Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 1688373 times)

Sman · « **Reply #13080 on:** October 20, 2023, 12:56:21 AM »

Himu and Nintex dancing around each other in this thread.

I want the cage match.

Kevtones · « **Reply #13081 on:** October 20, 2023, 01:54:12 AM »

Where did everyone go? I’ve been busy.

Anyway, from cursory reading:

1) Israel has attempted peace talks in 93, 95, 00, 07, 09 and very briefly in 2020. The PLO and then Hamas rejected it every time.

2) Hamas rules over the Palestinian people. Most Palestinians do not like Hamas because Hamas treats them like collateral damage and pawns to a greater purpose. Hamas is not allowing them to leave.

3) Hamas firmly believes that Israel and the Jewish people should be eradicated. They are analogous to Nazis.

4) Hamas killed 1400 innocent Jews on 10/7 in horrific fashion.

5) Hamas has spent the last two years taking all the Iran-money and aid meant for their people and used it to plan this attack (this is from their leadership).

6) Turning off the water is effective because Hamas took the water pipes meant for their infrastructure and used it to build rockets.

7) A hospital parking lot was bombed and 10-50 people died. Both sides contradict but the US says it was a Palenstine Jihad group and Hamas has already been caught in death toll, nature and location lies.

Various western media outlets TRUSTED Hamas blindly. A terrorist group without fact checking whatsoever.

9) Hamas is holding 200 or so hostages.

Yes, Israel has not been perfect at all but holy fuck what the hell is wrong with the left right now? Like, Resetera especially is implicitly trusting and seemingly siding with Hamas despite them being a terrorist group and functionally believing in trans-genocide as a creed.

Tell me what I’m missing?

Himu · « **Reply #13082 on:** October 20, 2023, 02:16:47 AM »

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1715161786943410554

Of course.

@kevtones - I'm not left at all and after the beheaded babies lie I do not trust anything from Israel. "Israel hasn't been perfect" sure fucking hasn't. I think it's fair to support the people of Palestine and not Hamas. Israel is a fascist authoritarian state. They've brought this on themselves.

Meanwhile the administration wante to take every single opportunity to suck Jewish sausage. At least it's kosher.

Himu · « **Reply #13083 on:** October 20, 2023, 02:21:46 AM »

Absolute unhinged lunacy.

https://twitter.com/yopasta/status/1715194880245502110

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1715207459458162945

FYI: I have been reading One Piece since 2004. If WWIII happens I won't get an ending.

Kevtones · « **Reply #13084 on:** October 20, 2023, 02:48:47 AM »

Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:16:47 AM

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1715161786943410554

Of course.

@kevtones - I'm not left at all and after the beheaded babies lie I do not trust anything from Israel. "Israel hasn't been perfect" sure fucking hasn't. I think it's fair to support the people of Palestine and not Hamas. Israel is a fascist authoritarian state. They've brought this on themselves.

Meanwhile the administration wante to take every single opportunity to suck Jewish sausage. At least it's kosher.

Beheaded babies was a lie? When was that confirmed? Also, Hamas used their GoPros and killed a bunch of babies, is that enough?

If Israel removed Hamas from Palestine, wouldn’t that be in Palestine’s favor? I see the word ethnic cleansing tossed around haphazardly right now (not by you), but that is specifically not happening here. However, that is very much the doctrine of Hamas’ desire. Jewish eradication. There is no conceivable way that Hamas is the future of Palestine.

Anyway, that’s why a ceasefire is such a fucking joke. That’s what Israel did two years ago and Hamas planned their 9/11.

Himu · « **Reply #13085 on:** October 20, 2023, 02:53:48 AM »

Multiple outlets walked it back. Israel has cut off water and electricity in Gaza. They are war pigs.

Why can't that fucking country defend themselves? Why do we have to support them?

https://twitter.com/sovereignbrah/status/1712986929548165423

This exactly.

