Author Topic: Dynasty/Samurai/Orochi/Whatever Warriors Thread (Read 348272 times)

Bebpo · « **Reply #360 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:49:55 AM »

If the "X" button in DW7 let me boost/dash/slide out of a combo it'd make me A LOT more happy off the bat. Without that it really feels a bit limited.

Himu · « **Reply #361 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:50:48 AM »

It also has sterile maps and copy pasta mission design with extremely poor level variety.

Musou is about more than combos. If it was all about combos I'd just stick with fighters.

If I recall, Xiahou Dun starts with three star level sword and he's the first character you play as in Wei. That means you can cancel. Attack and quickly switch to jump. There's your cancel. Also, double jump if you've got three level weapon and the character is a 'mobile' character.

Bebpo · « **Reply #362 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:53:38 AM »

>3333

thank you himuro-chaaan

bork · « **Reply #363 on:** December 13, 2011, 09:13:03 AM »

I don't have DW7 any more to check, but if you do the conquest-style mode, doesn't that let you start off with three star weapons right off the bat? No story and characters have to be unlocked for use in that mode though.

TBH I didn't feel like playing through the DW7 story modes. Didn't like being forced to use specific characters. I still want DW7 XL, but with Musou Orochi 2 so close and the Vita DW on the horizon (will wait for the U.S. release), I'm sticking with passing on it.

MO2 is gonna annihilate everything else anyway.

magus · « **Reply #364 on:** December 13, 2011, 09:49:52 AM »

it's not the weapons that have 3 stars,it's the character that have different amount of stars on different kind of weapons

and you can increase them by learning more skill on the skill tree

Himu · « **Reply #365 on:** December 13, 2011, 07:50:59 PM »

Went back DW7 360. Still on story mode.

Just about to beat Wu campaign then it's Shu time.

Jin > Wu > Wei >>>>>>>>> Shu

magus · « **Reply #366 on:** December 13, 2011, 07:58:31 PM »

you just don't have enough BENEVOLENCE himuro

Bebpo · « **Reply #367 on:** December 13, 2011, 11:57:42 PM »

Played some more DW7 and I have some questions and complaints. First of all the framerate fucking sucks! I thought DW6 was the one with the shit framerate and this was supposed to be a stable 60fps? After the 60fps Gundam Musou 3 this always changing janky framerate makes the game annoying to play. Plus the graphics suck on top of it!

Also the reason the lack of a dash button really bothers me is because you move fricken slow and the maps are big. Unlike Gundam Musou and the Basara series where you are always fighting, here it feels like most of the time I'm just running between generals.

So uh, since everyone can use every weapon, does that mean despite there being like 4000 characters, they all play the same? One of the main reasons I like musou games/basara games is because there are a ton of characters and everyone has a completely unique and different movelist so it's fun playing as them all. Is the moveset just based on the weapons?

The starting weapons are 2 star in story mode with Wei. Will the combat get more fluid and better at 3 stars? I like my combat to feel good and fluid in musou/basara types. It feels really janky and slow at the start here.

So far DWG3 >>>>>> Basara 2/3 >>>>>>FoTNS > DW/SW games to me. If the Orochi 2 has sub 60 framerates and slow combat/movement, I can't see it being that great.

Himu · « **Reply #368 on:** December 14, 2011, 12:00:58 AM »

Use a horse if you're on a big map. Use the horse to travel fast with B/Circle. Also, DWG3 isn't isn't that much faster. Like I said, it depends on the character and weapon.

Also, characters aren't the same, some are better with certain weapons, and each character has their own EX/Musou. This can change a lot.

Compare:

vs

How is DWG3 faster? It isn't. The only way it's "faster" is covering long distances with dash. If you expected a game that takes place in Three Kingdoms-era China to have dash, I don't know what to say. But DW7 is hardly slow.

But that's what mounts are for:

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #369 on:** December 14, 2011, 01:48:30 AM »

Lockon is the best DWG3 DLC- soooo much fun to use.

Bebpo · « **Reply #370 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:10:51 AM »

Hmm, the hits are not satisfying at all in that girl video. I dunno if it's the sound effects or graphics, but it barely feels like you're hitting the enemies unlike DWG. The next video with the guy the combat seems more satisfying. Maybe it just depends on the character.

And uh, because it's 3 Kingdoms, the characters can't dash? That makes no sense, running fast is not strange capability when these guys and girls can do flaming jump kicks and shoot fireballs.

