Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads

[Joe Molotov]

Anyone read this; is it good?



I've never read any Moorcock, but I saw this at the local bookstore for $3 and though "Eh, surely it's worth that."

[Cormacaroni]

worth it for Walt Simonson, although i can't imagine the Moorcock part compresses well into comics

[Eric P]

i LOVE moorcock probably more than anyone else here (i even read his hawkwind books *shudder*) and I can't stand his comics work

he doesn't get what makes comics work and stead treats each panel like an illustrated page from a picture book.  it just doesn't work out well at all

[Tasty]

IT'S OUT

[Joe Molotov]

IT'S OUT

WWFT*

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*Will Wait For Trade

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[ManaByte]

IT'S OUT

That's not Uncanny Avengers.

[Tasty]

ComicGAF says it sucks.

[Eric P]

Death of the Family" part 1 featuring the return of the Joker! He crippled Batgirl. He killed Robin.

did he?  i thought none of that happened

[Tasty]

Death of the Family" part 1 featuring the return of the Joker! He crippled Batgirl. He killed Robin.

did he?  i thought none of that happened

Definitely happened. It's just there weren't really any longlasting consequences. Todd was dead for like a year before coming back.

I know in Nightwing they made a special point of Dick talking down Babs for taking up Batgirl so soon after getting back on the wagon.

[Eric P]

I meant in the "new 52"

[Tasty]

I meant in the "new 52"

Me too.

Jason was dead for like 5-6 years in old continuity.

[Joe Molotov]

I meant in the "new 52"

Barbara being crippled is still in continuity, she just got automagically healed at the beginning of the New 52.

Which is still better than Jason Todd being resurrected by Superboy-Prime punching a hole in the space-time continuum.

[Tasty]

I meant in the "new 52"

Barbara being crippled is still in continuity, she just got automagically healed at the beginning of the New 52.

Which is still better than Jason Todd being resurrected by Superboy-Prime punching a hole in the space-time continuum.

Changed in New 52 to be a Lazarus Pit, like the movie.

[Eric P]

i think i'll just stick to jet blue hentai

[Tasty]

Batman #13 was amazing. In one issue, Scott Snyder puts the last 10 years of Bat-books to shame.

[Eel O'Brian]

holy hyperbole, andrex

[Cormacaroni]

[Tasty]

It's what I do best!

But seriously, it's pretty great. I was afraid that Joker's new face wouldn't live up to the hype, but it has (for me personally.)

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Also loved they pulled everyone in the Batfamily into things even if it was just a bunch of cameos. Joker in the precinct creeped me the hell out. But I was reading in a blacked-out room with TDK Rises music in the background. Him going after Barbara and Jim is an interesting and not totally unexpected twist, but I felt really scared for Gordon. Especially after him in the elevator... "Can you tell?"

Batman being a dunce is the only downside of the issue. Seriously, he couldn't avoid a giant hammer? Plus he did the shonen dumbass thing of "no one else take him, he's mine!" *proceeds to endanger tons of lives because of selfish pride*

Will be interesting to see how Damian's arrogance plays into things, he hasn't really been knocked down a peg, then again he did beat Joker to a pulp last time they faced off.

Also, guess it's confirmed, Joker knows Bruce is Batman. Knock knock, Alfred!

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[Eel O'Brian]

Seems like a standard "he's different this time" Joker story so far.

[Cormacaroni]

err, Joker beat Damian half to death after that, Andrex. Not that it has affected his confidence overly but what do you expect, he's 10.

It actually is sort of depressingly one-note and on the nose so far. The point of Joker was never just killing people, was it? It was being an unpredictable, anarchic force. Killing all the Bat-people is like the most predictable fucking thing he could possibly do. He's known the secret identities for years (and has done so in New 52 if he shot Barbara-as-Barbara) and could have killed everyone at any time. This just seems like more Geoff Johns-esque 'Let's draw the line between now and the past by introducing more random ultraviolence' riffing so far. I was excited to read it but not excited after finishing it, let's put it that way.

