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« Reply #19980 on: April 27, 2012, 05:00:24 AM »
Just woke up to see that thread. Nintendo fans semi tearful meltdowns at the very idea that anyone could 'copy' SSB.

The good news is it should keep the especially loony Sony and Nintendo fans busy fighting between themselves for months.

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« Reply #19981 on: April 27, 2012, 05:05:27 AM »
Just woke up to see that thread. Nintendo fans semi tearful meltdowns at the very idea that anyone could 'copy' SSB.

The good news is it should keep the especially loony Sony and Nintendo fans busy fighting between themselves for months.

Equally bad are the snaggots that are in there arguing that since CTR was better than Mario Kart therefore this has potential to be better than Smash Bros.
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« Reply #19982 on: April 27, 2012, 05:48:43 AM »
CTR is overrated

but so is about every Sony game


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« Reply #19983 on: April 27, 2012, 05:50:42 AM »
Just woke up to see that thread. Nintendo fans semi tearful meltdowns at the very idea that anyone could 'copy' SSB.

As I mentioned in the gaf thread, I'm sorta surprised at the reaction by the N-fans. You'd think Sakurai and the crew at Nintendo would be flattered at such a thing.

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« Reply #19984 on: April 27, 2012, 05:55:51 AM »
I don't understand the cause for alarm. It's not the first time that someone has tried to copy SSB.

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« Reply #19985 on: April 27, 2012, 06:21:53 AM »
CTR is overrated

but so is about every Sony game

It was definitely better than what Nintendo was shitting out at the time (MK64), and better than most MK games - but Nintendo has bettered it since and is is also a pretty shameless clone.
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« Reply #19986 on: April 27, 2012, 07:59:10 AM »
CTR was the best Mario Kart game out there until MKDS...and was still better than Mario Kart Wii.
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« Reply #19987 on: April 27, 2012, 07:59:54 AM »
Guys, what would you say if I never build a rocket?
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Momo

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« Reply #19988 on: April 27, 2012, 08:19:32 AM »
CTR was my favorite cart racer. Enjoying Sonic and SEGA all star atm.

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« Reply #19989 on: April 27, 2012, 08:44:44 AM »
Just woke up to see that thread. Nintendo fans semi tearful meltdowns at the very idea that anyone could 'copy' SSB.

As I mentioned in the gaf thread, I'm sorta surprised at the reaction by the N-fans. You'd think Sakurai and the crew at Nintendo would be flattered at such a thing.

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

the ntards reactions are super lulzy
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Tasty

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« Reply #19990 on: April 27, 2012, 08:53:46 AM »
Nintards get really, really pissy when Sony copies something Nintendo did.  Far more pissy than they get at anyone else.

It's true. Don't know why. Just in our DNA.

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« Reply #19991 on: April 27, 2012, 09:01:32 AM »
about how much you don't give a shit.

jesus, I never noticed how fucking annoying you are before you came here.
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« Reply #19992 on: April 27, 2012, 09:03:09 AM »
It's baffling.  This was easy money for fanboys - perfect example of the crap Nintrndo fans always say Sony does.  All they had to do was point and laugh.  Instead - anger and tears, wounded passive-aggressive nitpickery.  Total idiocy.
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« Reply #19993 on: April 27, 2012, 09:04:43 AM »
oscar the grouch how seriously do you take video games? one being not seriously at all, ten being voluntarily not visiting an internet site about video games because you had a meltdown there about donkey kong

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« Reply #19994 on: April 27, 2012, 09:12:54 AM »
Nintards get really, really pissy when Sony copies something Nintendo did.  Far more pissy than they get at anyone else.

It's true. Don't know why. Just in our DNA.

For many nintards I've seen the "Nintendo made SCE happen! bu bu Krazy Ken cut his teeth on the SNES soundchip and the PSX was just the SNES CD!" thing as a likely cause
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« Reply #19995 on: April 27, 2012, 09:14:20 AM »
CTR is superb. Very competent rip-off, and better than it's contemporary Mario Kart. If Sony Smash Bros can be half of what CTR was I will be overwhelmed.

Didn't look like they copied the % damage system though, which is a shame.
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« Reply #19996 on: April 27, 2012, 09:35:48 AM »
melee is one of the best games nintendo has made. KA-BLAOW


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« Reply #19997 on: April 27, 2012, 09:41:05 AM »
Smash Bros has excellent core gameplay on a mechanical level.  I don't like a lot of shit about it, but it's not a turd at all.
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Tasty

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« Reply #19998 on: April 27, 2012, 09:41:28 AM »
Nintendo laid a turd that is popular with people

Sony have siddled up to said turd, laid their own, and now all we are doing is debating whether it has more or less nuts in it.

