UPDATE: Dead Rising 2 to in fact not suck, Bebpo sent to stand in a corner

[Raban]

Chuck Greene = Henry Rollins

Cannot unsee.

[Don Flamenco]

[Raban]

+10 hype for this game

They should have gotten him to do the voice

[AdmiralViscen]

Lack of co-op is one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time.

[Raban]

Lack of co-op is one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time.

Not every game has to have multiplayer, dog.

[AdmiralViscen]

Free roaming wacky beat-em-up mobfests should.

[Raban]

Free roaming wacky beat-em-up mobfests should.

Then wait for Crackdown 2

[chronovore]

Lack of co-op is one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time.

I guess I can see that, but at the same time, it's a one-man army against a sea of zombies.

Also, Mercenaries 2 proved that co-op can potentially break the hell out of the game. Co-op missions in that game were the buggiest, as they occasionally spawned twice as many enemies ON THE SAME COORDINATES to deal with the doubled threat. Cars overlapping and clipping through each other, looking like a teleportation accident from THE FLY. Lots of things can go wrong, apparently.

[Purple Filth]

Sorry for the bump to his thread but it looks like some new Info on Dead Rising 2 came out

Stolen from GAF

Some Dead Rising 2 Info from the article:

1) Changed Save system with multiple save slots

2) Full 2 player co-op throughout the game

3) New interactive combo/environment kills system that replaces the old camera picture taking system to gain EXP.

4) Set in a casino that is itself a mall

5) Combining weapons to make new items like a football and grenade, boat paddle and chainsaw, etc.

[iconoclast]

Changed saved system is lame, but that comes as no surprise. The more worrying thing here is the inclusion of co-op. If they change the game's structure at all to accommodate for co-op, these developers can fuck off.

[brawndolicious]

why would you be opposed to multiple save slots?  it gives you more of an incentive to experiment.

[demi]

There's plenty of incentive to experiment in the first one. Stop being a mopheaded casual.

[brawndolicious]

No, not initially as you were learning the game's basic mechanics.  It's like unlimited rewinds in Forza 3, you can avoid using it and just play it in the hardcore way if you want to but this gets rid of some of the learning frustration of Dead Rising's formula.

As long as they keep the Restart+ option, nothing changes.

[demi]

Except make it more casual. Quit ruining my games

[Ichirou]

I'm a pretty casual gamer myself but I'm pissed that they changed how the saves work.  I liked the way it was set up in the first game.  Kept a certain level of tension up and encouraged replaying the game, IMO.

[Positive Touch]

you can still play it that way if you want, or you can use the new sensible system if you've got a life outside of video games.  seems great to me

[cool breeze]

Changed saved system is lame, but that comes as no surprise. The more worrying thing here is the inclusion of co-op. If they change the game's structure at all to accommodate for co-op, these developers can fuck off.

off the top of my head, co-op could only really have a negative impact if both players were able to do two separate events at the same time.  Unless we're talking about the unlocked survivor mode where I guess you two will be fighting over juice and things like that.

and yeah, changing the save system is pretty lame but I don't think it is game breaking or anything.  You knew it was coming after a bunch of people were complaining about the first time.  I hope there is still a way to play it like the first game.

[Stoney Mason]

I'm one of those rare breed on message boards who never was as fond of the original as most people are on messageboards.

I'm totally down with a better save system but honestly unless the game handles a lot better than the original, I'll probably pass.

[Positive Touch]

I'm one of those rare breed on message boards who never was as fond of the original as most people are on messageboards.

I'm totally down with a better save system but honestly unless the game handles a lot better than the original, I'll probably pass.

same here.  i enjoyed the game, but never really understood how a game that relied so heavily on shitty escort missions could get so popular.

[OptimoPeach]

I just played it for the first time last month, and between the cumbersome controls and fucking incessant load screens I dunno how people can think it's anything better than just okay. Maybe that stuff would have been more tolerable if I'd played it 3 years ago.

Much better sandboxy stuff to play these days. Will still buy the sequel, though

[Stoney Mason]

I just played it for the first time last month, and between the cumbersome controls and fucking incessant load screens I dunno how people can think it's anything better than just okay. Maybe that stuff would have been more tolerable if I'd played it 3 years ago

It wasn't even tolerable back then honestly. Control wise I mean.

It seems to get a big pass because it was a decent to good game very early in the gen but the game had lots of problems even back then. I remember trying to show it to my nephew like a year ago and he hated it. And playing along aside him it was hard to remember myself why the game garnered so much attention.

[Himu]

Except make it more casual. Quit ruining my games

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[Himu]

I'm one of those rare breed on message boards who never was as fond of the original as most people are on messageboards.

I'm totally down with a better save system but honestly unless the game handles a lot better than the original, I'll probably pass.

same here.  i enjoyed the game, but never really understood how a game that relied so heavily on shitty escort missions could get so popular.

