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Mupepe · « **Reply #660 on:** February 21, 2010, 11:56:46 PM »

I guess ill start with 35s. No wooden plates. Should I do deads and squats on the same day? What muscles do deads specifically work?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #661 on:** February 21, 2010, 11:57:58 PM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on February 21, 2010, 10:59:38 PM

I think you can safely throw a few plates on the bar for the first deadlifts, seems like it would be almost too light to get started with just the bar. Whatever works, though.

Cormac, how do those vibram things work anyway? The toes are individual, I get that, but it seems like a real tight mold would limit it to a very narrow foot and toe shape. Is the material very flexible? I'd imagine those would be great if I picked up free running again.

Ideally, your foot should gradually change shape over time. I've already noticed more dexterity in my little toes. I'd imagine most people won't have the exact right shape for the Vibrams, since they're (at this point) one-size-fits-all. But it matters less than you'd expect. You DO have to be very careful with the sizing - measure your feet from heel to toe and order THAT size, not your regular shoe size.

Some nice pics to illustrate the splaying that occurs naturally when you are barefoot, plus a write-up:
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/05/07/vibram-five-fingers-shoes/

It basically feels like being barefoot, but with a measure of protection. I call them Hobbit Feet, without the hair.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #662 on:** February 21, 2010, 11:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 21, 2010, 11:56:46 PM

I guess ill start with 35s. No wooden plates. Should I do deads and squats on the same day? What muscles do deads specifically work?

What DON'T they work is a better question. Legs, back, core, forearms. Not to mention your jaw muscles - shattering a molar or two is a risk

Like I said, do them once right and you'll never ask that question again.

yes, you can do them same day as squats, but make sure you get plenty of rest in between if you do. It's a serious workout. Mark Rippetoe's program only has you do one set of 5 deadlifts once per week, compared to 3 days of 3x5 squats. Yes, they're THAT hard to recover from.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #663 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:04:36 AM »

Oh yeah, my forearms are definitely being affected by the deadlifts, not to mention the one-two punch of deads and increased pull-ups. Going to go all Popeye if it keeps up, but at least no accursed lid will stand between me and marmalade any time soon.

Mupepe · « **Reply #664 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:09:52 AM »

Well I will let you guys know how I feel after my workout tomorrow. Im expecting it to be rough. I'm excited though.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #665 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:12:50 AM »

Cormac's Guide to the Deadlift

1) shins to bar
2) hook grip (wrap thumb around barbell, then close fingers over thumb)
3) raise chest
4) pull like your mom is stuck under a burning truck

Mupepe · « **Reply #666 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:38:39 AM »

Hahaha. I have kinda been weary of it because I don't want to fuck myself with bad form. I'm going to see if my wife will maybe take a video to get some opinions

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #667 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:51:41 AM »

I figure you've done enough heavy-ish squatting by now to appreciate the importance of good form. By all means, send us video! Don't forget to wear spandex

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #668 on:** February 22, 2010, 06:57:54 AM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on February 21, 2010, 11:11:39 PM

It just occurred to me that I've only been doing deads for like 6 months. I guess people weren't so full of shit when they said that the weight, and the strength to pull it off, would increase rapidly.

By "people", I assume you mean moi

Mupepe · « **Reply #669 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:10:48 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2010, 12:51:41 AM

I figure you've done enough heavy-ish squatting by now to appreciate the importance of good form. By all means, send us video! Don't forget to wear spandex

I think my wife would be jealous

Mupepe · « **Reply #670 on:** February 22, 2010, 04:31:24 PM »

One thing I've noticed since I started lifting...

I'm hornier than fucking ever. I get a hard on so goddamn easily. My wife asked me today what has been going on because she said it's like it never goes away now. I can only attribute it to lifting really. I mean, I've always been a pretty horny guy, but this is fucking ridiculous.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #671 on:** February 22, 2010, 04:40:37 PM »

I assume it's because lifting with hot, sweaty dudes makes you really horny.

Mupepe · « **Reply #672 on:** February 22, 2010, 04:57:41 PM »

possibly! but then why would I be turned on by reon kadena and petite hispanics?? It's not like I'm whacking it to Oprah or something!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #673 on:** February 22, 2010, 05:26:30 PM »

I saw Reon Kadena on a train a few years ago. Totally, utterly gorgeous. Anyway. Yes, heavy weights stimulate hormone production considerably. That's the only reason we do it! Your wife is in for a bumpy ride, I guess.

