Author Topic: The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread (Read 6310039 times)

Himu · « **Reply #13020 on:** January 06, 2012, 10:57:20 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on January 06, 2012, 10:51:24 AM

Windwaker is a good example. People really shit hard on that til Twilight Princess came out. I still can't believe it's now considered a great game. Most boring half-finished piece of shit Zelda in the whole 3D ser-... sorry, second-most boring half-finished piece of shit Zelda in the whole 3D series.

Wind Waker you can make a solid case for, and it's really the only notable example I can think of. But when you consider that the game is the worst selling 3d Zelda, it puts everything into perspective; maybe these people are lying and never played WW to begin with and are actually enjoying a brand new game experience? Sounds right to me.

I've always loved Wind Waker though, even though it's half assed in many areas, but I didn't enjoy WW for the dungeons as the dungeons are pretty paltry stuff. I liked exploring the ocean in WW the most. I traveled every tile, fed every damn fish, explored every island just to see what was up. That shit was fun as fuck.

Most people who played WW seemed to enjoy it. Most of its hate was pre-release when people hadn't even seen any footage.

cool breeze · « **Reply #13021 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:04:59 AM »

In general I like all Zelda games equally, except the DS games, and it stands as my favorite game series. That said, Wind Waker is probably the weakest 3D Zelda for why I like Zelda games, but the presentation is top notch. WW has the lowest highs, if that makes sense. Like, the dungeons are the worst out of the 3D games and things like that.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #13022 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:06:58 AM »

At first when I saw this thread thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457744
I was like "gross"

But then I saw this and I laughed: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34042486&postcount=503

Himu · « **Reply #13023 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:19:51 AM »

Zelda 2 still sucks, over 20 years later.

"[my uncle's name], this isn't Castlevania."
"No, it isn't. It's Zelda!"
"No it's not."

Shit game.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #13024 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:20:38 AM »

The only time I've seen anything like a Zelda cycle in effect was with Wind Waker, which people initially scoffed at because of the art style. Those same people bought and enjoyed the game after it came out, of course.

bork · « **Reply #13025 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:26:01 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2012, 11:20:38 AM

The only time I've seen anything like a Zelda cycle in effect was with Wind Waker, which people initially scoffed at because of the art style. Those same people bought and enjoyed the game after it came out, of course.

...And then hated the second half of the game. Which is what I remember a lot of the complaints being about.

Himu · « **Reply #13026 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:26:29 AM »

Remind what part the tri-force hunt is. Because I don't really remember it and I've never replayed WW. Is that the part where you have to assemble random pieces of the triforce to get the master sword?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #13027 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:37:02 AM »

The Tri-Force hunt was a common complaint, yeah, but it was usually "Wind Waker is really good, EXCEPT for that stupid tri-force hunt".

Himu · « **Reply #13028 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:40:36 AM »

what WAS the triforce hunt? If it's what I brought up, I did that in all of 2 minutes, literally, because I filled up my entire map and just warped to the islands.

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on January 06, 2012, 11:40:09 AM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2012, 11:26:29 AM
Remind what part the tri-force hunt is. Because I don't really remember it and I've never replayed WW. Is that the part where you have to assemble random pieces of the triforce to get the master sword?

Yes, and for guys like you that mapped out every inch of the ocean ahead of time, it was Bob's Your Uncle, but for the rest of us who had just been going more or less from point A to point B, the game screeched to a grinding halt for HOURS while we were forced to comb around for shit.

I see!

cool breeze · « **Reply #13029 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:45:06 AM »

even if you explored and completed the map, it's still about ~2 hours minimum. you also can't warp to places directly. there are a few warp points in certain grids around the map you have to sail from and to each time.

brob · « **Reply #13030 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:49:03 AM »

sailing is more fun than fighting in that game so it's cool. Also, the fish is TOTES QUIRKY N CHARMING

cool breeze · « **Reply #13031 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:58:20 AM »

was it final fantasy 10 where you had to dodge hundreds of lightning bolts to get lulu's ultimate weapon? because that was phenomenal design

brob · « **Reply #13032 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:59:56 AM »

maybe myamoto's wife gave him a list of chores to do and he had the idea to make it into a magical video game quest

Isn't that how design decisions work?