DR doesn't rely on the missions. Those are side missions.

I just played it for the first time last month, and between the cumbersome controls and fucking incessant load screens I dunno how people can think it's anything better than just okay. Maybe that stuff would have been more tolerable if I'd played it 3 years ago.

Much better sandboxy stuff to play these days. Will still buy the sequel, though

Controls are fine. What are your issues with the controls?

[Positive Touch]

what else are you supposed to do for the first three days besides rescue idiots?

[Himu]

what else are you supposed to do for the first three days besides rescue idiots?

Fight bosses.

Kill Zombies.

Take a car into the garage and run over thousands of zombies.

Go into every fucking store and LOOT THE PLACE.

Explore every nook and cranny, collecting various mags.

The first time you play DR you're barely going to manage to save ANYBODY anyways. On subsequent playthroughs, the escorts are mostly easy as fuck and a non-issue so long as you give them sub machine guns because they have unlimited ammo.

[OptimoPeach]

Controls are fine. What are your issues with the controls?

Movement is clunky, aiming is sluggish. I was compelled to just avoid zombies instead of killing them

[Himu]

Movement is fine. Aiming is alright. Guns aren't the preferred weapon anyways. Sounds to me you went in expecting a shooter.

[Stoney Mason]

Don't bother arguing with Himuro on this subject. He'll tell you the game is perfect and can do no wrong.

The controls felt bad 3 years ago. They feel even worse now.

From the moment you start shooting at the spanish guy on top of the building at the food court you realize you have a typically janky japanese 3rd person action game in effect.

[Himu]

No, DR isn't perfect. It has a myriad of issues such as the spawning convicts.

But I never thought controls or aiming was one of them.

Then again, I'm immune to wonky controls because of Jappa games. They'll feel weird at first, but you adjust and learn the game's control subtleties.

People complained about GTA4 controls and I loved those.

I dunno, I just think people are babies when it comes to controls. Unless they're god awful, usually in this day and age, they should be decent enough to play the game and aren't really worth complaining about.

[Stoney Mason]

I'm also one of the rare message board dweebs who likes GTA 4 in general. But the controls (especially the combat controls) are not very good in that game either. They were an improvement for the series but they still aren't up to snuff. Which becomes painfully more obvious when you try the MP section of that game.

If a game is primarily an action game, there is nothing wrong with asking for the controls to be as seamless as possible. It's why complaining about the controls in RE 5 especially as compared to Dead Space is a valid complaint even though I also liked RE 5.

I certainly understand why people like Dead Rising. It's somewhat non-linear and its sort of inventive about its structure and it has a lot of items and gadgets to play with. But actually rolling around and doing the actions in that game were not a highpoint for me. The idea of it was cool. But actually handling it wasn't so fun. 

[Himu]

I thought GTA4's controls were fine, I thought RE5's controls were perfect and I love God hand.

I guess I just don't give a shit about controls.

[Stoney Mason]

I thought GTA4's controls were fine, I thought RE5's controls were perfect and I love God hand.

I guess I just don't give a shit about controls.

I think its possible to like a game and still not find the controls ideal or even great. RE 5 was a very fun game to me. And there may have been lots of reasons for them to justify to themselves why they made the controls like that. But when you compare it to other games, it felt lacking. You can get use to it. And even excel at the game with those controls. But its still not ideal.

It's like very old Resident Evil games. I can logically state the position that the controls are balls but I still enjoyed the games. Sometimes though the controls just become too much to bear. Especially if there are other games in the genre that are clearly doing it in a better manner.

[OptimoPeach]

Sounds to me you went in expecting a shooter.

I didn't even know there were guns in the game until I played it, so no. Everything felt like I was walking around in one of the mechs from Lost Planet. Like I said, I might have found the controls tolerable a few years back when there wasn't much criteria for comparison, but playing stuff like Saints Row 2 and Red Faction kinda spoiled me

[Himu]

Yeah, I played DR when I first got my 360. Hadn't played any other games with a similar control scheme since RE4. So I thought they were fine.

[Himu]

I thought GTA4's controls were fine, I thought RE5's controls were perfect and I love God hand.

I guess I just don't give a shit about controls.

I think its possible to like a game and still not find the controls ideal or even great. RE 5 was a very fun game to me. And there may have been lots of reasons for them to justify to themselves why they made the controls like that. But when you compare it to other games, it felt lacking. You can get use to it. And even excel at the game with those controls. But its still not ideal.

It's like very old Resident Evil games. I can logically state the position that the controls are balls but I still enjoyed the games. Sometimes though the controls just become too much to bear. Especially if there are other games in the genre that are clearly doing it in a better manner.

I can see your point, but whereas I think old style RE controls are balls, even though I've mastered them, I'm fine with most modern day controls. Ah well.