[Tasty]

Who said he's gonna kill any of them, or try to? He just killed a bunch of cops, which he does almost every time he shows up (it's just this time he did it in a much better, creepier way.) Lol if you think they'd actually kill <the person he attacked at the end of the issue> off.

[Cormacaroni]

Yeah of course he's not going to be doing any killing of significant cast characters; that just makes it all the lamer. They're calling it Death of the Family, not Death of a Bunch of Cops, but this will quickly be revealed as a shock tactic sales generator, as usual.

I'll say one thing for Robert Kirkman: Invincible and the Walking Dead cast are pretty lame as characters compared to the big Marvel/DC characters, but the actual books are usually way more exciting because they have actual consequence and story progression. He's maxing out what talent he has pretty effectively as a result.

[Cormacaroni]

p.s. i just did a re-read of Invincible from the start through the end of Viltrumite War - OMG Ryan Ottley looks amazing in CMX-HD in panel view. The series lost a fair bit of momentum after that but i'm kinda pumped for the build-up to #100 now.

[Eel O'Brian]

The face thing is really, really dumb. I can't get over it. Someone thought that was a good idea.

How about a story where the Joker kidnaps some random kid and brainwashes him into being his son?  You know, he's kind of jealous that Batman has a kid now, so he snatches up some pampered rich teen and fucks his brain up good, even going so far as to mutilate him to look like his "Dad." They could even get into some darker territory where you discover he's been trying to knock up Harley for years, and even succeeded a few times, but Harley always took a morning after pill or got an abortion before he found out because even though she's fucked up she's not fucked up enough to let him get his hands on a baby.

Anyway, Joker eventually regrets creating his own son, because it turns out the kid is a "better" Joker than he is - you know, actually funny and clever, brings in more money, doesn't arbitrarily kill the henchmen so they like him better, has charmed Harley into being a mother figure, etc. So of course Joker wants to kill him now. Now Batman's got two Jokers warring with each other and destroying large chunks of Gotham in the process.

As for stories with lasting impact...

You don't see the title of the story until the end, because that's been the kid's plan all along, to show up "Dad," to humiliate him and crush all his criminal enterprises, to get Harley on his side to the point she lets her guard down so he can publicly kill the one thing Joker gives a teeny bit of a shit about right in front of him,  all as payback for having his face/mind wrecked.

"Did You Hear The One About The Matricide?"

[Great Rumbler]

Dr. Feelbad > Grant Morrison

[Tasty]

A little? More like a lot.

Getting up your expectations for what you think should happen with any story is gonna doom it for you. Plus you were hating on this story before it came out, don't know what you expected.

[Cormacaroni]

The face thing isn't a TERRIBLE idea - the hook is that he has been able to move anonymously for the past year, and can still do so now if he feels like it, right? Although in a DC universe with time-travelling chairs and magic wishing rings and lest we forget, Batman's own magic face-masking tech from Snyder's own series....why this is really necessary vs just slapping on a mask is somewhat beyond me.

[chronovore]

I've been reading Scott Pilgrim.

It is pretty choice. The riffing on manga style without becoming a slave to it, the references to other media like video games and music, the awareness of the characters that they're in a book... it's all a lot of fun. I enjoyed the movie a bunch, but now I see why the comic was so darling.

[Eric P]

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/10/stan-lee-media-sues-disney-marvel-characters/

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

We've previously seen the estate of Jack Kirby try to wrestle back ownership of the characters the King of Comics had created for Marvel, and now it's apparently time for the corporation bearing the name of Kirby's co-conspirator to try the same thing. Yes, Stan Lee Media, Inc. has launched legal action against Marvel owner Disney, claiming that it is actually the true owner of all of Lee's characters at the publisher.

