Author Topic: Dark Souls (Read 261507 times)

brob · « **Reply #900 on:** October 27, 2011, 03:33:36 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on October 27, 2011, 03:13:51 PM

Four Kings :'(

fuggen tell me about it. trying to do it with a lightning spear+2, iron flesh and combustion and I almost won twice in a row and decided to go do something productive instead. I'm wondering if I should farm so I can get my strength up enough to use a black knight greatsword or something. Can you apply fire resin to that? I don't think I can on the regular black knight sword. ;-/

iconoclast · « **Reply #901 on:** October 27, 2011, 03:44:40 PM »

Pretty sure you can't enchant any of the Black Knight weapons (or any weapon that takes special material to upgrade, ie. twinkling titanite, demon titanite, etc). Not 100% sure though.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #902 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:14:00 PM »

I was using a Lightning+5, and on my second try I went with a Demon's Spear+5, but going for a melee strategy in that environment, where I almost can't judge distance, was too hard. So I equipped over 40 combustions, marched to those bastards, and started casting like crazy, focusing one at a time, until they went down.

It went so smoothly the third time, I have to admit I was a little upset that I didn't break a sweat or used more than 5 flasks (that was a waste of a Kindle).

Anyhow, I'm now in front of Kaathe. What is exactly is he asking, and what are the consequences of this decision, icono?

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #903 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:26:37 PM »

If you're running around as a human, most definitely.

Even if you're offline, some NPCs can simulate co-op as well as invasions.

brob · « **Reply #904 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:28:11 PM »

waaaaaaaiiiiiiiitafuckingminute; how'd you get 40 combustion? I have 16.

Only pyromaniacs I've met have been the dude who was stuck in the bottle (he's since passed away) and the eggy bro.

Robo · « **Reply #905 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:29:39 PM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 27, 2011, 05:23:42 PM

So the game is already hard as fuck, but if you go online, other players can troll you by jumping into your game and killing you?

Only if you're Human and only people within a particular level range close to yours. They can't use items to heal and you have the ability to summon people to help deal with them, so it's not like it's really unfair or overwhelming or anything.

Robo · « **Reply #906 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:30:50 PM »

Quote from: Brobzoid on October 27, 2011, 05:28:11 PM

waaaaaaaiiiiiiiitafuckingminute; how'd you get 40 combustion? I have 16.

Only pyromaniacs I've met have been the dude who was stuck in the bottle (he's since passed away) and the eggy bro.

You can equip multiples of spells and the count stacks.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #907 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:35:07 PM »

Quote from: Brobzoid on October 27, 2011, 05:28:11 PM

waaaaaaaiiiiiiiitafuckingminute; how'd you get 40 combustion? I have 16.

Only pyromaniacs I've met have been the dude who was stuck in the bottle (he's since passed away) and the eggy bro.

2 regular Combustion spells, one from Laurentius in Firelink and the other from Queelana in Bightown. That's 32 casts.

Plus 1 Great Combustion from Queelana. That's 8 more casts.

I take my Pyrcomancy very seriously.

brob · « **Reply #908 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:37:54 PM »

I'm currently in the chaos witch covenant. +1 atm. Do I get great combust when I hit +2? Can I just buy combustion from the eggy pyro trainer? I'm assuming Queelana is the mute covenant leader?

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #909 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:44:08 PM »

No, the Queelana I met was in Blighttown at the end of the swamp, sitting in front of one of the columns, right before the Queelag's chambers. It appears that there are a couple of requirements for her to appears there:

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Ouelaana can prove a bit tricky to find. The first rule is that you have to find her before you beat the Boss Bed of Chaos in Lost lzalith. The second rule is that you must have a Pyromancer Flame at Level + 10 or higher. Once you have ascended your flame that high, and you have not beaten the Boss of Lost lzalith, enter the swamps of Blighttown.

