Author Topic: 3DS Discussion Thread (Read 164207 times)

magus · « **Reply #301 on:** June 17, 2011, 06:43:55 PM »

to be fair i always thought the bit about getting the lens of the truth was always a bit obtuse

GO TO THE TOWN AND THEN DROP YOURSELF INSIDE THE WELL FOR NO REASON

iconoclast · « **Reply #302 on:** June 17, 2011, 07:04:22 PM »

Quote from: Oblivion on June 17, 2011, 06:11:56 PM

From Gamesradar:

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In 1998, Ocarina was groundbreaking. The size of the world, the number of areas to explore, the scope of the time-traveling story that sees Link change from child to adult and takes him from volcanoes to dungeons to haunted dungeons… it was all unprecedented for a console game. To have such a robust, engrossing experience and have it be the first 3D iteration of The Legend of Zelda was nothing less than mind-blowing. To this day, millions will parade it as the best game of all time.

Like it or not, that’s simply not the case today. Ocarina is particularly bad about dropping excessively vague hints (or no hints at all) as to what to do next. There are a handful of extremely important items (say, the Fire Arrows, Lens of Truth or even Epona) that are buried under a layer of riddles that don’t quite add up. Back in the day, we expected games to be mysterious and obtuse; today, we’re all accustomed to mechanics that lead us from one place to the next, even if it’s on an almost subconscious level. This isn’t about hand-holding or over-tutorializing, which is a whole other problem with games today – it’s about fundamental design, and Ocarina has always had this issue, especially compared to Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.

What a strange complaint.

http://www.gamesradar.com/3ds/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/review/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d-review/a-20110616202423556029/g-2010061610502183083/p-2

More proof that mainstream reviewers are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and that no one should pay them any attention ever.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #303 on:** June 17, 2011, 07:38:19 PM »

game in 2011 not as good as it was in 1998

"best game of all time" secretly "...so far"

gamesradar spitting mad fire, offending nintards

Barry Egan · « **Reply #304 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:31:20 PM »

Nintendo's marketing for the zelda remake is: Robin Williams endorses this product? Is there a whole series of these in the works? Maybe Steve Gutenberg will come out of retirement and endorse the Wiiuuu.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #305 on:** June 18, 2011, 04:44:52 AM »

don't fuck with the Gute. Dude was fucking ballin' in Party Down.

SantaC · « **Reply #306 on:** June 18, 2011, 05:57:44 AM »

Quote from: Borys on June 18, 2011, 05:37:06 AM

Wow, gamers nowadays are true pussies.

I remember drawing around 16 32x32 maps for Might & Magic I or mapping all the Ishar islands in my notebook.

There was no internet back then, no GameFAQs, hell no printers.

Fuck you modern gaming, fuck you.

tru dat. Also there was no handholding in Zelda 1, oh how the might has fallen.

magus · « **Reply #307 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:44:52 AM »

you know every review i've seen of this remake just talk about how magicaly awesome is this game and that "IT'S A CLASSIC!" but not a single review seems to bother to explains why it's so....

and this is really what ticks me off,one can says that metal gear has too many cutscene,one can say that FF7 has a gay villain that is nothing compared to the almighty kefka but ocarina? ocarina it's perfect magical rainbow sunshines!

iconoclast · « **Reply #308 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:47:27 AM »

Nintendo makes whimsical magical games with lots of heart and soul man. You don't need to know why they are good, they are just good because Nintendo.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #309 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:18:31 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2011, 02:44:35 PM

But I can easily remember the periods when Nintendo was as cutting edge as any devs out there. They were on the forefront.

The open world of Zelda OOT and the amount of stuff in it was unique in its day on consoles, it was a revolution. They were really pushing the enveloppe back then in so many areas it's crazy. I don't think they will ever be able to go there again as they have simply let this path go since Zelda 64, 13 years ago. There would be too much catch up.

