Pro Wrasslin' Thread: I don't know what I just saw

[Himu]

Watched RoH Final Battle 2012.

 



Insane spots.

[bork]

BREAKING NEWS WWE CHAMPION LEAVING THE COMPANY



Oh wait it's just Eve.

[bork]

[Himu]

Went to Raw tonight. Overall fun show and good crowd.

[Trent Dole]

[Bloodwake]

I am glad you had fun Himuro. It sucked watching from home and was a huge disappointment for me other than the Rock and Punk

[bork]

I am glad you had fun Himuro. It sucked watching from home and was a huge disappointment for me other than the Rock and Punk

It was just another episode of RAW- awful as the 20th anniversary tribute show - but OK as a RAW show I guess.  I liked the backstage Team Hell No/Rhodes Scholars segment and the Rock/Punk stuff and that was about it, although I missed most of the cage match with Cena/Ziggler.

Although think about this.  On the RAW 20TH ANNIVERSARY TRIBUTE SHOW, HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION CM PUNK had a match against...BRODUS CLAY.  Who admitted to happily "shucking and jiving."

[parallax]

I am glad you had fun Himuro. It sucked watching from home and was a huge disappointment for me other than the Rock and Punk

It was just another episode of RAW- awful as the 20th anniversary tribute show - but OK as a RAW show I guess.  I liked the backstage Team Hell No/Rhodes Scholars segment and the Rock/Punk stuff and that was about it, although I missed most of the cage match with Cena/Ziggler.

Although think about this.  On the RAW 20TH ANNIVERSARY TRIBUTE SHOW, HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION CM PUNK had a match against...BRODUS CLAY.  Who admitted to happily "shucking and jiving."

i thought beef was joking about that. he actually said that?

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It's amazing to think that he was once part of a very good tag team, and how good James Storm is now

[Himu]

[Momo]

TNA was poo

[Himu]

Holy shit, I haven't seen a corkscrew in a long time. I miss over the top finishers 

Over the top finishers are less common after Benoit scandal. Over the top is also very safe averse and took risky. Finishers like Carlitos finisher have cause the people who use them (Carlito in particular) to have fucked up bodies and addicted to pain killers. Shit sucks.

[Himu]

miz had the worst figure 4 ever and cena's promo was the worst promo of all time

[Momo]

Did anything worth while happen?

[Himu]

i really liked the timed matches. vickie said ziggler would get number 1 or 2. he's getting a lot of heat for rumble.

that said they're still making him look weak as fuck. he needed big e AND aj to beat the miz. the timed matches were good because people (ziggler and aj) would get involved and try to have them go over the clock.

speaking of ziggler. he seems to be getting used to swagging on people. he kissed Aj and did a WHOO! hopefully it stays in  his promos. Dude needs Ric Flair swag.

cena had the worst promo ever. but cm punk and rock feud is just straight fire. probably punk's final raw as champ, and if so, they went out with a bang. the shield attacked the rock, so here's hoping a rock vs the shield thing after rumble. DEAN AMBROSE VS THE ROCK

[bork]

Rock is going to focus on Mania and keep on doing weekly promos until his inevitable match with John Cena (again).  Then he's outta there (again).

RAW sucked.  I did like the Punk/Heyman/McMahon segment, but Heyman taking center stage and the whole retardo story of Rock being barred from the building, then just walking down the ramp with a TICKET was atrocious.  There were some decent beat the clock matches, but as the go-home Rumble build-up show, that was just awful.

And yeah, holy shit at Cena's promo at the end.  They should have cut him off with the inevitable "everybody runs down and rumbles" ending segment much quicker.

It probably didn't help that I watched some older 80s and 90s Rumble matches before RAW yesterday.   

[bork]

Forgot about the Team Hell No segment.  That was great and is the kind of pro wrasslin' silliness I love to see.

Notes  from someone who was at the show:

They are trying really hard to get Alberto Del Rio over as a baby face. He did a promo for I believe the WWE App where he said that Big Show would go down just like the Ravens will go down to the Niners, then said 'Who's got it better than us? Nobody" which is the Niners slogan. It can be found on the WWE website (and of course, the WWE App) if you want to check it out. They didn't have the crowd mic'd into it on the WWE website, but it got the biggest pop of the night, even bigger than the Rock.

After The Rock got taken down by the Shield, he said 'You got me this time. But I promise you I will be WWE Champion."

The dark match after air was John Cena and Sheamus beat Big Show and Wade Barrett. Cena getting the pin on Big Show. Then Del Rio fought Show off and ended the night giving everyone high fives.

My theory on the Shield?  They are not aligned with Punk...they are Heyman's boys.  I could actually see Heyman turning on Punk after he loses the belt and sending the Shield to beat him down.  This all leads to Brock Lesnar's return (he is still on contact, IIRC, and should be having a Mania match), although they may be going with Brock vs. Taker.

[Himu]

I like the idea that The Shield work for Heyman. Punk "beats" Rock at Rumble with the help of The Shield. Afterward on Raw, it's revealed that The Shield report to Heyman. Punk FREAKS OUT and because of his own ego, he can't live with the fact his wins were due to someone else's influence. He then starts GTSing everyone - starting with Heyman - no matter their affiliation, heel or face, and at Elimination Chamber he loses the belt. Cue face turn for Mania.

I like that as a story.

