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Svejk

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« Reply #29880 on: March 08, 2022, 01:38:57 PM »
A Vagrant Story remake would probably cost less and do better.
SE could simply do Remakes of their entire PS1 lineup for the next ten years and they'd do fine.  They shat gold that era.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #29881 on: March 08, 2022, 01:42:22 PM »
Yeah but I don’t trust them with everything.

Parasite Eve could be rebooted as an over the shoulder third person shooter ala RE3.

Vagrant Story could get a remake as a more story focused Souls game, more akin to Serkio.

But I’m not sure if I trust Japanese Square to nail those genres. Yeah VII Remake has a pretty exciting and well done action rpg battle system. But Square has never done more action gameplay that well.  Turn based or action RPGs? Yeah they can handle that.

MMaRsu

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« Reply #29882 on: March 08, 2022, 06:38:57 PM »
Met my first hacker in Tarkov.. -_-

He was nice tho and let me live, even gave me a bitcoin and told me to get to running

 :yuck
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BisMarckie

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« Reply #29883 on: March 08, 2022, 07:13:00 PM »
He gave you one bitcoin? :doge

Tasty

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« Reply #29884 on: March 08, 2022, 07:23:31 PM »
MM buddy I've always been your favorite Bore poster right 🤑

Nintex

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MMaRsu

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« Reply #29886 on: March 09, 2022, 03:07:42 PM »
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tiesto

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« Reply #29887 on: March 09, 2022, 05:24:01 PM »
Goddamnit, a new Valkyrie game and it looks like they turned it into another samey-looking action RPG. Part of what made the VP series so good was its interesting 2D environmental navigation/platforming, and its uniquie turn-based/timing-based battle system.
^_^

Beezy

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« Reply #29888 on: March 09, 2022, 05:43:03 PM »
It looks low budget as hell

Bebpo

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« Reply #29889 on: March 09, 2022, 06:20:47 PM »
Looks like a shitty Nier Automata with bad art.

Svejk

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29890 on: March 09, 2022, 06:39:55 PM »
Valkyrie looked like it was for Mobile or Switch.  Should've gone with 2DHD.

And WTF, Capcom?!... Exoprimal
People are asking for Dino Crisis, not this Anthem pawn off!   :yuck  Don't start down this road, Cap...


Bebpo

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« Reply #29891 on: March 09, 2022, 06:41:14 PM »


This looks alright, just wish it was turn-based and not RTS. Japanese studios do not have a great track record with RTS. I feel like SE's last was FFXII Revenant Wings?

Developers are a support studio that worked on Etrian Odyssey, Smt4, Smt strange journey. Solid creds and art is good. If turn-based would be more interested but since it's Japanese it may still secretly have a pause mode. Will keep an eye on it.

paprikastaude

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« Reply #29892 on: March 09, 2022, 06:47:23 PM »
I wouldn't mind the dino game if it also had singleplayer, but alas :snore

Valkyrie feels like Soul Hackers 2. I can deal with low budget if I must, but why also change the whole tone of the series?
« Last Edit: March 09, 2022, 06:52:31 PM by paprikastaude »

Bebpo

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« Reply #29893 on: March 09, 2022, 06:53:20 PM »
I thought it was a Lost Planet horde mode game at first. Feels weird that in 2022 Capcom of all studios would be chasing multiplayer-online still.

Bebpo

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« Reply #29894 on: March 09, 2022, 06:53:53 PM »
I wouldn't mind the dino game if it also had singleplayer, but alas :snore

Valkyrie feels like Soul Hackers 2. I can deal with low budget if I must, but why also change the whole tone of the series?

At least Soul Hackers 2 looks like it'll still play similar. VP's whole thing is its battle system which is gone...

Bebpo

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« Reply #29895 on: March 09, 2022, 06:55:25 PM »


This looks surprisingly solid. Feels like either it's gonna be a 6/10 mess from a new studio or an 8/10 cool game from a new studio. I love that the style has that Maken X SMT stylish modern tokyo horror look.

If it reviews at like 7-8s I'll probably give it a shot.

Tasty

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« Reply #29896 on: March 09, 2022, 07:22:30 PM »
Shinji Mikami directs and produces games I like to play. I'm hype no matter what.

I had similar levels of hype for TEW and I ended up really, really enjoying that game.

