Author Topic: The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread (Read 6013602 times)

Rman · « **Reply #2640 on:** May 14, 2011, 08:26:50 PM »

I'm guessing he just doesn't care and is going down in flames.

Funny stuff, though.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2641 on:** May 14, 2011, 08:39:54 PM »

He is, and it is. Sadly, that rarely leads to anything but bans/junioring these days unless you're really careful, and he's not

pilonv1 · « **Reply #2642 on:** May 14, 2011, 08:42:33 PM »

I like that sort of posting on a big forum

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2643 on:** May 14, 2011, 08:52:55 PM »

Speaking of fun times, check out this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430242

A bunch of idiots arguing with each other. So many stupid statements, so few non-stock, rational rebuttals.

I haven't switched between face-palming and slapping my forehead this much in quite some time.

etiolate · « **Reply #2644 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:25:11 PM »

There is less diversity in big pub games.

The first video GR linked may be a shooter, but its twist moves it more towards a maze shooter, which changes rhythm and approach from your regular old twin stick shooter. There's a ton of point n click adventures and Tower Defense games as well. And then there's the big pub games as well. The diversity I once found on consoles, I now find on steam. It's a matter of production costs. There's a lot of me toos in indie DD, but there's more types of me toos, and an ability to mess with those formulas at a smaller financial risk, and so there are more avenues pursued and more freshness to enjoy.

Himu · « **Reply #2645 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:28:03 PM »

if you have a problem with diveristy in pub games play xbla/psn/steam/psp/ds games. why bitch about it? there's something for everyone in this hobby and if you are unable to find ANYTHING you like in its current iteration perhaps gaming's not for you.

I mean, I mean cry about modern consoles a lot, but I do so knowing that xbla/psn/steam/ds/psp are perfectly viable alternatives and I get most of my gaming from those sources.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2646 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:31:20 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2011, 09:28:03 PM

if you have a problem with diveristy in pub games play xbla/psn/steam/psp/ds games. why bitch about it? there's something for everyone in this hobby and if you are unable to find ANYTHING you like in its current iteration perhaps gaming's not for you.

Agreed 100% on this. Among all the platforms if you can't find any gaming to be for you its time to move on to a new hobby

Himu · « **Reply #2647 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:36:32 PM »

DD > indie

the only indie game to ever interest me is that one yuzo koshiro game and cave story.

Himu · « **Reply #2648 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:41:19 PM »

I agree, and I've even sounded off on the lack of recent diversity in many console games, but like I said, I do so knowing there's always alternatives. Alternatives exist for a reason. Complaining about all pub games is silly and stupid, because you've thrown all games under a big fat bus. Sure, there's a lot of shooters, but that also means there's A LOT OF GOOD ONES.

I just don't get it. On consoles it's understandable, because both consoles share games more than ever these days, and most of the games are multiplatform, and whole genres are oversaturated for a multitude of reasons. But there's also a lot of great games in that pile, and even greater games on the handheld systems and dd services.

It just reeks of lack of foresight and an over eagerness to be contrarian and rebellious than truly embracing gaming. Especially when you start to pimp indie games, which are 99% of the time, total shit.

etiolate · « **Reply #2649 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:51:19 PM »

A lot of dd stuff can be published and still be from a small studio, or small developer otherwise independent of that publisher. There's varying degrees of "indie", and so a difference also exists between published games and big pub games. The term "indie" always gets sort of stretched around in any media.

But DD is more friendly to risk, which makes it more friendly to indie or small time developers working through a publisher, and DD itself is more established on PC than consoles.

So I don't think people are complaining about all published games. I think the issue is PC's old DOOM-KILLER disease has overtaken major console releases, and consoles are still working off a physical store model.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2650 on:** May 14, 2011, 09:59:11 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 14, 2011, 09:36:53 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
if you have a problem with diveristy in pub games play xbla/psn/steam/psp/ds games. why bitch about it? there's something for everyone in this hobby and if you are unable to find ANYTHING you like in its current iteration perhaps gaming's not for you.

I mean, I mean cry about modern consoles a lot, but I do so knowing that xbla/psn/steam/ds/psp are perfectly viable alternatives and I get most of my gaming from those sources.

i'm not sure "if you have a problem with x, why bitch about it? Door's that way." is useful stance in discussions. I mean, it's all fun and games until people start using that door, then you end up with the american comic book industry.

I don't mind bitching within a hobby about the said quality of titles within that hobby at any time. I just said above I think the diversity especially in the big hd high budget title area could be greater. That being said if somebody is going to spend all their time whining about it on messageboards and claiming there is nothing to play in all of the hobby, then that person probably needs better things to do with their free time. Not to mention a lot of the whining isn't actually aimed at expanding the market. It's aimed at nostalgia for whatever that person was playing X years ago. Time moves on. People need to deal with it. There is nothing more comic book-ish than appealing to the exact same audience with the exact same themes and the exact same characters over and over again. Not aimed at anyone in particular in this thread.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2651 on:** May 14, 2011, 10:55:18 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2011, 04:01:13 PM

indie games

Himu's opinions

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okay, just wanted to be sure that your response to my assertion that indie games aren't any more diverse than big pub games really was a twin stick shooter, a twin stick shooter, something original, and a point and click puzzle game.