The company, founded in 1998 and having no real connection with Lee himself (The two have actually been involved in various legal battles against each other to underscore that fact), is suing Disney for the profits it has made from the various Marvel Entertainment movies and merchandise since it purchased the company in 2009, claiming that the copyright to Lee's various co-creations actually belongs to Stan Lee Media, Inc. and not Marvel, and therefore Disney.

"Defendant The Walt Disney Company has represented to the public that it, in fact, owns the copyright to these characters as well as to hundreds of other characters created by Stan Lee. Those representations made to the public by The Walt Disney Company are false," explains the lawsuit. SLMI is claiming that Lee signed over the rights to characters he created in October of 1998 in exchange for stock in Stan Lee Media, Inc., meaning that the November, 1998 agreement he signed with Marvel to assign the publisher control of the characters was worthless. "Lee no longer owned those rights since they had been assigned to SMI previously," the lawsuit explains.

"Accordingly, the Marvel agreement actually assigned nothing." Considering the near-mythical legal might of Disney, it's unlikely to imagine that this lawsuit will end up as anything more than a footnote in Marvel history, but if nothing else, we can look forward to a trial if only to find out why either Stan Lee Media, Inc. or Lee himself apparently believed that Lee had any ownership over the various Marvel Comics characters to assign in the first place.

[ManaByte]

Yeah of course he's not going to be doing any killing of significant cast characters; that just makes it all the lamer. They're calling it Death of the Family, not Death of a Bunch of Cops, but this will quickly be revealed as a shock tactic sales generator, as usual.

I'll say one thing for Robert Kirkman: Invincible and the Walking Dead cast are pretty lame as characters compared to the big Marvel/DC characters, but the actual books are usually way more exciting because they have actual consequence and story progression. He's maxing out what talent he has pretty effectively as a result.

No one at DC has read AvX 11 yet. Once they do, they'll do another knee-jerk reaction to what Marvel did and find some useless character to kill off.

It'll either be Jimmy, Perry White, or Krypto.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/10/stan-lee-media-sues-disney-marvel-characters/

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So if what I'm reading is correct, this company died when the dotcom bubble popped, and has existed only to sue and be sued by Stan Lee and Marvel ever since? Sounds like a pretty awesome business model.

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/10/stan-lee-media-sues-disney-marvel-characters/

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So if what I'm reading is correct, this company died when the dotcom bubble popped, and has existed only to sue and be sued by Stan Lee and Marvel ever since? Sounds like a pretty awesome business model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Lee_Media

Some really amazing stuff in here.

[Eel O'Brian]

about ten years or so ago i went on a group trip to carowinds amusement park

it was august (that was a brilliant plan), so of course it was 80 jillion degrees, and one of the group and i decided fuck the heat and opted to hop from theater show to theater show instead of getting heat stroke standing in line for rides

one of the shows we saw was a stan lee media joint, some animated 3D adventure starring outcast teens with superpowers

it was a total x-men ripoff, and it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked in the way only an eighty year old man writing teen characters could (but the way the mechanized theater chairs tossed you around was pretty cool)

so when i think of stan lee post-marvel i think of stumbling around in a hellish amusement park wasteland with heat haze coming off the asphalt, and "at least it was air conditioned"

[Yeti]

about ten years or so ago i went on a group trip to carowinds amusement park

it was august (that was a brilliant plan), so of course it was 80 jillion degrees, and one of the group and i decided fuck the heat and opted to hop from theater show to theater show instead of getting heat stroke standing in line for rides

one of the shows we saw was a stan lee media joint, some animated 3D adventure starring outcast teens with superpowers

it was a total x-men ripoff, and it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked in the way only an eighty year old man writing teen characters could (but the way the mechanized theater chairs tossed you around was pretty cool)

so when i think of stan lee post-marvel i think of stumbling around in a hellish amusement park wasteland with heat haze coming off the asphalt, and "at least it was air conditioned"

7th Portal? I actually worked at this ride back when I worked at King's Island. It replaced my beloved James Bond License to Thrill Ride. The whole thing just makes me laugh, from the blatant Darkseid/Thanos rip off to the fact they have characters named things like Oxblood and Levitatia (because she can levitate!)