Himu · « **Reply #13033 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:00:13 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on January 06, 2012, 11:45:06 AM

even if you explored and completed the map, it's still about ~2 hours minimum. you also can't warp to places directly. there are a few warp points in certain grids around the map you have to sail from and to each time.

I don't even fucking remember, but I remember it being painless, for me at least. But it's understandable if you didn't fill your map out.

Momo · « **Reply #13034 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:01:40 PM »

Confession time. I've never liked a single 3D Zelda. Okay, thats too strong. I have liked some, but they never caught me like 2D Zeldas.

@Oscar, what where you and cxvfreak and DCharlie talking about yesterday? Seemed kinda heated, I had to leave for a meeting before I could properly spy.

Momo · « **Reply #13035 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:03:10 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on January 06, 2012, 11:58:20 AM

was it final fantasy 10 where you had to dodge hundreds of lightning bolts to get lulu's ultimate weapon? because that was phenomenal design

I did that shit on auto pilot while masturbating to bear porn on my second screen.

Fuck that shit was annoying.

Himu · « **Reply #13036 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:05:35 PM »

lightning dodging is nothing compared to chocobo racing

fuck

brob · « **Reply #13037 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:06:19 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34042152&postcount=18979

The Tsar cut him down, but the mind and heart of the proletariat is bountiful indeed.

Himu · « **Reply #13038 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:12:49 PM »

fistful baby

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #13039 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:15:01 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2012, 12:00:13 PM

Quote from: Linkzg on January 06, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
even if you explored and completed the map, it's still about ~2 hours minimum. you also can't warp to places directly. there are a few warp points in certain grids around the map you have to sail from and to each time.

I don't even fucking remember, but I remember it being painless, for me at least. But it's understandable if you didn't fill your map out.

Why are you claiming that WW haters never even played the game, when you played it once eight years ao and don't even remember it?

Zelda 2 is good
Wnd Waker sucks
PH is barely ok
Spirit tracks s an abomination
TP is very good
SS I keep falling asleep

Not a gat track record this decade. I have to as I am near done with this franchise

Himu · « **Reply #13040 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:20:34 PM »

It's mostly because of sales numbers. It's more likely that a large contingent of the people suddenly came around on Wind Waker hadn't played it before, bought it used years later around the time of TP's release, than people who were previously down on WW suddenly changed their minds just cuz TP came out, which is the claim the so-called Zelda cycle makes.

magus · « **Reply #13041 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:30:01 PM »

zelda has always been an average series that we keep talking about only because it's full of stupid rabid fanboy's like earthbound

the worst minigame ever is that stupid butterfly race

truth has been told

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #13042 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:30:41 PM »

You are in no position to make that claim. Is not like wind Waker sold 10 copies. Some three million people made a decision about that game while it was new.

It's more likely to me that current lovers of WW are viewing it with rose colored kawaii glasses and haven't tried to grind through it in the last half decade.

Mature western themed twilight princess created an animu defense force for WW.

Himu · « **Reply #13043 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:32:04 PM »

Majora's Mask sold 3 million, Wind Waker sold 0.742 million.

So yes, I am in a position to make that claim. It is the worst selling 3d Zelda.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #13044 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:33:13 PM »

Still exponentially greater than say, the number of posters in a gaf Zelda thread that is your sample

Himu · « **Reply #13045 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:39:37 PM »

Not really. Ocarina of Time sold 7 million, TP sold 5 million.

If Wind Waker sold 0.742, that's a horrible number.