Well, it's certainly a nice change from Call of Duty 11: Shooting Brown People in the Face Again, Assassin's Creed 53: Stabbin' People With My Middle Finger While Climbing on Buildings, and Final Fantasy CXIX: We're Plucky Teens and We're Gonna Save the World.

brob · « **Reply #2652 on:** May 14, 2011, 11:05:01 PM »

y'all a bunch of turd buckets, the 'indie' label has spawned some of the bestest games in the last few years imo. ice pick lodge <3

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2653 on:** May 14, 2011, 11:05:30 PM »

Minecraft

Himu · « **Reply #2654 on:** May 14, 2011, 11:07:32 PM »

Haven't played Minecraft, but when I think of indie I think of crappy games made one person who has no talent. Why would I want to play that? There's stuff like Cave Story, but for the most part, it seems it's riddled with filler.

Also see: source user maps. Almost all universally awful.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2655 on:** May 14, 2011, 11:08:48 PM »

"Indie" just means small team/small budget, not that some dude programmed it over the course of 3 years in his garage/basement.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2656 on:** May 14, 2011, 11:18:07 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 14, 2011, 10:09:29 PM

so essentially, you agree with magus?

edit: erm, with regards to sequelling being a bad thing, not with his view that there is nothing out there but sequels.

I think I agree with parts of what everybody is saying. I think there is less innovation and diversity in games in general than there use to be. But I think the market is correcting itself a bit and I think that's a good thing. I think things like iphone apps, facebook games, indie scene, lower budget gaming, PSN/XBLA is and has been correcting a hole in the market that sort of grew as the budget sky-rocketed between PS 2 era and the HD era.

magus · « **Reply #2657 on:** May 15, 2011, 06:35:35 AM »

i don't know himu,you talk about portable... i mean sure there were a good chunk of nice games on ds and psp is getting that hot vanillaware game but the 3DS lineup is depressing and the reason i'm supposed to be excited for the NGP is because it can run uncharted

and let's not talk about all the pokeymanz,dragon quest ports,monster hunter ripoff and games that end up on portable "cause it's cheaper and everybody own a ds" like okamiden and dragon quest 9

anyway i offer this as "the last dumb thread i saw on gaf"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430275

archie4208 · « **Reply #2658 on:** May 15, 2011, 08:56:14 AM »

The Source 2 thread is the new carnival of stupid and Amir0x is the ringmaster.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2659 on:** May 15, 2011, 10:01:51 AM »

Quote from: archie4208 on May 15, 2011, 08:56:14 AM

The Source 2 thread is the new carnival of stupid and Amir0x is the ringmaster.

He's pretty much the ringmaster of stupid in every single thread he enters.

Chinner · « **Reply #2660 on:** May 15, 2011, 10:40:55 AM »

Sometimes Amirox has a pretty decent point to make but he has no elegance at all; He just comes in really aggressively and doesn't allow any leeway to anyone who has a decent argument in return.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2661 on:** May 15, 2011, 10:46:40 AM »

Yeah, I was reading the thread, and chavness aside, I don't think he's bringing up any outrageous opinions.

It's boiling down to "Source is showing its age."

No shit!

archie4208 · « **Reply #2662 on:** May 15, 2011, 10:51:55 AM »

As Chinner said, it is all about tone and presentation. There is a difference between "Source is showing its age and I am disappointed that Valve isn't catering to high end machines" and that garbage Amir0x is pulling off. Any other person would have been banned within 10 posts if they had the same aggressive attitude as Amir0x.

Edit: And I think Portal 2 is one of the best looking games around. Valve's art style certainly hides any technical deficiencies of Source. I was really impressed by the lighting and environmental destruction.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #2663 on:** May 15, 2011, 10:56:32 AM »

I dunno how the overall user map scene is nowadays, because I don't play much vs. MP in games anymore, but back when COD/COD:UO came out there were some really beautiful maps being created (I know it's not Source, but still). I do know there are a few great custom L4D/L4D2 campaigns out there.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2664 on:** May 15, 2011, 10:58:30 AM »

Count me in with those who think bringing up "art style" and "aesthetics" in technical discussions about engines' performances is a dumb cop out. One is very subjective and other is not. One is on topic and the other is not.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #2665 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:01:22 AM »

PSN is up for 4 hours and Sfans are back on offense

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27835791&postcount=3

Himu · « **Reply #2666 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:16:40 AM »

Quote from: magus on May 15, 2011, 06:35:35 AM

i don't know himu,you talk about portable... i mean sure there were a good chunk of nice games on ds and psp is getting that hot vanillaware game but the 3DS lineup is depressing and the reason i'm supposed to be excited for the NGP is because it can run uncharted

and let's not talk about all the pokeymanz,dragon quest ports,monster hunter ripoff and games that end up on portable "cause it's cheaper and everybody own a ds" like okamiden and dragon quest 9

anyway i offer this as "the last dumb thread i saw on gaf"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430275

so? they're new systems. new systems have bad lineups.