[Eel O'Brian]

Hahaha, yeah, that's the one

[Cormacaroni]

He's a brilliant artist, yeah, which is why I was excited to read it. The writing however...it's just too obvious and hammers home every point, even though the reader has probably seen it all coming anyway. It's a rookie effort though so he may improve. I'll likely read it from the start again when it is all done.

[Cormacaroni]

The only stuff i've read is Joe the Barbarian (with Grant Morrison), which was disappointing, and a great American Vampire spin-off mini. Pretty sure you'd like American Vampire actually. It's not the most amazing comic ever but it always looks great and is reliably entertaining. I think he came up on 2000 AD but not 100% on that.

[Verdigris Murder]

I gave 100 Bullets a go, tbh it's pretty clunky, and it reminds me of Prison Break for some reason.

[Verdigris Murder]

I'm pretty much just waiting for Brubaker to complete Fatale, which has been excellent so far, but not as good as Crime stories or Incognito/Sleeper.

[Diunx]

no more Phoenix ever.

[Eric P]

http://www.factmag.com/2012/10/12/rza-signs-up-to-direct-adaption-of-grant-morrisons-happy/

With his directorial debut and accompanying soundtrack due out in the next few weeks, the RZA is striking while the iron is hot. According to The Hollywood Reporter, he has signed up to adapt Grant Morrison’s latest comic, Happy!.

Happy! debuted just last month via Image Comics, featuring art by industry vet Darick Robertson. It centers a corrupt ex-cop and hit man who, after a hit goes bad, is suddenly able to see Happy, “a cheerful little blue horse who won’t give in to adversity, no matter what unpleasant obstacles are in the way.” It has been described as a mix between It’s a Wonderful Life, Sin City and Care Bears.

RZA will co-produce with Reginald Hudlin, the director of House Party and former president of BET; the pair announced a partnership at this year’s Comic-Con.

Morrison will write the script. He is best known for his acclaimed runs on various Batman, Superman, and X-Men titles, and he has been awarded the honor of Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire by Her Majesty the Queen for his services to literature.

[chronovore]

The only stuff i've read is Joe the Barbarian (with Grant Morrison), which was disappointing, and a great American Vampire spin-off mini. Pretty sure you'd like American Vampire actually. It's not the most amazing comic ever but it always looks great and is reliably entertaining. I think he came up on 2000 AD but not 100% on that.

Yeah, I'm reading Joe the Barbarian right now; I had high hopes, but I am not amused at having dropped hardcover money on this.

no more Phoenix ever.

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[parallax]

I gave 100 Bullets a go, tbh it's pretty clunky, and it reminds me of Prison Break for some reason.

how far did you get into it? it starts of pretty pulpy with the individual stories, but it starts to kick up.

[Cormacaroni]

I uh, bought all of 100 Bullets in a comixology sale and haven't read a word of it. And in the interim, I've discovered via Wonder Woman that Azzarello's writing style irritates the FUCK out of me. 

[Joe Molotov]

My copy of Batman: Odyssey should be arriving today via Based Amazon Prime. Is it as insane as I've been led to believe? Because every panel I've seen of it looks like pure LSD-in-my-eyeballs insane, and I've seen quite a few panels from it.

[Eric P]

http://hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/

what in the hell?

[Joe Molotov]

http://hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/

what in the hell?

He's the godammed Geoff Johns, that's what.

[Rahxephon91]

So if I want to get back into X-men now, what are the ongoing series? And which ones should I actually read?

[bork]

So if I want to get back into X-men now, what are the ongoing series? And which ones should I actually read?

With Marvel Now starting up, who the hell knows?   

I think Wolverine And The X-Men will remain an on-going series, but some of the others are going to be canceled and restarted with new books.

Check out Uncanny X-Force.  It's also about to end, but it's completely self-contained and worth the read.