The best way to do this is to warp to the chamber of the Daughter of Chaos, and from there, exit Ouelaag's Domain and enter the swamp. From the exit of Ouelaag's Domain, move forward and slightly left. Ahead you'll see a large stone column. Just behind that one, and slightly to the left of it is another stone column. You'll find Ouelaana sitting on the ground at the base of that second column.

Once you find her, talk to her and become her pupil, and she'll open her shop of Pyromancy. She sells Pyromancy magic, and can ascend a regular Pyromancy flame. Once you have ascended your flame to + 15, she can convert that flame to a Ouelaana Pyromancer Flame.

Oh shit, I had no idea about the flame conversion bit. I'm heading there right now!

brob · « **Reply #910 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:45:26 PM »

mine is 12+

why hasn't she hollered?

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #911 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:49:51 PM »

Mine was +12 as well when I visited.

She's easy to miss, thanks to the swamps' groovy ambiance.

cool breeze · « **Reply #912 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:33:54 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on October 27, 2011, 03:13:51 PM

Four Kings :'(

that was probably the easiest big boss battle for me. wear heavy armor, get in close (because the ranged attack is the only threat) and attack like mad.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #913 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:41:17 PM »

The Four Kings and Piscilla fights were the only ones I had to retry a few times up to this point.

Did you finish the game yet?

cool breeze · « **Reply #914 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:57:57 PM »

no, I'm just past 40 hours in. had to slow down because of work, and now BF3. going to pick back up tonight, probably to finish up the forest cov stuff.

game seems significantly longer than demon's souls

brob · « **Reply #915 on:** October 27, 2011, 07:14:29 PM »

I'm like 77 hours in and I have at least two major areas left. Though I've left it idling quite a bit while dicking around on the computer and stuffs until I figured out quit is pause.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #916 on:** October 27, 2011, 07:21:35 PM »

I'm 80 hours in and I'm about to start the Duke's Archives. Even though I left the game on a few times, I had no idea all of this was doable in 40 hours!

brob · « **Reply #917 on:** October 27, 2011, 07:24:19 PM »

The 80~ish min. speed-run has ruined all sense of how long this game is supposed to be for me.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #918 on:** October 27, 2011, 10:09:10 PM »

I'm going through Demon Ruins atm with about 50 hours clocked.

I saw all these people online that were like OMG 7 TAURUS DEMONS SO UNFAIR, I killed all those motherfuckers in one run and they don't even respawn.

TBH my character seems a little broken. All my levels are going into my INT so my sorcery is pretty powerful now, and Lightning Uchi +5 is really OP, so I can deal with almost anything fairly easily. My END is decent and I'm using a big shield so I can block most attacks well also. Game definitely got easier as I've progressed

cool breeze · « **Reply #919 on:** October 27, 2011, 10:46:01 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on October 27, 2011, 07:21:35 PM

I'm 80 hours in and I'm about to start the Duke's Archives. Even though I left the game on a few times, I had no idea all of this was doable in 40 hours!

remember that we're not doing this in the same order

I have no clue what Duke's Archives is. I'm pretty much just going around without a guide, seeing what areas I can get through.

brob · « **Reply #920 on:** October 27, 2011, 10:47:42 PM »

there are a couple of choke points that you have to do in order to open up new sets of areas, if I'm not mistaken. duke's archives is past three such story related choke points.

cool breeze · « **Reply #921 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:05:01 AM »

crystal cave, or 'get ready to hyperventilate'

The Sceneman · « **Reply #922 on:** October 28, 2011, 10:37:25 AM »

lol, these puppies I'm dogsitting atm have demolished my Dark Souls game case. Its chewed to bits. Thank god the disc was in the 360

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #923 on:** October 28, 2011, 11:54:24 AM »

Careful, they'll turn into one of Capra's minions *LOLSNORE*

The Sceneman · « **Reply #924 on:** October 28, 2011, 11:57:55 AM »

? @ *LOLSNORE*

not sure what that means, sorry.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #925 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:00:32 PM »

I lol'd then oinked like a pig. It's supposed to reflect the intensity of my joke.

brob · « **Reply #926 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:01:37 PM »

I don't always laugh out loud when I lol, but when I do I end it with a snort.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #927 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:05:23 PM »

That was the classiest way of correcting a filthy foreigner's spelling mistake.

brob · « **Reply #928 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:08:53 PM »

my parents raised me to be tolerant and understanding. stay out of my country and away from our women.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #929 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:21:51 PM »

lol! lets all cool our jets.