Himu · « **Reply #13086 on:** October 20, 2023, 03:10:49 AM »

Kevtones I've seen so much Israel propaganda and SUPPORT US BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST my entire life that I no longer care about that country or their fight.

https://twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1712632433651167445

https://twitter.com/pacifistlib/status/1712636333171355885

Leave them to their fate. Why should we be dragged in?

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #13087 on:** October 20, 2023, 05:13:06 AM »

Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:21:46 AM

FYI: I have been reading One Piece since 2004. If WWII happens I won't get an ending.

wow, stay safe

Himu · « **Reply #13088 on:** October 20, 2023, 05:26:32 AM »

you too. Read One Piece during the hard times, man.

team filler · « **Reply #13089 on:** October 20, 2023, 05:49:27 AM »

people like kevtones really fall for stuff like the "40 decapitated babies" propaganda and are confused that not everybody is so gullible.

did he also believe in the lie that that got the U.S. into the gulf war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

"Iraqis murdered kuwaiti babies in incubators"

it's the same playbook, but they threw in a "this is israel's 9/11!" on top

it's the most ridiculous lies at this point and there should not be surprise when people are not buying in anymore

Nintex · « **Reply #13090 on:** October 20, 2023, 03:22:09 PM »

I watched the GoPro videos, what Hamas did was terrible and what their foreign agents and marxist sympathizers are doing to our society is even worse.

Biden is right, we need to set our political differences aside and fight for freedom.

You may not agree with what is happening but that is exactly why we must win. Like Rumsfeld said, who do you want to lead the world if not us?
In the last few years we've seen what a world ruled by China, Saudi Arabia and Russia would look like if we take a step back. No rule of law, no decency, no humanity.

We need to crush these Hamas clowns with all our power to avenge the poor souls they murdered and free Palestine from their grasp.
Only when Hamas is destroyed can there be peace. They are like ISIS, pure evil. There is no other word for it.

After World War 2 we said "never again" with regards to the Holocaust, when you look at all the hatred for the jews that has shown itself in recent days this moment right now is "never again".
When you remove pamphlets of missing people, trash memorial sites and cheer the massacre that took place at a music festival, you should go and join your friends in Iran and stay the hell out of our society.

Himu · « **Reply #13091 on:** October 20, 2023, 03:39:27 PM »

Fighting for Israel is fighting for freedom? In what world? They have cucked my country and aren't even a real ally. They ignored Egyptian intelligence despite having Mossad, they didn't let their army engage, and allowed those innocents to be killed. Israel allowed this to happen on their watch. And we have to fight for them? Why? Because of some pact almost 100 years ago? Fuck them. Leave them their fate.

Never again? That's on you. It's not America's problem. Defend your own damn selves.

Himu · « **Reply #13092 on:** October 20, 2023, 04:14:01 PM »

Quote from: team filler on October 20, 2023, 05:49:27 AM

people like kevtones really fall for stuff like the "40 decapitated babies" propaganda and are confused that not everybody is so gullible.

did he also believe in the lie that that got the U.S. into the gulf war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

"Iraqis murdered kuwaiti babies in incubators"

it's the same playbook, but they threw in a "this is israel's 9/11!" on top

it's the most ridiculous lies at this point and there should not be surprise when people are not buying in anymore

Given:

1. The Iraq War
2. The Gulf War
3. The War on Terror
4. Abu Ghraib

I'm just naturally skeptical any time of western wars in Muslim nations. Almost always any time we interfere things are worse and less stable whether it's Gaddafi and Libya or Saddam and Iraq which always leads to worse outcomes like the forming of ISIS. Saddam didn't fly one plane into the America. Saudi Arabia funded it and they now we are trying to be buddy buddy with those Jawas.

team filler · « **Reply #13093 on:** October 20, 2023, 04:27:29 PM »

https://twitter.com/BISBAAS_/status/1715186634906308700

Himu · « **Reply #13094 on:** October 20, 2023, 04:32:29 PM »

She's lucky she's not wearing clothes that say,"Press" or else he'd lock iron sights at her head. Good thing she's not an American journalist, maybe people would care then.

