Author Topic: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads (Read 1054405 times)

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #1980 on:** January 31, 2013, 01:38:32 PM »

Seven Soldiers was really good. It's not heavily tied into continuity and most of the characters in it are obscure, rarely-used characters, or characters Morrison made up for the series.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #1981 on:** January 31, 2013, 02:50:40 PM »

Seven Soldiers is great, all of its major continuity is internal.

It MIGHT help to brush up a bit on Kirby's New Gods for the Mister Miracle section - it works without it, but you'll get a lot more if you do a 10-minute Wiki refresher on the major players.

P.S. Chop Suzi is mai waifu

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1982 on:** January 31, 2013, 08:45:26 PM »

The 2nd volume of Kamandi may be even more god-like than the first. It is so very very odd and stuffed with amazement

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1983 on:** January 31, 2013, 09:15:41 PM »

told ya

Then again, he has ambition and is a fantastic artist...I'm pretty sure he'll do something great eventually.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1984 on:** January 31, 2013, 09:38:03 PM »

Did you ever check out Habibi? He seems to have done his Arabic research in spades but I am no judge

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1985 on:** January 31, 2013, 09:45:09 PM »

I think it's absurd in this day and age to print some garbage in another language, really. It just suggests to me that the dude is trying to speak to Arabic culture but doesn't have a single Facebook friend or whatever to reach out to in order to check his script. I see the most bizarre shit written in pseudo-Japanese all the time - the still they released from 'The Wolverine' had some wacko mistake too. You'd think somewhere in the $100 million budget they'd find $10 to show it to an actual Japanese person

Yes, Habibi is very good. Problematic in terms of gender treatment/sexualization of children and such for sure but still an amazing piece of work.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1986 on:** January 31, 2013, 09:57:58 PM »

oh yeah, and that is addressed in the text. But he doesn't HAVE to draw endless pages of nude children in sexualized poses, or being the object of lust, or raped etc etc..it's an artistic choice regardless of the milieu he is working in

Eric P · « **Reply #1987 on:** February 01, 2013, 07:39:20 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 09:57:58 PM

oh yeah, and that is addressed in the text. But he doesn't HAVE to draw endless pages of nude children in sexualized poses, or being the object of lust, or raped etc etc..it's an artistic choice regardless of the milieu he is working in

uh

ManaByte · « **Reply #1988 on:** February 02, 2013, 10:54:19 AM »

Kenneth Rocafort's art in Superman is probably the best the book as seen in a long, long time.

Almost makes me want to go back and read his Red Hood stuff, but then...Jason Todd.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1989 on:** February 02, 2013, 09:07:08 PM »

Cool, glad you enjoyed it, and the Arabic didn't grate overly. I found the linguistic / mythology stuff fascinating. I read Craig Thompson's travel art diary as well, which shows some of the travelling he did as part of research (or inspiration for) Habibi. It's really good, although there is a fair amount of Live Journal-y self-pity and such in there as well, it being literally a diary...i think it's a lot less formal and easier to read than Blankets or Habibi.

http://www.amazon.com/Carnet-Voyage-Travel-Journal-Shelf/dp/1891830600/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1359857113&sr=8-5&keywords=craig+thompson

Eric P · « **Reply #1990 on:** February 04, 2013, 09:07:20 AM »

http://www.comixology.com/comics-collection/23?app=1&tid=E130204001&utm_source=comiXology+Digital+Comics+Newsletters&utm_campaign=17a151dbb5-Marvel+Monday+Sale+2%2F4&utm_medium=email

Comixology is having a sale on Squadron Supreme which is basically Marvel's Watchmen. It's good but overshadowed
Also they have Strikeforce Morituri something i've never actually read

any opinions?

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1991 on:** February 04, 2013, 09:45:10 AM »

strikeforce morituri is pretty decent from what i remember, nothing really cringeworthy/80s springs to mind

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #1992 on:** February 04, 2013, 07:18:09 PM »

Well I missed out on the 7 Soldiers. Guess I'll just have to pick it up in trades.

