight. He's probably top three in the UFC at middleweight but he can't fight Silva again and they don't want him beating up the up and comers in that division who can eventually fight Silva. So he's in a weird spot. He has to fight in a division he is less suited for because of UFC matchmaking.

Rich has lost to 4 dudes in his career. Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, Vitor Belfort, and Dan Henderson. And the Dan Henderson fight could have gone either way. That's not a bad list.

chronovore · « **Reply #302 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:16:22 AM »

So just how badly is James Toney going to get his ass handed to him? I think Randy's only got to get him to the ground (likely not a problem) and lock in any kind of submission (perhaps a little less easy for Randy). The only way I see this going Toney's way is if Couture gets caught in the clinch, and even there I think Toney's going to have a career's worth of ingrained instincts working against him.

Boogie · « **Reply #303 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:22:55 AM »

Ya, the clinch won't save Toney. That's where Couture made a career out of eating people up and spitting them back out.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #304 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:36:46 AM »

Anyone that missed the WEC card on Sunday should try to catch a rerun or check out the fights on mma-core. Another one of those cards that looked kinda eh on paper but ended up being awesome. The Hominick/Jabouin fight was especially great. Hominick has come a long way from eking out a decision in a stand-up fight with Jorge Gurgel, no doubt thanks to Shawn Tompkins. The only fight I was dissatisfied with was the main event, and that was partly because it was marred by some terrible judging. But hey, these days it seems impossible to have an event without myopic judges or a bad stoppage, so what can you do

Boogie · « **Reply #305 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:44:11 AM »

Ya, I caught the Hominick and Horodecki fights online. Good stuff.

Quote from: OptimoPeach on June 22, 2010, 04:36:46 AM

. Hominick has come a long way from eking out a decision in a stand-up fight with Jorge Gurgel, no doubt thanks to Shawn Tompkins.

Bit of an odd statement, since Hominick has always trained under Tompkins, going back at least six years before the Gurgel fight. I think the Gurgel fight was just an off-night for Mark.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #306 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:51:19 AM »

Man I didn't think he hooked up with him until after his UFC days. I can't recall Tompkins being in his corner during the Gurgel fight, but it's been so long that I'm probably wrong.

Are there any Canadians that HAVEN'T trained under Tompkins at some point? I think he was cornering someone in every other fight on Sunday lol

Boogie · « **Reply #307 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:55:51 AM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on June 22, 2010, 04:51:19 AM

Man I didn't think he hooked up with him until after his UFC days. I can't recall Tompkins being in his corner during the Gurgel fight, but it's been so long that I'm probably wrong.

Naw, Hominick has been with Tompkins his entire career.

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Are there any Canadians that HAVEN'T trained under Tompkins at some point?

Nope. Hell, I've trained under Tompkins.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #308 on:** June 22, 2010, 05:01:08 AM »

That's crazy!

Boogie · « **Reply #309 on:** June 22, 2010, 05:07:47 AM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on June 22, 2010, 05:01:08 AM

That's crazy!

Ya. I started martial arts with Shawn, back when he was just teaching karate in a small town in southern Ontario. He gradually got into kickboxing, then MMA. So I trained karate and a bit of kickboxing under him for six years. Then I went off to university, where I started BJJ, but during the summers I came back to my hometown and trained MMA at Shawn's London club with Horodecki, Hominick, and Stout. This was just before Shawn made the move to the States full-time.

It's been about 3 years since I last trained with them all. Never would have thought when I started karate at age 12 that my sensei would end up living in Las Vegas and training the likes of Dan Henderson, Randy Couture, Forrest Griffin, and Wanderlei Silva.

chronovore · « **Reply #310 on:** June 22, 2010, 11:29:57 AM »

Badass.

Skidmark · « **Reply #311 on:** June 26, 2010, 03:08:21 AM »

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

chronovore · « **Reply #312 on:** June 26, 2010, 09:00:38 AM »

What are the odds on Werdum at this point? I'm tempted to put money on him, just on the off chance that he wins, because 1000-to-1 payoffs are so few and far between?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #313 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:11:48 AM »

Not a great card tonight but Fedor is fighting.