Nintex · « **Reply #13095 on:** October 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM »

Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 03:39:27 PM

Fighting for Israel is fighting for freedom? In what world? They have cucked my country and aren't even a real ally. They ignored Egyptian intelligence despite having Mossad, they didn't let their army engage, and allowed those innocents to be killed. Israel allowed this to happen on their watch. And we have to fight for them? Why? Because of some pact almost 100 years ago? Fuck them. Leave them their fate.

Never again? That's on you. It's not America's problem. Defend your own damn selves.

Look at the demographics of the Middle East over the past few decades, what happened to the Christian minorities? The Yezidis, the Jews? What is happening to the Kurds?

Do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran will stop after they destroy Israel? These are not honorable Mujahideen but butchers, terrorists and criminals.
If the free world does not help (and thankfully Israel can handle much of the fighting itself) and offer support and allows itself to be undermined by bad actors the consequences will be terrible.

The Israelis aren't happy with their government and there is a good argument that Bibi should be removed from office but that is what the Democratic institutions are for.
All Hamas has done since taking over Gaza in 2005 is breed terrorists, arm terrorists and deny the people of Gaza the bright future a vibrant coastal city could provide.

Himu · « **Reply #13096 on:** October 20, 2023, 05:02:00 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on October 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM

Look at the demographics of the Middle East over the past few decades, what happened to the Christian minorities? The Yezidis, the Jews? What is happening to the Kurds?

Do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran will stop after they destroy Israel? These are not honorable Mujahideen but butchers, terrorists and criminals.

Thanks to western colonialism. So you ask us to meddle even more. Yet every time we meddle, the region gets more and more extremist and far away from classical Islam. Funny!

Guess we should send more money to the Saudis so they can spread that vile Salafism even further.

team filler · « **Reply #13097 on:** October 20, 2023, 05:29:59 PM »

the west worked hard to destabilize and prop up brutal tyrants all over the middle east. this is the end result.

the west is not in the business of installing good leadership in these countries. it's preferred they fall in line with what western interest want and beat their citizens into submission.

the same has been happening all throughout south america and africa. any time the people tried to rise up, it's always stomped out from the support the west gives to the opposition. which is usually made up of the worst, most selfish people in any given country. the types who would have 99% of their country living in poverty so long as they get to be in power and all the benefits that come with it.

team filler · « **Reply #13098 on:** October 21, 2023, 06:19:04 AM »

https://twitter.com/propandco/status/1715666899193749677

"why don't you trust mainstream media? not everything is a conspiracy!"

Himu · « **Reply #13099 on:** October 21, 2023, 09:12:29 AM »

Remember that zion-ists are not loyal to America but Israel.

Also people are being fired for supporting Palestine. Zion-ists are flexing their power and there's nothing you can do about it.

Nintex · « **Reply #13100 on:** October 21, 2023, 09:36:21 AM »

The Israelis were backing the Abraham accords, it was relatively peaceful in the region.

In fact, the biggest fight was in Israel itself between Bibi and his political opponents.
But Iran and Hamas feared a Saudi/Israeli partnership and decided that it was time to close down any path to peace.

Kushners proposal has been looked at with renewed interest as it was a great deal for all involved. Including infrastructure and high tech industries.
If the jew haters would not be so blind Gaza could be a thriving coastal city. It takes special skill to fuck up a coastal city. Really special skill.

They'd rather yell death to Israel from their shit hole than actually develop the area into a viable state. That's why Hamas doesn't deserve a state.

