Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)

[Shadow Mod]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=98038382

that ether

I know someone who likes that stuff, is married, and his wife buys and supports him with figures of said characters.

Guess he found someone as fucked up as himself whose willing to humor his fucked up fetish.

 

[Your Stalker]

and you found timedog

[Shadow Mod]

and you found timedog

Timedog rules. Anyway.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=756038

wut

[helios]

What's up with GAF members bringing their weird hangups to the forum?

[Pickles the Firecat]

Woman dies from beating received after accidentally walking into picture being taken

Obviously it was her friends' fault for wanting to hang out with her.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98079008&postcount=10

[StealthFan]

The best part about the MLK frat picture is you know that white bitch is gonna take BBC at some point, or already has. I love it when blonde white sluts talk shit about "distinguished black fellows" and then take the sirloin. They always make excuses too, or continue talking shit about blacks.

They try and act even after taking the seed to their guts.

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98076197&postcount=13673

How much of a little attention whore with a persecution complex do you have to be to post something like this?

[Michael Moaner]

GAF has fostered Pedo Culture for years now without any resistance. Meanwhile, Lore's machismo and angst against women grew, all culminating into one (along with the help of his emotionally stunted mod team) joke of a forum.

P.S. Duckroll is a pedophile.

[Your Stalker]

are you an awesomeo alt

[StealthFan]

Pickles The Firecat

[Shadow Mod]

He's kind of right, I mean Slayven got banned for saying "hi" in realpic, meanwhile there's tons of pedos in that thread that get to keep chuggin' along.

[Takao]

and you found timedog

Timedog rules. Anyway.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=756038

wut

Sometimes it's easier to share your very simple relationship problems with random strangers on the internet than it is to tell the person sleeping right next to you.

[king of the internet]

He's kind of right, I mean Slayven got banned for saying "hi" in realpic, meanwhile there's tons of pedos in that thread that get to keep chuggin' along.

Banned for saying hi? Am I missing something.

[Shadow Mod]

He's kind of right, I mean Slayven got banned for saying "hi" in realpic, meanwhile there's tons of pedos in that thread that get to keep chuggin' along.

Banned for saying hi? Am I missing something.

He went into realpic quoted the first white girl and said "hi." Now he's banned. I laughed but damn at least take out the trash gaming side if that's bannable or somethin.

[Himu]

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To be honest, I think you guys are doing these people a disservice. I can't judge them because of their attraction. My friend is lucky in that he's attracted to women too. His wife keeps him grounded. So does stuff like animu stuff. Yet you guys are here talking about them like they're human garbage just because of their attraction and yet they're finding one of the only non harmful outlet to fuel their attraction into instead of actual real people. So long as they're not hurting anyone I see no problem. Seems people will always have a type of person they consider a freak in their heads. I have a lot of pity for these people. They are attracted.to children and cannot help their attraction despite knowing it is wrong. That must be torture and incredibly self loathing

I'd say leave the animu loli fans alone and concentrate on something else.

[Himu]

What is the origin of that crazy ass mario variant?

[Himu]

I never said that making it known that it is objectionable is wrong. My stance is that they are human beings. And like human beings, they need understanding and respect. Not blanket statements like the one devo said on the last page about how my friend found himself a fellow freak. That's not good.behavior or language, and is unbecoming of a good, open-minded person. Yes, most pedohiles are a result of molestation. For that reason alone we should be treating them like humans and not like freaks who will kidnap our children. Most pedophiles will not harm other people, just like most gays won't go around infecting people with HIV. The language thrown towards these people on the last two pages is quite funny considering we have more than a couple thread mocking conservatives on the front page of the diversity lounge. We're better than those people, who fear people and things they don't understand - except when we do the same thing.

You guys need to get out more if only to stop seeing people as blanket stereotypes and have compassion towards your fellow man.