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on June 17, 2011, 07:38:19 PM

game in 2011 not as good as it was in 1998

"best game of all time" secretly "...so far"

gamesradar spitting mad fire, offending nintards

MCD · « **Reply #310 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:31:27 AM »

Ocarina of Time rocks or rather, rocked.

I am not sure how it holds up this day, will buy a 3DS one day and see for myself.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #311 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:48:23 AM »

My feelings exactly. I doubt it could immerse me as it did in 1998, when I was completely obsessed by it.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #312 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:52:42 AM »

I watched the quick look and got a boner. I have not played it in a very long time.

Any gift card bundles or sales on 3DS?

cool breeze · « **Reply #313 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:34:05 AM »

zelda oot is still incredible. still my favorite game and all. it's just not the best game ever if you really want to break it down, and while twilight princess and wind waker aped a lot from it, they did things better. if I played twilight princess when I was in primary school, my opinion would probably changed.

I'm excited to pick this up tomorrow

magus · « **Reply #314 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:45:30 AM »

personaly i think it's a good game but i don't think i'll ever stop saying that it has to be the most overrated videogame ever,the music inside dungeons is incredibly dull no matter how many times somebody links me to gerudo valley,most of the puzzles are so paint-by-the-numbers i'm not even sure i should use the word puzzle and the whole game is so banal

"GO GET THE 6 ELEMENTAL MCGUFFINS!"

the oracle games are better than this!

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #315 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:56:30 AM »

They are paint by the numbers nowadays, but back then they were cool.

Water Temple

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #316 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:02:38 AM »

I think I am gonna find my old N64 Zelda and play through that instead on the original bitchin awesome hardware

magus · « **Reply #317 on:** June 18, 2011, 12:07:01 PM »

you should have seen the rage on this man when ign gave 9.something to jak and dexter 2

bork · « **Reply #318 on:** June 18, 2011, 12:51:48 PM »

Quote from: Wrath2X on June 18, 2011, 12:29:20 PM

I never really got the whole 2D Zelda > 3D Zelda thing, I feel like in 3D Zelda realized much more of its aspirations than in 2D and there's a lot more potential in 3D for the series.

Nothing will ever beat A Link To The Past and Link's Awakening in my book. I'd rather play those two than any other Zelda game.

I plan on buying Ocarina tomorrow though. I never played much of it on N64 and will give it another shot.

demi · « **Reply #319 on:** June 18, 2011, 01:54:22 PM »

Someone hook me up with the club nintendo code please.

Oblivion · « **Reply #320 on:** June 18, 2011, 05:58:18 PM »

Quote from: magus on June 18, 2011, 10:45:30 AM

personaly i think it's a good game but i don't think i'll ever stop saying that it has to be the most overrated videogame ever,the music inside dungeons is incredibly dull no matter how many times somebody links me to gerudo valley,most of the puzzles are so paint-by-the-numbers i'm not even sure i should use the word puzzle and the whole game is so banal

"GO GET THE 6 ELEMENTAL MCGUFFINS!"

the oracle games are better than this!

I loves me some OoT (it along with LttP are my favorite Zeldas), but even I'm a little surprised at its 'best game ever' status. I do think it's only fair to point out that even at the time it seemed to have flaws that would be at least somewhat significant enough to disqualify it from gaining that title.

Having said that, it being in the top 10 would be more acceptable, and it being the best 3D Zelda is more reasonable. It has a great amount of dungeons with some excellent level design, a cohesive, organic world, an acceptable amount of (useful) side quests, a great soundtrack (despite shitty N64 midi), and the least amount of useless filler in the main quest. Unless you're a story cigarillo, there's not much the other Zeldas have on OoT.