Israel is a testament to our efforts to help those in need. In a short time a vibrant and free state has been created in an area that used to be a desert.
Siding with Hamas is pure insanity. They don't care about what happens to you, they'd probably hang you from a crane or slit your throat just for fun.
And even if you don't care about Israel or any of it, this isn't good for the economy or trade. It just slows down the post-COVID recovery like the Ukraine war did.

Hamas fucked up with this attack simple as. And all the jew haters are doing is showing their true face and throwing fuel on the fire while many countries are using diplomacy to free the hostages and prevent further escalation.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #13101 on:** October 21, 2023, 01:25:47 PM »

Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 05:02:00 PM

Quote from: Nintex on October 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM
Look at the demographics of the Middle East over the past few decades, what happened to the Christian minorities? The Yezidis, the Jews? What is happening to the Kurds?

Do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran will stop after they destroy Israel? These are not honorable Mujahideen but butchers, terrorists and criminals.

Thanks to western colonialism. So you ask us to meddle even more. Yet every time we meddle, the region gets more and more extremist and far away from classical Islam. Funny!

Guess we should send more money to the Saudis so they can spread that vile Salafism even further.

Given its been a heavily militarily contested region for the 4,000 odd years of history we know about and 'western colonialism' accounts for less than the last hundred years, I suspect this is probably not true.
Also given that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are literally all splinter sects of the exact same religion, I also don't think any kind of theocracy is going to settle into a peaceful equilibrium.

Luckily the people who make the claims that everything wrong is all [faction] or [people]'s fault never have to prove that, as it is impossible to disprove!

Himu · « **Reply #13102 on:** October 21, 2023, 10:51:28 PM »

https://x.com/ImranMuneerTMM/status/1715417767615025304

That's my man

Mashaa Allah

Himu · « **Reply #13103 on:** October 22, 2023, 01:33:15 AM »

I cannot believe this is NYT. The longer this goes on the more friends Israel loses.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1715779992838176780

benjipwns · « **Reply #13104 on:** October 22, 2023, 02:32:17 AM »

Quote from: team filler on October 20, 2023, 05:29:59 PM

the west worked hard to destabilize and prop up brutal tyrants all over the middle east. this is the end result.

the west is not in the business of installing good leadership in these countries. it's preferred they fall in line with what western interest want and beat their citizens into submission.

the same has been happening all throughout south america and africa. any time the people tried to rise up, it's always stomped out from the support the west gives to the opposition. which is usually made up of the worst, most selfish people in any given country. the types who would have 99% of their country living in poverty so long as they get to be in power and all the benefits that come with it.

Oh, come on, you're smarter and more skeptical than this. These countries being ruled by thugs isn't the West's doing. This isn't to excuse or endorse the West's installation of specific thugs due to blinded statist/socialist thinking, but it's nonsense to think the absence of Western "destabilization" would mean a world covered in liberal democracies.

It's just a refashioning of the White Man's Burden if you claim the rule of thugs in a world where thugs have almost always ruled is evidence of "Western destablization" and active external suppression of the people, you're supporting not undermining the justification for Western intervention globally. You even slipped yourself as if "installing good leadership" was not just possible but warranted.

benjipwns · « **Reply #13105 on:** October 22, 2023, 02:35:47 AM »

Quote from: Himu on October 22, 2023, 01:33:15 AM

I cannot believe this is NYT. The longer this goes on the more friends Israel loses.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1715779992838176780

https://twitter.com/esmeraldamadx/status/1715780276863816148

Himu · « **Reply #13106 on:** October 22, 2023, 04:14:31 AM »

https://abcnews.go.com/US/detroit-synagogue-president-found-stabbed-death-home/story?id=104197780

Not cool. May she be at peace. Ameen.

Himu · « **Reply #13107 on:** October 22, 2023, 08:56:38 AM »

Repeat after me: fuck Israel.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CymPk5VLXgl/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==

And of course the Zion-ists must censor and smear.