Anyway, I was just given this Anomaly graphic novel thing. It's pretty intense looking, but well I've never heard of it. I was given it and well I mean it looks nice and it's the CE and well signed by the author and everything, but is it any good?

ManaByte · « **Reply #1993 on:** February 11, 2013, 12:19:29 PM »

Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern after he made it so boring no one gives a fuck anymore.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #1994 on:** February 11, 2013, 04:13:42 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on February 11, 2013, 12:19:29 PM

Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern after he made it so boring no one gives a fuck anymore.

No one cared about Green Lantern before he got there, so I guess it worked out.

bork · « **Reply #1995 on:** February 11, 2013, 04:24:18 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on February 11, 2013, 12:19:29 PM

Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern after he made it so boring no one gives a fuck anymore.

Was he behind all the latest Green Lantern crossover events with the guardians being turned evil, or just the regular Green Lantern book? Cuz yeah, the Simon Baz stuff is ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

ManaByte · « **Reply #1996 on:** February 11, 2013, 04:32:03 PM »

Baz is Johns' creation. He based Baz on himself (no, really).

Yeti · « **Reply #1997 on:** February 11, 2013, 07:41:17 PM »

What are some recommended trades for Green Lantern? I know hardly anything about the character other than what little I know from the Justice League cartoon. Sinestro Corps war sounded kind of neat, but I think that was Johns?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1998 on:** February 11, 2013, 07:43:15 PM »

there are no recommended trades for Green Lantern

Yeti · « **Reply #1999 on:** February 11, 2013, 07:51:09 PM »

Thank you. What about the Flash? I know even less about him than Green Lantern.

Eric P · « **Reply #2000 on:** February 11, 2013, 08:19:31 PM »

dc presents showcase the flash
anything up to and including The Trial of the Flash

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2001 on:** February 11, 2013, 08:23:54 PM »

Flashpoint

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lol, j/k

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Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2002 on:** February 11, 2013, 08:39:29 PM »

Green Lantern should be a no-brainer. Space cop with magic wishing ring is a baller concept. Instead though, it seems to have disappeared up the event horizon of it's own internal mythology. I honestly can't think of a single Green Lantern comic i'd actually want someone else to read

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2003 on:** February 11, 2013, 08:42:31 PM »

I went on a binge of reading old Marvel comics from the 70's over the weekend, and hoooolleeeee shit are the letter cols and Soapboxes fascinating after reading Sean Howe's Marvel: The Untold Story. Who is our Editor-in-Chief? WE DON'T KNOW Who is writing the Avengers now? WE DON'T KNOW, HERE IS A JACK KIRBY REPRINT etc etc

As a kid i just assumed the adult gods who made these things knew what they were doing but ooooohhhhh nooooo. I can't even imagine what modern DC must be like.

ManaByte · « **Reply #2004 on:** February 11, 2013, 11:37:33 PM »

The DC New 52 vol 1 of The Flash. Manapul/Buccellato are doing awesome stuff with the book right now. The art is amazing.

ManaByte · « **Reply #2005 on:** February 12, 2013, 09:41:39 AM »

Batman #17...HOLY SHIT

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2006 on:** February 12, 2013, 09:44:14 AM »

Yeah, the Manapul stuff is decent, love the art

I like the vol. 2 stuff (Wally West) by Mike Baron (

), Mark Waid, Messner-Loebs, Grant Morrison etc...tons of good stuff in there

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #2007 on:** February 12, 2013, 01:40:46 PM »

What happened?

ManaByte · « **Reply #2008 on:** February 12, 2013, 01:43:43 PM »

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Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty fought over a waterfall and one fell.

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bork · « **Reply #2009 on:** February 12, 2013, 01:48:07 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 12, 2013, 01:40:46 PM

What happened?

Manabyte isn't too far off.

