Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster  (Read 1291148 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
*reads Macron letter*
Not as bad as I thought let's see the closing argum....

Quote
A world-oriented Europe needs to look to Africa, with which we should enter into a covenant for the future, ambitiously and non-defensively supporting African development with investment, academic partnerships and education for girls.
What's with the globalist obsession of recolonizing Africa. What do they think China has been doing for the past 10 years? :confused
🤴

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47457477
Quote
Counter-terror police are investigating three packages containing explosives found at Heathrow Airport, London City Airport and Waterloo station.

The "small improvised explosive devices" were found in A4 postal bags, the Metropolitan Police said.

The force's Counter Terrorism Command is treating it as a "linked series" and "keeping an open mind" about motives.
WAS IT THE DRONE?!?

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
Much shock, such surprise, wow :doge

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47470382

Quote
Brexit negotiations "have been difficult" and "no solution has been identified" to the Irish backstop, the European Commission has said.

It comes after the latest talks between UK ministers and EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier in Brussels.

Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said the talks had taken place in a "constructive atmosphere" but there had been no breakthrough.

The UK is pushing for legally-binding changes to the EU deal.

Rufus

  • 🙈🙉🙊
  • Senior Member
https://threader.app/thread/1102551306525384704

Not news as such. Just some historical context on the German publishing industry that may shed some light on why we ended up with this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancillary_copyright_for_press_publishers and might end up with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market#Article_11 (and 13).


Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
At least Boris Johnson got a new haircut.
🤴

Dickie Dee

  • It's not the band I hate, it's their fans.
  • Senior Member
lol

___

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
Can't say I'm shocked, it was so predictable. I was discussing that with friends (british or not) just days after the vote - it's going to be an absolute shitshow, and they'll end up blaming the EU for it.
But having key government folks do that as there's little time left for them to sort their shit out is quite something, really :lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506145
Quote
Home Secretary Sajid Javid is facing criticism after the baby son of Shamima Begum died in a Syrian camp.

Ms Begum left London to join the Islamic State group aged 15. Mr Javid revoked her British citizenship when the teenager asked to return.
Damn, this story took an even darker turn real quickly.

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506145
Quote
Home Secretary Sajid Javid is facing criticism after the baby son of Shamima Begum died in a Syrian camp.

Ms Begum left London to join the Islamic State group aged 15. Mr Javid revoked her British citizenship when the teenager asked to return.
Damn, this story took an even darker turn real quickly.

Well that baby should have pondered his decision to be born into an ISIS womb.
That's the prize to pay so that we can allow the state to strip your citizen's rights with a pen stroke.
ὕβρις

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/uk-porn-block-comes-force-14091429
Quote
UK porn BLOCK comes into force next month - but a £5 ID card will buy you access
Is this how UK is hoping to prop up their economy post-Brexit? Making people by some ID vouchers at shops to watch porn?  :lol

Tripon

  • Teach by day, Sleep by night
  • Senior Member
Quote
Jerusalem (AFP) - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in full campaign mode ahead of April 9 polls, on Sunday said Israel "was not a state of all its citizens" in a reference to the country's Arab population.

The prime minister, in comments on Instagram, went on to say all citizens, including Arabs, had equal rights, but referred to a deeply controversial law passed last year declaring Israel the nation-state of the Jewish people.

"Israel is not a state of all its citizens," Netanyahu wrote in response to comments from an Israeli actress.

"According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people -- and only it.

"As you wrote, there is no problem with the Arab citizens of Israel. They have equal rights like all of us and the Likud government has invested more in the Arab sector than any other government," he said of his right-wing party.

As the comments caused waves in Israel, Netanyahu again spoke of the issue at the start of a cabinet meeting, making similar comments.

He called Israel a "Jewish, democratic state" with equal rights, but "the nation-state not of all its citizens, but only of the Jewish people".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-says-israel-not-state-citizens-130047783.html

That's some blatant racism right there.

team filler

  • filler
  • filler
israel is just another case of white people killing/oppressing brown people and stealing their land
*****

curly

  • cultural maoist
  • Senior Member
Everyone talks about how far US politics is to the right of Europe ([kara]only because they suckle on the imperial teat[/kara]) but Israel is a whole step further on the spectrum.

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
How is Bibi being indicted for bribery and fraud getting so little play in the media?
dog

Tripon

  • Teach by day, Sleep by night
  • Senior Member
How is Bibi being indicted for bribery and fraud getting so little play in the media?