Bebpo

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« Reply #29897 on: March 09, 2022, 07:41:05 PM »
Shinji Mikami directs and produces games I like to play. I'm hype no matter what.

I had similar levels of hype for TEW and I ended up really, really enjoying that game.

Yeah, but Mikami directed TEW. If he had directed this I'd feel more optimistic about it.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #29898 on: March 09, 2022, 08:16:26 PM »
I think Ghostwire looks pretty lame and it being first-person makes it a hard pass.

Other than that, decent show.

Capcom's Dino Crisis X Earth Defense Force with an Anthem filter could be fun. I'm always down for Capcom. Though, yeah no single player is kind of disappointing. Capcom makes great single player action games and I want more of them.

The Diofield whatever is not my kind of game, but Im a huge fan of Square continuing to make smaller AA games. This is really continuing Square's Bronze Era.

For VALKYRIE ELYSIUM, why the fuck did you not get Platnium for this? It would have looked better and played better. Getting Team Ninja's cast offs as replacement Platnium maybe sounds good on paper. Like a lot of Square's projects, they have logic to them, but the exacution is lacking. I fear this is probably the case with this. A mid-budget action RPG makes sense after you had success with Automata, but maybe go for the real thing.

Forspoken's combat looked better, but sorry the whole vibe to me is so cringy and in the end I think bland.

All and all, decent show and Square continues to be my favorite publisher and developer. If only because they seem so insane.





Bebpo

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« Reply #29899 on: March 09, 2022, 08:29:10 PM »
The marketing for Forspoken has the same issue as Guardians of the Galaxy and even FFXV did.
Like the trailers just focus on one aspect of the game over and over again. Here it's the combat. You can run and jump and use magic!!


But like...where's the game outside of the combat? Same issue as FFXV trailers.

Tasty

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« Reply #29900 on: March 09, 2022, 09:01:41 PM »
Shinji Mikami directs and produces games I like to play. I'm hype no matter what.

I had similar levels of hype for TEW and I ended up really, really enjoying that game.

Yeah, but Mikami directed TEW. If he had directed this I'd feel more optimistic about it.

Resident Evil 2 - Producer
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis - Producer
Resident Evil – Code: Veronica - Producer
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2 & 3 - Executive Producer
killer7 - Executive Producer
The Evil Within 2 - Executive Producer
GhostWire Tokyo - Executive Producer

Haven't played TEW2 yet but heard good things. All this plus the first games in the Dino Crisis and Steel Battalion series.

Even as a producer or supervisor his resume is impressive. That said, GhostWire could be super divisive at the end of the day, like Shadows of the Damned I suppose.

Polident Hive

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« Reply #29901 on: March 09, 2022, 10:19:29 PM »
Ghostwire Tokyo looks really cool. Maken X is a good shout out. Unfortunate timing dropping next to Elden Ring and Kirby but plan on circling back to it during the steam sales or gamepass. There's something novel about the mundane areas of Tokyo showcased in videos. Expected given the large map to build interstitial areas between landmarks. There aren't many open world games set in Tokyo that come to mind.

Svejk

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« Reply #29902 on: March 09, 2022, 11:24:21 PM »
Honestly, the best part of that State of Play for me, was the Returnal 2p Co-op update for the campaign.

Bebpo

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« Reply #29903 on: March 09, 2022, 11:47:16 PM »
Honestly, the best part of that State of Play for me, was the Returnal 2p Co-op update for the campaign.

Returnal's cool, but game is gonna sit in my backlog until they make an easy mode with checkpoints or saves, or they announce a PC version I can mod/trainer.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #29904 on: March 10, 2022, 01:02:17 AM »
Co-op could be the easy mode.

bork

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« Reply #29905 on: March 10, 2022, 08:19:24 AM »
Goddamnit, a new Valkyrie game and it looks like they turned it into another samey-looking action RPG. Part of what made the VP series so good was its interesting 2D environmental navigation/platforming, and its uniquie turn-based/timing-based battle system.

Have you tried Indivisible? 
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Svejk

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« Reply #29906 on: March 10, 2022, 08:26:48 AM »
Co-op could be the easy mode.
That's what I'm hoping for.  As long as the other person doesn't leave you in the dust, the game will be WAY easier with more of the enemy focus elsewhere.  Sounds hella fun actually...  Almost like a proper 3D Contra of sorts.

tiesto

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29907 on: March 10, 2022, 09:27:50 AM »
Goddamnit, a new Valkyrie game and it looks like they turned it into another samey-looking action RPG. Part of what made the VP series so good was its interesting 2D environmental navigation/platforming, and its uniquie turn-based/timing-based battle system.