Meaning, out of gaf - if we're using gaf as a metric and not zelda fans on the internet in general, as the zelda cycle is not inclusive to gaf if you're going to use it as a basis in reality - very few people probably actually bought Wind Waker to begin with. It makes a lot of sense, that most of Wind Waker's praises have come post-release, either from new users, or people who replayed it who are using hyperbole because Wind Waker has kawaii animu "whimsy", contrasted to TP's "dark and muddy" color palette.

So in a way, we're probably both right.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #13046 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:27:13 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2012, 12:32:04 PM

Majora's Mask sold 3 million, Wind Waker sold 0.742 million.

So yes, I am in a position to make that claim. It is the worst selling 3d Zelda.

Himu · « **Reply #13047 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:30:20 PM »

Damn. What are those sales on the Zelda wiki then?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #13048 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:31:00 PM »

I dunno, that was on GAF.

Bebpo · « **Reply #13049 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:34:06 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 06, 2012, 12:15:01 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2012, 12:00:13 PM
Quote from: Linkzg on January 06, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
even if you explored and completed the map, it's still about ~2 hours minimum. you also can't warp to places directly. there are a few warp points in certain grids around the map you have to sail from and to each time.

I don't even fucking remember, but I remember it being painless, for me at least. But it's understandable if you didn't fill your map out.

Why are you claiming that WW haters never even played the game, when you played it once eight years ao and don't even remember it?

Zelda 2 is good
Wnd Waker sucks
PH is barely ok
Spirit tracks s an abomination
TP is very good
SS I keep falling asleep

Not a gat track record this decade. I have to as I am near done with this franchise

I would agree with this but I love Wind Wakers story and Aesthetic too much. I still remember the first time I entered the fire dungeons with cell-shaded flame pillars rising up or floating around with a parachute while leaves blew and I was totally blown away. The King and Ganon are the only two characters I've ever cared about in a Zelda game. And the ending was horribly depressing and violent (I still don't know how they got away with impaling an old sad man with a sword in his head in a game with a cheerful kiddy aesthetic like WW).

In retrospect, the sailing was terribly boring, the tri-force hunt was filler padding boring, there were barely any dungeons and the game was ridiculously easy.

Still love it. Will never replay it though.

Tasty · « **Reply #13050 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:54:42 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

Also, if the Zelda cycle were true, people would like Zelda 2. On the contrary, it's still regarded as a black sheep in the series.

I've been seeing a lot of Zelda 2 love lately actually. Especially in regards to "that's how the series should be like/it was Dark Souls for the NES."

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #13051 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:54:46 PM »

So WW did sell three million plus. Kthx

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #13052 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:56:18 PM »

lol at thinking WW sold less than a million, jesus christ

Tasty · « **Reply #13053 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:02:56 PM »

Zelda series seems to alternate between good non-dungeon-stuff but crap-for-dungeons (either in count or in content) and the inverse. That's sort of why SS sounded like the perfect game, combining WW and TP's best aspects.

TBH SS is getting hate now but I don't think, so far, after four dungeons, that any other console entry is particularly head and shoulders above it. It does good non-dungeon content (much better than TP), it has some good dungeons (much better than WW.) Short of a Triforce piece hunt at the end I don't get the hate.

I don't really believe in the Zelda Cycle as it does seem absurd to lump everyone in with eachother, but I'll be keeping a close eye on the general consensus of SS to see how things shake out in the next years.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #13054 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:14:40 PM »

Did anyone really complain that "Twilight Princess just wasn't as good as Wind Waker"?

Himu · « **Reply #13055 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:28:47 PM »

Quote from: Andrex on January 06, 2012, 01:54:42 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2012, 10:39:21 AM
Also, if the Zelda cycle were true, people would like Zelda 2. On the contrary, it's still regarded as a black sheep in the series.

I've been seeing a lot of Zelda 2 love lately actually. Especially in regards to "that's how the series should be like/it was Dark Souls for the NES."

Mupepe · « **Reply #13056 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:48:32 PM »

Jesus. It's like this thread switches between bitching about GAF to bitching about Zelda. What the fuck is the obsession with Zelda in this fucking thread?