Dark Souls is GOTY 2011! Whos with me?!

Of course, I havent played Saints Row yet...

The Sceneman · « **Reply #930 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:23:50 PM »

but yes, these pooches in my face are like mini Capra demons! They have vicious claws

brob · « **Reply #931 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:38:08 PM »

jokes! I'm all love and cuddling.

ANWAY; I feel like I made a mistake going for DEX. at 40~ish I don't really feel the scaling hitting all that hard (pharis bow, winged spear, etc) and I feel I don't have any gear that's awesomesauce and I have no idea where I'd go to get some. maybe I'll dump some points into intelligence and go for more pyro stuff...

I'm not really concerned about pvp since I don't have access to online, so as long as I can go through the game and not hit any walls I'll be a happy camper.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #932 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:44:48 PM »

just make a lightning Uchi. No stat scaling. Just sweet weapon

The Sceneman · « **Reply #933 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:46:52 PM »

BTW INT does not scale any pyro shit. INT only scales sorcery magic

iconoclast · « **Reply #934 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:58:19 PM »

yeah, Pyro doesn't scale with stats, it's based entirely on how good your glove is. Shit's overpowered.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #935 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:02:28 PM »

I know, right?

It has it's it's own parameter that scales independently, so you never get when raising other stats.

brob · « **Reply #936 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:02:34 PM »

doesn't this mean that it scales with int after upgrades? I'm not 100% on the icons, and I'm not even 10% on how scaling is calculated so dunno if this is damage output or something else (I know casting time is affected by dex level in some minor regard for instance)

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #937 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:03:49 PM »

I think that's the "Physical Attack" power of the glove itself, the "Magic Adjust" remains unchanged. But I could be wrong.

brob · « **Reply #938 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:06:40 PM »

so the secondary attack (fire punch) scales with int? well that seems useless.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #939 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:07:26 PM »

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #940 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:10:23 PM »

I used the glitch reasonably, I only jumped to SL120 from SL80 and I'm still getting owned left and right. :'(

Quote from: Brobzoid on October 28, 2011, 01:06:40 PM

so the secondary attack (fire punch) scales with int? well that seems useless.

Pretty much what I thought, as I really didn't notice any changes after raising my INT from 12 to 22, and upgrading the glove until the INT stat bonus became S.

brob · « **Reply #941 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:14:01 PM »

well fuck intelligence then. brawn over brains all day

cool breeze · « **Reply #942 on:** October 28, 2011, 02:24:49 PM »

Quote from: iconoclast on October 28, 2011, 12:58:19 PM

yeah, Pyro doesn't scale with stats, it's based entirely on how good your glove is. Shit's overpowered.

apparently increasing dexterity decreases casting time slightly

brob · « **Reply #943 on:** October 28, 2011, 02:26:29 PM »

keyword:slightly.

brob · « **Reply #944 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:12:30 PM »

great combustion!

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #945 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:16:19 PM »

Combustion in general

cool breeze · « **Reply #946 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:33:37 PM »

great fireball does like 1.5x the damage of great combustion and has range. chaos great fireball or w/e does even more with splash damage, but it takes two slots.

firewhip seems bad at first because you have only have 1.5 uses, but it hits twice with each and covers a wide area in front of you. it can wreck slow bosses.

brob · « **Reply #947 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:39:37 PM »

chaos great fireball is lovely but takes both my slots and only have 4 uses. I need more slots. :'(

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #948 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:51:33 PM »

@Linkzg: that's true, but none of the pyromancies have the same number of casts and short casting time as combustion. It's especially good for any avid melee player whos used to getting close. And thanks to to lock-ons I rarely miss when closing in, especially on bosses and big enemies. Fireball, and all its variations, on the other hand need more precise timing and distancing.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #949 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:35:55 PM »

I'm getting increasingly invaded by people wearing the deprived armor set (lol) with the head gear that resembles the 3-3's Boss' or Aramis' NPC invader. Is there some kind of PvP fad going on that I'm not aware of?