Have you tried Indivisible?

Not yet, I've heard it was a total disappointment unfortunately :(
Which is a shame since VP battle system + Kikuta soundtrack seems like my dream game.
^_^

demi

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« Reply #29908 on: March 10, 2022, 10:27:05 AM »
Indivisible is buttcheeks

Play Fallen Legion for a more VP experience

You could even settle for Exist Archive
« Last Edit: March 10, 2022, 10:31:41 AM by demi »
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Bebpo

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« Reply #29909 on: March 10, 2022, 12:52:01 PM »
I liked Exist.

demi

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« Reply #29910 on: March 10, 2022, 01:02:49 PM »
BTW pretty much everything announced at the sony thing is coming to Xbox/others, besides the Valkyrie game. Which makes me wonder the fuck was the point of that State of Play lol

Trek to Yomi is also coming to GamePass
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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #29911 on: March 10, 2022, 03:16:16 PM »
Brand association?

Pretty much everything is coming to multiple systems. The power to me seems to be in making it seem otherwise.

tiesto

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« Reply #29912 on: March 10, 2022, 08:28:29 PM »
I liked Exist.

I'd have liked it a lot more if there were more than 3 different environments and 8 different monsters palette swapped a ridiculous amount of times.
^_^

chronovore

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Nuitangg

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29914 on: March 14, 2022, 12:14:57 PM »
Anyone gaming on an HDMI 2.1 monitor? Was looking around and everything seems so overpriced.

MMaRsu

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« Reply #29915 on: March 14, 2022, 03:16:57 PM »
Yeah on an LGCX BABYYYYY
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Nintex

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« Reply #29916 on: March 15, 2022, 07:29:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/RockstarGames/status/1503717804268269569

GTAV for XSX/PS5 looks pretty good.
Seems to be only $10 at launch.


In other news EA has cancelled EA Play 2022.
My brother said many more things will be postponed and even cancelled, some studios depend heavily on Ukraine and Russia for outsourcing.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2022, 08:20:03 PM by Nintex »
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chronovore

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« Reply #29917 on: March 15, 2022, 09:50:49 PM »
https://twitter.com/RockstarGames/status/1503717804268269569

GTAV for XSX/PS5 looks pretty good.
Seems to be only $10 at launch.


In other news EA has cancelled EA Play 2022.
My brother said many more things will be postponed and even cancelled, some studios depend heavily on Ukraine and Russia for outsourcing.

Fired this up this morning. It does not look wildly different than PS4 version on PS5, though it's apparently 4K instead of 2K. I'm going to go back and look for ray-tracing evidence. LODs seem to be handled better, and the GTAO load was 53 seconds instead a year-and-a-half.

Pissy F Benny

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29918 on: March 16, 2022, 04:46:31 AM »
I tried it and the lip syncing was fucked for me, wut :anhuld
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Pissy F Benny

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« Reply #29919 on: March 16, 2022, 08:41:37 AM »
I tried it and the lip syncing was fucked for me, wut :anhuld

Guessing this was a quirk of switching to the 60fps mode :thinking
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chronovore

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« Reply #29920 on: March 16, 2022, 09:59:32 AM »
I won’t be playing the Story again. 100% complete on 360, Platinum on PS. Very done.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #29921 on: March 16, 2022, 04:39:26 PM »
Probably worth it for some just with the better online load in.

Because Christ does it take forever on the older consoles.

MMaRsu

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« Reply #29922 on: March 16, 2022, 05:37:07 PM »
What

bork

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« Reply #29923 on: March 17, 2022, 08:18:58 AM »


Out on Playstation and PC.
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tiesto

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« Reply #29924 on: March 17, 2022, 11:52:48 AM »
Heh, I got confused with those boring-ass civilization games called "ANNO" for a minute. That looks pretty badass!
^_^

demi

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29925 on: March 17, 2022, 12:32:31 PM »
Until Dawn 2 announced

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Bebpo

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« Reply #29926 on: March 17, 2022, 01:32:19 PM »
So I think it's sorta worth noting as an industry thing how fucked the GAAS MTX situation in GT7 is since Sony has generally not been a horrible MTX GAAS company and Sony has 10 GAAS games in the pipeline.