Either way, they're both turds.

Yeah, you have no taste. Go back in the corner and play MH4 Wii U or whatever made up junk you keep teasing. ::)

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« Reply #19999 on: April 27, 2012, 09:42:35 AM »
have you tried playing with the c-stick?

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« Reply #20000 on: April 27, 2012, 09:46:35 AM »
Yeah, I know there's a divide out there in regards to whether or not Smash Bros. is a legitimately good game aided by the nostalgia or a shallow fighter masked by nostalgia and zany items, but given the amount of time I spent playing Melee, I'm in the former camp. I don't care enough to fight for its honor or anything, but I spent far too many hours having a blast with Melee to concede that only undying love for Nintendo would lead one to believe that its great -- particularly since I'm not a diehard Nintendo fan.

As for the Sony clone, I don't know. Even if it's good, I don't think Sony has that history to pull from to have that same appeal. As previously mentioned, I'd be lying if I pretended that a lifetime of playing those mascot games didn't add to the appeal of the game. "Awesome! Link vs. Mario with the classic Zelda theme blaring in the background with callbacks to Ocarina of Time!" Those kinds of touches are littered everywhere. I don't know if Kratos vs. Parappa evokes the same reaction.

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« Reply #20001 on: April 27, 2012, 09:49:25 AM »
you do know.

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« Reply #20002 on: April 27, 2012, 09:51:42 AM »
melee could be all Gust characters and I still wouldn't give a fuck. game is too good.

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« Reply #20003 on: April 27, 2012, 09:51:46 AM »
:lol
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Tasty

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« Reply #20004 on: April 27, 2012, 09:52:36 AM »
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Yeah, you have no taste. Go back in the corner and play MH4 Wii U or whatever made up junk you keep teasing

You'll have my awesome tastes soon now that the Wii U will be your gateway to all the great game franchises of the last 5-6 years. I'm thrilled for you - it's going to be like an awesome age of discovery finding out how online gaming works, friend lists and social aspects.

It almost makes me jealous that you've got that awesome period of wonder and fun ahead of you. Enjoy!

....can't tell if trolling or not....

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« Reply #20005 on: April 27, 2012, 10:12:02 AM »
melee is one of the best games nintendo has made. KA-BLAOW

Melee :bow2

Brawl :piss2

Tasty

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« Reply #20006 on: April 27, 2012, 10:13:17 AM »
I liked Brawl. :( Only bad part was online and tripping.

Toon Link >>>> Young Link

Brawl Luigi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melee Luigi

:bow Dedede :bow2

Momo

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« Reply #20007 on: April 27, 2012, 10:14:28 AM »

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« Reply #20008 on: April 27, 2012, 10:16:10 AM »
You can't say you hate another person's favorite mega corporation.
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brob

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« Reply #20009 on: April 27, 2012, 10:18:53 AM »
I liked Brawl. :( Only bad part was online and tripping.

Toon Link >>>> Young Link

Brawl Luigi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melee Luigi

:bow Dedede :bow2

Brawl has too much stuff in it designed to lessen the skill gap between veteran and new players. It's difficult to enjoy beyond casual romping. Which is why on the internet, where people who have no social skills and spend their time digging deep in the various video games their mothers' slim budget can afford, the game seems generally disliked. I am sure most people who bought it were happy with it.

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« Reply #20010 on: April 27, 2012, 10:29:42 AM »
I dunno, if I went into a Zelda thread and said "I fucking hate Nintendo, scum of the fucking universe" I bet I would get banned.

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« Reply #20011 on: April 27, 2012, 10:34:52 AM »
Yeah, its basically the same thing the more Ntard did in a Sony thread.

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Tasty

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« Reply #20012 on: April 27, 2012, 10:35:52 AM »
I liked Brawl. :( Only bad part was online and tripping.

Toon Link >>>> Young Link

Brawl Luigi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melee Luigi

:bow Dedede :bow2

Brawl has too much stuff in it designed to lessen the skill gap between veteran and new players. It's difficult to enjoy beyond casual romping. Which is why on the internet, where people who have no social skills and spend their time digging deep in the various video games their mothers' slim budget can afford, the game seems generally disliked. I am sure most people who bought it were happy with it.

Eh if you're a skilled player you'll beat an unskilled player every time, even with items. That's good enough for me.

brob

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« Reply #20013 on: April 27, 2012, 10:39:36 AM »
because you are a casual romping rump. Ivory basement motherfuckers like myself demand more from our vidya.