Himu · « **Reply #371 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:15:08 AM »

It's not the sound effects or graphics. It's the fact that mobile suits explode when you kill them. What kind of dash do you want? Get speed upgrades.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #372 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:17:27 AM »

Do what I do, play em all

Bebpo · « **Reply #373 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:17:50 AM »

I want the ability to cancel a combo like most good action games.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #374 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:20:03 AM »

If you cant appreciate Dynasty Warriors we don't want your kind!

Himu · « **Reply #375 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:22:03 AM »

You play Musou for the action? You're doing the same thing for 50-100 hours but you play it...for the...action? There are far better action titles than Musou. Why bother with Musou games AT ALL then? Musou games are great because of:

1. Tactical real time strategy elements mixed with hack and slash gameplay
2. RPG elements (skills, weapons, levels, abilities, stats) that are a proverbial carrot being dangled to incite continual interest.
3. Fun dialogue/fan service
4. Roasting dudes in style.

Bebpo · « **Reply #376 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:23:25 AM »

DWG games have good action
Basara games have good action

Nothing wrong with wanting a large scale battle game to have combat with some depth. Doesn't have to be up there with DMC3, but it should have basic things like being able to link combo chains.

Himu · « **Reply #377 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:28:53 AM »

I played a bit of DWG1 and it's slow as fuck, considerably more slow than Dynasty Warriors 7. How about you stop bitching, play the game, learn some skills, level up some weapons, and then do your combo chains? It's not like you CAN'T do combo chains WITHOUT cancelling either. DWG3 is easy as hell in chaining combos. Get the Unicorn Gundam, set it to Unicorn mode, and you've got 50-100 hit combo right there without any effort.

Sounds to me you're just mad DW7 requires some manner of skill and you have to work for getting awesome, whereas, you're awesome off the bat in DWG3. And so, DWG3 is an outlier in Muosu games for me, in that other games, ESPECIALLY Warriors Orochi 2, you have to work your ass off to get beast characters.

You are taking these games like they're pure action games, when you should be embracing them like they're rpgs, since they have similar character progression.

Himu · « **Reply #378 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:41:39 AM »

I mean, in order to do this:

You have to pool points into your character. What's so wrong about that?

Finally, are you HOLDING weapon change? Weapon change is another cancel. So you can go do one combo with one weapon, then hold weapon change at the end of the combo, release it, and you'll do an animation that will keep you locked in your combo, follow up. Just like in that video I posted.

Bebpo · « **Reply #379 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:50:45 AM »

That looks fun!

Himu · « **Reply #380 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:16:42 AM »

btw if you like the story AT ALL check out the novel and/or the Chinese television serial:

Hundreds of characters, a timeline spanning over 100 years (the game takes place over the course of 110 or so years, but the characters don't age), it is the epic of all epics.

Another suggestion is Red Cliff.

This is a four hour John Woo film detailing the Battle of Chibi and all the players involved. Fantastic film. It is the highest grossing Chinese film of all time. Well deserved.

Getting into the Three Kingdoms is a hobby unto itself.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #381 on:** December 14, 2011, 10:32:23 AM »

Haters of DWG can suck dicks imo

Himu · « **Reply #382 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:32:54 PM »

DWG3 is awesome.

brob · « **Reply #383 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:44:27 PM »

what, they made a red cliff 2?? shiiieeeee~ I need to see that. I totally forgot how the first one just fucken ends

Bebpo · « **Reply #384 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:10:30 PM »

Does Red Cliff make any sense if you don't know the lore?

brob · « **Reply #385 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:11:14 PM »

too long since I saw it, but prolly not.

Himu · « **Reply #386 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:12:12 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on December 14, 2011, 03:10:30 PM

Does Red Cliff make any sense if you don't know the lore?

Yes, each and every character and their motivations are explained

Bebpo · « **Reply #387 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:17:00 PM »

k, will watch.

Himu · « **Reply #388 on:** December 14, 2011, 03:18:11 PM »

get the international version from amazon. the other version trims to film to like 2 hours

Himu · « **Reply #389 on:** December 14, 2011, 11:23:11 PM »

Bebpo · « **Reply #390 on:** December 15, 2011, 12:16:30 AM »

Looks good. Speed is more like Gundam Musou 3. Very fast and fluid combat.