From the words of the Imam:

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Update: @meta really had the audacity to mark this as false information when it is not only verified news, but Justin Amash (a former congressman) lost family in the attack. Even lsrael has admitted to this one. Your "independent fact checkers" need to be checked @meta lsrael just bombed the 3rd oldest church in the world murdering a few more scores of Palestinians. For those of you still in denial of a genocide, we have community members with 30-40 relatives wiped out in Gaza. It's not just Muslims, it's everything and everyone Palestinian.

Nintex · « **Reply #13108 on:** October 22, 2023, 09:23:11 AM »

Quote from: Himu on October 22, 2023, 08:56:38 AM

Repeat after me: fuck Israel.

Himu · « **Reply #13109 on:** October 22, 2023, 04:52:40 PM »

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/22/funeral-slain-detroit-synagogue-president-00122914

Updates on the Detroit Jewish victim. Sounds like a wonderful woman who pushed Jewish and Muslim relations. So far as I've read no leads on a perp

Nintex · « **Reply #13110 on:** October 22, 2023, 05:52:34 PM »

From the river to the sea

Anti-semites as far as the eye can see

Himu · « **Reply #13111 on:** October 22, 2023, 06:20:38 PM »

Through all of this the geriatric is at the beach.

Himu · « **Reply #13112 on:** October 22, 2023, 08:24:57 PM »

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-tells-gazans-move-south-or-risk-being-seen-terrorist-partner-2023-10-22/?utm_source=reddit.com

Fuck Israel. If this world were just and America cared about "democracy" as much as we state we would do to Israel what we did to Iraq and it would be deserved. But nope. Gotta side with literal war criminals because muh Holocaust who are committing another Holocaust.

It's great seeing Israel get the reparations black Americans deserved.

benjipwns · « **Reply #13113 on:** October 22, 2023, 09:55:55 PM »

Quote from: Himu on October 22, 2023, 08:24:57 PM

If this world were just and America cared about "democracy" as much as we state we would do to Israel what we did to Iraq and it would be deserved. But nope.

If the "world were just" the United States, country of the West, would intervene in the Middle East and invade a democracy to install a democracy (after a long non-democratic occupation) that would elect the same people while wasting billions in wealth and numerous lives?

Himu · « **Reply #13114 on:** October 22, 2023, 10:30:26 PM »

Argh.

Nintex · « **Reply #13115 on:** October 23, 2023, 03:15:28 AM »

If the jews were gone they'd just continue with the regularly scheduled Sunni/Shia war or whatever. The Middle East is like a garden every season we have to weed it but sometimes there is a blight or ant plague that requires more drastic measures.

It's more worrying that lots of Muslim migrants living in the west and useless left wing morons are promoting and supporting the very same ideas like segregation, anti-semitism, jihad, teenage pregnancies and arranged marriages. Most of which ruined their own countries.

Himu · « **Reply #13116 on:** October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM »

What's the pertinence of the Middle East in this topic? It's not even the most populous Muslim region.

Arab nations were fine before colonialism. Your "weeding" things out has only caused more damage. You've got balls to say "we" when really it's American might and power that supplies your European testosterone. You say "we" but it will be Uncle Sam that supplies those boots on the ground. Like most Europeans you're all talk. Europe lost her religion, became soft, cling to atheism, and now you wanna bitch. Heh. Sorry that the Muslims are the only ones getting things done where the soft Christians failed.

If not for the Europeans meddling in affairs Jews and Muslims would still have fairly close relations. Remember that at the end of the day is was Christian Europe that committed the Holocaust, started two world wars, and more. Not USA, not Muslims...Also, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, had no trouble with Jews mostly until the creation of Israel. Another colonialist British move. How convenient.

benjipwns · « **Reply #13117 on:** October 23, 2023, 06:28:49 AM »

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM

Arab nations were fine before colonialism.

So we're talking about, what, the 16th Century at the latest?

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM

Sorry that the Muslims are the only ones getting things done where the soft Christians failed.