Quote from: dcharlie on June 18, 2011, 05:39:06 PM

Playing now, i'm enjoying it - the 3D is actually pretty good too :O

Why do you have a 3DS?

magus · « **Reply #321 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:05:33 PM »

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WOW @ the poor people here who think OoT is overrated. If you fail to recognize OoT as a masterpiece, you have my sympathies.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #322 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:16:16 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 18, 2011, 12:04:42 PM

I don't know if it's the most overrated game ever. It's pretty overrated, but it's also a really phenomenal game. It's kind of like Chrono Trigger in that way. Better to save that title for shit that was never that great to begin with, like the first Uncharted.

God, don't even get me STARTED on Chrono Trigger. I replayed it on the DS and finally made my peace with it, but yeah. It's the 8.9iest 10.0 that ever was

magus · « **Reply #323 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:18:27 PM »

i'm curious to hear your opinion about chrono trigger tough i'm not sure you want to tell it to someone nicknamed magus $:-\$

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #324 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:19:42 PM »

as Oscar implied, I think it is a very very good RPG that is too often held up as the greatest RPG of all time

at least it's better than FFVI

demi · « **Reply #325 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:21:41 PM »

Knight and Baby > Chrono Trigger

Oblivion · « **Reply #326 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:24:20 PM »

Are you gonna try OoT 3DS patel?

magus · « **Reply #327 on:** June 18, 2011, 07:28:35 PM »

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at least it's better than FFVI

many rpg are better than FFVI

The Sceneman · « **Reply #328 on:** June 18, 2011, 08:41:27 PM »

OoT is awful, I never understood the love for it

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #329 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:42:02 PM »

Target is doing buy Zelda, get 3DS game half off. What is another good 3DS game?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #330 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:44:52 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 18, 2011, 10:42:02 PM

Target is doing buy Zelda, get 3DS game half off. What is another good 3DS game?

Here's a list of good 3DS games:

Bebpo · « **Reply #331 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:47:00 PM »

demi · « **Reply #332 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:47:53 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 18, 2011, 10:42:02 PM

Target is doing buy Zelda, get 3DS game half off. What is another good 3DS game?

Ghost Recon, my nicca

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #333 on:** June 18, 2011, 10:54:14 PM »

That's what I was thinking

Himu · « **Reply #334 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:16:20 PM »

3d zelda > 2d zelda any day of the week

ocarina is one of the most influential games of all time. after it came out everyone started looking after it for ideas, particularly when devs were just getting used to 3d game development.

game has masterful game design, particularly in the late dungeons.

Whatever your feelings on the game doesn't take away from the impact it had on the industry and the future of game development. People concentrating on ______rated are idiots, anyways, especially with genuinely influential games like Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Even as a Mario 64 hater, I think that game sure as fuck deserves a good amount of the praise it gets, so why do people who don't like OoT much have to go on and on about how it's "overrated"?

You want a truly overrated game, try something that's mediocre and is propelled as genius incarnate like Killzone 2 or as Oscar said, Uncharted 1.

The majority of OoT detractors come off as attention starved contrarians. People don't and won't ever agree with everything, but if your sole argument is that the game is overrated and you're really only doing so due to the sheer amount of love the game has, you're a flat out tool.

And on that note, Chrono Trigger probably is another game that has similar treatment. Maybe we CT love it a bit TOO much, I don't know, but I'd say the MAJORITY of the accolades thrown at CT are well deserved.

Himu · « **Reply #335 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:21:02 PM »

Quote from: magus on June 18, 2011, 10:45:30 AM

personaly i think it's a good game but i don't think i'll ever stop saying that it has to be the most overrated videogame ever,the music inside dungeons is incredibly dull no matter how many times somebody links me to gerudo valley,most of the puzzles are so paint-by-the-numbers i'm not even sure i should use the word puzzle and the whole game is so banal

"GO GET THE 6 ELEMENTAL MCGUFFINS!"

the oracle games are better than this!

You act like other Zelda's are any different.

The only Zelda that has actually gives you a legitimate reason to do that shit is Majora's Mask.

I'm not seeing how the puzzles are paint by the numbers either. They're very Zelda-like, if anything.