Also, today was the first time I was invaded by people wearing the fog ring.

brob · « **Reply #950 on:** October 28, 2011, 07:04:31 PM »

how is it fighting someone who's all foggy? I sometimes have a hard time keeping up with the foggy NPC in the forest circling me when we are real close. I imagine a human player would have a lot easier time getting a backstab from such a situation. especially if you add in lag. $:-\$

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #951 on:** October 28, 2011, 07:13:13 PM »

I got used to it thanks to the forest people and the simplicity of the Duke's corridors. Fire Whip also helped me a lot, I spray it around me, they get caught, and then I melee them.

The two I faced today didn't seem interested in backstabs at all, unlike the Foggy forest theif. That dude is a total fog.

cool breeze · « **Reply #952 on:** October 28, 2011, 08:10:23 PM »

people who use the fog ring online are blowjobs. if the game had free aim controls, it wouldn't be bad. but the controls are in no way balanced to handle it. ranged and some melee attacks are broken.

lock on in general is horrible in this game. it needs free control to reflect the camera and not just the character. in tomb of the giants I died a couple times because I'd walk backwards, lock on would break, and the stupid character would be facing the complete opposite direction because I had been holding back. then the enemy would leap out and kill me in one hit.

brob · « **Reply #953 on:** October 28, 2011, 08:12:05 PM »

yeah the lock-on is hot trash. had no issues with it in Demon Souls so I have no idea why it doesn't work in this game.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #954 on:** October 28, 2011, 08:28:36 PM »

Other than jumping enemies breaking the lock-on, my experience with the system have been almost the same as Demon Souls'. But I agree that the franchise itself need a major improvement in that department. Strafing would alleviate some of my complaints, and if implementing it may conflict with other control "philosophies," then make it so it's only active when I'm holding the shield up with no lock-on.

cool breeze · « **Reply #955 on:** October 28, 2011, 11:56:23 PM »

fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck alvina

I spend hours in pvp waiting to get to unlock the fog ring. On a whim, I went back to the forest on my own and talked to the stupid cat. apparently I've killed enough online to earn it, who knows how long ago. maybe a heads up would be nice!

cool breeze · « **Reply #956 on:** October 29, 2011, 01:23:30 AM »

Lost I-something is almost blighttown bad. shit is seriously offensive to be in. it's just red bloom and crunch sounds from walking in lava. I don't even know what the fuck I'm fighting. all I see are dinosaurs feet occasionally stomping on me.

chronovore · « **Reply #957 on:** October 29, 2011, 02:23:46 AM »

Quote from: Linkzg on October 28, 2011, 11:56:23 PM

fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck alvina

I spend hours in pvp waiting to get to unlock the fog ring. On a whim, I went back to the forest on my own and talked to the stupid cat. apparently I've killed enough online to earn it, who knows how long ago. maybe a heads up would be nice!

Wait, you thought the game would tell you something useful... on its own? Through its own systems or dialog?

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iconoclast · « **Reply #958 on:** October 29, 2011, 03:55:46 AM »

Yeah, Lost Izalith is abysmal. By far the worst area in the game because it's so lazily designed. Big open fire pit with tons of bloom and shitty framerate + clone 20 headless dinosaurs. The second half of the stage is decent though.

cool breeze · « **Reply #959 on:** October 29, 2011, 04:42:58 AM »

the end boss would be super easy if

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he wasn't so fucking fast. there's barely time to regain stamina, let alone heal.

I had him down to a sliver of health but the game got stupid and his grab attack connected

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problems with this game are collision detection, shit lock-on, shit-camera, few shit levels, and few shit cheap design choices.

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Author Topic: Dark Souls (Read 261507 times)