If not for the Europeans meddling in affairs Jews and Muslims would still have fairly close relations. Remember that at the end of the day is was Christian Europe that committed the Holocaust, started two world wars, and more. Not USA, not Muslims...Also, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, had no trouble with Jews mostly until the creation of Israel. Another colonialist British move. How convenient.

Speaking of convenient, are they getting things done or are they helpless victims being divided and driven to centuries of hatred by the West?

You have made a lot of noise and fury about your opposition to progressives the last couple years, but as I keep pointing you, then you bite at every low hanging bait social justice warriors like Nintex throw out with the same red meat ad hoc chest beating agency denial they do.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven · « **Reply #13118 on:** October 23, 2023, 08:36:33 AM »

The Ottoman Empire was fine before 'colonialism'

Himu · « **Reply #13119 on:** October 23, 2023, 02:59:05 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2023, 06:28:49 AM

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
Arab nations were fine before colonialism.
So we're talking about, what, the 16th Century at the latest?

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
Sorry that the Muslims are the only ones getting things done where the soft Christians failed.

If not for the Europeans meddling in affairs Jews and Muslims would still have fairly close relations. Remember that at the end of the day is was Christian Europe that committed the Holocaust, started two world wars, and more. Not USA, not Muslims...Also, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, had no trouble with Jews mostly until the creation of Israel. Another colonialist British move. How convenient.
Speaking of convenient, are they getting things done or are they helpless victims being divided and driven to centuries of hatred by the West?

You have made a lot of noise and fury about your opposition to progressives the last couple years, but as I keep pointing you, then you bite at every low hanging bait social justice warriors like Nintex throw out with the same red meat ad hoc chest beating agency denial they do.

19th and 20th centuries in particular which helped fuel the creation of extremist sects such as Salafism/Wahhabism. Are Muslims to blame for the spread of it? Absolutely, especially Saudi Arabia, but my critique of western countries criticizing Muslim countries which they colonized for centuries and then wondering "why are they like this?" still stands. This complete disregard, lack of reading the room that western countries employ in their will to control the world repeatedly is self creating process. The War on Terror is Exhibit E at this point. It's the west, if anything, that lacks agency in its crimes and it continuously points a proverbial finger after shoving it in peoples ass and yelling at them for having the audacity for making their finger smelly.

Hm, fair critique but a result of confusion as I'm talking about completely different things. "Getting things done" is referencing American Muslims. I'm making fun of how Christians live in a so-called Christian nation but they complain all the time about their cultural relevance. They say America and the western world were born of Christian values (which is questionable, especially during and post-enlightenment) while at the same time complaining we've lost our way as they also highlight how free to do what they want. If you promote a hyper individualistic society you get a hyper individualistic society yet conservatives and Christians are mad about this despite claiming it's the society they created. You see this all the time among the western American and European nationalists and conservatives. On one hand,"it's only in the west where people can marry whom they want, if you tried that in the middle east you'd be thrown off a building" and then the other,"they are destroying the family" or "we live in a society of nihilism" as they lose the cultural tide to purple-haired lesbians and nihilistic atheists. Meanwhile, Muslims are their last line of defense repeatedly on several fronts as they fight nationalist/conservatives battles for them including things like teaching LGBTQ Pride in schools. Examples include here and here. You can use Piers Morgan as the perfect example of the conflict in interest. Muslims in America and the west live a completely different life than Muslims elsewhere, especially the ones in Palestine, Iraq, and more. It's two different contextual circumstances based on culture and region. It's also a fairly complicated issue.

You should just ask me to expound rather than cast aspersions which just naturally makes me guarded and defensive and then discussion doesn't happen further because you're just pointing out "you're this" "you're that" instead of just simply asking what I meant. Work on your communication.