Mupepe · « **Reply #674 on:** February 22, 2010, 05:28:36 PM »

... you saw her in person? I'd turn into one of those japanese pervs if I saw her in person. She's pretty much the only asian that really does it for me, but fuck she's amazing.

My wife hasn't been complaining though

The only time it's actually a bother to me is when I'm at work. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #675 on:** February 22, 2010, 05:34:31 PM »

dude, you'd be hit with Yellow Fever before you got out of Narita Airport. There are beautiful women everywhere you look.

Mupepe · « **Reply #676 on:** February 22, 2010, 05:39:16 PM »

I always see railthin asian girls which is what turns me off. I'm into thick hispanics. Can I be fulfilled with thick asians a la reon kadena???

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #677 on:** February 22, 2010, 05:48:17 PM »

I starting to push it.

I workout almost everyday, and i'm looking at 6 days straight this week, i mix gym (mostly arms and cardio) with sessions of BodyPump and stuff like that, and i do abs at home when i don't do them at the gym. Plus i play football every week.

It's pretty amazing, from one week to the next, i'm already doing a km of steps, a 1.5 km of running, and i wasn't able to do all the machines with my arms before, because i would lose the strenght, but i'm already doing it.

And i'm on a 5 meal diet, that goes full throttle on protein after lunch. This is easier than i thought so far, the gym really helps, those do at home stuff, doesn't appeal to me much.

But man, it is HARD to start defining those lower abs, yikes, it's gonna take a couple of months.

demi · « **Reply #678 on:** February 22, 2010, 05:48:24 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on February 22, 2010, 04:40:37 PM

I assume it's because lifting with hot, sweaty dudes makes you really horny.

^

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #679 on:** February 22, 2010, 06:49:59 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 22, 2010, 05:39:16 PM

I always see railthin asian girls which is what turns me off. I'm into thick hispanics. Can I be fulfilled with thick asians a la reon kadena???

She's skinny, trust me. Although she has one of those surprising gravity-defying racks. There are a lot thicker if that's what you want.

Mupepe · « **Reply #680 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:13:40 PM »

Goddamn! You fuckers have me walking like Frankenstein!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #681 on:** February 22, 2010, 10:24:28 PM »

revenge for that avatar!

I got a new 5RM on the squat last night at 265lbs, twice. Still need to do it 3x before I move up though. archie, this is your chance to overtake!

Mupepe · « **Reply #682 on:** February 22, 2010, 11:29:47 PM »

Revenge??? You don't like it?!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #683 on:** February 23, 2010, 12:16:10 AM »

i like it a little too much!

archie4208 · « **Reply #684 on:** February 23, 2010, 07:53:54 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2010, 10:24:28 PM

revenge for that avatar!

I got a new 5RM on the squat last night at 265lbs, twice. Still need to do it 3x before I move up though. archie, this is your chance to overtake!

I'm gonna redo 260 today. You better watch out though, I might pass you by the end of the week!

Mupepe · « **Reply #685 on:** February 23, 2010, 09:43:52 AM »

Goddamn. I'm sore everywhere today. Especially my upper back and thighs. I slept so fucking good last night though.

archie4208 · « **Reply #686 on:** February 23, 2010, 11:14:40 AM »

DOMS FTW.

Mupepe · « **Reply #687 on:** February 23, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »

the 2nd day is always the worst too! And running usually agitates my legs so we'll see how it goes tonight after my cardio.

archie4208 · « **Reply #688 on:** February 23, 2010, 12:58:12 PM »

260 attempt two: FAIL.

I only made it to 3 sets. I'm going to give it one more go and if I can't get it, I will probably consider a deload.

I did deadlift 155 today, though so I guess that is a nice consolation prize!

Mupepe · « **Reply #689 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:38:11 PM »

You can do it Archie!

I'm going to stay at 220 for squats for a while and work on my form a little. I feel like sometimes I'm not getting completely parallel. I'd like to fix that before I move up.

My deadlift last night was 135. Should I just add 5 everytime I do it? I'll be doing it once a week.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #690 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:39:13 PM »

Parallel Squats? Fucken Ass to the Grass that shit!

Mupepe · « **Reply #691 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:41:46 PM »

hahaha

I always find it a nice surprise when I go below parallel and realize oh shit this just got a lot harder, i hope i can do it! then i look at myself in the mirror and say "DO IT YOU PUSSY!"