Actual spoilers:

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The issue opens right where Batman #16 ended. The Joker has Batman strapped to an electric chair at the head of a table. On each side of the table sits the members of the family, each with their faces rapped in bloody bandages. The Joker tells Batman that they’ve each been anointed with gasoline and that there’s flint under his chair. So if he tries to bail out, they’ll all die in a fire. He reveals the cover from the dinner, and inside are the faces of each member of the family. Of course this really sets Batman off, but being Batman he has a way out because he’s smarter than the Joker.

It turns out the whole faces being ripped off thing was another Joker prank, and Batman is reunited with the family right before The Joker douses all of them with his gas, which causes the members of the family to start fighting it out with each other as Batman chases the Joker down.

What follows is a Batman/Joker confrontation and dialog that ranks right up there with the two’s final battle in The Dark Knight Returns. I don’t know if it was an intentional Sherlock Holmes reference or not, but they face each other right above a huge waterfall. As Batman is really beginning to get to the Joker and get under his skin, The Joker takes a swan dive off the waterfall as his face flutters in the wind. Capullo’s art in these panels with the Joker falling and his face fluttering off is pretty awesome.

In the end, the family is still together…if a bit scarred. Alfred is saved and Bruce is now the caretaker as he recovers. The whole truth on whether or not The Joker knew Batman’s true identity is dealt with, in a way that is perfect for The Joker.

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If anything truly BIG is going to happen in the Batman books, it's going to be what's coming in Batman, Inc.

ManaByte · « **Reply #2010 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:10:31 PM »

I wrote that.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2011 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:02:34 AM »

I enjoyed it but an utter cock-tease in terms of status quo changes. Absolutely nothing of significance is different, unless no-one ever wanting to come to dinner at Bruce's again counts

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2012 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:49:39 AM »

mos def

i realize why it's done, including the cocktease marketing and PR lies, but as a story? It's terrible because ultimately nothing of note happens.

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How many people has Batman saved from falling over the years? He couldn't have sorted that shit out and delivered on his promises to the Joker? In his own home? C'mon son

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I really hate nitpicking superhero comics because it is the proverbial breaking a butterfly on a wheel but this one actually seemed like it might have some teeth. But no. Certainly it was very well done though, loved some of the Capullo panels. Genuinely creepy. And Snyder has a good handle on the various voices and so forth. But I think I ultimately preferred the Owls storyline because it actually went somewhere.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2013 on:** February 13, 2013, 05:14:01 AM »

It's a great story that you can only tell once. That's the fucking rub. What we get instead isn't even good fanservice though, because all the characters are completely ineffectual and toothless

So yeah, go read Hellboy or something where shit gets real on the regular

Eric P · « **Reply #2014 on:** February 14, 2013, 04:58:07 AM »

new deadwardians was pretty good but there were a few stylistic anachronisms which threw me out of the world

one was a very simple use of the word "sucks" in a protest sign which seemed really vulgar given the time frame and setting, the other was a propaganda poster which stylistically didn't fit the time period either.

aside from that, rather enjoyable little mystery with a kind of gonzo conclusion

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2015 on:** February 14, 2013, 05:15:21 AM »

Quote from: Eric P on February 14, 2013, 04:58:07 AM

new deadwardians was pretty good but there were a few stylistic anachronisms which threw me out of the world

one was a very simple use of the word "sucks" in a protest sign which seemed really vulgar given the time frame and setting, the other was a propaganda poster which stylistically didn't fit the time period either.

aside from that, rather enjoyable little mystery with a kind of gonzo conclusion

I read the first couple of issues, made a mental note to check it out when it finished up and the price dropped. Will do so now, thanks for the reminder

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2016 on:** February 16, 2013, 12:06:24 AM »

http://smodcast.com/channels/fatman-on-batman/

Grant Morrison!

This is the first Kevin Smith podcast i've ever listened to, and he's actually very good at it. Clearly hasn't read any of the Invisibles, but hey. Great stuff from Morrison.