Basically the credit grind in GT7 is extremely slow compared to every other racer and even GT Sport and the cars cost more than ever and everything is designed for real money whale $$$ like a gacha game.

There's a short 10-15 hour campaign mode with a variety of events, license tests, missions which shower you with low-end normal cars and keeps you broke because you need to spend all your money tuning them to win races. This gets you about 100 of the 450 cars in the game.

After that you have to grind. Online races pay absolutely nothing. 4 hours of online racing pays like 200k credits which is real MTX money $2.50 USD, grinding SP racing pays about 200k/hour. The top cars can cost up to $20M which is like 40 hours of grinding for one car. Even in real MTX money that's like $150 for one car. In GT Sport, you could just pay real USD money to buy the same car for like $2.50-$5.

The online mode is set up in a way that to be competitive you'll need an expensive car and tons of money to buy all the parts to tune it up or you'll be in last place. So basically encouraging whales spending hundreds of USD on top of a $70 game + PS+ yearly fee, just to race online.

All to unlock stuff, your "level" isn't tied to racing or winning races. It's a "collector's level" which levels up as you buy more cars. Which is focused at making people want to spend more credits.

Additionally, some of the 450 cars, are hidden behind "invites" which you have to win in a roulette from grinding roulette tickets and then you get an invite to buy an expensive fancy car that is otherwise not available, but the kicker is the invite expires in 2 weeks so you have 2 weeks to come up with a ton of credits either from grinding for a dozen hours or paying like $20-$100 USD.

You also can't sell cars anymore for $$.

And the game is always online and like right now the servers are down so you can't even play the SP campaign or the game at all.

Now the extra scumminess of this all:

-When reviewers had the game for reviews and it got a bunch of 9s, MTX were disabled and the reviewers had no way of knowing how much real money, MTX market launched after reviews

-Yesterday they put out a patch and they halved the race payouts for the best races that people were using to grind credits. So instead of taking 20-40 hours to get a top-car, it's now 40-80 hours of grinding for the same car.


The backlash has already started and it will definitely get louder and louder as people finish up the short campaign and run into this grind. Will be interesting to see what Sony does. I remember Forza 5 or 6? had a similar issue though not as disgusting where it launched with tons of MTX and there was an uproar and eventually they went back on the whole thing. Will definitely be interesting to see if Sony is willing to back off and make the economy more reasonable.

If not, then expect future Sony games to be gacha city on top of $80 purchases.


It's just crazy that literally the same cars in GT7 cost like 10-40x more time and real money investment than they do in their previous game GT Sport which already had MTX. Like that is just fuckery right there.


I'm enjoying the SP campaign outside the AI being awful and ramming you non-stop, but once I beat the SP and see the credits I'm out. Will go back to Forza 7, Horizon 5 instead and maybe even jump back to GT Sport unless this is sorted out. This is going to absolutely kill the online in the game since most people won't be willing to be whales and will leave. Gonna be a dead online racing community quick at this rate, which may get them to change stuff.

Here's an article on it at launch before yesterday's nerf to payouts:

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/gran-turismo-7s-microtransactions-are-live-and-gt-sports-5-cars-now-cost-40/
« Last Edit: March 17, 2022, 01:41:35 PM by Bebpo »

Svejk

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29927 on: March 17, 2022, 02:19:23 PM »
So I think it's sorta worth noting as an industry thing how fucked the GAAS MTX situation in GT7 is since Sony has generally not been a horrible MTX GAAS company and Sony has 10 GAAS games in the pipeline.

Basically the credit grind in GT7 is extremely slow compared to every other racer and even GT Sport and the cars cost more than ever and everything is designed for real money whale $$$ like a gacha game.

There's a short 10-15 hour campaign mode with a variety of events, license tests, missions which shower you with low-end normal cars and keeps you broke because you need to spend all your money tuning them to win races. This gets you about 100 of the 450 cars in the game.

After that you have to grind. Online races pay absolutely nothing. 4 hours of online racing pays like 200k credits which is real MTX money $2.50 USD, grinding SP racing pays about 200k/hour. The top cars can cost up to $20M which is like 40 hours of grinding for one car. Even in real MTX money that's like $150 for one car. In GT Sport, you could just pay real USD money to buy the same car for like $2.50-$5.