[fistfulofmetal]

Punk isn't going face for the foreseeable future. Especially if he's actually facing Taker at WM.

[Himu]

They were televised and later on VHS. They didn't have a weekly shown until 1993. Before that it was.ppv.and the occasional thing on saturdays iirc.

[bork]

They had weekly shows before that.  Superstars on the weekends and stuff like "Tuesday Night Titans," IIRC. 

All I remember as a kid were the shows on Saturday (Sunday?) mornings and the PPVs.

Most of the shows pretty much never had the bigger-name guys wrestling, so it made PPV bouts a huge deal.

[Himu]

Yeah in remember the Saturday wrestling

[bork]

I also remember getting so pissed off when USA would air the yearly dog show for 1-2 weeks and RAW wouldn't air.     Now we at least get it on Sci-Fi if something has to bump it.

[Mandark]

Anyway the wrestler specific VHS tapes had an assortment of matches and sometimes a montage, the Warrior one had Blackend effectively introducing me to Metallica and Heavy Metal Most of the matches though were The Warrior Vs. The Undertaker. So for the longest time I thought they had a long standing feud, it was definitely one of my favorites as a kid. When I look Warrior or Takers history there's no mention of it, until I stumbled upon a comment about how they faced off a lot in house shows 

I specifically remember the body bag match and that match is specifically mentioned as a house show 

Well, I definitely remember seeing the body bag thing on the show that aired after Saturday morning cartoons, either "live" or as a replay.

[Bloodwake]

The worst thing about Cena's fucking awful promo is knowing that the endgame at Wrestlemania will most likely see Cena back with the title.

God, I fucking hate Cena and his stupid fucking promos. He couldn't make up anything more stupid than what I heard Monday. It was like ear cancer.

I predict Punk won't smell the title for the rest of the year.

It is also likely that Ziggler will cash in and lose since he can't even beat John Cena with AJ, Big E, Jesus H Christ, and the twelve fucking dwarves interfering.

[Trent Dole]

Ziggy's gonna cash in on a beaten Del Rio post the last man standing match at RR maybe? I hate how they finally freed him of Vivkie only to make him look even more shit by having two people to hide behind. 

[bork]

I think it's a safe bet that Ziggler is cashing in at one of the next three PPVs.  Would assume it's either the Rumble or at Mania.

LOLOL at the Smackdown! tapings results- Rock/Punk were there and they made the beatdown Rock got completely irrelevant.   

[Himu]

CENA TRASHED BACKSTAGE

Both PWInsider.com and WrestlingObserver.com have reported that Cena's promo was so bad, he actually had heat backstage. His promo was such a steaming pile of **** that the other wrestlers in the back were left scratching their heads wondering what in the hell this man was doing talking about video games with children in the audience when he was supposed to be selling us on the Royal Rumble match. - Cageside.com

[Himu]

bork why have you not joined

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39443.0

[Bloodwake]

CENA TRASHED BACKSTAGE

Both PWInsider.com and WrestlingObserver.com have reported that Cena's promo was so bad, he actually had heat backstage. His promo was such a steaming pile of **** that the other wrestlers in the back were left scratching their heads wondering what in the hell this man was doing talking about video games with children in the audience when he was supposed to be selling us on the Royal Rumble match. - Cageside.com

PWInsider didn't report it as heat as much as a topic of conversation. No one can truly have heat with Cena or they will end up like Colt Cabana or Alex Riley.

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bork why have you not joined

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39443.0

Why do you think?  It's the rumble, man!  Wanted the last spot!  But now I see the winner is who I don't want to be!   

CENA TRASHED BACKSTAGE

Both PWInsider.com and WrestlingObserver.com have reported that Cena's promo was so bad, he actually had heat backstage. His promo was such a steaming pile of **** that the other wrestlers in the back were left scratching their heads wondering what in the hell this man was doing talking about video games with children in the audience when he was supposed to be selling us on the Royal Rumble match. - Cageside.com

PWInsider didn't report it as heat as much as a topic of conversation. No one can truly have heat with Cena or they will end up like Colt Cabana or Alex Riley.

What happened to Riley?

[Himu]

[Himu]

No. John Cena drastically wants to change his character but WWE aka Vince won't let him. He was given free reign with that promo and it was shit. He should be talking less and doing scripted promos, not talking on the mic like Punk. That said he's still not popular in the back because he's the golden boy. Either he's not putting people over because he's got HBK GOAT ego or creative doesn't WANT him to put people over and he goes along with it. Considering his willingness to put over people like Punk, I gotta say it's probably creative.

[Himu]

Observer Awards for 2012:

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LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD (WRESTLER OF THE YEAR)

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI (419) 3,328
2. C.M. Punk (294) 2,325
3. Kazuchika Okada (75) 1,221
4. John Cena (31) 857
5. Daniel Bryan (5) 204
6. Austin Aries (2) 157
7. Bobby Roode (10) 130
8. Cima (3) 101
9. Sheamus (4) 69
10. The Rock (2) 37

MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI (394) 2,695
2. Kazuchika Okada (114) 1,326
3. Daniel Bryan (153) 1,273
4. El Generico (55) 515
5. C.M. Punk (34) 469
6. Austin Aries (20) 358
7. Davey Richards (18) 317
8. Dolph Ziggler (2) 244
9. Daisuke Sekimoto (5) 197
10. Tetsuya Naito (1) 161

BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW

1. THE ROCK (422) 2,620
2. John Cena (92) 1,564
3. Brock Lesnar (123) 1,309
4. Anderson Silva (55) 733
5. Georges St-Pierre (26) 565
6. Chael Sonnen (9) 317
7. Hiroshi Tanahashi (22) 245
8. Jon Jones (2) 212
9. C.M. Punk (4) 121

FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI VS. KAZUCHIKA OKADA (275) 1,753
2. Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen (238) 1,689
3. The Rock vs. John Cena (121) 1,136
4. C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan (49) 512
5. Ronda Rousey vs. Miesha Tate (15) 371
6. John Cena vs. C.M. Punk (16) 291
7. Blue Panther vs. Negro Casas (25) 271
8. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (7) 235
9. Yuji Nagata vs. Stack of Arms ( 214
10. Bobby Roode vs. James Storm (22) 203

TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR

1. CHRISTOPHER DANIELS & KAZARIAN (373) 2,248
2. Kane & Daniel Bryan (124) 1,219
3. Young Bucks (78) 1,071
4. Mark & Jay Briscoe (43) 805
5. Takao Omori & Manabu Soya (73) 612
6. Super Smash Brother (61) 579
7. Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi (51) 539
8. Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan ( 347
9. Katsuyori Shibata & Kazushi Sakuraba (2) 184
10. Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow (3) 161

MOST IMPROVED

1. KAZUCHIKA OKADA (517) 2,948
2. Michael Elgin (52) 887
3. Rush (64) 576
4. Damien Sandow (33) 552
5. Bully Ray (25) 344
6. Adam Cole (14) 322
7. Karl Anderson (1) 253
8. Titus O’Neil (9) 194
9. Dolph Ziggler (20) 178
10. Frankie Kazarian (18) 173

BEST ON INTERVIEWS

1. C.M. PUNK (365) 2,668
2. Chael Sonnen (145) 1,557
3. The Rock (129) 1,131
4. Paul Heyman (37) 608
5. Christopher Daniels (12) 299
6. Kevin Steen (14) 291
7. Bully Ray (22) 284
8. Daniel Bryan (14) 272
9. Big Show (2) 176
10. Austin Aries ( 167

MOST CHARISMATIC

1. THE ROCK (298) 2,077
2. Hiroshi Tanahashi (74) 1,275
3. John Cena (69) 1,067
4. C.M. Punk (107) 1,032
5. Daniel Bryan (67) 539
6. Chael Sonnen (28) 378
7. Brock Lesnar (6) 281
8. Georges St-Pierre (3) 199
9. Shinsuke Nakamura (2) 124
10. Austin Aries (1) 117

BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER

1. DANIEL BRYAN (391) 2,513
2. Prince Devitt (122) 1,030
3. Davey Richards (43) 969
4. Hiroshi Tanahashi (77) 774
5. Zack Sabre Jr. (52) 536
6. Yuji Nagata (41) 369
7. Austin Aries (13) 273
8. Daisuke Sekimoto (2) 144
9. Negro Casas (5) 134
10. Eddie Edwards (3) 119

BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD (BEST BRAWLER)

1. KEVIN STEEN (368) 2,457
2. Togi Makabe (49) 755
3. Bully Ray (71) 726
4. Sheamus (31) 716
5. Brock Lesnar (69) 466
6. Sami Callihan (27) 404
7. Michael Elgin (3) 231
8. Big Show (26) 221
9. Minoru Suzuki (29) 203
10. L.A. Park (11) 176

BEST FLYING WRESTLER

1. KOTA IBUSHI (285) 1,857
2. Ricochet (111) 1,229
3. Pac (88) 1,108
4. El Generico (87) 722
5. A.R. Fox (46) 540
6. La Sombra (17) 415
7. Samuray del Sol (46) 412
8. Prince Devitt (9) 300
9. Mascara Dorada (26) 271
10. Kenny Omega (22) 241

MOST OVERRATED

1. RYBACK (148) 1,028
2. The Miz (88) 825
3. Garett Bischoff (55) 405
4. Randy Orton (21) 299
5. Ken Anderson (9) 295
6. Sheamus (13) 286
7. Matt Morgan (21) 240
8. Big Show (2) 195`
9. Rob Van Dam (14) 142
10. Brodus Clay (1) 134

MOST UNDERRATED

1. TYSON KIDD (286) 1,629
2. Dolph Ziggler (85) 718
3. Daniel Bryan (56) 357
4. Kassius Ohno (32) 293
5. Jack Swagger (9) 260
6. Drew McIntyre (19) 251
7. Sin Cara (18) 209
8. Satoshi Ishii (15) 183
9. Hunico (6) 172
10. Justin Gabriel 139

PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. NEW JAPAN PRO WRESTLING (497) 3,452
2. Ultimate Fighting Championships (91) 1,388
3. World Wrestling Entertainment (85) 1,357
4. Dragon Gate (33) 477
5. CHIKARA Pro (19) 344
6. Total Nonstop Action (18) 324
7. Pro Wrestling Guerrilla (3) 308
8. IWRG (5) 255
9. AAA (12) 253
10. ROH 133

BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW

1. TNA IMPACT (122) 1,043
2. Ring of Honor (73) 926
3. WWE NXT (61) 869
4. WWE Monday Night Raw (76) 828
5. WWE Main Event (85) 819
6. Dragon Gate Infinity (65) 781
7. WWE Smackdown (28) 591
8. Bellator (60) 433
9. New Japan World Pro Wrestling (62) 401
10. Fight Factory (36) 289

PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI VS. MINORU SUZUKI 10/8 TOKYO (277) 2,014
2. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar 4/29 Chicago(87) 1,202
3. Davey Richards vs. Michael Elgin 3/31 Ft. Lauderdale (146) 1,185
4. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada 6/16 Osaka (121) 1,057
5. Undertaker vs. HHH 4/1 Miami (77) 859
6. Kazuchika Okada vs. Tetsuya Naito 3/4 Tokyo (68) 661
7. Kenny Omega vs. Kota Ibushi 8/18 Tokyo (35) 204
8. C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan 5/20 Raleigh (4) 180
9. The Rock vs. John Cena 4/1 Miami (18) 135
10. Blue Panther vs. ***** Casas 3/2 Mexico City (2) 121

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

1. DINASTIA (199) 1,530
2. Mr. Touchdown (214) 1,496
3. Eita Kobayashi (106) 755
4. ACH (5) 519
5. Saturyne (31) 341
6. Tadarius Thomas (40) 291
7. Ross & Marshall Von Erich (1) 110

BEST NON-WRESTLER

1. PAUL HEYMAN (479) 2,747
2. Ricardo Rodriguez (97) 1,291
3. Vickie Guerrero (24) 722
4. A.J. (22) 464
5. Gedo (25) 404
6. John Laurinaitis (3) 172
7. Truth Martini (4) 157
8. Vince McMahon (2) 153
9. Nigel McGuinness ( 129
10. Jim Cornette 99

BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. JIM ROSS (234) 1,902
2. Nigel McGuinness (205) 1,647
3. William Regal (64) 967
4. Joe Rogan (130) 965
5. JBL (47) 777
6. Kevin Kelly (29) 364
7. Mike Tenay (10) 192
8. Michael Schiavello (24) 181
9. Jesse Manuel Guillen (12) 175
10. Mike Goldberg (6) 115

WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. MICHAEL COLE (166) 1,723
2. Taz (117) 1,242
3. Booker T (151) 1,023
4. Jerry Lawler (109) 920
5. Josh Matthews (23) 412
6. The Miz (28) 214
7. Todd Keneley (17) 184
8. Mike Goldberg (10) 135
9. Jesus Zuniga (12) 95
10. Mike Tenay ( 90

BEST MAJOR SHOW

1. NEW JAPAN KINGS OF PRO WRESTLING 10/8 TOKYO (425)2,618
2. WWE Extreme Rules 4/29 Chicago (118) 1,348
3. WWE WrestleMania 4/1 Miami (13) 1,033
4. New Japan Dominion 6/16 Osaka (23) 479
5. ROH Glory by Honor 10/13 Mississauga (38) 364
6. All Japan 3/20 Tokyo (2) 323
7. CMLL Anniversary show 9/14 Arena Mexico (29) 257
8. UFC 146 All Heavyweight show 5/26 Las Vegas (13) 213
9. WWE TLC 2011 12/18 Baltimore (17) 185
10. TNA Destination X 7/8 Orlando (2) 184

WORST MAJOR SHOW

1. UFC 149 7/21 CALGARY 214
2. Extreme Reunion 4/28 Philadelphia 113
3. WWE No Way Out 5/20 East Rutherford, NJ 94
4. TNA Against All Odds 2/12 Orlando 74
5. TNA Genesis 1/8 Orlando 39
6. WWE Royal Rumble 1/29 St. Louis 32
7. TNA Lockdown 4/15 Nashville 28
8. WWE Hell in a Cell 10/28 Atlanta 27
9. TNA No Surrender 9/9 Orlando 23
10. UFC on FX Maynard vs. Guida 6/22 Atlantic City 19

BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER

1. KAZUCHIKA OKADA RAINMAKER 201
2. Antonio Cesaro Neutralizer 92
3. Daniel Bryan Yes/No/LeBell lock 82
4. Antonio Cesaro versions of bolo forearm 64
5. Ricochet 630 30
6. Sonjay Dutt moonsault double foot stomp 29
7. Dragon Kid dragon rana 18

MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC

1. WWE’S PRESENTATION OF PAUL HEYMAN AND C.M. PUNK COMING IN DURING JERRY LAWLER’S RETURN, AIRING CLIPS OF HIM WHILE HE WAS DEAD AND BEING REVIVED, AND THE FAKE HEART ATTACK PROMO 493
2. Extreme Rising using Sabu’s overdose/passing out while advertising his return to the promotion 44
3. UFC’s handling of Jeremy Stephens’ arrest, trying to bail him out and still have him fight on the show while he was stuck in jail that afternoon 27
4. Linda McMahon’s senatorial campaign and how WWE handled it 19

WORST TELEVISION SHOW

1. WWE RAW 319
2. TNA Impact 199
3. Ultimate Fighter: Nelson vs. Carwin 81
4. WWE Smackdown 71
5. Ring of Honor 41
6. CMLL 17
7. Championship Wrestling from Hollywood 16

WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. JOHN CENA VS. JOHN LAURINAITIS 5/20 RALEIGH 151
2. Santino Marella vs. Ricardo Rodriguez 6/17 E Rutherford 78
3. Clay Guida vs. Gray Maynard 6/22 Atlantic City 48
4. John Cena vs. Kane 1/29 St. Louis 38
5. Gunner vs. Kris Lewis 8/23 Orlando 38
6. Divas Battle Royal 8/20 Fresno 29
7. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan 4/1 Miami 28
8. Brodus Clay vs. David Otunga 6/17 East Rutherford 25
9. Gunner vs. Garett Bischoff 2/12 Orlando 21

WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. JOHN CENA VS. KANE 253
2. TNA vs. Aces and 8s 192
3. John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis 65
4. Kane vs. Zack Ryder 43
5. Vickie Guerrero vs. A.J. Lee 41
6. A.J. Styles vs. Claire Lynch 19

WORST PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. TOTAL NONSTOP ACTION 269
2. Ring of Honor 202
3. World Wrestling Entertainment 80
4. Pro Wrestling NOAH 72
5. Extreme Rising 65
6. Strikeforce 56
7. Bellator 44
8. Inoki Genome Federation 32
9. Championship Wrestling from Hollywood 18

BEST BOOKER

1. GEDO & JADO 592
2. Joe Silva 154
3. Mike Quackenbush 58
4. Vince McMahon 20

PROMOTER OF THE YEAR

1. DANA WHITE 379
2. Takaaki Kidani 289
3. Vince McMahon 171
4. Mike Quackenbush 59

BEST GIMMICK

1. JOSEPH PARK 154
2. Damien Sandow Savior of the Masses 147
3. Daniel Bryan Yes/No 111
4. Kazuchika Okada Rainmaker 97
5. CM Punk all year as champion 58
5. Ryback 53
6. Team Hell No 26
7. Antonio Cesaro 21
8. Bray Wyatt 19
9. Bully Ray 17

WORST GIMMICK

1. ACES AND 8S 163
2. Tensai 148
3. Natalya 92
4. Claire Lynch 90
5. Brodus Clay 48
6. The Miz 27
7. AJ als General Manager 21
8. Joseph Park 18

BEST PRO WRESTLING BOOK

1. JONATHAN SNOWDEN - SHOOTERS 137
2: Steven Johnson, Greg Oliver, Mike Mooneyham & JJ Dillon - Heroes & Icons: The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame 72
3: Booker T - From Prison to Promise 49
4: Lance Storm - Storm Front 23

BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD

1. CM PUNK BEST IN THE WORLD 548
2. Last of McGuinness 21
3. Such Great Heights: The Jon Fitch Story 19

[close]

[bork]

What happened to Riley?

Cena constantly took verbal shits on him backstage in front of others. Riley attacked him back verbally and his push ended and he became a Jobber to Jobbers because John Cena was upset.

No. John Cena drastically wants to change his character but WWE aka Vince won't let him. He was given free reign with that promo and it was shit. He should be talking less and doing scripted promos, not talking on the mic like Punk. That said he's still not popular in the back because he's the golden boy. Either he's not putting people over because he's got HBK GOAT ego or creative doesn't WANT him to put people over and he goes along with it. Considering his willingness to put over people like Punk, I gotta say it's probably creative.

These sound like dirt sheet garbage.  I'd take it with a grain of salt.  I can definitely believe that Cena got heat for that awful promo though.

[Himu]

It's not dirt sheet. Remember Cena walking out on Punk in the middle of a promo in 2011? It's a part of that. Cena is stated as being very annoyed with his position within the company and it doesn't take much logic to know that for Vince Cena > all. CM Punk and The Rock are headlining Rumble and this dude is still at the center of attention. You can call it what you want. Either he goes along with the shitty booking like everyone else, or he has an almost Hogan like ego in that he refuses to put people over. The other week he took what, two or three of Dolph's finishers AND one of Big E's and STILL KICKED OUT? No. He has to be calling these matches.

[bork]

It's not dirt sheet. Remember Cena walking out on Punk in the middle of a promo in 2011? It's a part of that.

ON TV?  LOL dude.  This isn't WCW in 2000...that was scripted.

Cena is stated as being very annoyed with his position within the company

Again, sounds like dirt sheet talk.  I'm sure Cena is very annoyed with his position as the top guy in the company!

and it doesn't take much logic to know that for Vince Cena > all.

It's Vince.  Not Cena.  And what about HHH?   

And everyone gets punished in some way for fucking up.  Even HHH, when he was the #1 guy in 2002-2003, did something stupid (can't remember what it was) and was left off RAW that week and put on Sunday Night Heat instead.

CM Punk and The Rock are headlining Rumble and this dude is still at the center of attention. You can call it what you want.

The Rock segments are what have drawn the most attention.  I don't agree that Cena is at the center of attention for the Rumble, but Cena IS the top guy in the actual rumble match and I can understand closing out the show with a rumble match segment.  What I cannot understand, like everyone else, is the awful, shit-filled, wtf, are you on something, promo that Cena belched out on Monday night.

Either he goes along with the shitty booking like everyone else, or he has an almost Hogan like ego in that he refuses to put people over. The other week he took what, two or three of Dolph's finishers AND one of Big E's and STILL KICKED OUT? No. He has to be calling these matches.

Cena is not booking his own matches.  He is being told what to do like everyone else.  "Super Cena" has been like this for years now.  That is what everyone complains about.  He is like Hogan in that he is the top babyface and the guy selling tickets/goods, but nobody ever talks about his ego being like Hogan or any of the kliq people, for that matter.