Eric P · « **Reply #2017 on:** February 16, 2013, 12:57:45 AM »

I listened to the first two guests and got so sick of Kevin Smith's style of geek speak it turned me off. I so t need to have my ear pussy tickled. Just fucking talk instead of pandering to your fan base.

Eric P · « **Reply #2018 on:** February 16, 2013, 12:58:07 AM »

Don't need. Goddamn autocorrect.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2019 on:** February 16, 2013, 02:57:56 AM »

i can't speak to those eps but the Morrison one is great.

Eric P · « **Reply #2020 on:** February 16, 2013, 07:24:22 AM »

the ones with mark hamill and paul dini were great and certainly worth a listen because they talked about everything and it was super informative

then he had the person who did harley quinn on and he spent more time talking about her goddamn my little pony voice work. it sounded like someone was doing a slow release of air from a balloon while kevin smith broneyed up.

i'll take a listen to the grant morrison one

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2021 on:** February 16, 2013, 08:08:29 AM »

ooh, will def. check the Paul Dini one at least. Did you see Chris Sims breakdown to the Batman Animated Series bible? Really good stuff. Sims is not the most sophisticated writer in the world but he is funny and often surprises me with his insight into character and story.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/22/the-batman-the-animated-series-writers-guide-is-totally-awesom/

ManaByte · « **Reply #2022 on:** February 16, 2013, 09:30:44 AM »

The Scott Snyder one is great too. He also did a series with Dini where they do commentary for some Batman: TAS episodes, Mask of the Phantasm, and Return of the Joker.

ManaByte · « **Reply #2023 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:21:22 AM »

Batman, Inc. #8 cover revealed.

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I dunno. Damian is Morrison's creation and he can do it if he wants...but I like Damian.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2024 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:54:47 AM »

Well, he has been cloned already so they have that in their back pocket. plus Bruce never died in RIP...

ManaByte · « **Reply #2025 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:56:07 AM »

Yea but the clone is fully grown.

I think this is working into DC's plan to get Tim Drake back as Robin. As in the New 52 Red Robin was never Robin to Batman.

Yeti · « **Reply #2026 on:** February 16, 2013, 03:13:21 PM »

Isn't Red Robin in the New 52 Teen Titans? What's his backstory for that?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2027 on:** February 16, 2013, 08:18:56 PM »

'editors decided he would still exist despite there being no logical reason' is his backstory

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2028 on:** February 16, 2013, 08:22:29 PM »

DC is so horrible these days, so horrible

I wonder if anyone has inventoried how many of the original New 52 are still being published? There was another huge swathe of cancellations recently. I don't know why anybody would give a new book a chance these days. I think I'm down to 3 Batman books and that's it. I actually buy more Valiant books than DC now in fact (Bloodshot, Archer & Armstrong, Harbinger, XO Man of war). I want DC to keep publishing in some form but the books are just so bad. I've stopped even giving new books from them a chance

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2029 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:15:13 PM »

Marvel has plenty of good books out now, assuming you basically have any interest in Marvel

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2030 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:41:46 PM »

Best Marvel books currently, off the top of my head:

- Hawkeye
- Wolverine and the X-Men
- Fury: My War Gone By
- Thor
- Daredevil

But the overall quality bar is a lot higher, I think. There are plenty of non-essential but solidly good books like FF or Avengers Assemble or All New X-Men or Captain America. If you're into that kind of thing, there is quality fan service to be found. Whereas the average DC book right now is something garbage like Stormwatch or Team 7

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2031 on:** February 16, 2013, 10:58:05 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 08:18:56 PM

'editors decided he would still exist despite there being no logical reason' is his backstory

Just wait for the next Crisis to fix everything, for real this time.

ManaByte · « **Reply #2032 on:** February 17, 2013, 03:09:48 AM »

So the current rumor is that "Age of Ultron" is going to be Marvel's "Flashpoint". The solicitation for issues 7 and 8 came out and it involves time travel, and people are saying it'll result in a line-wide continuity reboot for Marvel. If that happens it'll be the second #1 relaunch for them in a year.