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Main Card
Heavyweight bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Fabricio Werdum
Middleweight bout: Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
Women's Featherweight Championship bout: Cristiane Santos(c) vs. Jan Finney
Lightweight bout: Josh Thomson vs. Pat Healy

Preliminary Card
Catchweight (175lb) bout: Ron Keslar vs. Chris Cope
Middleweight bout: Yancy Medeiros vs. Gareth Joseph
Lightweight bout: Bobby Stack vs. Derrick Burnsed
Welterweight bout: Brett Bergmark vs. Vagner Rocha

cubicle47b · « **Reply #314 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:18:19 AM »

Cyborg versus Cuddles. Wonder how that will go...

Skidmark · « **Reply #315 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:22:16 AM »

Quote from: chronovore on June 26, 2010, 09:00:38 AM

What are the odds on Werdum at this point? I'm tempted to put money on him, just on the off chance that he wins, because 1000-to-1 payoffs are so few and far between?

I don't really know much about odds, I think stoney can help you with that.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #316 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:27:50 AM »

I don't gamble but the last line I saw was something like

Fedor Emelianenko -550
Fabricio Werdum +325

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #317 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:56:55 PM »

It was a foregone conclusion it was going to happen but jesus cyborg just murdered somebody.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #318 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:27:23 PM »

Pretty good night of fights for what looked like a bad card.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #319 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:46:09 PM »

Holy shit Werdum beat Fedor. Submission.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #320 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:51:21 PM »

I'm gonnna love hearing from all the Sherdog and GAF Fedor nuthuggers.

Not because this invalidates Fedor or his amazing reign. Everybody gets beat. And if they rematched I would still favor Fedor. Werdum just had excellent anticipation and was able to capitalize.

Its just that those people were so fucking annoying.

This turned out to be a damn fine card. Maybe card of the year.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #321 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:51:58 PM »

My feed cut out and I missed it. :'(

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #322 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:53:42 PM »

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CajoleJuice‎: *subscribes to Dana White's Twitter feed* *waits*
Twitter - 4 minutes ago

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #323 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:57:19 PM »

lol. Reading that GAF thread is sweet. It's like somebody ran over their puppy.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #324 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:07:20 AM »

http://twitter.com/danawhite/status/17139197135

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #325 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:26:19 AM »

So I finally get to see it here:

#t=1m40s

That was really fucking dumb on Fedor's part. Wow.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #326 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:30:11 AM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 27, 2010, 12:26:19 AM

So I finally get to see it here:

#t=1m40s

That was really fucking dumb on Fedor's part. Wow.

It was a bad mistake but I think he just thought he was going to finish him right then and there. It happens. Everybody gets careless eventually. And Werdum was just set up perfectly. I'm not going to say it was lucky because dude has excellent bjj but if these guys fought 10 more times I would be doubtful that would be the final result many of those times.

Btw while you can knock Anderson Silva for some things this is why MMA fans are idiots for knocking him for not getting on the ground with people like Maia and Leites. Because that is what easily can happen if you are not careful.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #327 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:32:24 AM »

I totally agree with that regarding Silva. I think he got embarrassing in his last fight, but mostly I have zero problem with him and love watching him fight.

Also, you're right. Fedor kinda does that ALL the time. The guy is just relentless. This is the first time it's come back to bite him.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #328 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:39:25 AM »

Yeah it was kind of the best of both worlds for Werdum. He got hit and knocked down but it wasn't a very damaging hit. And the scramble after Fedor jumped in there was a perfect setup. A lot of people will try to spin this as being very damaging for the Fedor Legend. I kinda don't see it that way. I mean if he loses a few more times after this then yeah he is clearly on the decline, but this was just one of those things. He got careless and he got beat. Everybody gets beat in MMA. The only difference was that people thought those rules didn't exist for Fedor.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #329 on:** June 27, 2010, 01:06:04 AM »

Sherdoggers suiciding

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #330 on:** June 27, 2010, 01:13:07 AM »

Ugh

just UGH

Boogie · « **Reply #331 on:** June 27, 2010, 01:22:33 AM »

Well fuck.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #332 on:** June 27, 2010, 02:02:03 AM »

GOOD JON M1

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #333 on:** June 27, 2010, 08:23:33 AM »

Wait what, am i still sleeping?

Didn't watch this because it was later and i mean...it's Fedor...he won't lose against some nobody.