Himu · « **Reply #391 on:** December 15, 2011, 01:18:18 AM »

Not enough fodder imo

Bebpo · « **Reply #392 on:** December 15, 2011, 01:20:24 AM »

It's the tutorial area.

bork · « **Reply #393 on:** December 15, 2011, 02:27:57 PM »

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #394 on:** December 15, 2011, 02:29:59 PM »

not enough tutorial area

Himu · « **Reply #395 on:** December 15, 2011, 02:30:32 PM »

NOT ENOUGH

In any case, DW7 and DWG3's tutorial areas have lots of enemies.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #396 on:** December 15, 2011, 02:34:26 PM »

I suspect this will be more FotNS and less DW7/DWG

Trent Dole · « **Reply #397 on:** December 15, 2011, 09:06:20 PM »

We need western dates for OP and Orochi 3 already.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #398 on:** December 16, 2011, 01:06:17 AM »

omg, a post timeskip attack

Owl-faced Wizard · « **Reply #399 on:** December 16, 2011, 01:10:54 AM »

Are all the Straw Hats gonna be playable?

Bebpo · « **Reply #400 on:** December 16, 2011, 01:17:17 AM »

Yes.

Hope they're all fun to play as.

Owl-faced Wizard · « **Reply #401 on:** December 16, 2011, 02:19:07 AM »

yesssssss
Chopper is gonna be boss
This isn't coming out of Japan, is it?

Himu · « **Reply #402 on:** December 16, 2011, 02:28:54 AM »

It should.

Bebpo · « **Reply #403 on:** December 17, 2011, 03:26:52 AM »

~8min mark new trailer

has LOTS OF GRUNTS JUST FOR HIMURO

Also
-Buggy stage + boss fight
-QTE Don Kreig stage + Mihawk fight playing as Zoro
-Arlong stage + Arlong boss fight + playing as Sanji

Guessing each arc will get 1 stage and they'll keep releasing trailers with 3-4 stages at a time.

Himu · « **Reply #404 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:21:03 PM »

oh my GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Himu · « **Reply #405 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:23:59 PM »

THEY TAKE THE BEST PARTS OF THE SERIES IN THIS AND PUT IT IN THE GAME. LUFFY'S GUM GUM AXE KICK THAT OWNS ARLONG OMG

AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU GET TO FIGHT AS ZORO AGAINST MIHAWK.

They're doing the whole story so far too!

GAME OF THE YEAR 2012

Bebpo · « **Reply #406 on:** December 17, 2011, 02:40:32 PM »

haha, yeah it looks neat

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #407 on:** December 18, 2011, 11:54:43 PM »

Is the camera any different in DW7 XL? Just seems a smidge closer than it should be all of a sudden

bork · « **Reply #408 on:** December 19, 2011, 02:23:20 PM »

Musou Orochi 2 is out Thursday!

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #409 on:** December 19, 2011, 03:41:26 PM »

fuuuuk, so expensive to import shit these daysssss tho

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #410 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:53:08 AM »

caved- ordered orochi 2 ps3, steam sales suck this year anyway

bork · « **Reply #411 on:** December 22, 2011, 12:15:33 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 22, 2011, 01:53:08 AM

caved- ordered orochi 2 ps3, steam sales suck this year anyway

What's your PSN ID? The game has online co-op!

I only popped the disc in for a minute last night and went to free mode. Looked to be set up like DW7, putting you in an NPC-populated area where you can buy weapons and such. Only three characters available by default.

Bebpo · « **Reply #412 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:42:50 PM »

Quote from: lyte edge on December 22, 2011, 12:15:33 PM

Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 22, 2011, 01:53:08 AM
caved- ordered orochi 2 ps3, steam sales suck this year anyway

What's your PSN ID? The game has online co-op!

I only popped the disc in for a minute last night and went to free mode. Looked to be set up like DW7, putting you in an NPC-populated area where you can buy weapons and such. Only three characters available by default.

Out of like 150?

That's a lot of unlocking.

bork · « **Reply #413 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:05:33 PM »

The other Orochi games are like that too. You get multiple characters per stage.

Someone will likely also have a hacked save file with everyone available from the start soon enough.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #414 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:41:42 PM »

hey lyte- did you play dw7 xl? is it just me or is the camera kinda fucked up at times? Just seems like im doing a lot more camera realignment than DW7

bork · « **Reply #415 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:06:03 PM »

Nah I didn't play XL.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #416 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:06:59 PM »

the missions are fun but it seems claustraphobic- I suspect if I hadnt played so many musou games and know how to anticipate where juggles go id be kinda pissed

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #417 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:15:19 PM »

i noticed that too with xl. weird. i spend WAY more time babysitting the camera than in other musou games -- it was REALLY apparent after playing sw3z previous.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #418 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:19:20 PM »

Yeah- I checked settings for camera options and there are none- its also bad cause like the first missions i yellow turban which takes place in a map with high cliffs so its a real bitch

Himu · « **Reply #419 on:** December 22, 2011, 08:05:39 PM »

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Author Topic: Dynasty/Samurai/Orochi/Whatever Warriors Thread (Read 348272 times)