Yeti · « **Reply #2033 on:** February 17, 2013, 03:34:20 AM »

Wasn't the whole point of the Ultimate line so they could avoid doing reboots like that?

bork · « **Reply #2034 on:** February 17, 2013, 09:28:10 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on February 17, 2013, 03:09:48 AM

So the current rumor is that "Age of Ultron" is going to be Marvel's "Flashpoint". The solicitation for issues 7 and 8 came out and it involves time travel, and people are saying it'll result in a line-wide continuity reboot for Marvel. If that happens it'll be the second #1 relaunch for them in a year.

That doesn't make any sense- Marvel NOW! is their "reboot." Plus aren't there additional "AoA" branded books coming out alongside the regular issues? It seems to be self-contained.

The "world breaking" stuff listed in the solicit for issue #7 will be cleared up by the end of the mini series in issue #10.

bork · « **Reply #2035 on:** February 17, 2013, 09:34:41 AM »

Quote from: Yeti on February 17, 2013, 03:34:20 AM

Wasn't the whole point of the Ultimate line so they could avoid doing reboots like that?

Marvel isn't going to do a DC New 52-style reboot. They've been doing soft reboots on titles for the last few years. "This will have an effect on the Marvel Universe for years to come" just means Ultron will be back as a villain and/or some character(s) get changed up a bit. Typical shit.

But it would be funny to see the meltdowns if they did do this- especially if they were to just reset everything that's happened to Spider-Man like it never happened.

Eric P · « **Reply #2036 on:** February 17, 2013, 10:11:44 AM »

comics. amirite?

Yeti · « **Reply #2037 on:** February 17, 2013, 01:14:28 PM »

Comics are so confusing, I don't know how anyone can possibly keep up with them. There are so many crossovers, events, and continuity, that if you don't start immediately from the start of a reboot and get every issue, it can get very easy to get hopelessly lost. I would love to be able to read comics through single issues, because I feel that comics are to books what tv is to movies. But my word, the invest of time and especially money is astronomical. I just have to stick with the occasional odd tpb, and hope that the story is as self-contained as possible.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2038 on:** February 17, 2013, 05:45:10 PM »

the Spider-Man thing is clearly heading for a 'reset' - back to Spider-man pre-Dan Slott basically. At some point it will all relaunch and all that annoying continuity (Spider-man being an Avenger, being a cool rich scientist at Horizon, MJ + girls generally, having cool equipment, being loved by Jameson et al) that has built up will be gone and he'll be back to being a feared and hated loner with no strings. This is all seen as 'fixing' a character. What we call 'story' in other mediums is called 'breaking' it. COMICS!

If you care at all about this stuff, Yeti, you should read some non-Marvel / DC comics. Stuff like Walking Dead, Hellboy, BPRD, Invincible, the Valiant stuff I mentioned earlier - you may not have the instant recognition factor you get with Spider-man or Batman but at least when stuff happens, it sticks for the most part. Not saying it's ever gonna be cheap though

chronovore · « **Reply #2039 on:** February 17, 2013, 06:00:22 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on February 17, 2013, 01:14:28 PM

Comics are so confusing, I don't know how anyone can possibly keep up with them. There are so many crossovers, events, and continuity, that if you don't start immediately from the start of a reboot and get every issue, it can get very easy to get hopelessly lost. I would love to be able to read comics through single issues, because I feel that comics are to books what tv is to movies. But my word, the invest of time and especially money is astronomical. I just have to stick with the occasional odd tpb, and hope that the story is as self-contained as possible.

This was actually the point of the Ultimate line of Marvel comics: a place for new readers to start, safe and sound, able to follow everything from the outset. I think it, too, became overly interwoven and needlessly complex pretty quickly, but that's just my impression.

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Author Topic: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads (Read 1054405 times)