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #692 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:44:29 PM »

Yeah, once you break Parallel I believe you become reliant on a particular set of muscles. My sisters boyfriend (when they were still together) would go to the gym with us. One day we got on his case about going down only to a 45 degree angle on his squat (halfway to parallel). He then got pissed, tried to ass 2 grass with the same weight he couldn't even do parallel with and he was fortunate we were squatting in a cage like setup.

Mupepe · « **Reply #693 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:51:01 PM »

yeah, that's what i'm scared of. I know i can do parallel because I usually do. I just sometimes notice that I don't. I want to correct that before I move on. Best to fix bad form before it gets worse, no?

also, i saw a dude yesterday squatting 225 and he wasn't even doing 45 degrees. I don't understand the point in that. You're putting in the effort and the time to get somewhere, why half ass it? it's not going to do you any good and it's only a waste of time. Like the guys who never do the full range of motion on bench. why?? is it a pride issue? Maybe they just don't want to admit that they need to take it down a bit? or has no one told them they're doing it wrong?

Himu · « **Reply #694 on:** February 23, 2010, 04:30:40 PM »

I'm in the best shape I have been in years.

Now I think it's time I look the part.

I've been going to the gym on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. At first I do cardio for 20 minutes and then I lift weights. I've noticed that all the various people hit majority of the machines in the room. They go from machine to machine after about 3 or so sets. Is that good or should I dedicate certain machines to certain days? Like lower on one day, and upper on another?

I've been working on upper and lower when I go to they gym, and then on "off" days I do squats, jumping jacks, sits up and push ups then the next day I go to the gym.

Is that a decent plan? Sorry if I sound silly here, I just haven't used weights since I was a teenager and don't want to overwork myself.

Himu · « **Reply #695 on:** February 23, 2010, 04:33:37 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 22, 2010, 04:31:24 PM

One thing I've noticed since I started lifting...

I'm hornier than fucking ever. I get a hard on so goddamn easily. My wife asked me today what has been going on because she said it's like it never goes away now. I can only attribute it to lifting really. I mean, I've always been a pretty horny guy, but this is fucking ridiculous.

The lady friend I went with yesterday saw my boner when I was lifting weights. Pretty embarrassing. I know where you're coming from, easily.

Himu · « **Reply #696 on:** February 23, 2010, 04:38:56 PM »

Mupepe · « **Reply #697 on:** February 23, 2010, 04:54:17 PM »

I'd stay away from machines. free weights all the way. and if you're going to run, everywhere I've read says that running after weights is a lot better because your growth hormones from lifting cause fat to separate from your fat cells and they're more easily burned during cardio. also, unless you're doing HIIT, 20 minutes doesn't sound like enough cardio to me. That's all i've got

Himu · « **Reply #698 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:19:46 PM »

I used to do 40-60 minutes of cardio, but I wanted to concentrate on weights.

Himu · « **Reply #699 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:23:48 PM »

20 minutes of cardio's not enough, probably, but how long should I lift weights? Till I can't anymore, or until I've done every single machine I want to use in the room?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #700 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:27:26 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 23, 2010, 02:51:01 PM

yeah, that's what i'm scared of. I know i can do parallel because I usually do. I just sometimes notice that I don't. I want to correct that before I move on. Best to fix bad form before it gets worse, no?

also, i saw a dude yesterday squatting 225 and he wasn't even doing 45 degrees. I don't understand the point in that. You're putting in the effort and the time to get somewhere, why half ass it? it's not going to do you any good and it's only a waste of time. Like the guys who never do the full range of motion on bench. why?? is it a pride issue? Maybe they just don't want to admit that they need to take it down a bit? or has no one told them they're doing it wrong?

In general, yes, bad form needs to be fixed. But Draft made an excellent point on the dangers of trying to fix bad form at low weights a few pages back. You can make it perfect at a weight that doesn't stress you, and still fall apart once the weight gets heavy. To paraphrase Rippetoe, sometimes the problem with your form is just that there's too much weight on the bar.

Deadlift - 5lbs per session should be fine for quite some time. At the outset, you can probably do way more than one session a week too, if you want. As the weight ramps up, it'll become harder and harder to recover.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #701 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:28:36 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on February 23, 2010, 05:23:48 PM

20 minutes of cardio's not enough, probably, but how long should I lift weights? Till I can't anymore, or until I've done every single machine I want to use in the room?

This is like asking if you should smoke pot before driving a schoolbus, or just stick to vodka.