The biggest problem with Cena I've noticed is that he doesn't sell his losses.  He comes right back with a smile and starts up with more dumb promos every time. 

Cena has been a face for what...going on 9 years now?  And he's played the same character role (dropping the thuganomics gimmick) for like 6-7 years.  It's stale and it's boring.  But the WWE won't turn him heel again because the kiddies love him and he sells merchandise.

[Momo]

Observer Awards for 2012:

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LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD (WRESTLER OF THE YEAR)

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI (419) 3,328
2. C.M. Punk (294) 2,325
3. Kazuchika Okada (75) 1,221
4. John Cena (31) 857
5. Daniel Bryan (5) 204
6. Austin Aries (2) 157
7. Bobby Roode (10) 130
8. Cima (3) 101
9. Sheamus (4) 69
10. The Rock (2) 37

MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI (394) 2,695
2. Kazuchika Okada (114) 1,326
3. Daniel Bryan (153) 1,273
4. El Generico (55) 515
5. C.M. Punk (34) 469
6. Austin Aries (20) 358
7. Davey Richards (18) 317
8. Dolph Ziggler (2) 244
9. Daisuke Sekimoto (5) 197
10. Tetsuya Naito (1) 161

BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW

1. THE ROCK (422) 2,620
2. John Cena (92) 1,564
3. Brock Lesnar (123) 1,309
4. Anderson Silva (55) 733
5. Georges St-Pierre (26) 565
6. Chael Sonnen (9) 317
7. Hiroshi Tanahashi (22) 245
8. Jon Jones (2) 212
9. C.M. Punk (4) 121

FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI VS. KAZUCHIKA OKADA (275) 1,753
2. Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen (238) 1,689
3. The Rock vs. John Cena (121) 1,136
4. C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan (49) 512
5. Ronda Rousey vs. Miesha Tate (15) 371
6. John Cena vs. C.M. Punk (16) 291
7. Blue Panther vs. Negro Casas (25) 271
8. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (7) 235
9. Yuji Nagata vs. Stack of Arms ( 214
10. Bobby Roode vs. James Storm (22) 203

TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR

1. CHRISTOPHER DANIELS & KAZARIAN (373) 2,248
2. Kane & Daniel Bryan (124) 1,219
3. Young Bucks (78) 1,071
4. Mark & Jay Briscoe (43) 805
5. Takao Omori & Manabu Soya (73) 612
6. Super Smash Brother (61) 579
7. Daisuke Sekimoto & Yuji Okabayashi (51) 539
8. Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan ( 347
9. Katsuyori Shibata & Kazushi Sakuraba (2) 184
10. Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow (3) 161

MOST IMPROVED

1. KAZUCHIKA OKADA (517) 2,948
2. Michael Elgin (52) 887
3. Rush (64) 576
4. Damien Sandow (33) 552
5. Bully Ray (25) 344
6. Adam Cole (14) 322
7. Karl Anderson (1) 253
8. Titus O’Neil (9) 194
9. Dolph Ziggler (20) 178
10. Frankie Kazarian (18) 173

BEST ON INTERVIEWS

1. C.M. PUNK (365) 2,668
2. Chael Sonnen (145) 1,557
3. The Rock (129) 1,131
4. Paul Heyman (37) 608
5. Christopher Daniels (12) 299
6. Kevin Steen (14) 291
7. Bully Ray (22) 284
8. Daniel Bryan (14) 272
9. Big Show (2) 176
10. Austin Aries ( 167

MOST CHARISMATIC

1. THE ROCK (298) 2,077
2. Hiroshi Tanahashi (74) 1,275
3. John Cena (69) 1,067
4. C.M. Punk (107) 1,032
5. Daniel Bryan (67) 539
6. Chael Sonnen (28) 378
7. Brock Lesnar (6) 281
8. Georges St-Pierre (3) 199
9. Shinsuke Nakamura (2) 124
10. Austin Aries (1) 117

BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER

1. DANIEL BRYAN (391) 2,513
2. Prince Devitt (122) 1,030
3. Davey Richards (43) 969
4. Hiroshi Tanahashi (77) 774
5. Zack Sabre Jr. (52) 536
6. Yuji Nagata (41) 369
7. Austin Aries (13) 273
8. Daisuke Sekimoto (2) 144
9. Negro Casas (5) 134
10. Eddie Edwards (3) 119

BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD (BEST BRAWLER)

1. KEVIN STEEN (368) 2,457
2. Togi Makabe (49) 755
3. Bully Ray (71) 726
4. Sheamus (31) 716
5. Brock Lesnar (69) 466
6. Sami Callihan (27) 404
7. Michael Elgin (3) 231
8. Big Show (26) 221
9. Minoru Suzuki (29) 203
10. L.A. Park (11) 176

BEST FLYING WRESTLER

1. KOTA IBUSHI (285) 1,857
2. Ricochet (111) 1,229
3. Pac (88) 1,108
4. El Generico (87) 722
5. A.R. Fox (46) 540
6. La Sombra (17) 415
7. Samuray del Sol (46) 412
8. Prince Devitt (9) 300
9. Mascara Dorada (26) 271
10. Kenny Omega (22) 241

MOST OVERRATED

1. RYBACK (148) 1,028
2. The Miz (88) 825
3. Garett Bischoff (55) 405
4. Randy Orton (21) 299
5. Ken Anderson (9) 295
6. Sheamus (13) 286
7. Matt Morgan (21) 240
8. Big Show (2) 195`
9. Rob Van Dam (14) 142
10. Brodus Clay (1) 134