[Shadow Mod]

I don't feel like those fantasies should be encouraged at all and we'll just have to disagree on that. I don't like that stuff being created, mass marketed and pumped out for people to consume.

 

You said she buys into it and gets him figurines and stuff.

I think they need help. Like I said we'll just have to disagree.

[Shadow Mod]

Tbh im pretty sure that its better for people to have outlets than to suppress them generally.

TBH I think consumption of materials is a symptom of a larger problem not really being addressed.

[nachobro]

Anime fan couples that get way into it together do shit like that. Statue collections, artbooks, rooms with animu shit all over, even watching hentai stuff together. I know a couple that collects those sleep/fuck pillows.

I don't get it but whatever. They could be fucking dogs or kids, so it's a step up.

[Shadow Mod]

Tbh whats your solution?

If someone has pedophiliac tendencies the first stop should be a therapist not consumption of porn. That's just how I feel. And I also feel like it's gross catering to a demographic that like for money.

[Positive Touch]

I never said that making it known that it is objectionable is wrong. My stance is that they are human beings. And like human beings, they need understanding and respect. Not blanket statements like the one devo said on the last page about how my friend found himself a fellow freak. That's not good.behavior or language, and is unbecoming of a good, open-minded person. Yes, most pedohiles are a result of molestation. For that reason alone we should be treating them like humans and not like freaks who will kidnap our children. Most pedophiles will not harm other people, just like most gays won't go around infecting people with HIV. The language thrown towards these people on the last two pages is quite funny considering we have more than a couple thread mocking conservatives on the front page of the diversity lounge. We're better than those people, who fear people and things they don't understand - except when we do the same thing.

You guys need to get out more if only to stop seeing people as blanket stereotypes and have compassion towards your fellow man.

remember that post that i always make fun of etoilet for writing - the one where he compared nintendo fans to holocaust victims or whatever? this post is 10000x more awful and disingenuous. get the entire fuck out

[CatsCatsCats]

I'm all for loving and accepting our fellow humans, but if you're attracted to children, it's an issue that should be addressed with counseling, not jacking off to cartoon rapes.

You can love and understand and not encourage behavior that is damaging to themselves and ultimately a healthy society

[Positive Touch]

Tbh whats your solution?

If someone has pedophiliac tendencies the first stop should be a therapist not consumption of porn. That's just how I feel. And I also feel like it's gross catering to a demographic that like for money.

cure a rapist by giving him a bunch of max hardcore vids and telling him to jerk responsibly, brehs

whether its cartoon porn or real-life porn, indulging in it is the EXACT opposite of seeking help. you keep wacking off to that shit because you fucking enjoy it. and a wife that helps you indulge in that shit, wow much tolerance so progressive. so, theyre both just fucked in the head, him because he enjoys it and her because she supports it. fuck em.

and especially fuck that "two sides to every story" fake-ass definition of tolerance that demands we accept other people's bullshit behavior. thats not how it fucking works.

[Shadow Mod]

Tbh whats your solution?

If someone has pedophiliac tendencies the first stop should be a therapist not consumption of porn. That's just how I feel. And I also feel like it's gross catering to a demographic that like for money.

Therapy ain't solving pedophilia. I'm pretty sure pedophilia isn't a fetish or exclusively a product of abuse but the result of someone being being broken neurologically as well. CBT and pharmacological castration work, but they're not exactly panaceas. As for the latter, lol capitalism etc.

Therapy is dealing with it on an individual level rather than immersing yourself in the materials that drive your problem.

[Himu]

I didn't say they shouldn't get counseling either. Holy shit.

[Shadow Mod]

Therapy is an option, not sure how far it would go in that case though.

Best to try some actual counseling and getting to the deeper issues than defending some fucked up ass loli game that was made to encourage and exploit real problems.

[Himu]

Tbh whats your solution?