Bibi's currently at the level before an official indictment in Israel according to a NPR podcast I listened to a week or two back.

Tripon

  • Teach by day, Sleep by night
  • Senior Member

Mandark

  • Icon
Everyone talks about how far US politics is to the right of Europe ([kara]only because they suckle on the imperial teat[/kara]) but Israel is a whole step further on the spectrum.

Bibi's son said Black Lives Matter "thugs" are more dangerous than neo-Nazis, which just about sums it up.

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
https://apnews.com/1abb7411af2d4b8bb2d202eedd480ff0
Quote
TORONTO (AP) — There’s no money, no sex and nothing illegal happened. This is what passes for a scandal in Canada.

U.S. President Donald Trump has been engulfed in allegations involving possible collusion with Russia and secret payments to buy the silence of a porn star. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a controversy that seems trivial by comparison, but it could topple him in elections later this year.

Two high-profile women ministers in Trudeau’s Cabinet, including Canada’s first indigenous justice minister, resigned in protest, and his top aide and best friend quit too.

The former justice minister and attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, says Trudeau and senior members of his government pressured her in a case involving a major Canadian engineering company accused of corruption related to its business dealings in Libya. Trudeau reportedly leaned on the attorney general to instruct prosecutors to reach the equivalent of plea deal, which would avoid a criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, because he felt that jobs were at stake.

“People south of the border would be astonished to think that this is the type of scandal that they have in Canada,” said Eddie Goldenberg, a former adviser to former Prime Minister Jean Chretien.
Quote
Opposition Conservative Andrew Scheer leader has demanded that Trudeau resign, saying he tried to interfere in a criminal prosecution. Canadian media have covered the story as intensely as American networks have covered Trump, noted Nelson Wiseman, a professor at the University of Toronto.
Quote
“He depicted himself as a feminist, as someone who believes in indigenous reconciliation, and then you have two of his top female Cabinet ministers resign, and they are depicting him in a very different light,” Beland said.

Trudeau said he tried to foster an environment where his lawmakers can come to him with concerns, but one of his female Liberal party colleagues, Celina Caesar-Chavannes, took issue with that, tweeting, “I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?”

“When you add women, please do not expect the status quo. Expect us to make correct decisions, stand for what is right and exit when values are compromised,” she also tweeted.

Caesar-Chavannes, who is not running for re-election, has issued messages of support for Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, a respected Cabinet minister who said she lost confidence in how the government has handled the affair.

“It is a fundamental doctrine of the rule of law that our Attorney General should not be subjected to political pressure or interference regarding the exercise of her prosecutorial discretion in criminal cases,” Philpott wrote in the resignation letter to Trudeau.
:cancry

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
I posted the same question in the shit thread but it's probably more appropriate here though no less rhetorical I suppose : If everyone agrees that humanitarian relief is urgently needed in Venezuela, shouldn't it be at least possible to negotiate some sort of UN mandate for that, with some guarantees of aid being distributed "evenly" or by the UN itself so as to be as politically neutral as possible (since obviously Russia or China would only agree with strong guarantees of no interference) ?

The UN is sending a delegation to observe human rights compliance, if I am to believe their site, but that's maybe something they can do on their own.
ὕβρις

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
The Maduro Government has a history of letting foot aid just rot in warehouses and stuff. I'm not sure they, nor the opposition, are entirely up to the task of distributing the aid really. I'm also not sure anyone wants to defend the logistics depending on how the situation on the ground degrades. Russia and China might be willing to do it to prop up their investment but then you get the other vetoes against it.

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
US doesn't want Russians or Chinese that close to their borders so they won't agree with a UN mandate.
Russia and China don't want the US smuggling weapons and troops across the border to aid the resistance. So they block attempts from the US to do anything.

Also China and Russia like it when things go south in America's backyard. It's good propaganda material.
The EU would have to organize a meeting in Brussels to discuss and agree on what was discussed and decided at their last meeting.
But they won't do much unless Washington takes point. And Washington at this point isn't capable of much.

This is a problem for the US to solve and everyone knows it. So they're just sitting on the sidelines with popcorn until Bolton and Pence convince Trump it is time to bring democracy and freedom unless he wants to look weak.
Once it goes wrong (and it might) they can blame the US for the disaster that unfolds.

I'm only half joking when I say that Clinton would've had Maduro sodomized in a ditch by lunch time 3 weeks ago.
Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If he waits this out the new guy might not be able to unseat Maduro and the people will doubt that the US will help them.
If he goes in he risks a new quackmire especially because the life expectancy of resistance leaders is well, short.