MOST UNDERRATED

1. TYSON KIDD (286) 1,629
2. Dolph Ziggler (85) 718
3. Daniel Bryan (56) 357
4. Kassius Ohno (32) 293
5. Jack Swagger (9) 260
6. Drew McIntyre (19) 251
7. Sin Cara (18) 209
8. Satoshi Ishii (15) 183
9. Hunico (6) 172
10. Justin Gabriel 139

PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. NEW JAPAN PRO WRESTLING (497) 3,452
2. Ultimate Fighting Championships (91) 1,388
3. World Wrestling Entertainment (85) 1,357
4. Dragon Gate (33) 477
5. CHIKARA Pro (19) 344
6. Total Nonstop Action (18) 324
7. Pro Wrestling Guerrilla (3) 308
8. IWRG (5) 255
9. AAA (12) 253
10. ROH 133

BEST WEEKLY TV SHOW

1. TNA IMPACT (122) 1,043
2. Ring of Honor (73) 926
3. WWE NXT (61) 869
4. WWE Monday Night Raw (76) 828
5. WWE Main Event (85) 819
6. Dragon Gate Infinity (65) 781
7. WWE Smackdown (28) 591
8. Bellator (60) 433
9. New Japan World Pro Wrestling (62) 401
10. Fight Factory (36) 289

PRO WRESTLING MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. HIROSHI TANAHASHI VS. MINORU SUZUKI 10/8 TOKYO (277) 2,014
2. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar 4/29 Chicago(87) 1,202
3. Davey Richards vs. Michael Elgin 3/31 Ft. Lauderdale (146) 1,185
4. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada 6/16 Osaka (121) 1,057
5. Undertaker vs. HHH 4/1 Miami (77) 859
6. Kazuchika Okada vs. Tetsuya Naito 3/4 Tokyo (68) 661
7. Kenny Omega vs. Kota Ibushi 8/18 Tokyo (35) 204
8. C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan 5/20 Raleigh (4) 180
9. The Rock vs. John Cena 4/1 Miami (18) 135
10. Blue Panther vs. ***** Casas 3/2 Mexico City (2) 121

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

1. DINASTIA (199) 1,530
2. Mr. Touchdown (214) 1,496
3. Eita Kobayashi (106) 755
4. ACH (5) 519
5. Saturyne (31) 341
6. Tadarius Thomas (40) 291
7. Ross & Marshall Von Erich (1) 110

BEST NON-WRESTLER

1. PAUL HEYMAN (479) 2,747
2. Ricardo Rodriguez (97) 1,291
3. Vickie Guerrero (24) 722
4. A.J. (22) 464
5. Gedo (25) 404
6. John Laurinaitis (3) 172
7. Truth Martini (4) 157
8. Vince McMahon (2) 153
9. Nigel McGuinness ( 129
10. Jim Cornette 99

BEST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. JIM ROSS (234) 1,902
2. Nigel McGuinness (205) 1,647
3. William Regal (64) 967
4. Joe Rogan (130) 965
5. JBL (47) 777
6. Kevin Kelly (29) 364
7. Mike Tenay (10) 192
8. Michael Schiavello (24) 181
9. Jesse Manuel Guillen (12) 175
10. Mike Goldberg (6) 115

WORST TELEVISION ANNOUNCER

1. MICHAEL COLE (166) 1,723
2. Taz (117) 1,242
3. Booker T (151) 1,023
4. Jerry Lawler (109) 920
5. Josh Matthews (23) 412
6. The Miz (28) 214
7. Todd Keneley (17) 184
8. Mike Goldberg (10) 135
9. Jesus Zuniga (12) 95
10. Mike Tenay ( 90

BEST MAJOR SHOW

1. NEW JAPAN KINGS OF PRO WRESTLING 10/8 TOKYO (425)2,618
2. WWE Extreme Rules 4/29 Chicago (118) 1,348
3. WWE WrestleMania 4/1 Miami (13) 1,033
4. New Japan Dominion 6/16 Osaka (23) 479
5. ROH Glory by Honor 10/13 Mississauga (38) 364
6. All Japan 3/20 Tokyo (2) 323
7. CMLL Anniversary show 9/14 Arena Mexico (29) 257
8. UFC 146 All Heavyweight show 5/26 Las Vegas (13) 213
9. WWE TLC 2011 12/18 Baltimore (17) 185
10. TNA Destination X 7/8 Orlando (2) 184

WORST MAJOR SHOW

1. UFC 149 7/21 CALGARY 214
2. Extreme Reunion 4/28 Philadelphia 113
3. WWE No Way Out 5/20 East Rutherford, NJ 94
4. TNA Against All Odds 2/12 Orlando 74
5. TNA Genesis 1/8 Orlando 39
6. WWE Royal Rumble 1/29 St. Louis 32
7. TNA Lockdown 4/15 Nashville 28
8. WWE Hell in a Cell 10/28 Atlanta 27
9. TNA No Surrender 9/9 Orlando 23
10. UFC on FX Maynard vs. Guida 6/22 Atlantic City 19

BEST WRESTLING MANEUVER

1. KAZUCHIKA OKADA RAINMAKER 201
2. Antonio Cesaro Neutralizer 92
3. Daniel Bryan Yes/No/LeBell lock 82
4. Antonio Cesaro versions of bolo forearm 64
5. Ricochet 630 30
6. Sonjay Dutt moonsault double foot stomp 29
7. Dragon Kid dragon rana 18

MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC

1. WWE’S PRESENTATION OF PAUL HEYMAN AND C.M. PUNK COMING IN DURING JERRY LAWLER’S RETURN, AIRING CLIPS OF HIM WHILE HE WAS DEAD AND BEING REVIVED, AND THE FAKE HEART ATTACK PROMO 493
2. Extreme Rising using Sabu’s overdose/passing out while advertising his return to the promotion 44
3. UFC’s handling of Jeremy Stephens’ arrest, trying to bail him out and still have him fight on the show while he was stuck in jail that afternoon 27
4. Linda McMahon’s senatorial campaign and how WWE handled it 19

WORST TELEVISION SHOW

1. WWE RAW 319
2. TNA Impact 199
3. Ultimate Fighter: Nelson vs. Carwin 81
4. WWE Smackdown 71
5. Ring of Honor 41
6. CMLL 17
7. Championship Wrestling from Hollywood 16

WORST MATCH OF THE YEAR

1. JOHN CENA VS. JOHN LAURINAITIS 5/20 RALEIGH 151
2. Santino Marella vs. Ricardo Rodriguez 6/17 E Rutherford 78
3. Clay Guida vs. Gray Maynard 6/22 Atlantic City 48
4. John Cena vs. Kane 1/29 St. Louis 38
5. Gunner vs. Kris Lewis 8/23 Orlando 38
6. Divas Battle Royal 8/20 Fresno 29
7. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan 4/1 Miami 28
8. Brodus Clay vs. David Otunga 6/17 East Rutherford 25
9. Gunner vs. Garett Bischoff 2/12 Orlando 21

WORST FEUD OF THE YEAR

1. JOHN CENA VS. KANE 253
2. TNA vs. Aces and 8s 192
3. John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis 65
4. Kane vs. Zack Ryder 43
5. Vickie Guerrero vs. A.J. Lee 41
6. A.J. Styles vs. Claire Lynch 19

WORST PROMOTION OF THE YEAR

1. TOTAL NONSTOP ACTION 269
2. Ring of Honor 202
3. World Wrestling Entertainment 80
4. Pro Wrestling NOAH 72
5. Extreme Rising 65
6. Strikeforce 56
7. Bellator 44
8. Inoki Genome Federation 32
9. Championship Wrestling from Hollywood 18

BEST BOOKER

1. GEDO & JADO 592
2. Joe Silva 154
3. Mike Quackenbush 58
4. Vince McMahon 20

PROMOTER OF THE YEAR

1. DANA WHITE 379
2. Takaaki Kidani 289
3. Vince McMahon 171
4. Mike Quackenbush 59

BEST GIMMICK

1. JOSEPH PARK 154
2. Damien Sandow Savior of the Masses 147
3. Daniel Bryan Yes/No 111
4. Kazuchika Okada Rainmaker 97
5. CM Punk all year as champion 58
5. Ryback 53
6. Team Hell No 26
7. Antonio Cesaro 21
8. Bray Wyatt 19
9. Bully Ray 17

WORST GIMMICK

1. ACES AND 8S 163
2. Tensai 148
3. Natalya 92
4. Claire Lynch 90
5. Brodus Clay 48
6. The Miz 27
7. AJ als General Manager 21
8. Joseph Park 18

BEST PRO WRESTLING BOOK

1. JONATHAN SNOWDEN - SHOOTERS 137
2: Steven Johnson, Greg Oliver, Mike Mooneyham & JJ Dillon - Heroes & Icons: The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame 72
3: Booker T - From Prison to Promise 49
4: Lance Storm - Storm Front 23

BEST PRO WRESTLING DVD

1. CM PUNK BEST IN THE WORLD 548
2. Last of McGuinness 21
3. Such Great Heights: The Jon Fitch Story 19

[close]

[bork]

Jesus rice, that awards list is ridiculously long.  Spoiler tag that shit next time.

[Himu]

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2013/01/24/20524306.html

good interview with THE DAZZLER

[bork]

[bork]

Wrasslin' megathread has been created.  Wrasslegaf is jealous.  WE'RE TAKING OVER 

[Himu]

What are you talking about

[bork]

What are you talking about

WRASSLEGAF INVASION

New-New-N-n-new Bore Order

[Himu]

Why did you merge the old thread with a year old wrestling thread?

[Himu]

Fuck wrestlgaf how do I invade

[bork]

For easy reference.  Some good pics/vids in there. 

[bork]

Fuck wrestlgaf how do I invade

We gotta take over the IRC chat first and proclaim it the New Bore Order.  I wanted to do it for the Rumble but someone had already claimed the chat two+ hours before the PPV pre-show even started.

   nBo 

[Beezy]

[Himu]

TWICE IN A BUTT TIME

[Himu]

I think it is staged

[Himu]

Seeing punk without the belt makes me sad

[Himu]

HOLY SHIT PUNK IS PISSED

[Himu]

Phoenix screw job

[bork]

Vice mcman

Punk plz

[Himu]

I can't get over that awesome intro

[bork]

?

[Himu]

Punk storming around The ring in a tantrum

[Bloodwake]

Ryback isn't going to make me laugh.

[Himu]

cena getting emotional at that huge cena sucks chant