Himu · « **Reply #336 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:24:24 PM »

I'm pretty underwhelmed with OoT 3ds. I thought they'd add more content or something. At best it looks like a slightly better looking version of the original, at worst it's the same game without much, if any, new content with double the frame rate.

For a game I've played at least 10-15 times I just can't justify getting a 3ds for it and it's not like I'm not already on wait for the 3ds lite bandwagon.

Maybe Majora's Mask 3ds would make me think differently.

Himu · « **Reply #337 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:28:55 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 18, 2011, 11:21:26 PM

someone's catching feelings

I guess you could say that, I just tire -- being a big fan and all -- of the "OoT is overrated" rhetoric any and every time the game comes up.

Who gives a shit, you aren't original. Go choke yourself on a sock puppet so I don't have to read your internet drool anymore. I think that any time I read "overrated" and "oot" in the same sentence.

cool breeze · « **Reply #338 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:31:17 PM »

Quote from: Ruzbeh on June 18, 2011, 07:03:44 PM

The 3D effect is good, but this is my first 3DS game. If everyone says this game's 3D effect is very good, then how are the other games? It's weird because all I see is a very convincing 3D effect. It would be shitty if it was even slightly different. I play it with the slider all the way up. MAXIMUM

Just using the 3d trailer as reference, I'd say Zelda has the best 3D effect I've seen on the system.

Himu · « **Reply #339 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:34:21 PM »

I know they're everywhere, but it doesn't take away from the fact they're annoying cunts and yes, Spielberg is a hack who hasn't made a good movie in maybe a decade.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #340 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:41:55 PM »

I cannot believe how shitty the library is for this console

demi · « **Reply #341 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:43:45 PM »

wait for e3.... o wait

The Sceneman · « **Reply #342 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:46:48 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 18, 2011, 11:41:55 PM

I cannot believe how shitty the library is for this console

I could believe it, as the 3DS hasn't been on the market for too long, but there should at least be some good looking games down the pipeline. The fact that NOTHING was shown during E3 is a very ominous sign

cool breeze · « **Reply #343 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:52:04 PM »

Quote from: demi on June 18, 2011, 11:43:45 PM

wait for e3.... o wait

tgs or gamescom

can't wait for the megaton announcement of geist 2

Himu · « **Reply #344 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:54:02 PM »

3ds has a new shinobi game coming for it and that may just be enough to make me get one if I'm financially able when it comes out

Nintendosbooger · « **Reply #345 on:** June 18, 2011, 11:58:04 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 18, 2011, 11:55:00 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 18, 2011, 11:41:55 PM
I cannot believe how shitty the library is for this console

The launch was okay but there has been like... *nothing* since then except DoA. And I don't even mean shovelware and average garbage, but NOTHING.

Sounds like the PS2 when it was first released. Look how that turned out.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #346 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:03:25 AM »

PS2 had tons of awesome shit in the pipline from day 1, even if the launch was crap. Sorry.

Himu · « **Reply #347 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:03:41 AM »

ps2 when it was first released in Japan or ps2 when it was first released in the US? Because when ps2 was first released in the US we had Tekken Tag coming up, SSX was out, and MGS2 pics in gaming mags made every guy in the classroom wet his pants. Then up to FFX you had Dark Cloud, ICO, Devil May Cry, Onimusha, MGS2, Klonoa 2, Ring of Red, Silent Hill 2 and that's within a year. I think comparing 3ds to ps2 is a lil' bit unfair. ps2 launch we KNEW it would have amazing games because they were already SHOWING those amazing games.

3ds, however...

Even if we're comparing launch titles, 3ds has nothing on SSX.

iconoclast · « **Reply #348 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:18:29 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 19, 2011, 12:06:06 AM

Of course, it also sounds like the Saturn when it was first released. Look how that turned out.

Awesome?