It has already been discovered that Richard's trucks were hit by Molotovs from protestors and weren't set on fire by the Maduro regime 'on purpose'.
🤴

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
Arms exports soaring.  :itagaki
Main markets are the Indian subcontinent, Oceania and the lMiddle East + North Africa. China exports stagnating but their imports are down and they're probably focused on arming themselves with less reliance on foreign partners.

Algerian presidential election pushed back as protests continue and a hundred (edit : a thousand) judges were about to pledge their refusal to rubber-stamp the process.

The Prime Minister is set to leave apparently and Bouteflika has rescinded his candidacy.
:rejoice
« Last Edit: March 11, 2019, 02:57:35 PM by VomKriege »
ὕβρις

shosta

  • Y = λ𝑓. (λ𝑥. 𝑓 (𝑥 𝑥)) (λ𝑥. 𝑓 (𝑥 𝑥))
  • Senior Member
Time to invade Tunis and restore the Almohad caliphate!
每天生气

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
They're still not out of the woods : the election has been postponed. A reporter for Jeune Afrique said the Bouteflika clan already floated similar ideas 6 months ago to some opposition figures (postponing or having Bouteflika immediately announces a one year transition to a new regime / president upon election) as they weren't completely unaware of the legitimacy issues you have with a weak, feeble possibly impaired 80+ president that is invisible. That journalist also said the police clearly decided from the start they would allow the protests : you decide whether it's because they wanted to or reckoned they couldn't oppose it.

The figureheads are down but the system is still there and obviously trying to figure how to rebrand itself enough to stay in place.

Still, it was gained peacefully and it seems it's the end of long apathetic / depression state for Algerians.
ὕβρις

shosta

  • Y = λ𝑓. (λ𝑥. 𝑓 (𝑥 𝑥)) (λ𝑥. 𝑓 (𝑥 𝑥))
  • Senior Member
Does Algerian news get a lot of play in French media because it's part of the Francophone world?
每天生气

VomKriege

  • Do the moron
  • Senior Member
Does Algerian news get a lot of play in French media because it's part of the Francophone world?

Yes. That, colonial history, a large contingent of people having roots there / double nationality / immigrants and it being just next door.
ὕβρις

https://apnews.com/1abb7411af2d4b8bb2d202eedd480ff0
Quote
TORONTO (AP) — There’s no money, no sex and nothing illegal happened. This is what passes for a scandal in Canada.

U.S. President Donald Trump has been engulfed in allegations involving possible collusion with Russia and secret payments to buy the silence of a porn star. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a controversy that seems trivial by comparison, but it could topple him in elections later this year.

Two high-profile women ministers in Trudeau’s Cabinet, including Canada’s first indigenous justice minister, resigned in protest, and his top aide and best friend quit too.

The former justice minister and attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, says Trudeau and senior members of his government pressured her in a case involving a major Canadian engineering company accused of corruption related to its business dealings in Libya. Trudeau reportedly leaned on the attorney general to instruct prosecutors to reach the equivalent of plea deal, which would avoid a criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, because he felt that jobs were at stake.

“People south of the border would be astonished to think that this is the type of scandal that they have in Canada,” said Eddie Goldenberg, a former adviser to former Prime Minister Jean Chretien.
Quote
Opposition Conservative Andrew Scheer leader has demanded that Trudeau resign, saying he tried to interfere in a criminal prosecution. Canadian media have covered the story as intensely as American networks have covered Trump, noted Nelson Wiseman, a professor at the University of Toronto.
Quote
“He depicted himself as a feminist, as someone who believes in indigenous reconciliation, and then you have two of his top female Cabinet ministers resign, and they are depicting him in a very different light,” Beland said.

Trudeau said he tried to foster an environment where his lawmakers can come to him with concerns, but one of his female Liberal party colleagues, Celina Caesar-Chavannes, took issue with that, tweeting, “I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?”

“When you add women, please do not expect the status quo. Expect us to make correct decisions, stand for what is right and exit when values are compromised,” she also tweeted.

Caesar-Chavannes, who is not running for re-election, has issued messages of support for Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, a respected Cabinet minister who said she lost confidence in how the government has handled the affair.