Himu · « **Reply #702 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:29:26 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2010, 05:28:36 PM

Quote from: Himuro on February 23, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
20 minutes of cardio's not enough, probably, but how long should I lift weights? Till I can't anymore, or until I've done every single machine I want to use in the room?

This is like asking if you should smoke pot before driving a schoolbus, or just stick to vodka.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #703 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:32:01 PM »

Just a note, overlong cardio (usually steady rate, like 30+ minute jogging at a set pace) can be counterproductive to muscle development. We're obviously all different but I've found that jogging 10-20 minutes a day or every other day plus a regular gym/calisthenics/cross training regimen to be the perfect plan.

As far as amount of time lifting weights? Depends on how hard you push yourself. When I was weightlifting, I would usually top out at to a little past 1 hour, which allowed two different muscle groups to be hit with three different types of workouts. I trained a bit different though, I followed the old school Arnold Schwarzenegger style of workout regimen.

Himu · « **Reply #704 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:33:35 PM »

blue, post pics of your body.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #705 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:35:15 PM »

Yes, the style of workout that works fine for an elite athlete on roids with nothing else to do all day but get blown, lift and wonder if the peak of his bicep is at just the right elevation yet.

Agreed on the cardio. Long runs are the fastest muscle-melting mechanism yet discovered other than WoW. Sprint! Get it over with. Would you rather look like a marathon runner or a sprinter like Ben Johnson? Train like the one you want to look like! If you need to travel long distances, take the bus.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #706 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:36:22 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on February 23, 2010, 05:33:35 PM

blue, post pics of your body.

Oh, Himu

I've been out of the gym for around a year now though and haven't run for a bit, I'm a bit doughy $:-\$ . I just need to hit the pavement for a month and I won't be pudgy.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2010, 05:35:15 PM

Yes, the style of workout that works fine for an elite athlete on roids with nothing else to do all day but get blown, lift and wonder if the peak of his bicep is at just the right elevation yet.

I definitely agree. I got results from it but its not surprising since before going to the gym I wasn't physically active at all, so I would have gained results from anything really. This time around I plan on doing some workouts that'll hit more muscle groups instead of spending time splitting shit up.

Himu · « **Reply #707 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:41:44 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2010, 05:35:15 PM

Yes, the style of workout that works fine for an elite athlete on roids with nothing else to do all day but get blown, lift and wonder if the peak of his bicep is at just the right elevation yet.

Agreed on the cardio. Long runs are the fastest muscle-melting mechanism yet discovered other than WoW. Sprint! Get it over with. Would you rather look like a marathon runner or a sprinter like Ben Johnson? Train like the one you want to look like! If you need to travel long distances, take the bus.

I want to look like Ben Johnson.

demi · « **Reply #708 on:** February 23, 2010, 05:52:54 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on February 23, 2010, 05:36:22 PM

Quote from: Himuro on February 23, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
blue, post pics of your body.

Oh, Himu

I've been out of the gym for around a year now though and haven't run for a bit, I'm a bit doughy $:-\$ . I just need to hit the pavement for a month and I won't be pudgy.

Pics please.

Mupepe · « **Reply #709 on:** February 23, 2010, 06:06:35 PM »

Himumu: I do weightlifting one day and then cardio the next and switch like that. I do about 30 minutes of cardio, but I don't do HIIT. It's not too long to where it impedes my growth, but not too short that it's worthless. HIIT is most definitely better for burning fat and not destroying your muscle, but I just don't like it. If you like it, I would do HIIT for a few minutes. But if you insist on doing them on the same day, everything I've read says to do it after weightlifting.

and in my experience, isolated training (arm day, leg day, back day, etc) is a much more temporary gain than doing full body workouts. When I would take a break after isolation, the pump would pretty much disappear and i'd give up a good percentage of recent gains I'd made. I took a week off full body workouts and it only took me a day to get back to where I was before and then surpass it. just my experience.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #710 on:** February 23, 2010, 07:26:35 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 23, 2010, 06:06:35 PM

Himumu: I do weightlifting one day and then cardio the next and switch like that. I do about 30 minutes of cardio, but I don't do HIIT. It's not too long to where it impedes my growth, but not too short that it's worthless. HIIT is most definitely better for burning fat and not destroying your muscle, but I just don't like it. If you like it, I would do HIIT for a few minutes. But if you insist on doing them on the same day, everything I've read says to do it after weightlifting.

and in my experience, isolated training (arm day, leg day, back day, etc) is a much more temporary gain than doing full body workouts. When I would take a break after isolation, the pump would pretty much disappear and i'd give up a good percentage of recent gains I'd made. I took a week off full body workouts and it only took me a day to get back to where I was before and then surpass it. just my experience.