If someone has pedophiliac tendencies the first stop should be a therapist not consumption of porn. That's just how I feel. And I also feel like it's gross catering to a demographic that like for money.

cure a rapist by giving him a bunch of max hardcore vids and telling him to jerk responsibly, brehs

whether its cartoon porn or real-life porn, indulging in it is the EXACT opposite of seeking help. you keep wacking off to that shit because you fucking enjoy it. and a wife that helps you indulge in that shit, wow much tolerance so progressive. so, theyre both just fucked in the head, him because he enjoys it and her because she supports it. fuck em.

and especially fuck that "two sides to every story" fake-ass definition of tolerance that demands we accept other people's bullshit behavior. thats not how it fucking works.

You said my post was disingenuous and comparing apples and oranges while you're comparing all pedophiles to rapists. Stop it with the holier than thou liberal shit.

You have taken my argument and completely missed my point.

[StealthFan]

If someone wants to fuck kids, they want to fuck kids. Going to therapy won't cure that just like it won't cure the gay. I think pedos should have their own (gated ) communities where they can live their lives and shit and not be around children.

I don't buy into that outlet philosophy. What if someone has psychopathic tendencies? What is their outlet? Just because a man with homicidal thoughts plays FPS doesn't mean he ain't gonna end up killing someone. Yeah cp might stop a pedo for awhile but we all know porn and masturbation ain't shit compared to real sexual contact. How long can someone be deprived before they try to act. I view pedos that "control" themselves the same as I do disgusting, seldomlaid nerds at a party where women are under the influence of alcohol. Sooner or later their gonna want to get theirs. It's human nature.

[Himu]

Acting like therapy is the cure all for pedophilia sounds a helluva lot similar to suggesting therapy to cure gayness.

[Broseidon]

I hate what the first thing in my head is when I read "CBT" 

[Himu]

and especially fuck that "two sides to every story" fake-ass definition of tolerance that demands we accept other people's bullshit behavior. thats not how it fucking works.

That's exactly how it works you piece of shit.

[Yulwei]

so... concentration camps for pedos?

[Shadow Mod]

I'm not acting like it's a cure.

Jesus fucking christ.

How is the answer to "I don't like consumption of child porn/pedophiliac material seek help" -> THERAPY DOESN'T CURE IT THOUGH.

Who the fuck is talking about a cure? I'm talking about hashing out the problem with a professional versed in mental health disorders and stress and depression. Fuck.

[StealthFan]

Acting like therapy is the cure all for pedophilia sounds a helluva lot similar to suggesting therapy to cure gayness.

Like I said. I believe pedophilia is a sexual orientation. The problem lies in the fact that the person you're attracted to is a prepubescent child that doesn't have the intellect to properly consent. Pedophiles can't help what they are just like gays can't help being gay (unless you're republican), or crazies can't help being crazy.

[Shadow Mod]

Acting like therapy is the cure all for pedophilia sounds a helluva lot similar to suggesting therapy to cure gayness.

Yea, that's pretty much what I think. I haven't done enough reading of studies re: translating porn fantasies into action so I won't go any further, but i my (limited) clinical experience when it comes to successfully curtailing aggressive sexual behavior pretty much the only thing that can be done is chemical suppression or castration. And if it's up to the person being castrated to administer the meds...

The only thing that can be done is...

So keep consuming porn!

[CatsCatsCats]

I don't think anyone was saying therapy or counseling would cure pedos.

What is being argued is whether creating loli porn is more detrimental to society than beneficial.

[Himu]

They cannot help their attraction. You cannot cure gays, you cannot cure pedophilia. Therapy may help, but it depends on the situation and circumstances I'm thinking. I'd rather give these people an outlet. Rapes and cheating rates have dropped dramatically with the rise of Tube porn. There is a reason. Yet you're not willing to give people who only have a singular means to express their sexuality outside of fucking an actual live kid. Do you understand cause and effect?

More than that, the crux of my argument is your treatment of them as freaks.