“It is a fundamental doctrine of the rule of law that our Attorney General should not be subjected to political pressure or interference regarding the exercise of her prosecutorial discretion in criminal cases,” Philpott wrote in the resignation letter to Trudeau.
:cancry
Why are they hand waving a corruption scandal like it's nothing? Incidentally funny to think that Trudeau, Macron and Merkel were meant to be the face of the Liberal order in a post Trump world and all three got completely fucked within like a year. I wonder who The Economist is gonna recommend idolising next.

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
Why are they hand waving a corruption scandal like it's nothing? Incidentally funny to think that Trudeau, Macron and Merkel were meant to be the face of the Liberal order in a post Trump world and all three got completely fucked within like a year. I wonder who The Economist is gonna recommend idolising next.
On the flip side no one has ever wasted a political revolution as much as Trump and Bannon did when they won the 2016 election.

Well, maybe the Brexiteers did.  :doge
🤴

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Quote
To the women of Russia, Putin said in a state TV address: "You manage everything at work and at home and stay beautiful, bright, and charming."

"We, men, must say frankly that it is not always easy for us to be worthy of you," he said.

"But we will be striving for that and do everything for the women to feel our strong reliable shoulder, to feel that we always appreciate and love you, and not just on holidays.

"My best greetings on International Women's Day. This spring day is always full of flowers and gifts, lit up with the joy of our women and your shining smiles."

Putin also praised the ability of Russian women "to cope with everything at work and take care of the family."


Quote
During the event he suggested some ways women could “maintain” their figures.

“What does a young woman need to maintain her figure? Three things: a workout machine, a masseuse and a suitor,” he said.

According to The Moscow Times he also told the police officers that their presence on patrol saved some people “because those who wish to die by suicide look at you and want to live again”.


Quote
When a Russian army recruitment office ordered a photoshoot to celebrate International Women’s Day, it didn’t feature any of the 45,000 women currently serving in the country’s armed forces.

Instead, the photos showed ballerinas in floaty white dresses posing with active servicemen in combats and machine guns. “The men’s power lies in women’s tenderness and love!” read a congratulatory note from the army office, based in Russia’s fourth-largest city of Yekaterinburg.

Looks like Theresa May is about to lose big again in her Brexit deal vote

Edit:

Quote
May's Brexit deal defeated

Withdrawal Agreement Debate

House of Commons

Parliament

Theresa May's Brexit deal has been defeated in the Commons by 391 votes to 242, a majority of 149.

There we go
« Last Edit: March 12, 2019, 03:27:36 PM by Kunai With Chain »

shosta

  • Y = λ𝑓. (λ𝑥. 𝑓 (𝑥 𝑥)) (λ𝑥. 𝑓 (𝑥 𝑥))
  • Senior Member
Forget the second referendum. Brexit's cancelled.  :D
每天生气

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
🤴

Funny thing is I bet she still won't quit after this.

Cerveza mas fina

  • I don't care for Islam tbqh
  • filler
Lmao

Second referendum should be 2 options:

-Leave EU with No Deal
-Stay in EU

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
May put these options forward:
- No Deal Brexit vote (if rejected there won't be a no-deal brexit)
- Article 50 extension vote (but that requires consent from the EU27)
- A second referendum on the May deal (not Brexit itself)

CLOWNWORLD  :birb :bowsette


🤴

Cerveza mas fina

  • I don't care for Islam tbqh
  • filler
The may deal is basically "be the eu's bitch deal"

Follow all our rules, pay money to have access to single market, have no say in EU

I like it, but its not really brexit is it   :lol

jorma

  • Senior Member
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1105554896965652480

 :rofl

they put the quotation marks in the right place, because those are the only words from the tweet he actually said

Tripon

  • Teach by day, Sleep by night
  • Senior Member
Status quo is hoping for more time so uh, some decision gets made.

Occam

  • Senior Member
There is no point in postponing it, nothing is going to change.
Britain's government consists of the second most stupid people on the planet.
504

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
:rofl

https://twitter.com/retalsp/status/1105769876017344512

I wonder if he'll be sticking two fingers up to the locals during his holiday in Austria :thinking

Occam

  • Senior Member
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." (Every country has the government it deserves)
-Joseph de Maistre

Also, shouldn't they start planting potatoes right about now instead of leaving for a vacation in Australia?
504

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." (Every country has the government it deserves)
-Joseph de Maistre

Also, shouldn't they start planting potatoes right about now instead of leaving for a vacation in Australia?