[Rahxephon91]

Oh so Uncanny X-force is about to end. I went to the local comic shop today and actually picked up some of that. Seemed pretty good.

I'll try to dive into some back issues in the coming months. Avengers Vs X-men sounds kind of cool.

I basically stopped reading after Grant Morrison left, so I'm going to be lost, but some of the status quo changes sound cool. I really liked where they took Cyclops after he came back, so I really want to dig into whats been going on in the X-men recently and where they are going.

Also picked up Uncanny Avengers. Seemed ok. The idea of Havok leading sounds as dumb as ever, but whatever.

[bork]

Avengers Vs. X-Men dragged on and a lot of it just felt like filler.  The various Avengers and X books associated with it generally had more interesting storylines.

Also Uncanny Avengers is a direct continuation of AvX...I would have waited to read that.

IIRC X-Force is getting restarted as two separate books.  One is the next version of the team in Uncanny (led by Psylocke now) and the other is an "outlaw" team led by a returning Cable.

A recent book that started is "The First X-Men," drawn by crazy ol' Neal Adams.  It's more retcon crap that makes it so that the very first team of mutants was led by Wolverine and Sabertooth, because Wolverine needed to be on yet another team.  Magneto and Xavier are in and are kind of dicks. 

There is also going to be another New X-Men book, which brings back the original five X-Men...literally.  Beast goes back in time and brings them into the future.

[Cormacaroni]

After a while, you can just pick the ones by the writer(s) who you like. At the start, faced with all those books and all those creators you aren't familiar with, it must be fucking baffling.

I haven't tried the X-Men since Brian Wood came on. I tried one issue of his mini-series with Quentin Quire, didn't like it much. I like the occasional thing he does (like Conan now) but never really for anything he does on the books, I think.

I've really liked Wolverine and the X-men (or WAX as i call it) and Uncanny X-Force. I'd be more tempted to try Remender's Uncanny Avengers than the spin-off UXF books though. I can't remember who's writing those (Sam Humphries?) - my impression was I would probably given the first issues a shot but wasn't wildly excited about 'em.

[chronovore]

After a while, you can just pick the ones by the writer(s) who you like. At the start, faced with all those books and all those creators you aren't familiar with, it must be fucking baffling.

I haven't tried the X-Men since Brian Wood came on. I tried one issue of his mini-series with Quentin Quire, didn't like it much. I like the occasional thing he does (like Conan now) but never really for anything he does on the books, I think.

I've really liked Wolverine and the X-men (or WAX as i call it) and Uncanny X-Force. I'd be more tempted to try Remender's Uncanny Avengers than the spin-off UXF books though. I can't remember who's writing those (Sam Humphries?) - my impression was I would probably given the first issues a shot but wasn't wildly excited about 'em.

What the fuck?

Quinton is also back from the dead?

I am sad that Morrison can create new characters to create interest and empathy with the readers, so that when they die there is legitimate sadness even though the standard comic book status quo is maintained... only to have Marvel bring them back anyway! MAN.

[Cormacaroni]

Marvel erased most of Morrison's changes basically the next month

Hawkeye 3

Everyone should read Hawkeye, just a beautiful, fun, stylish comic

[Cormacaroni]

[Verdigris Murder]

I gave 100 Bullets a go, tbh it's pretty clunky, and it reminds me of Prison Break for some reason.

how far did you get into it? it starts of pretty pulpy with the individual stories, but it starts to kick up.

I've just reached the 'Croatoa' bit, and yep it's getting better, still something seems off. Like that Grant Morrison guy.

[Verdigris Murder]

Also great art in Cherry.

[Verdigris Murder]

Actually it's about a guy who uses a bow and arrow.

I accidentally bought Alan Moore and his wife's porn journey. It's a chunky ass HB, and after a cursory flip through, it seems really into doggy style. It's basically a reactionary coffee-table book.

[Eric P]

lost girls is horrible

[Eric P]

it's an overserious pretentious tijuana bible