The online mode is set up in a way that to be competitive you'll need an expensive car and tons of money to buy all the parts to tune it up or you'll be in last place. So basically encouraging whales spending hundreds of USD on top of a $70 game + PS+ yearly fee, just to race online.

All to unlock stuff, your "level" isn't tied to racing or winning races. It's a "collector's level" which levels up as you buy more cars. Which is focused at making people want to spend more credits.

Additionally, some of the 450 cars, are hidden behind "invites" which you have to win in a roulette from grinding roulette tickets and then you get an invite to buy an expensive fancy car that is otherwise not available, but the kicker is the invite expires in 2 weeks so you have 2 weeks to come up with a ton of credits either from grinding for a dozen hours or paying like $20-$100 USD.

You also can't sell cars anymore for $$.

And the game is always online and like right now the servers are down so you can't even play the SP campaign or the game at all.

Now the extra scumminess of this all:

-When reviewers had the game for reviews and it got a bunch of 9s, MTX were disabled and the reviewers had no way of knowing how much real money, MTX market launched after reviews

-Yesterday they put out a patch and they halved the race payouts for the best races that people were using to grind credits. So instead of taking 20-40 hours to get a top-car, it's now 40-80 hours of grinding for the same car.


The backlash has already started and it will definitely get louder and louder as people finish up the short campaign and run into this grind. Will be interesting to see what Sony does. I remember Forza 5 or 6? had a similar issue though not as disgusting where it launched with tons of MTX and there was an uproar and eventually they went back on the whole thing. Will definitely be interesting to see if Sony is willing to back off and make the economy more reasonable.

If not, then expect future Sony games to be gacha city on top of $80 purchases.


It's just crazy that literally the same cars in GT7 cost like 10-40x more time and real money investment than they do in their previous game GT Sport which already had MTX. Like that is just fuckery right there.


I'm enjoying the SP campaign outside the AI being awful and ramming you non-stop, but once I beat the SP and see the credits I'm out. Will go back to Forza 7, Horizon 5 instead and maybe even jump back to GT Sport unless this is sorted out. This is going to absolutely kill the online in the game since most people won't be willing to be whales and will leave. Gonna be a dead online racing community quick at this rate, which may get them to change stuff.

Here's an article on it at launch before yesterday's nerf to payouts:

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/gran-turismo-7s-microtransactions-are-live-and-gt-sports-5-cars-now-cost-40/
It is super shitty.  I have a feeling that they will eventually roll it back..  The way I currently see it, Sony's dumb, but not that dumb; they like to take advantage of putting feelers out there... even though they know what the majority will respond with... it's like they just want to see how far they can go with nickel and diming, then when scaling back, they're all like "We listened, and we responded!  Look how awesome we are!  Because we care about teh players!!!" (same shit with Horizon FW) They know people don't want that shit, but they  want more money ultimately, so they play this game of fake redemption.  Not just Sony, but all sorts of devs pull this crap.   

HardcoreRetro

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« Reply #29928 on: March 17, 2022, 02:49:07 PM »
More like Sony's State of Pay.

Bebpo

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29929 on: March 17, 2022, 02:59:26 PM »
So I think it's sorta worth noting as an industry thing how fucked the GAAS MTX situation in GT7 is since Sony has generally not been a horrible MTX GAAS company and Sony has 10 GAAS games in the pipeline.

Basically the credit grind in GT7 is extremely slow compared to every other racer and even GT Sport and the cars cost more than ever and everything is designed for real money whale $$$ like a gacha game.

There's a short 10-15 hour campaign mode with a variety of events, license tests, missions which shower you with low-end normal cars and keeps you broke because you need to spend all your money tuning them to win races. This gets you about 100 of the 450 cars in the game.

After that you have to grind. Online races pay absolutely nothing. 4 hours of online racing pays like 200k credits which is real MTX money $2.50 USD, grinding SP racing pays about 200k/hour. The top cars can cost up to $20M which is like 40 hours of grinding for one car. Even in real MTX money that's like $150 for one car. In GT Sport, you could just pay real USD money to buy the same car for like $2.50-$5.

The online mode is set up in a way that to be competitive you'll need an expensive car and tons of money to buy all the parts to tune it up or you'll be in last place. So basically encouraging whales spending hundreds of USD on top of a $70 game + PS+ yearly fee, just to race online.