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #349 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:27:57 AM »

Ive never played Ocarina of Time so i watched a movie and saw you have to run the fuck around like a little prancy just to get form one place or another who the fuck does that that is a waste of time. Then i saw the gay boy you play as your avatar start blowing on some gay instrument flute. Like seriously, who wants to do that. If youre going to make me play a instrument for no reason atleast make it a fucking guitar with some sick rifts or a alto sax, not some gay ass tooty blooty thing.

I then continued ont he video and I saw them do this weird ass dungeon where the big solution to the puzzle in the dungeon was carrying a box from one corridor to the other. how is that even remotely fun. this all topped off when this gay boy turns into a man and he's still wearing this same ass green and tights suit as a 20 year old. he is pretty much the nintendo fan reincarnate except he lives in a actual fantasy world and not the one in nintenbots heads.

god this game looks bad.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #350 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:33:05 AM »

Barry Egan · « **Reply #351 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:34:30 AM »

yea it is pretty gay

Nintendosbooger · « **Reply #352 on:** June 19, 2011, 01:13:51 AM »

Quote from: Wrath2X on June 19, 2011, 12:45:48 AM

PS2

No game console will ever match the PS2 lineup, with how things are now its pretty much impossible.

No home console alone, I'm in agreement actually; however, I think this generation will be perceived as superior to that of the PS2 when all is said and done.

magus · « **Reply #353 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:00:38 AM »

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You act like other Zelda's are any different.

nah they aren't that much different,but ocarina got it the worst,which is weird because it's the game that everybody fawns the most

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I'm not seeing how the puzzles are paint by the numbers either.

oh look! a switch far-away! i wonder if i'll ever get some sort of ranged weapon to hi... oh here it is,it's a slingshot,oh what's that? the boss has a huge glowing spot that casualy can only be reached with the new item i just found?

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Who gives a shit, you aren't original. Go choke yourself on a sock puppet so I don't have to read your internet drool anymore. I think that any time I read "overrated" and "oot" in the same sentence.

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AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #354 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:09:48 AM »

I got the 3DS, Zelda, and Ghost Recon for $240 at Target. Had some gift cards that were like $65 or so.

Himu · « **Reply #355 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:38:59 AM »

Quote from: magus on June 19, 2011, 08:00:38 AM

oh look! a switch far-away! i wonder if i'll ever get some sort of ranged weapon to hi... oh here it is,it's a slingshot,oh what's that? the boss has a huge glowing spot that casualy can only be reached with the new item i just found?

(Image removed from quote.)

Once again, this is not an original argument, nor is this a by the numbers formula. That is the Zelda formula to a tee. Play the original, LttP and Link's Awakening and then come back. You're hitting switches with boomerangs, flying across rooms with hookshots in LttP.

Ocarina is merely a 3d evolution of this. A full realization of the full potential laid upon by the core principles of the 2d games.

Seems to me your issue is this: you don't like Zelda. If you're complaining about Ocarina having puzzles like this, you certainly CAN'T like Zelda. Either that or you're being a hypocrite.

magus · « **Reply #356 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:54:12 AM »

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you don't like Zelda

no,this is not true,i enjoy it but i enjoy it to a basic level,i certainly don't enjoy it to a level where i would happily plunk 300$ just to play it again with barely any cosmetic change or enjoy it to a level where i would write a sonet about it or tell people that's it's a timeless classic,these menial task are kinda fun in a "so that goes there" way but they don't certainly blow me over the water

that's why i say it's good but overrated

Himu · « **Reply #357 on:** June 19, 2011, 10:10:59 AM »

You're not preaching to the choir. Even I'm not buying a 3ds for OoT.

But that doesn't change the fact that you don't like Zelda, if you're going to complain about hitting switches to solve puzzles. It's like complaining about Mario because it includes jumping.

Himu · « **Reply #358 on:** June 19, 2011, 10:46:14 AM »

I would agree if you if earlier pics were to be an example but some of the character models just look like they're not even trying. Even the Temple of Time looks worse.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #359 on:** June 19, 2011, 11:08:34 AM »

The 3d effect is completely lost on me. I always see two images.

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