Don't kid yourself, Mups. Unless you've done lifting with and without cardio, you really can't back that up. Even if you had experienced the same gains with cardio, I'd still be highly skeptical. The two are just mutually opposed. The extent you do one is the extent to which you lose the other. You've found a balance that you like, but don't think for a second that you've stumbled upon some optimal formula which allows you to get around this rule 'cause you haven't.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #711 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:47:07 PM »

I don't care much for HIIT at all. If I really think I need it, I'd sooner just tighten up my diet and skip the cardio entirely.

I prefer 60 minutes of low intensity cardio on the treadmill and that is because I like to make numerical patterns on the display and listen to 80s pop music while doing so

Mupepe · « **Reply #712 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:49:22 PM »

I didn't mean it like it was some secret I found. I should have specified that it doesnt impede my growth too much. I can still make good gains with it. I found a balance good enough for me while understanding i am forfeiting gains. Just implying himu could do the same if he was determined to do both.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #713 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »

The newbie gains lasted a long time for me. Like over a year for some lifts.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #714 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:53:36 PM »

You's guys need to try running stairs. It'll kick your ass quick, so you're in and out. Shit'll you a booty too (you're roommate will thank you, Himu).

Himu · « **Reply #715 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:57:57 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on February 23, 2010, 08:53:36 PM

Shit'll you a booty too (you're roommate will thank you, Himu).

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #716 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:58:06 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 23, 2010, 08:49:22 PM

I didn't mean it like it was some secret I found. I should have specified that it doesnt impede my growth too much. I can still make good gains with it. I found a balance good enough for me while understanding i am forfeiting gains. Just implying himu could do the same if he was determined to do both.

No sweat - I know what you mean. Just trying to keep the (non-deliberate) misinformation ITT to a minimum. There is so much wrong-headed bullshit about diet and fitness out there. Somedays i'd rather be a Wii fan

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #717 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:59:56 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on February 23, 2010, 08:53:36 PM

You's guys need to try running stairs. It'll kick your ass quick, so you're in and out. Shit'll you a booty too (you're roommate will thank you, Himu).

Agreed. Give this one a shot!

[youtube=560,345]9FqJ8FpdcJI[/youtube]

Hill sprints are also awesome.

Mupepe · « **Reply #718 on:** February 24, 2010, 10:23:04 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2010, 08:58:06 PM

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 23, 2010, 08:49:22 PM
I didn't mean it like it was some secret I found. I should have specified that it doesnt impede my growth too much. I can still make good gains with it. I found a balance good enough for me while understanding i am forfeiting gains. Just implying himu could do the same if he was determined to do both.

No sweat - I know what you mean. Just trying to keep the (non-deliberate) misinformation ITT to a minimum. There is so much wrong-headed bullshit about diet and fitness out there. Somedays i'd rather be a Wii fan

You'd get your physique a lot quicker if you used Wii Fit!

And fuck running stairs. Oh jesus, fuck them up the ass. No no no no no no no. My legs hurt just thinking about it. not for me! no, sir!

Groogrux · « **Reply #719 on:** February 24, 2010, 01:20:50 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 24, 2010, 10:23:04 AM

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2010, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 23, 2010, 08:49:22 PM
I didn't mean it like it was some secret I found. I should have specified that it doesn't impede my growth too much. I can still make good gains with it. I found a balance good enough for me while understanding i am forfeiting gains. Just implying himu could do the same if he was determined to do both.

No sweat - I know what you mean. Just trying to keep the (non-deliberate) misinformation ITT to a minimum. There is so much wrong-headed bullshit about diet and fitness out there. Somedays i'd rather be a Wii fan
You'd get your physique a lot quicker if you used Wii Fit!

And fuck running stairs. Oh jesus, fuck them up the ass. No no no no no no no. My legs hurt just thinking about it. not for me! no, sir!

I don't know about Wii Fit, but I have been using EA Active for the Wii. Poke fun all you want, but it's tough stuff. I burn a lot of calories doing that stuff and it's entertaining!

Does anybody in the Fitnessbore do any biking, such as mountain or trails? One of my goals is to lose 50 lbs by the summer and start riding again. I'm looking for cheap/decent bike recommendations...

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