All to unlock stuff, your "level" isn't tied to racing or winning races. It's a "collector's level" which levels up as you buy more cars. Which is focused at making people want to spend more credits.

Additionally, some of the 450 cars, are hidden behind "invites" which you have to win in a roulette from grinding roulette tickets and then you get an invite to buy an expensive fancy car that is otherwise not available, but the kicker is the invite expires in 2 weeks so you have 2 weeks to come up with a ton of credits either from grinding for a dozen hours or paying like $20-$100 USD.

You also can't sell cars anymore for $$.

And the game is always online and like right now the servers are down so you can't even play the SP campaign or the game at all.

Now the extra scumminess of this all:

-When reviewers had the game for reviews and it got a bunch of 9s, MTX were disabled and the reviewers had no way of knowing how much real money, MTX market launched after reviews

-Yesterday they put out a patch and they halved the race payouts for the best races that people were using to grind credits. So instead of taking 20-40 hours to get a top-car, it's now 40-80 hours of grinding for the same car.


The backlash has already started and it will definitely get louder and louder as people finish up the short campaign and run into this grind. Will be interesting to see what Sony does. I remember Forza 5 or 6? had a similar issue though not as disgusting where it launched with tons of MTX and there was an uproar and eventually they went back on the whole thing. Will definitely be interesting to see if Sony is willing to back off and make the economy more reasonable.

If not, then expect future Sony games to be gacha city on top of $80 purchases.


It's just crazy that literally the same cars in GT7 cost like 10-40x more time and real money investment than they do in their previous game GT Sport which already had MTX. Like that is just fuckery right there.


I'm enjoying the SP campaign outside the AI being awful and ramming you non-stop, but once I beat the SP and see the credits I'm out. Will go back to Forza 7, Horizon 5 instead and maybe even jump back to GT Sport unless this is sorted out. This is going to absolutely kill the online in the game since most people won't be willing to be whales and will leave. Gonna be a dead online racing community quick at this rate, which may get them to change stuff.

Here's an article on it at launch before yesterday's nerf to payouts:

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/gran-turismo-7s-microtransactions-are-live-and-gt-sports-5-cars-now-cost-40/
It is super shitty.  I have a feeling that they will eventually roll it back..  The way I currently see it, Sony's dumb, but not that dumb; they like to take advantage of putting feelers out there... even though they know what the majority will respond with... it's like they just want to see how far they can go with nickel and diming, then when scaling back, they're all like "We listened, and we responded!  Look how awesome we are!  Because we care about teh players!!!" (same shit with Horizon FW) They know people don't want that shit, but they  want more money ultimately, so they play this game of fake redemption.  Not just Sony, but all sorts of devs pull this crap.

I think things will get better if people complain loud enough like with the Horizon 2 $10 upgrade they walked back on. So hopefully people bitch and refund enough to make this happen.

At least do enough damage to Sony PR that their next GAAS game isn't anywhere near as bad.

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« Reply #29930 on: March 17, 2022, 05:09:50 PM »
So I think it's sorta worth noting as an industry thing how fucked the GAAS MTX situation in GT7 is since Sony has generally not been a horrible MTX GAAS company and Sony has 10 GAAS games in the pipeline.

Basically the credit grind in GT7 is extremely slow compared to every other racer and even GT Sport and the cars cost more than ever and everything is designed for real money whale $$$ like a gacha game.

There's a short 10-15 hour campaign mode with a variety of events, license tests, missions which shower you with low-end normal cars and keeps you broke because you need to spend all your money tuning them to win races. This gets you about 100 of the 450 cars in the game.

After that you have to grind. Online races pay absolutely nothing. 4 hours of online racing pays like 200k credits which is real MTX money $2.50 USD, grinding SP racing pays about 200k/hour. The top cars can cost up to $20M which is like 40 hours of grinding for one car. Even in real MTX money that's like $150 for one car. In GT Sport, you could just pay real USD money to buy the same car for like $2.50-$5.

The online mode is set up in a way that to be competitive you'll need an expensive car and tons of money to buy all the parts to tune it up or you'll be in last place. So basically encouraging whales spending hundreds of USD on top of a $70 game + PS+ yearly fee, just to race online.

All to unlock stuff, your "level" isn't tied to racing or winning races. It's a "collector's level" which levels up as you buy more cars. Which is focused at making people want to spend more credits.

