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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6540 on: June 20, 2019, 05:02:29 AM »
A large segment of the US political class has wanted war with Iran for decades and has been pretty up front about it.
I'll be honest, the strategy gamer in me would like to close that gap in our imperial holdings so as to reduce the need to maneuver our units around it.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6541 on: June 20, 2019, 05:05:36 AM »
Iran needs to stop plundering the trade routes of the city states that we're suzerain of
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« Reply #6542 on: June 20, 2019, 05:13:34 AM »
STOP DEMANDING MY MUSIC IRAN, I WILL NOT HELP YOU OVERTAKE ME IN CULTURE

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6543 on: June 20, 2019, 05:25:20 AM »
Bolton recommends you bomb their theater square.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6544 on: June 20, 2019, 05:30:52 AM »
I just want them to stop trying to do espionage in my capital, I can't level up the spy there anymore

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« Reply #6545 on: June 20, 2019, 07:40:20 AM »
specifically about the claim that it was/wasnt over Iran airspace by the opposing sides.
That's pretty much what everyone says about everything that's ever been shot down. Probably dates back to the French-Prussian War at latest when the French sent up all kinds of useless balloons that tended to follow the wind instead of going where they wanted them to. IIRC, at one point during the Siege of Paris the French balloons were of more use to the Prussians because they'd drift over their lines and then the Prussians would interrogate the pilots, about the condition of the city, who obviously wouldn't get back to Paris until later. The Union and Confederate armies quickly stopped messing around with balloons in the American Civil War for much of the same reasons. Austria and France kept dabbling with them because Franz Joseph and Napoleon III were fanboys of them.

The Austrians were arguably the very first to try bombing from balloons, but they ran into a similar problem, at one point they loaded up like a hundred balloons with bombs to drop, and only one managed to do it, the wind blew all the rest back over the Austrians.

I read a whole lot of other sources and the US claims the drone was 17 miles from the Iranian border, the drone in question has a speed of about 320mph. I can see a scenario where the drone crossed over into Iranian space, Iran fired a missile, the drone punched it and got ended outside of Iranian airspace, making both claims technically true (Iran shot while they were in their airspace and the US got hit outside of it).

This is just such a weird piece of escalation to me, why fuck around and risk shit happening that would lead to US soldiers again in the ME against a country backed by Russia. What's the gain here? Was this a failed intimidation tactic or the start of a series of events to lure Iran into a war?
It's not real escalation. Border blasting of shit flying around has been a thing during all modern war. Everyone agrees to best maximize the propaganda value of it and then quietly settle things after. Since it's a drone a lot of the normal stuff is cut down, no bodies to recover, many drones are designed to crash on purpose at some point anyway, somebody gets to test their ability to shoot them down, etc.

The U.S. has much better ways of declaring a provocation requiring combat.
The reason I'm more worried about this is because it's Iran, when it comes to the ME, the US doesn't fuck around, even with flimsy motivations. I know they play these petty games in eastern Europe and Africa as well, but the chances of them ever doing something there is nil.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6546 on: June 20, 2019, 01:40:54 PM »


This isn't quite as good as the headline of the year but it's still pretty good.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6547 on: June 20, 2019, 01:52:10 PM »
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141754168488726528

Boris winning this on the advent of WW3 would be so on brand for him.
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« Reply #6548 on: June 20, 2019, 02:00:27 PM »
See you in just over a month (yes, you read that right) to know if the buffoon or the cunt won.

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« Reply #6549 on: June 20, 2019, 02:05:19 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)

This isn't quite as good as the headline of the year but it's still pretty good.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6550 on: June 20, 2019, 02:47:08 PM »
oh shit, this is the interview that got him temporarily detained
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« Reply #6551 on: June 20, 2019, 05:36:29 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)

This isn't quite as good as the headline of the year but it's still pretty good.

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« Reply #6553 on: June 21, 2019, 03:25:07 AM »
Could have at least go for no maam

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6554 on: June 21, 2019, 07:06:59 AM »
wait, the commander-in-chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is General Salami?



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« Reply #6556 on: June 23, 2019, 02:07:40 PM »
Erdogan seems to have taken notes from the Theresay May school of politics LMAO

https://twitter.com/laurapitel/status/1142840151309205510
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6557 on: June 23, 2019, 04:57:38 PM »
I'm not sure what Erdogan was thinking with that one. Obviously Istanbul mayoralty is a huge pulpit and springboard for national ambition (Erdogan is a former mayor of the city, after all), I understand why they didn't want to lose it but it's weird to waste so much political capital on a gamble.
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« Reply #6558 on: June 23, 2019, 05:37:15 PM »
Speaking of mayoral elections, France has jumped straight to pre-election maneuvering long in advance of the actual vote (unlike the European election, but that's a much more popular and important election). All of the mayors face polls on the same day, which the Germans find odd apparently.