He lost? What the fuck, he losT?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #334 on:** June 27, 2010, 08:27:19 AM »

While I certainly didn't expect him to win and fully expected Fedor to roll all over him, Werdum isn't a nobody at all.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #335 on:** June 27, 2010, 08:37:27 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2010, 08:27:19 AM

While I certainly didn't expect him to win and fully expected Fedor to roll all over him, Werdum isn't a nobody at all.

Next to the God of MMA? Yes he was.

Now Werdum shall be seen as the man who beat a god.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #336 on:** June 27, 2010, 08:54:16 AM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 27, 2010, 08:37:27 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2010, 08:27:19 AM
While I certainly didn't expect him to win and fully expected Fedor to roll all over him, Werdum isn't a nobody at all.

Next to the God of MMA? Yes he was.

Now Werdum shall be seen as the man who beat a god.

Fedor's last 5 fights were against the following.

Brett Rogers
Andrei Arlovski
Tim Sylvia
Hong-Man Choi
Matt Lindland

All of which who if they beat him would have been considered nobody's. So if he was going to lose, he was going to lose to a "nobody" based on who he was fighting. A more appropriate observation would be maybe he should be fighting better people but that's a side debate.

Fabricio Werdum is a top notch BJJ guy with relatively weakish stand-up. He has beat Overeem, Fedor's brother, Gonzaga twice, etc. So if the fight was going to go any way it was probably Werdum getting knocked out in the stand-up or Werdum submitting Fedor. Like I said, I'm not trying to pretend anybody was saying Werdum was going to win, but its a fight. And anything can happen in a multi-discipline combat sport where you can't be the best in everything. Fedor nailed all the foolish people imo with a great quote.

"The one who doesn't fall never stands up. It happened that people made me an idol. But everybody loses. I'm just a human being. And if it's God's will next fight, I'll win."

The thing to do is appreciate great fighters and respect how rare they lose. Not pretend they are unbeatable.

<Takes off rant hat>

pilonv1 · « **Reply #337 on:** June 27, 2010, 10:57:30 AM »

Of course people lose in MMA. The issue here is that they've probably thrown away tens of millions of dollars by not having him fight in UFC.

Boogie · « **Reply #338 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:11:35 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 27, 2010, 10:57:30 AM

Of course people lose in MMA. The issue here is that they've probably thrown away tens of millions of dollars by not having him fight in UFC.

ya the hilarious part of this for me is fedor consoling his entourage.

His M-1 groupies are going to cry themselves to sleep for a while now that they just lost all of their leverage for the millions they've been able to make off Fedor.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #339 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:16:58 PM »

Fedor really over committed on that one. He had him down, but he needed to pace it. He almost got caught, and instead of backing out he pushed. Even he thought he was invincible.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #340 on:** June 28, 2010, 02:12:54 AM »

Quote from: Boogie on June 27, 2010, 12:11:35 PM

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 27, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
Of course people lose in MMA. The issue here is that they've probably thrown away tens of millions of dollars by not having him fight in UFC.

ya the hilarious part of this for me is fedor consoling his entourage.

His M-1 groupies are going to cry themselves to sleep for a while now that they just lost all of their leverage for the millions they've been able to make off Fedor.

He'll be lucky to get 50k/50k to win from Dana now. No value whatsoever.

Boogie · « **Reply #341 on:** June 28, 2010, 02:17:27 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 28, 2010, 02:12:54 AM

Quote from: Boogie on June 27, 2010, 12:11:35 PM

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 27, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
Of course people lose in MMA. The issue here is that they've probably thrown away tens of millions of dollars by not having him fight in UFC.

ya the hilarious part of this for me is fedor consoling his entourage.

His M-1 groupies are going to cry themselves to sleep for a while now that they just lost all of their leverage for the millions they've been able to make off Fedor.

He'll be lucky to get 50k/50k to win from Dana now. No value whatsoever.

I wouldn't go that far, but he sure as fuck isn't getting any potential $5 million per fight deals.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #342 on:** June 28, 2010, 02:38:40 AM »

This is seriously why you don't fuck around making fights. If you have a money making fight MAKE IT NOW

chronovore · « **Reply #343 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:30:31 AM »

Quote from: Boogie on June 27, 2010, 12:11:35 PM

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 27, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
Of course people lose in MMA. The issue here is that they've probably thrown away tens of millions of dollars by not having him fight in UFC.

ya the hilarious part of this for me is fedor consoling his entourage.