Himu · « **Reply #2667 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:20:42 AM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430282

Emphasis on the word 'popular'.

*posts some niche game*

/gaf

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #2668 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:22:28 AM »

Syphilis is free. Think about it.

Himu · « **Reply #2669 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:23:35 AM »

magus · « **Reply #2670 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:28:16 AM »

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so? they're new systems. new systems have bad lineups.

let's talk again in 3 weeks

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2671 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:29:58 AM »

Quote from: Herr Mafflard on May 15, 2011, 11:22:28 AM

Syphilis is free. Think about it.

y u be hatin mang? psn is the most secure online network out there. i think the whole thing was overblown anyway.

Himu · « **Reply #2672 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:31:07 AM »

And I mean, 3ds has a pretty good line up in the horizon so I don't even know what you're talking about.

Layton, Layton x Phoenix Wright, Dream Trigger, Kid Icarus, that new Level 5 game and more. I mean, what are you complaining about? It is a recently launched system. Even the ds sucked until Kirby came over half a year after the ds' launch.

Or is your memory really that short term?

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2673 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:39:46 AM »

Professor Layton is Highlights for Kids: The Game and I'd feel embarrassed for owning that. Phoenix Wright has always sucked ass. Kid Icarus wasn't good either back in the day, although the new game could be better.

I agree that the 3DS has some potential but for none of the games you mentioned, Himuro. Ridge Racer 3DS, Samurai Warriors Chronicles, Starfox 64, and Legend of Zelda in one year is pretty good, even if all but one are half assed portjobs. I'm sure there's another good game or two I'm missing. I thought the PSP launch timeframe was far better but the 3DS lineup is much better than the virtual desert known as the DS.

Himu · « **Reply #2674 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:41:08 AM »

Apples and orange. I think Phoenix Wright 1-3 are great. Kid Icarus is a rail shooter and I heart rail shooters. Same opinion goes towards Dream Trigger.

magus · « **Reply #2675 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:50:29 AM »

"ehy guys i think there are too many sequels"
"why are you complaining? the ds is going to get a 5th layton game and a phoenix wright game!"
"......"

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Level 5

ah yes! level 5 is pretty ballsy and announced tons of original games,that i can't negate,but then the only one that get translated is layton.....

Himu · « **Reply #2676 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:05:22 PM »

someone in that thread mentioned there hasn't been a new chrono because no one wants to do it. this may be heresy but I'd really like Bioware to make a new Chrono and I think they could do it justice, because Bioware, especially in their recent Mass Effect 2, have really mastered a specific action-adventure type of rpg. To me, Chrono was always so much more about the adventure than the rpg. If Chrono were an action adventure like Zelda I'd still fucking love it due to the premise.

Shuri · « **Reply #2677 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:08:40 PM »

I remember trying one of those Phoenix Wright games, the first two cases were interesting, logical, and somewhat grounded in reality, then the case i got started normally and went into the wtf-logic zone. I turned it off right away after some ridiculous 'twist' in the storyline. I just dont have time for anime storyline-infected twists in games. Shit's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

magus · « **Reply #2678 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:18:59 PM »

phoenix wright is awesome,you shut your whore mouth!

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chrono

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Bioware

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2679 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:23:48 PM »

Phoenix Wright is stupid animucrap that was hyped by Nintards only because it was on the game starved DS.

Back when the DS was starved for any kind of games, let alone original content, any game that wasn't total shit was hyped up as the monthly game of the forever; Phoenix Wright was one of these games. I remember being young and stupid, buying these games because they were treated as AAA titles on GAF, and then getting burned time and time again when I found out they were mostly crap. Hell, I practically quit gaming for two years because I kept getting burned repeatedly by overhyped junk like Phoenix Wright.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2680 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 15, 2011, 12:05:22 PM

someone in that thread mentioned there hasn't been a new chrono because no one wants to do it. this may be heresy but I'd really like Bioware to make a new Chrono and I think they could do it justice, because Bioware, especially in their recent Mass Effect 2, have really mastered a specific action-adventure type of rpg. To me, Chrono was always so much more about the adventure than the rpg. If Chrono were an action adventure like Zelda I'd still fucking love it due to the premise.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2681 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:32:40 PM »

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Phoenix Wright is stupid animucrap that was hyped by Nintards only because it was on the game starved DS.