Macron's party is obviously courting a number of mayors (mostly from the right wing Les Républicains who are in disarray after their European flop). Already 70 LR mayors signed an op-ed to say they were open to it. It's not just on their right, they're also probably throw their support to Lyon's mayor G.Collomb who is a former Socialist but he had already changed allegiance back before Macron's election, he was his first Minister of Interior. There's no confusion which side LREM has more affinities with.

As someone noted it's a bit of an implicit admission that LREM can't just suddenly grow grassroots by itself. As you may remember, the French National Assembly saw almost unprecedented level of personnel replacement and political débutants getting their first mandate but it hasn't really rejuvenated politics in France, the system already is biased to the President and Macron leant really hard on keeping as vertical as ever. LREM targets 10k local officials (from their current 2k) after the election.

Far right Rassemblement National is expected to consolidate his holdings and gain more cities (in a strategy called "radiation" by the party or "flooding" by others). I mentioned this before but the RN only has a dozen mayors or so (counting Béziers where the mayor Robert Ménard -yes, the co-founder of Reporters Without Borders- is non affiliated officially but has the backing of RN on the council) out of 36000 in France when the current agonizing Communist Party still has 750 or so. It never made inroads locally, almost never managed to win two mandates back to back in the half of dozen cities it had in the past. But it looks like the containment will break down alongside the decaying of the two former major parties.

A number of LR mayors, especially in the south-east, will probably go on the road of allying to RN to achieve majorities.

The Green party is still high off its results in the Euro election and has annoyed a lot of people by openly declaring they intend to win more cities by themselves and that basically being suppletives for the Socialist doesn't interest them as much. I mean it's not wholly unjustified but it's a bit of a crapshoot that the Euro election results will map to local elections.

Speaking of Socialist, the polls from Paris, that they are holding since 2001, are souring a bit as it seems the incumbent -Anne Hidalgo- could lose to any LREM candidate. It's vitally important for the PS they keep Paris (and not just for the optics of losing the most important city in the country) so they'll probably throw everything they could to the Greens to keep that alliance going.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6559 on: June 24, 2019, 02:01:36 AM »
Earth Dragon is one of the most ridiculous politicians currently in office, with the clowns walking around these days that's a low opinion

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« Reply #6560 on: June 24, 2019, 03:15:12 AM »
I'm not sure what Erdogan was thinking with that one. Obviously Istanbul mayoralty is a huge pulpit and springboard for national ambition (Erdogan is a former mayor of the city, after all), I understand why they didn't want to lose it but it's weird to waste so much political capital on a gamble.

Erdogan isn't a very intelligent man. He is emotional, short tempered, narrow-minded. His inability to see the big picture causes him to make lots of idiotic decisions. During the past decade he has replaced all of his capable advisors with yes-men and family members. It's only natural that he completely misjudged the situation in Istanbul. Even tough he has successfully consolidated his power, his idiocy has started to take a very real and palpable toll on the economic situation of Turkey. Erdogan's Turkey is ruled by corruption while the nation is doing a giant leap backwards in virtually all areas of life and suffering from a fantastic brain drain: Young and educated Turks are getting out in ever greater numbers. While this may actually be helping Erdogan temporarily (because much like himself, Erdogan's voters are not educated people), the damage to Turkey's future is immeasurable. This is not a smart ruler with a feasible long term strategy.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6561 on: June 24, 2019, 01:43:23 PM »
Would someone please think of muh democracy.


https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1142693235527180288

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« Reply #6562 on: June 24, 2019, 01:45:04 PM »
Would someone please think of muh democracy.


https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1142693235527180288
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"Did <insert candidate> really say that?"

And the answer is always:
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« Reply #6565 on: June 25, 2019, 09:53:46 AM »
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1143426734651564033

When telling the truth is considered "mocking".

(Not a clever thing to do when the person suffering from re tardation has the power to order military strikes, of course.)
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6566 on: June 25, 2019, 09:58:25 AM »
please have patience with our distinguished mentally-challenged fellow president
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« Reply #6567 on: June 25, 2019, 10:03:57 AM »
Can't the word filter make an exception for the medical term r e t a r d a t i o n?
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6568 on: June 25, 2019, 10:23:51 AM »
Yikes, y'all, I think it may be time to cancel the President of Iran.

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« Reply #6569 on: June 25, 2019, 12:48:31 PM »
He's bonking mad.
The interviewer tries to save him by moving on to the next question and he just continues rambling.

Perfect.

Also someone find a bus that Boris painted. I bet it looks really great.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6570 on: June 25, 2019, 02:07:21 PM »
That might be an issue if Joe Biden becomes president
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6571 on: June 25, 2019, 02:20:05 PM »
I'm surprised he paints passengers enjoying themselves and not "let's give 350 million to the NHS".