[demi]

I'm also one of the rare message board dweebs who likes GTA 4 in general.

stopped reading here. enjoy your shit controls

[Stoney Mason]

I'm also one of the rare message board dweebs who likes GTA 4 in general.

stopped reading here. enjoy your shit controls

Since you stopped reading you also missed where I said GTA 4 has shit controls. That's why reading is fundamental.

[OptimoPeach]

Woops I didn't see that people had pretty much the exact same discussion on the first page

[Third]

Looks ok I guess.

[demi]

I'm also one of the rare message board dweebs who likes GTA 4 in general.

stopped reading here. enjoy your shit controls

Since you stopped reading you also missed where I said GTA 4 has shit controls. That's why reading is fundamental.

Then you're warped. GTA4 is shit. Filling stereotypes I guess.

[Stoney Mason]

Your hate for GTA 4 while a valid opinion although not one I share still doesn't fix the shitty controls of the original Dead Rising.

Maybe Blue Castle can...

[iconoclast]

Dead Rising controls were perfectly fine, aside from the aiming. I don't see how there's anything wrong with them at all, since you can dodge through a sea of zombies without getting touched.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Damn. They went ahead and pussified it. At least tell me there aren't checkpoints.

[Bebpo]

I haven't played Dead Rising in years, but I'd imagine it's kind of dated now.


It's strange how when this gen started and games were all "next-gen" compared to the cream of the crop PS2 titles, it seemed as though there was no way they'd become dated like those launch-year PS2 titles.  Yet, these days I don't think games like Blue Dragon, Kameo, Resistance, Crackdown or maybe even Dead Rising as shown by Optimo's experience hold up like they used to.

Kind of makes me glad I played them when they came out.  Since I don't really replay games, I'll just remember them fondly as great games at the time.

[demi]

It wouldnt have anything to do with Optimo being jaded at all?

[iconoclast]

I just played 30+ hours of Dead Rising a few weeks ago to 1000 it, and it's still an amazing game. In fact I appreciate it even more in 2010, since there's still nothing else like it.

Capcom, the best developer of every generation

[Ichirou]

Gun controls in DR are shit, that's about the only thing I'd want them to fix.  Everything else was awesome.

[cool breeze]

Agree with Ichirou.  I don't think there was a problem with the first game's controls outside of the gun/aiming stuff.  Well, driving was weird too.  And Otis.  Fuck Otis.

[pilonv1]

I hated those stupid cunts in the park who respawned. And the guns. But other than that it was fine.

[T234]

The only thing I get out of the trailers is that they want the main character to be bad ass with a biker jacket and stern expression.  Frank West was just kind a weird dude.  Kinda stocky, large forehead, nose and chin.  He was a cheesy journalist.

then again, I saw a video on gamespot that has the main character go into a sex shop and come out with a fishnet shirt and a dildo.

haha, I must see this.

[chronovore]

Agree with Ichirou.  I don't think there was a problem with the first game's controls outside of the gun/aiming stuff.  Well, driving was weird too.  And Otis.  Fuck Otis.

QFT, man. QFT.

[The Sceneman]

I just played 30+ hours of Dead Rising a few weeks ago to 1000 it, and it's still an amazing game. In fact I appreciate it even more in 2010, since there's still nothing else like it.

Capcom, the best developer of every generation

how was the 7day survivor achievement?! I wouldve gone for 1000 in Dead Rising already, but that achievement scared the crap out of me! Put me off going for the others, I have 780 iirc, still need Saint and Zombie Genocider etc.

[demi]

It was a problem due to running off a DVD and heating, but now that you can run from HDD it's not so bad. There's still a nasty glitch involved that can wreck your play.

[The Sceneman]

I would probably drop kick my 360 across the room if It crapped out while doing that dang 14 hour non-stop thing. And I would kill myself if I stuffed up 12 hours into it or something. Yeah there are lengths Im willing to go to for achievements but this one is way too hardcore.

[iconoclast]

7 day survivor is pretty easy, you just stand around waiting to eat every 15 minutes or whatever and occasionally kill someone for more food. There's even an awesome tool here that shows when all the survivors/psychos spawn and how much food is in each location. http://hoddans.com/tool/drsurvival/

All you really need is to be level 50 and have 14+ hours to waste. The real mega buster is very useful too but its not completely necessary.

[The Sceneman]

I am soon to be dirty poor student status, so I could perhaps do the achievement during a long study day. lol.

Man Im pumped to get back into Dead Rising now... might fire it up when I get home 

[Ichirou]

How do you get the real mega buster?

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Get the Zombie Genocider achievement. You have to kill an assload of zombies in one game. Basically, you have to drive around in the tunnels for a few hours straight.

[Ichirou]

Bleah.

[chronovore]

Yeah, I got about halfway to Zombie Genocider and decided I had a better way to spend a Saturday night. Stupid me, I actually still think about going back and getting that one. Such an Achievement hooooor; that jones just creeps up on me. *taps vein nervously*