His M-1 groupies are going to cry themselves to sleep for a while now that they just lost all of their leverage for the millions they've been able to make off Fedor.

Yeah, this is likely the biggest thing right now. I feel like Fedor is just doing his thing, and unfortunately believing what his crew tells him. Meanwhile they're working the whole entourage scenario to its hilt. And now the whole "UNDEFEATED EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE LOSS THAT MAYBE WASN'T EVEN A LOSS" -- yeah, yeah. Sit down. He's got a real loss now.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #344 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:33:12 AM »

Honestly it sort of depends on what motivates this guy. And I think if it was purely money he would have taken the original UFC deal. I agree that he has lost a lot of bargaining power if he ever wanted to go to the UFC but I don't believe that was ever his aim.

It's not like he's broke. I'm sure he's a multi-millionaire many times over. It's more about whether M-1 has any actual longevity once he is gone and whether he can make money via that route even after he retires. I think that is what is questionable.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #345 on:** July 01, 2010, 12:10:09 PM »

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Strikeforce-Releases-Shields-Shields-Wants-Shot-at-Anderson-Silva-25435

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #346 on:** July 01, 2010, 12:18:18 PM »

Goddammit, just let Silva move up. These bitches are keeping him down with all these challenges.

You guys ain't good enough!

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #347 on:** July 03, 2010, 10:06:01 AM »

Card tonight.

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Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Shane Carwin (ic)
Middleweight bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Chris Leben
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Matt Brown
Light Heavyweight bout: Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Stephan Bonnar
Lightweight bout: George Sotiropoulos vs. Kurt Pellegrino[1]

[edit]Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Chris Tuchscherer
Light Heavyweight bout: Seth Petruzelli vs. Ricardo Romero

Surprised a bit to see how many pros picked Carwin

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/3/Pros-Pick-Lesnar-vs-Carwin-25450

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #348 on:** July 03, 2010, 11:38:41 AM »

If Brock can get Carwin in the ground right away, and just handle him with some GNP i think he will take this. But if he lets Carwin hit him, i don't care how big and athletic Lesnar is, Carwin will just knock him out.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #349 on:** July 03, 2010, 08:12:48 PM »

Carwin's gonna git raped

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #350 on:** July 03, 2010, 08:35:21 PM »

Highly highly doubt it.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #351 on:** July 03, 2010, 08:58:49 PM »

Anything can happen. And I give Carwin's a puncher chance. But I gotta go with Brock.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #352 on:** July 03, 2010, 09:30:19 PM »

Poor Seth. He looked way better than I thought he would, but the ending was about how I imagined it going.

My picks:

Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar (c) vs Shane Carwin (ic)
Middleweight bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Chris Leben
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Matt Brown
Light Heavyweight bout: Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Stephan Bonnar
Lightweight bout: George Sotiropoulos vs. Kurt Pellegrino

Preliminary card
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Chris Tuchscherer

I'm least decided on Lytle/Brown

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #353 on:** July 03, 2010, 09:42:23 PM »

Sexyama making the ring girls orgasm at the weigh-ins yesterday in case anyone missed it

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #354 on:** July 03, 2010, 09:57:31 PM »

Hell of a slam right there.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #355 on:** July 03, 2010, 10:11:05 PM »

Yeah that was sweet.

Pellegrino is gonna lose a limb here

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #356 on:** July 03, 2010, 10:32:28 PM »

I'm gonna lol so hard if they score that a 10-8 and it's a draw.

edit: Thank god. Still shitty scoring, but at least they got the winner right

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #357 on:** July 03, 2010, 10:57:36 PM »

Goddamn Pollacks suck at everything.

My Veetle stream died but I found another. If anyone needs one: http://xxxpremium.blogspot.com/2010/05/veetle-2.html

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #358 on:** July 03, 2010, 10:58:19 PM »

Yeah my stream died but then it came back. I'll keep that link in mind if the stream dies once the Lesnar fight starts like it did with Fedor.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #359 on:** July 03, 2010, 11:06:45 PM »

Ha yeah it's nice having more than one Veetle option.

Veetle

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Author Topic: Combat sports (MMA, boxing, etc) thread (Read 151523 times)