Additionally, some of the 450 cars, are hidden behind "invites" which you have to win in a roulette from grinding roulette tickets and then you get an invite to buy an expensive fancy car that is otherwise not available, but the kicker is the invite expires in 2 weeks so you have 2 weeks to come up with a ton of credits either from grinding for a dozen hours or paying like $20-$100 USD.

You also can't sell cars anymore for $$.

And the game is always online and like right now the servers are down so you can't even play the SP campaign or the game at all.

Now the extra scumminess of this all:

-When reviewers had the game for reviews and it got a bunch of 9s, MTX were disabled and the reviewers had no way of knowing how much real money, MTX market launched after reviews

-Yesterday they put out a patch and they halved the race payouts for the best races that people were using to grind credits. So instead of taking 20-40 hours to get a top-car, it's now 40-80 hours of grinding for the same car.


The backlash has already started and it will definitely get louder and louder as people finish up the short campaign and run into this grind. Will be interesting to see what Sony does. I remember Forza 5 or 6? had a similar issue though not as disgusting where it launched with tons of MTX and there was an uproar and eventually they went back on the whole thing. Will definitely be interesting to see if Sony is willing to back off and make the economy more reasonable.

If not, then expect future Sony games to be gacha city on top of $80 purchases.


It's just crazy that literally the same cars in GT7 cost like 10-40x more time and real money investment than they do in their previous game GT Sport which already had MTX. Like that is just fuckery right there.


I'm enjoying the SP campaign outside the AI being awful and ramming you non-stop, but once I beat the SP and see the credits I'm out. Will go back to Forza 7, Horizon 5 instead and maybe even jump back to GT Sport unless this is sorted out. This is going to absolutely kill the online in the game since most people won't be willing to be whales and will leave. Gonna be a dead online racing community quick at this rate, which may get them to change stuff.

Here's an article on it at launch before yesterday's nerf to payouts:

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/gran-turismo-7s-microtransactions-are-live-and-gt-sports-5-cars-now-cost-40/

MS did a similar thing with Forza 5 back in the early days of the xbone and got shit all over for it, then tried again with loot boxes in forza 7, to a similar response.

Why did Sony think they could get away with it all these years later :oreilly

Btw once you finish the menus your access to the prize tickets dries up besides the ones you get for doing your daily miles :wow
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29931 on: March 17, 2022, 05:26:24 PM »
Harry Potter game looked pretty cool. Graphically not a stunner but it seems to capture the atmosphere of the movies pretty well.

Hope the gameplay is decent.

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« Reply #29932 on: March 17, 2022, 05:45:02 PM »
Yikes, that's terrible. I also didn't know MS tried some bullshit with the Horizon games too.

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29933 on: March 17, 2022, 05:50:00 PM »
So I think it's sorta worth noting as an industry thing how fucked the GAAS MTX situation in GT7 is since Sony has generally not been a horrible MTX GAAS company and Sony has 10 GAAS games in the pipeline.

Basically the credit grind in GT7 is extremely slow compared to every other racer and even GT Sport and the cars cost more than ever and everything is designed for real money whale $$$ like a gacha game.

There's a short 10-15 hour campaign mode with a variety of events, license tests, missions which shower you with low-end normal cars and keeps you broke because you need to spend all your money tuning them to win races. This gets you about 100 of the 450 cars in the game.

After that you have to grind. Online races pay absolutely nothing. 4 hours of online racing pays like 200k credits which is real MTX money $2.50 USD, grinding SP racing pays about 200k/hour. The top cars can cost up to $20M which is like 40 hours of grinding for one car. Even in real MTX money that's like $150 for one car. In GT Sport, you could just pay real USD money to buy the same car for like $2.50-$5.

The online mode is set up in a way that to be competitive you'll need an expensive car and tons of money to buy all the parts to tune it up or you'll be in last place. So basically encouraging whales spending hundreds of USD on top of a $70 game + PS+ yearly fee, just to race online.

All to unlock stuff, your "level" isn't tied to racing or winning races. It's a "collector's level" which levels up as you buy more cars. Which is focused at making people want to spend more credits.

Additionally, some of the 450 cars, are hidden behind "invites" which you have to win in a roulette from grinding roulette tickets and then you get an invite to buy an expensive fancy car that is otherwise not available, but the kicker is the invite expires in 2 weeks so you have 2 weeks to come up with a ton of credits either from grinding for a dozen hours or paying like $20-$100 USD.