Robo · « **Reply #13057 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on January 06, 2012, 02:48:32 PM

Jesus. It's like this thread switches between bitching about GAF to bitching about Zelda. What the fuck is the obsession with Zelda in this fucking thread?

Children are expected to alternate between crying and arguing over toys.

Chinner · « **Reply #13058 on:** January 06, 2012, 03:34:09 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on January 06, 2012, 02:48:32 PM

Jesus. It's like this thread switches between bitching about GAF to bitching about Zelda. What the fuck is the obsession with Zelda in this fucking thread?

this thread is where people intimate neogaf with equally bad posts!!!!

cool breeze · « **Reply #13059 on:** January 06, 2012, 03:39:46 PM »

so how about those official threads

Mupepe · « **Reply #13060 on:** January 06, 2012, 03:40:23 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #13061 on:** January 06, 2012, 03:53:38 PM »

Quote from: Chinner on January 06, 2012, 03:34:09 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on January 06, 2012, 02:48:32 PM
Jesus. It's like this thread switches between bitching about GAF to bitching about Zelda. What the fuck is the obsession with Zelda in this fucking thread?
this thread is where people intimate neogaf with equally bad posts!!!!

zelda 2 fan

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #13062 on:** January 06, 2012, 04:29:01 PM »

The series lost its sense of exploration to me a long time ago. Its hard to feel excited about finding the same basic tools and objects over and over again in new scenarios. But I think this brings up the argument that Zelda really isn't for you and me but for those kids that are having their NES Zelda experiences, and OoT etc. I never got the same feeling I got from the 2D Zeldas from the 3D ones.

I also haven't bought a Nintendo console since the Gamecube and even then the only Nintendo game I bought was Wind Waker. Nothing since has compelled me to buy one, even the WiiU.

Broseidon · « **Reply #13063 on:** January 06, 2012, 04:29:02 PM »

Never played a Zelda game

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #13064 on:** January 06, 2012, 04:56:53 PM »

I like zelda games

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #13065 on:** January 06, 2012, 05:19:36 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 06, 2012, 04:29:01 PM

The series lost its sense of exploration to me a long time ago. Its hard to feel excited about finding the same basic tools and objects over and over again in new scenarios. But I think this brings up the argument that Zelda really isn't for you and me but for those kids that are having their NES Zelda experiences, and OoT etc. I never got the same feeling I got from the 2D Zeldas from the 3D ones.

I also haven't bought a Nintendo console since the Gamecube and even then the only Nintendo game I bought was Wind Waker. Nothing since has compelled me to buy one, even the WiiU.

This is pretty much the way I feel about all Nintendo franchises. The first Zelda I played was Ocarina of Time ( I was gaming on the ST and Amiga instead of nes and snes) and I thought it was Brilliant. Then you keep on with the franchise and it feels too similar. Same with something like Mario Kart where I loved the original but I have no interest in the franchise any more. I think Nintendo works because they produce good software but also because they are always selling to the next generation of kids who are having their first experiencing with these franchises. If I had kids I'm sure I would like Nintendo a lot more but I don't and Nintendo isn't really for my tastes anymore. Not that there is anything wrong with what they are doing. I do like the Mario Franchise quite a bit as I think they mix that one up a bit more but not enough to actually buy Nintendo systems. The Wii was the end of the line for me and Nintendo.

Narag · « **Reply #13066 on:** January 06, 2012, 05:49:13 PM »

I thought I was in the wrong thread.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #13067 on:** January 06, 2012, 05:52:43 PM »

Quote from: Narag on January 06, 2012, 05:49:13 PM

I thought I was in the wrong thread.