Tasty

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« Reply #20014 on: April 27, 2012, 10:40:29 AM »
I resent that, I was pretty hardcore into Brawl for a while there. :maf

Takao

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« Reply #20015 on: April 27, 2012, 10:48:54 AM »
I played the awful story mode for Brawl marathon like and got all the characters in one day. Afterwards I played the game like maybe twice.

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« Reply #20016 on: April 27, 2012, 10:57:45 AM »
I really didn't play enough of Brawl to nitpick the changes. I wanted to like it, but part of me just didn't think it improved enough, and part of it was just that I was in a different spot in my life multiplayer gaming wise. Melee holds a place in my heart of hearts because it spent a solid 12 - 18 months as our go-to game during a period where some friends and I gamed regularly. Nowadays, I don't really play much in the way of multiplayer. Any in person gaming I do get in is usually of the board and card game variety, which has become increasingly rare.

Still, I probably didn't give Brawl a fair shake. Sure, I wasn't hanging around in person with my old Melee buddies as often as we did in college, but there was still that amazing online mode there as a substitute.

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« Reply #20017 on: April 27, 2012, 11:04:31 AM »
So that NeoGAF, eh?
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Momo

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« Reply #20018 on: April 27, 2012, 11:18:10 AM »
I saw NeoGAF wearing the most hideous outfit, someone get that sista a makeover

Takao

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« Reply #20019 on: April 27, 2012, 11:55:11 AM »
LISTEN HERE ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!! SONY IS DESTROYING ORIGINALITY IN VIDEO GAMES!!!

IF YOU BUY THIS GAME YOU ARE A WORTHLESS CUNT WHO MUST DIE!!! SMASH BROTHERS SHOULD BE THE ONLY FOUR PLAYER CROSSOVER FIGHTING GAME IN EXISTENCE!

THIS IS SUCH A DISGRACE!!! DEATH TO SONY!!! UP WITH ORIGINALITY!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO­!!!!

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Bebpo

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« Reply #20020 on: April 27, 2012, 11:55:39 AM »
First real trailer of a (multi-platform) Wii-U game crashes gaf.  Getting 500 server error.

Game is Rayman Legends fyi.  Looks nice.

Tasty

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« Reply #20021 on: April 27, 2012, 11:55:55 AM »
You guys take Nfans way too seriously. :lol

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« Reply #20022 on: April 27, 2012, 11:56:53 AM »
Oh and Stump is fricking awesome, commuted my ban to just a week.

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« Reply #20023 on: April 27, 2012, 11:57:59 AM »
Can some one let Nintendo fans know that every time they post shots of Xenoblade running under Dolphin as some sort of "point" in the "Kitten punch" thread that they are proving the point they are trying to disagree with

"Hey look - this game looks awesome upscaled and filtered running on more powerful hardware and not the actual platform in question! take *THAT* argument-that-some-Wii-games-could-do-with-better-graphics!"

Does the game look like that on the hardware it was made for? No? You have to run it on something more expensive to make it look like that?

I'm not really sure what their point is with the Dolphin screenshots. All it does it reveal how underpowered the Wii is.
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« Reply #20024 on: April 27, 2012, 12:04:08 PM »
You guys take Nfans way too seriously. :lol

Well they have overrun gaf once again.  Makes gaf more unreadable than it already was.  They kind of went into hiding or got banned a few years ago, but they've come back in hordes lately biting at every bit of Nintendo news.


Though the fact that places like gamefaqs and gaf tend to be 70% Nintendo fanboys makes me think that in general gaming fanboys irl tend to be those who grew up on Nintendo systems and are Nintendo fans.  I see a loooot of tri-force tattoos irl on random people.  Not so many Master Chief or Kratos ones.

Takao

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« Reply #20025 on: April 27, 2012, 12:12:34 PM »
Nintendo fans should be heppy. I'm heppy their franchise means a return of this beast:


Himu

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« Reply #20026 on: April 27, 2012, 12:18:40 PM »
CTR is overrated

but so is about every Sony game

:wtf

Sony massacred Nintendo as a developer and publisher in the psx and ps2 days. Intelligent Qube, Parapper/Lammy/Vib Ribbon, Crash 2, Jak trilogy, Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando;etc

They were full of creativity. I'd like to see Nintendo make a horror game like Rule of Rose or Siren.
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« Reply #20027 on: April 27, 2012, 12:19:02 PM »
ur lying charlie! I saw a NES in my youth. even played, like, an hour of turtles on it.