[CatsCatsCats]

They cannot help their attraction. You cannot cure gays, you cannot cure pedophilia. Therapy may help, but it depends on the situation and circumstances I'm thinking. I'd rather give these people an outlet. Rapes and cheating rates have dropped dramatically with the rise of Tube porn. There is a reason. Yet you're not willing to give people who only have a singular means to express their sexuality outside of fucking an actual live kid. Do you understand cause and effect?

More than that, the crux of my argument is your treatment of them as freaks.

Do you have any studies or statistics to back that up with? Seems like an assumption to me. Who's to say the availibility of such pornography doesn't open people up to exposure to it that could trigger stronger desires?

[Himu]

Acting like therapy is the cure all for pedophilia sounds a helluva lot similar to suggesting therapy to cure gayness.

Hey I didn't say it was! I just said it's certainly an option. Here's the big differences:

- Consenting adults.
- No one is harmed.
- They fully understand what they're doing.
- Kids can suffer a ton of turmoil due to this.

IT'S NOT THE SAME GODDAMN THING. Jesus himu, I'm sure your friend is cool and all. But just because he happens to be a pedophile doesn't change anybody's stance. Really, using homosexuality as a barometer here? You're better than that. A lot of us think that enabling is not a good way to handle it, so we're discussing what could help. Like I said earlier, you're a bit too emotional about this subject. So leave it alone if it's bothering you this much.

You can say that all you want, but 60 years ago people were neutered and given lobotomy's due to their homosexuality. Go to therapy and try to not be gay! He can't! He likes cock! Similarly, I can't not want to be a woman. It will always resurface. My only recourse are either hormones or suicide. Yet you're not willing to give pedos just some animu porn because it freaks you out.

[Himu]

They cannot help their attraction. You cannot cure gays, you cannot cure pedophilia. Therapy may help, but it depends on the situation and circumstances I'm thinking. I'd rather give these people an outlet. Rapes and cheating rates have dropped dramatically with the rise of Tube porn. There is a reason. Yet you're not willing to give people who only have a singular means to express their sexuality outside of fucking an actual live kid. Do you understand cause and effect?

More than that, the crux of my argument is your treatment of them as freaks.

Do you have any studies or statistics to back that up with? Seems like an assumption to me. Who's to say the availibility of such pornography doesn't open people up to exposure to it that could trigger stronger desires?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800610.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html

BBUBUBUBUBUB DON'T GIVE THEM AN OUTLET BECAUSE I AM distinguished mentally-challenged

[CatsCatsCats]

"BBUBUBUBUBUB DON'T GIVE THEM AN OUTLET BECAUSE I AM distinguished mentally-challenged"


Himu, do you see me disrespecting you with that kind of nonsense? If you can't have a civil discussion maybe you should go take a walk like Wrath said. You're being insufferable.

[StealthFan]

[Himu]

I am being insufferable because Positive pissed me the fuck off.

[brob]

Acting like therapy is the cure all for pedophilia sounds a helluva lot similar to suggesting therapy to cure gayness.

Yea, that's pretty much what I think. I haven't done enough reading of studies re: translating porn fantasies into action so I won't go any further, but i my (limited) clinical experience when it comes to successfully curtailing aggressive sexual behavior pretty much the only thing that can be done is chemical suppression or castration. And if it's up to the person being castrated to administer the meds...

The subject is not particularly well researched, I suspect people aren't falling over themselves to fund research potentially humanizing pedos.

[CatsCatsCats]

It doesn't do wonders for your position of treating everyone with compassion as human beings to lash out at someone because someone else pissed you off.

[Himu]

It doesn't do wonders for your position of treating everyone with compassion as human beings to lash out at someone because someone else pissed you off.

It sure as fuck doesn't.

[Shadow Mod]

Treat it like a sexuality it's not a fetish or even a fucked up thing, okay, let's do that.

How does porn work for those of us who aren't pedophiles?

[StealthFan]

Porns makes me fool good but then I sob gently in the shower every morning because I am so alone.