Occam

  • Senior Member
Oops, I misread. How embarrassing.
504

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
MPs don't want a no deal either :yeshrug

Not exactly by a massive majority, as expected :lol

Quote
The government motion, as amended, was passed by 321 votes to 278, a majority of 43, reinforcing the message that MPs do not want to leave without a deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995


edit: another minister resigned :lol
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 06:54:20 PM by Raist »

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
WELCOME TO MR. BONES NEVER ENDING RIDE
There will be no deal

There will be no further talks in Brussels

There will be no hard brexit

There will be no second referendum

There will be no leadership bid

There will be no general election

WELCOME TO MR. BONES NEVER ENDING RIDE
🤴

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47558676

Quote
Theresa May voted against the government’s amended motion ruling out a no-deal Brexit (Maidenhead, Conservative)

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Tripon

  • Teach by day, Sleep by night
  • Senior Member

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
"And then, and then... they said we'll give them anything because german cars and british cakes XD"


Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
So the commons has voted FOR a 3 months extension

But not thanks to the tories
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1106271836495642624

So now May has to go to the EU and tell them they want a 3 months extension and the EU might say. LMAO no.
🤴

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
I'm sure those 3 extra months will totally be different from the past 33 where the UK government and MPs haven't been able to do more than arguing about who's the worst.

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
New Brexit deal:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[close]
©@©™

Rufus

  • 🙈🙉🙊
  • Senior Member
Tusk is willing to give them a year to get their shit together. Well, he's willing to try and convince the member states. :doge

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tusk/eus-tusk-floats-long-brexit-delay-before-summit-idUSKCN1QV14U

Occam

  • Senior Member
It would be idiotic to grant Britain any delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
The EU has all the power right now. Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
504

Raist

  • Winner of the Baited Award 2018
  • Senior Member
Quote from: Rufus
Tusk is willing to give them a year to get their shit together. Well, he's willing to try and convince the member states. :doge

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tusk/eus-tusk-floats-long-brexit-delay-before-summit-idUSKCN1QV14U

Well, EU governments are really starting to get annoyed, with various degrees of severity. Not that I'd blame them :lol

Quote
Germany losing faith but keen to help

France will demand tough conditions

Poland says anything but No Deal

Netherlands waits and hopes for the best

Italy says: 'Tell us what you want'


Bunch more details for each country: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47557216


I don't understand why they don't just vote to cancel Brexit.

But muh will of the people.

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
It would be idiotic to grant them a delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
Tusk is playing it smart. The Brexiteers portray the EU as a dictatorship that imposes their will on the poor UK.
It'll be hard playing the victim if they get a year delay when they asked for 3 months.

If they forced the UK's hand now they'd be 'the bad guys' and it would rally the UK to the Brexit cause again.
Now we'll likely see May leave once this delay is secured(because she's dead in the water politically), general elections and an entirely new ball game.
May would get the blame of this whole mess.
🤴

Occam

  • Senior Member
It would be idiotic to grant them a delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
Tusk is playing it smart. The Brexiteers portray the EU as a dictatorship that imposes their will on the poor UK.
It'll be hard playing the victim if they get a year delay when they asked for 3 months.

If they forced the UK's hand now they'd be 'the bad guys' and it would rally the UK to the Brexit cause again.
Now we'll likely see May leave once this delay is secured(because she's dead in the water politically), general elections and an entirely new ball game.
May would get the blame of this whole mess.

So what?
504

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
It would be idiotic to grant them a delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
Tusk is playing it smart. The Brexiteers portray the EU as a dictatorship that imposes their will on the poor UK.
It'll be hard playing the victim if they get a year delay when they asked for 3 months.

If they forced the UK's hand now they'd be 'the bad guys' and it would rally the UK to the Brexit cause again.
Now we'll likely see May leave once this delay is secured(because she's dead in the water politically), general elections and an entirely new ball game.
May would get the blame of this whole mess.

So what?
The brexit sentiment is alive and well in more of Europe.
Just last week I watched a debate in the Netherlands were the second and third largest parties backed the idea of 'Nexit' (Netherlands leaving the EU).

The brexiteers hate to admit this, but they're 'globalists' as much as their opposition is.
🤴

Occam

  • Senior Member
The best way to keep other members from exiting the EU is to let Britain crash and burn (which is 100% self-inflicted), or to come back with its tail tucked between its legs.
Last I heard, approval of the EU was at an all-time high among the remaining members.

Edit:
There you go: Poll shows support for EU at 35-year high across bloc
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-election-poll-idUSKCN1IO2SP
« Last Edit: March 15, 2019, 03:34:21 AM by Occam »
504