Himu · « **Reply #13120 on:** October 23, 2023, 03:21:41 PM »

As for colonialism in the context of Israel as a college professor you should know about the Balfour Declaration which is a direct result of those beans on toast people doing the most brazen shit when they owned half the world that modern day is still dealing with. So your 16th century remark makes you look dumb, which I know you're not, or insincere and not wanting to discuss in good faith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Quote from: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 23, 2023, 08:36:33 AM

The Ottoman Empire was fine before 'colonialism'

True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

Nintex · « **Reply #13121 on:** October 23, 2023, 04:33:00 PM »

https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1716544803339436237

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President Joe Biden interrupts his speech, saying he needs to head to the situation room, and he states, “I have to go to the situation room. There’s an issue I need to deal with.”

Rumor is Vladimir Vladimirovich has kicked the proverbial bucket.

team filler · « **Reply #13122 on:** October 23, 2023, 11:16:46 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #13123 on:** October 23, 2023, 11:26:42 PM »

WTF happened?

benjipwns · « **Reply #13124 on:** October 24, 2023, 12:41:19 AM »

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 02:59:05 PM

You should just ask me to expound rather than cast aspersions which just naturally makes me guarded and defensive and then discussion doesn't happen further because you're just pointing out "you're this" "you're that" instead of just simply asking what I meant. Work on your communication.

The fucking irony.

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 03:21:41 PM

As for colonialism in the context of Israel as a college professor you should know about the Balfour Declaration which is a direct result of those beans on toast people doing the most brazen shit when they owned half the world that modern day is still dealing with. So your 16th century remark makes you look dumb, which I know you're not, or insincere and not wanting to discuss in good faith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Quote from: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 23, 2023, 08:36:33 AM
The Ottoman Empire was fine before 'colonialism'

True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

Sorry, my bad for ignorantly and insincerely thinking colonialism predates the 20th Century, you obviously know so much more and can trace everything to a post World War I decision by the only global powers to fill a gap. I concede my inability to discuss in good faith the peaceful paradise of unity that predated 1919.

Just one more thing... what non-Arab Empire (that invited Jewish settlement) collapsing led to the British and French mandates in the region?

team filler · « **Reply #13125 on:** October 24, 2023, 01:10:15 AM »

vladdy P just died, benj. show some tact

Himu · « **Reply #13126 on:** October 24, 2023, 02:17:31 AM »

Vladdy gonna miss out on the GTAVI trailer.

Jeez Benji. Feisty. Mraow.

benjipwns · « **Reply #13127 on:** October 24, 2023, 03:06:13 AM »

Quote from: team filler on October 24, 2023, 01:10:15 AM

vladdy P just died, benj. show some tact

Call me when it's Vlade Divac.

team filler · « **Reply #13128 on:** October 24, 2023, 03:45:04 AM »

leave the greatest lakers center of all time out of this

Sman · « **Reply #13129 on:** October 24, 2023, 01:08:26 PM »

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True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

So the Middle East can be under the domination of a foreign power, as long as it's "Muslim"?

Himu · « **Reply #13130 on:** October 24, 2023, 03:34:48 PM »

Quote from: Sman on October 24, 2023, 01:08:26 PM

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True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

So the Middle East can be under the domination of a foreign power, as long as it's "Muslim"?

I retract.

Ottomans were flawed. I was just being cheeky.

benjipwns · « **Reply #13131 on:** October 25, 2023, 01:58:38 AM »

Quote from: Sman on October 24, 2023, 01:08:26 PM

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True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

So the Middle East can be under the domination of a foreign power, as long as it's "Muslim"?

You're not supposed to just say it, you want them to find their way to it on their own.

Nintex · « **Reply #13132 on:** October 25, 2023, 04:37:19 PM »

The GOP has a new speaker endorsed by Trump, he's going to get a bill to the floor ASAP in support of Israel.

Bibi has announced a date for the attack on Hamas has been set but won't elaborate further.

The mission of the IDF is to free the hostages and defeat Hamas once and for all.