No matter what you were looking for, this is always the wrong thread.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #13068 on:** January 06, 2012, 06:16:13 PM »

Quote from: Brobzoid on January 06, 2012, 12:06:19 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34042152&postcount=18979

The Tsar cut him down, but the mind and heart of the proletariat is bountiful indeed.

thanks for that. every time i am able to take part in their TNT I tend to get mentioned

and it adds to my profile views on GB as well

Himu · « **Reply #13069 on:** January 06, 2012, 06:36:13 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 06, 2012, 04:29:01 PM

The series lost its sense of exploration to me a long time ago. Its hard to feel excited about finding the same basic tools and objects over and over again in new scenarios. But I think this brings up the argument that Zelda really isn't for you and me but for those kids that are having their NES Zelda experiences, and OoT etc. I never got the same feeling I got from the 2D Zeldas from the 3D ones.

I also haven't bought a Nintendo console since the Gamecube and even then the only Nintendo game I bought was Wind Waker. Nothing since has compelled me to buy one, even the WiiU.

Yeah, I get more excited about Bethesda games than Zelda games these days. Hell, Skyrim is my new Zelda.

Tasty · « **Reply #13070 on:** January 06, 2012, 06:49:19 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2012, 02:14:40 PM

Did anyone really complain that "Twilight Princess just wasn't as good as Wind Waker"?

Oh yeah, big time. And to be fair TP is far from perfect, so in order to support their argument WW>TP-ists exaggerated them and sort of ignored the problems with Wind Waker (usually instead focusing on WW's "charm" aka whimsy.)

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 06, 2012, 04:17:42 PM

I have no inclination to play a Zelda game these days. OOT was amazing at the time, but it's not like Mario where the core mechanics were already basically as good as it could get. The core mechanics in 1998 seemed awesome, but other developers have shown that there was a lot of room for advancement in the genre, and Zelda hasn't come close to keeping up.

What "genre?" Zelda is really in a class of its own. The games take elements from a bunch of different genres, and I think that's sort of the problem with the series. It's too many different things to too many different people. A lot of people like the open adventure aspect. Some people like the "adventure gamey" aspect of talking to people and doing seemingly inane things. Some people like the dungeons and puzzles. Others like the story. Some may even like Zelda's brand of action and combat.

It's telling the only two Zelda competitors have really been Okami and Darksiders. Everything else is way different from what Zelda has always been, which is why I always roll my eyes when people say "Zelda is X" or "Zelda should be more like X" or "the first Zelda was clearly the X of its time and the series has drifted too far from that."

cool breeze · « **Reply #13071 on:** January 06, 2012, 06:57:00 PM »

getting back on topic, that real pic trend seems to have taken over gaf ot

Tasty · « **Reply #13072 on:** January 06, 2012, 07:09:35 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on January 06, 2012, 06:57:00 PM

getting back on topic, that real pic trend seems to have taken over gaf ot

I don't follow avatar memes, I make them.

Tasty · « **Reply #13073 on:** January 06, 2012, 07:16:49 PM »

Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on January 06, 2012, 07:12:55 PM

Quote from: Andrex on January 06, 2012, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: Linkzg on January 06, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
getting back on topic, that real pic trend seems to have taken over gaf ot

I don't follow avatar memes, I make them.

Pokemon is a glorified meme.

Nah dude, I made the pink hair one.

archie4208 · « **Reply #13074 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:08:10 PM »

Oh man, the console warriors are already taking up their banners and the new systems won't be revealed for several months. Good times.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #13075 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:16:52 PM »

Quote from: archie4208 on January 06, 2012, 08:08:10 PM

Oh man, the console warriors are already taking up their banners and the new systems won't be revealed for several months. Good times.

The drumbeat and call can be heard from far off, rhythmic and entrancing...

... ... ... nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

NERDS!

[close]

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #13076 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:23:10 PM »

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34058876&postcount=12051

I didn't make the Real Avatar collage but BrandNew, PD, Glen and Yazeed did... and some fucking Federman look alike! Its... its like High School all over again... t.. time to listen to some music...

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #13077 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:52:23 PM »

Not only am I in the official GAF year book, I'm on the top side

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #13078 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:54:13 PM »

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #13079 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:55:29 PM »

congrats on being in a collage of lonely losers on the internet

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Author Topic: The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread (Read 6310039 times)