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« Reply #20028 on: April 27, 2012, 12:22:33 PM »
They were full of creativity. I'd like to see Nintendo make a horror game like Rule of Rose or Siren.

I think you're forgetting a little gem called Luigi's Mansion, Himu. I could only play that game during the daytime.

Takao

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« Reply #20029 on: April 27, 2012, 12:23:02 PM »
Do you guys think Activision will allow Sony to take Crash out of the grave for this game? Activsion hasn't used him in years, and I'd much rather have him than Spyro since Activision would probably insist on the beaten with an ugly stick Spyro.

Himu

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« Reply #20030 on: April 27, 2012, 12:23:49 PM »
Sony NOT buying Crash and Spyro was one of the most distinguished mentally-challenged things ever.
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« Reply #20031 on: April 27, 2012, 12:25:48 PM »
Nintards get really, really pissy when Sony copies something Nintendo did.  Far more pissy than they get at anyone else.

yea its pretty hilarious.

As for the discussion it funny both sides just cant acknowledge certain things and instead its become the usual cocksuck my game since it on my system of choice while shitting on the other game in the same breath.


Plus fuck brawl, melee is where its at.



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Tasty

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« Reply #20032 on: April 27, 2012, 12:26:00 PM »
CTR is overrated

but so is about every Sony game

:wtf

Sony massacred Nintendo as a developer and publisher in the psx and ps2 days. Intelligent Qube, Parapper/Lammy/Vib Ribbon, Crash 2, Jak trilogy, Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando;etc

They were full of creativity. I'd like to see Nintendo make a horror game like Rule of Rose or Siren.

Eternal Darkness?

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« Reply #20033 on: April 27, 2012, 12:27:10 PM »
yeah, it's what you grew up with - i don't have Nintendo has a childhood frame of reference because, as a filthy Euro, we were all about the old pre-Jamma arcades, ZX81s, spectrums, C64 etc - Nintendo didn't happen until the SNES.

So i'm disconnected from people like the 8-4 guys who have a habit of equating games that Nintendo had nothing to do with with their games.

Mario 3 was huge so how the hell did the nes pass you by? Was it only popular with us primary school kids?

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« Reply #20034 on: April 27, 2012, 12:30:05 PM »
Do you guys think Activision will allow Sony to take Crash out of the grave for this game? Activsion hasn't used him in years, and I'd much rather have him than Spyro since Activision would probably insist on the beaten with an ugly stick Spyro.


given they want 3rd party characters and he has been trash ever since i could see Acti possibly doing it to at least get some money from his ass.

Spyro might be different since he's actually popular again (unless they do some weird PS All Stars/Skylanders mash up)

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« Reply #20035 on: April 27, 2012, 12:32:04 PM »
Would you really consider Spyro popular? I don't think he's even in the Skylanders sequel, is he? It felt more like a Rayman Raving Rabbids situation.

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« Reply #20036 on: April 27, 2012, 12:32:46 PM »
CTR is overrated

but so is about every Sony game

:wtf

Sony massacred Nintendo as a developer and publisher in the psx and ps2 days. Intelligent Qube, Parapper/Lammy/Vib Ribbon, Crash 2, Jak trilogy, Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando;etc

They were full of creativity. I'd like to see Nintendo make a horror game like Rule of Rose or Siren.

Eternal Darkness?

Fair point.

I want a return of Nintendo that would make more diverse subject matter and genres in their games, games like Famicom Detective Club.

They were full of creativity. I'd like to see Nintendo make a horror game like Rule of Rose or Siren.

I think you're forgetting a little gem called Luigi's Mansion, Himu. I could only play that game during the daytime.

I forgot LM.
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« Reply #20037 on: April 27, 2012, 12:35:50 PM »
Well the ED2 rumors are pretty damn strong right now, and LM2 is coming out... probably... eventually...

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« Reply #20038 on: April 27, 2012, 12:37:22 PM »
CTR is overrated

but so is about every Sony game

:wtf

Sony massacred Nintendo as a developer and publisher in the psx and ps2 days. Intelligent Qube, Parapper/Lammy/Vib Ribbon, Crash 2, Jak trilogy, Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando;etc

They were full of creativity. I'd like to see Nintendo make a horror game like Rule of Rose or Siren.

Just so we're clear on this, Nana-On Sha, Imsomniac, and Punchline aren't Sony companies.
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« Reply #20039 on: April 27, 2012, 12:37:23 PM »
Comparing Luigi's Mansion to Siren and Rule of Rose is a bit of a stretch.
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