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6572 on: June 26, 2019, 09:24:45 AM »
Newly released, totally not staged promotional images of Boris Johnson and his significant other:


Someone on Twitter did this enhancement.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6573 on: June 26, 2019, 09:33:43 AM »
What do you mean. This clearly looks like a spontaneous moment, frozen in time for eternity by a paparazzi from 2 miles away.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6574 on: June 26, 2019, 09:39:11 AM »
Mow the lawn you lazy fuck.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6575 on: June 26, 2019, 09:56:50 AM »
Mow the lawn you lazy fuck.
This.
How can he be expected to lead a country when he can‘t even handle his back yard.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6576 on: June 26, 2019, 10:53:59 AM »
He took back control and fired his portuguese gardener, obviously.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6577 on: June 27, 2019, 07:00:44 AM »
Merkel again had the shakes during an event.
Is this gonna be one of those Mitterrand things of learning she had some sickness once she steps down ?
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6578 on: June 27, 2019, 07:11:31 AM »
Merkel having to step down would be a disaster for the CDU. That SPD/CDU coalition is hanging on by a thread.

I am not ready for a green chancellor, but people love preachy neolibs apparently. :stahp

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« Reply #6579 on: June 27, 2019, 07:26:40 AM »
GreenDU > CDU

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6580 on: June 27, 2019, 07:40:42 AM »
It‘s about the comfort of the status quo. :rage


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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6583 on: June 27, 2019, 03:01:38 PM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6584 on: June 27, 2019, 05:57:29 PM »
How's the campaign going Boris?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1144349707331919879

Still the front runner  8)
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6585 on: June 28, 2019, 01:10:21 AM »
bbc should never be censored

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« Reply #6586 on: June 28, 2019, 03:45:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/1144186105845051392

 :pitbull

They're going to need some more.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48807161

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The EU and South American economic bloc Mercosur have clinched a huge trade deal after 20 years of negotiations.

The deal aims to cut or remove trade tariffs, making imported products cheaper for consumers while also boosting exports for companies on both sides.

It is set to create a market for goods and services covering nearly 800 million consumers, making it the largest in the world in terms of population.


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« Reply #6588 on: June 29, 2019, 05:13:19 AM »
How's the campaign going Boris?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1144349707331919879

Still the front runner  8)

Good luck boris with renegotiating the brexit deal

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6589 on: June 29, 2019, 09:50:08 AM »
BAN DALAI LAMA

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« Reply #6590 on: June 29, 2019, 01:08:58 PM »
The fusion of :umad and :ufup that we needed.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6591 on: June 29, 2019, 01:57:43 PM »
The fusion of :umad and :ufup that we needed.


I'm getting more of a :ohyou vibe.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6592 on: June 29, 2019, 02:23:40 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/27/brexit-civil-servant-in-charge-of-no-deal-planning-quits

Another one in charge of sorting some aspects brexit out bails.

Although.

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Tom Shinner, 33, director of policy and delivery coordination at the Department for Exiting the EU, was in charge of coordinating the domestic policy implications of Brexit across government departments to ensure a smooth exit from the EU.

Put a 33yo in charge of something like this, bruvs :lol

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6593 on: June 29, 2019, 04:46:39 PM »
critical support to Assimilate's fash daddy for icing the neoliberal nepotism case

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« Reply #6595 on: June 30, 2019, 12:23:24 PM »
Did he really just step over the line and then back? :lol

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6596 on: July 01, 2019, 12:51:28 PM »
Nazis? In the BRD law enforcement apparatus? It's more likely than you think.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6597 on: July 01, 2019, 01:08:27 PM »
Oh so that's why Merkel was shaking rn

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« Reply #6599 on: July 01, 2019, 04:02:17 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48819260

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Jeremy Hunt has said he would decide by the end of September whether there is a "realistic chance" of reaching a new Brexit deal with the EU.

The Tory leadership contender said he would deliver a provisional "no-deal Brexit budget" in early September and then give the EU three weeks.

He vowed to abandon talks after that if there was no "immediate prospect" of progress and move to a no-deal footing.

His rival Boris Johnson has vowed to leave "come what may" by 31 October.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, Mr Johnson said it was important to have a "hard deadline" for leaving, adding that previous no-deal preparations had "sagged back down" after exit dates were not met.

At the same time, he said preparations for no deal would continue in earnest, and all leave for civil servants at government departments would be cancelled unless he received guarantees that no-deal planning was "on time and on track".

The foreign secretary also warned MPs against attempting to block a no-deal Brexit, warning it could make it harder to get a new agreement by giving the EU "misplaced confidence that we'll give ground".

He added that detailed preparation plans for no deal were needed to make it a "credible threat" to the EU, and give the UK "leverage" in the talks.

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