[Eli Gulgin]

If someone wants to fuck kids, they want to fuck kids. Going to therapy won't cure that just like it won't cure the gay. I think pedos should have their own (gated ) communities where they can live their lives and shit and not be around children.

There's always Miracle Village 

[radioheadrule83]

Can we give David Jaffe an account and ask him to chime in please?

[Rufus]

What if someone has psychopathic tendencies? What is their outlet?

As I understand it, psychopathic killers are actually in the vast minority among those with anti-social personality disorder(s). The 'outlet' for the law-abiding ones is being who they are, anti-social, superficially charming, manipulative, thrill-seeking, and whatever else that defines them.

The pedo colony far away from children is probably the most humane idea, but then how do you get people to give themselves up and spot those who won't? Besides the fact that simply being one isn't punishable by law.

[Himu]

I apologize for lashing out. It was unbecoming and not fruitful. However, it was a good opportunity to explore my anger. I need to work on that. Thank you for the opportunity to learn to be a more compassionate person.

[CatsCatsCats]

Girl, you know I got love for you. Find your way to PDX for a bowl on me anytime, I know it makes me less prone to anger!

[Shadow Mod]

I apologize for lashing out. It was unbecoming and not fruitful. However, it was a good opportunity to explore my anger. I need to work on that. Thank you for the opportunity.

You have a friend, I basically called them fucked up, it happens, sorry pedophilia and all that brings a lot out of me considering I know victims of child molestation and all sorts of other shit that went down elsewhere that I'm not getting into.

[Rufus]

Treat it like a sexuality it's not a fetish or even a fucked up thing, okay, let's do that.

How does porn work for those of us who aren't pedophiles?

Treating it like a sexual orientation, which all signs point to it being (unless for those traumatized by it who in turn act it out themselves) isn't saying that it's inherently good. Cool down, fuck.
We aren't solving this shit one way or another and nobody here dictates policy, it's a discussion. I think we're pretty much all on the same page that it's a) fucked up and b) should be managed somehow so that nobody gets hurt.

[Shadow Mod]

Treat it like a sexuality it's not a fetish or even a fucked up thing, okay, let's do that.

How does porn work for those of us who aren't pedophiles?

Treating it like a sexual orientation, which all signs point to it being (unless for those traumatized by it who in turn act it out themselves) isn't saying that it's inherently good. Cool down, fuck.
We aren't solving this shit one way or another and nobody here dictates policy, it's a discussion. I think we're pretty much all on the same page that it's a) fucked up and b) should be managed somehow so that nobody gets hurt.

I'm not saying others are saying it's inherently good. My point is, if we do go down that road, porn consumption is an obvious problem and not a valid coping mechanism.

[Atramental]

In my idealized future world I envision 2 things happening for pedos:
1) We (meaning scientists ) figure out a sure fire way to alter their brains so that they're no longer attracted to kids.
2) We (again, scientists/engineers ) develop virtual reality pods (ŕ la The Matrix) that the pedos are required to live in for the rest of their days. They'll be able to live out their sexual desires in those pods and no real children shall ever be harmed.

And please don't take me seriously on these two ideas because I'm pretty sure I was drinking when I thought them up.

[Rufus]

Well, we might actually get to a point where we could tell by looking at people's brains. Why not take the next logical step and futz around in there? :kanye That's a whole other ethical can of worms though.

I'm not saying others are saying it's inherently good. My point is, if we do go down that road, porn consumption is an obvious problem and not a valid coping mechanism.

OK, but is that actually true? I'm as intellectually lazy on the topic as most people, in that I haven't read papers on the subject (or a meta-analysis ideally), but I'm not sure that porn actually has the same effect on all of us. It could make them want it even more or it could calm their urges. Intuitively, either sounds possible to me.

[Positive Touch]

i know sure as shit that after i watch porn i have never thought "that was great; too bad i have no desire to have sex now"