The art style may look "animu" to the untrained eye, but I don't remember the games employing many embarrassing animu tropes. It's a legitimately good series in its respective genre, and how much you enjoy it depends on how open you are to said genre. The early drought may have given it more exposure, but it didn't alter people's opinion of it.

Himu · « **Reply #2682 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:39:01 PM »

PW3 came out years later when ds was hardly game starved and that game owned my wittle boots.

PW1-3 own, case closed.

magus · « **Reply #2683 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:45:02 PM »

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2684 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:46:53 PM »

Although I have to say, nerds can be extremely annoying when they use the series' memes and gifs. They've been run into the ground.

Himu · « **Reply #2685 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:48:32 PM »

i haven't played pw1 in years. god i love that fucking game.

the music!!!

:eb

Himu · « **Reply #2686 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:49:00 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on May 15, 2011, 12:46:53 PM

Although I have to say, nerds can be extremely annoying when they use the series' memes and gifs. They've been run into the ground.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2687 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:50:19 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on May 15, 2011, 12:46:53 PM

Although I have to say, nerds can be extremely annoying when they use the series' memes and gifs. They've been run into the ground.

Saying "Fans of X can be extremely annoying with their overuse of X's memes and gifs" has been run into the ground. Just saying.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2688 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:50:57 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on May 15, 2011, 12:32:40 PM

but I don't remember the games employing many embarrassing animu tropes.

I stand corrected

Himu · « **Reply #2689 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:52:13 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2011, 12:50:19 PM

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on May 15, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
Although I have to say, nerds can be extremely annoying when they use the series' memes and gifs. They've been run into the ground.

Saying "Fans of X can be extremely annoying with their overuse of X's memes and gifs" has been run into the ground. Just saying.

"Need a breast cancer examination young lady?"

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2690 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:56:54 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 15, 2011, 12:32:19 PM

I guess I just have bad taste.

I guess you do then. Sorry

cool breeze · « **Reply #2691 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:57:15 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 15, 2011, 12:20:46 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 15, 2011, 12:05:22 PM
someone in that thread mentioned there hasn't been a new chrono because no one wants to do it. this may be heresy but I'd really like Bioware to make a new Chrono and I think they could do it justice, because Bioware, especially in their recent Mass Effect 2, have really mastered a specific action-adventure type of rpg. To me, Chrono was always so much more about the adventure than the rpg. If Chrono were an action adventure like Zelda I'd still fucking love it due to the premise.

I think there's more to it than simply having no one wanting to do it, though that is likely part of it. Luckily your nightmarish vision cannot come to pass because it's pretty unlikely SE will tap a studio owned by another publisher to work on an IP where they have to pay people who have nothing to do with the new installment if they use it.

Obsidian expressed interest in making a Chrono game

Square-Enix is publishing Obsidian's Dungeon Siege 3

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Or just a new Obsidian game about time travel.

Also, Professor Layton are the most boringest games. They managed to turn ambien into a video game.

Himu · « **Reply #2692 on:** May 15, 2011, 12:58:01 PM »

Doesn't Obsidian kinda suck?

Bioware plz

Himu · « **Reply #2693 on:** May 15, 2011, 01:05:35 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430300

this thread is bananas

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2694 on:** May 15, 2011, 01:19:38 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 15, 2011, 12:58:01 PM

Doesn't Obsidian kinda suck?

No.

Edit: S-E's situation with the Chrono series is aggravating. They seem content to continue milking the first game with ports to the PS1, DS, and now the Wii, yet they won't work on any new games. At the same time, they jump at the chance to kill every single fan project that comes along.

archie4208 · « **Reply #2695 on:** May 15, 2011, 01:50:48 PM »

Why do you want Chrono Trigger 2 to be a dating sim, Himuro?

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #2696 on:** May 15, 2011, 01:52:22 PM »

CurseoftheGods is on a roll. I don't think anyone is exploiting the new "No thread whining" rule as much as he is

Diunx · « **Reply #2697 on:** May 15, 2011, 02:15:45 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 15, 2011, 01:05:35 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430300

this thread is bananas

A Jewish country sucks? I'm shocked.

cool breeze · « **Reply #2698 on:** May 15, 2011, 02:22:45 PM »

Quote from: archie4208 on May 15, 2011, 01:50:48 PM

Why do you want Chrono Trigger 2 to be a dating sim, Himuro?

have you played Chrono Trigger?

There is a nerdy white girl in your party and you can't get romantic with her.

Himu · « **Reply #2699 on:** May 15, 2011, 02:24:47 PM »

Quote from: archie4208 on May 15, 2011, 01:50:48 PM

Why do you want Chrono Trigger 2 to be a dating sim, Himuro?

i'd give bioware the benefit of the doubt and not include any dating elements.

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