You also can't sell cars anymore for $$.

And the game is always online and like right now the servers are down so you can't even play the SP campaign or the game at all.

Now the extra scumminess of this all:

-When reviewers had the game for reviews and it got a bunch of 9s, MTX were disabled and the reviewers had no way of knowing how much real money, MTX market launched after reviews

-Yesterday they put out a patch and they halved the race payouts for the best races that people were using to grind credits. So instead of taking 20-40 hours to get a top-car, it's now 40-80 hours of grinding for the same car.


The backlash has already started and it will definitely get louder and louder as people finish up the short campaign and run into this grind. Will be interesting to see what Sony does. I remember Forza 5 or 6? had a similar issue though not as disgusting where it launched with tons of MTX and there was an uproar and eventually they went back on the whole thing. Will definitely be interesting to see if Sony is willing to back off and make the economy more reasonable.

If not, then expect future Sony games to be gacha city on top of $80 purchases.


It's just crazy that literally the same cars in GT7 cost like 10-40x more time and real money investment than they do in their previous game GT Sport which already had MTX. Like that is just fuckery right there.


I'm enjoying the SP campaign outside the AI being awful and ramming you non-stop, but once I beat the SP and see the credits I'm out. Will go back to Forza 7, Horizon 5 instead and maybe even jump back to GT Sport unless this is sorted out. This is going to absolutely kill the online in the game since most people won't be willing to be whales and will leave. Gonna be a dead online racing community quick at this rate, which may get them to change stuff.

Here's an article on it at launch before yesterday's nerf to payouts:

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/gran-turismo-7s-microtransactions-are-live-and-gt-sports-5-cars-now-cost-40/

Why did Sony think they could get away with it all these years later :oreilly

Definitely feels like a case of not paying any attention to Forza. It's always been the case gameplay-wise, but this is one area they really should've paid attention to before trying it.

Or it's just pride & ego of we're GT and we can do whatever the fuck we want and you'll like it.

Yikes, that's terrible. I also didn't know MS tried some bullshit with the Horizon games too.

Nah, I think it was just the mainline Forza games. Don't think they did any crazy MTX gouging on FH.

When I said Horizon 2 in my post, was talking about Forbidden West, not FH.

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29934 on: March 17, 2022, 05:52:15 PM »
GT7's also been down and unable to be played in even SP for over 10 hours now with no communication other than "whoops, we found an issue with our patch so game is going down"

Game is getting review bombed across the board now. Between yesterday's credit nerfs and this, not a good day for Polyphony! Good day for gamers (other than people that really want to play GT today) though because the more pissed people are the more effect should have.

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29935 on: March 17, 2022, 06:08:11 PM »
Mario Kart continues being best racer

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29936 on: March 17, 2022, 06:12:47 PM »
Yikes, that's terrible. I also didn't know MS tried some bullshit with the Horizon games too.

It was the Forza Motorsport games, the horizon games have always been fair with payouts imo even they some have had micro transactions (2 and 3 mostly iirc)
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29937 on: March 17, 2022, 06:14:44 PM »
GT7's also been down and unable to be played in even SP for over 10 hours now with no communication other than "whoops, we found an issue with our patch so game is going down"

Game is getting review bombed across the board now. Between yesterday's credit nerfs and this, not a good day for Polyphony! Good day for gamers (other than people that really want to play GT today) though because the more pissed people are the more effect should have.

Did they really nerf the payouts yesterday, I was grinding out some credits for a Ferrari and had a hunch that I was getting less than usual, but I had also been drinking :trumps
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29938 on: March 17, 2022, 06:35:52 PM »
Mario Kart continues being best racer (Image removed from quote.)

Uhhh, wasn't that mobile one a total MTX thing?

Mainline games seem ok...so far.

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #29939 on: March 17, 2022, 06:37:13 PM »
GT7's also been down and unable to be played in even SP for over 10 hours now with no communication other than "whoops, we found an issue with our patch so game is going down"

Game is getting review bombed across the board now. Between yesterday's credit nerfs and this, not a good day for Polyphony! Good day for gamers (other than people that really want to play GT today) though because the more pissed people are the more effect should have.

Did they really nerf the payouts yesterday, I was grinding out some credits for a Ferrari and had a hunch that I was getting less than usual, but I had also been drinking :trumps



Fisherman's Ranch 1-lap dirt race was the one most people were using.