Haven't seen any of the MS crew pimping IE lately...

[Human Snorenado]

...wonder if this could be why?

http://gizmodo.com/new-vulnerability-found-in-every-single-version-of-inte-1568383903

VAN CRUNCHEON EXPLAIN

[Madrun Badrun]

Can't pimp when you got no bitches. 

[Phoenix Dark]

It took years to get my parents to stop reflexively using IE, which always resulted in spyware I had to deal with.

[Himu]

People use IE?

[Raban]

IE is my main browser. Come at me, bros

[Raban]

[Human Snorenado]

I used to make my mom use IE when she had to use my computer. Now I'm not even that cruel- she gets to use Firefox.

[Great Rumbler]

IE is literally Satan.

[Human Snorenado]

Worst opinions of any human being ever. Raban was just trying to convince me that its best to play ARPG's with a controller instead of a keyboard + mouse about an hour ago.

 

[recursivelyenumerable]

 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

more like

Internet Exploder

[recursivelyenumerable]

FWIW, apparently this exploit fails with Enhanced Protected Mode turned on (or in Metro IE which has the equiv of EPM always on). Originally 8.1 turned it on by default on desktop too but that was reversed in an update unfortunately (it breaks some addons).

[MCD]

IE11 is a beast. Metro version especially.

[Human Snorenado]

IE11 is a beast. Metro version especially.

Shhh. You're in the trust tree. You can speak freely here.

[Himu]

IE is my main browser. Come at me, bros
(Image removed from quote.)

Enjoy your viruses!

[Himu]

Worst opinions of any human being ever. Raban was just trying to convince me that its best to play ARPG's with a controller instead of a keyboard + mouse about an hour ago.

THIS NEVER HAPPENED. I will not belieeeeeve.

[Tasty]

I'm gonna back Raban on the controller thing, but since I have no idea what I'm talking about, it'll probably just hurt his case.

[MCD]

IE11 is a beast. Metro version especially.

Shhh. You're in the trust tree. You can speak freely here.

I use IE11 and FF. Both are excellent and do the job for me.

[Momo]

Playing an ARPG with a controller over kb/m is like pushing a mining cart filled with coal uphill using your dick when you have perfectly good hands.

[Himu]

I wouldn't say it's that bad. It's not better than using kbm but my time with torchlight demo on 360 was fine.

[Raban]

I'm gonna back Raban on the controller thing, but since I have no idea what I'm talking about, it'll probably just hurt his case.

first of all get your pronouns right, nicca even the lady at the DMV gets it right
second of all nothing you say is gonna hurt my case, I've already beat it to a bloody pulp. I rarely ever prefer KB+M over controller when it comes to video games. Hell I'm the kinda person that's just waiting for tablets to put the traditional PC to death so I never have to touch another god-forsaken keyboard again. Thumbs > fingers as far as quick, reliable input is concerned.

[Himu]

You use index finger all the time on tablets. What are you, a neanderthal?

[cool breeze]

to be fair the baldur's gate dark alliance games played better on a game pad

[recursivelyenumerable]

Yeah, I use all 10 fingers with tablets - it feels delightfully decadent to scroll by puckishly flicking your pinkie or whatever.

speaking of which, the back gesture in IE10/11 is the best thing ever, or at least it WAS but I think the fucking spring GDR did something to it that makes it less sensitive and thus less reliable to trigger. yet ANOTHER thing for me to hate about that dream-destroying update

[Himu]

weren't those made for console to begin with?

[Tasty]

We are talking about action RPG's, right?

[Himu]

We are talking about action RPG's, right?

[benjipwns]

to be fair the baldur's gate dark alliance games played better on a game pad

X-Men Legends and related might too.

[Tasty]

We are talking about action RPG's, right?

(Image removed from quote.)

I can't imagine a kb/m making Chrono Trigger more enjoyable.

[Himu]

I AM HAVING AN ANEURYSM

[recursivelyenumerable]

Apparently ARPG among PC-centric gamers means "Diablo clone"? I don't get it either. 

To me an ARPG was always something like Secret of Mana or whatever.

[Himu]

Action rpg is like Diablo. An rpg with a hack and slash element. CARPG would be a better name to not confuse console people, but alas.

Secret of Mana is still an arpg.

[benjipwns]

games work best on the controls for which they were designed

Proof or ban.

[CatsCatsCats]

games work best on the controls for which they were designed

This. Basically the argument quickly becomes "well this game is awesome and it uses x, so x is better" when in reality either can be perfect for the design of a game. I can certainly see why someone would prefer a game pad over kb/m for simplicity and comfort. The 360 pad is just so good, it's beautiful

[Rufus]

games work best on the controls for which they were designed

Shooters will always be better to control with a mouse though. It's a pointing interface. For aiming, you can't get a much better fit than that, really.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Novint Falcon could have added something meaningful, but that predictably didn't take off, so...

[close]

[Brehvolution]

IE is my main browser too

spoiler (click to show/hide)

...for Project Accounting and CRM because they are the only supported browser

[close]

[Raban]

games work best on the controls for which they were designed

Shooters will always be better to control with a mouse though. It's a pointing interface. For aiming, you can't get a much better fit than that, really.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Novint Falcon could have added something meaningful, but that predictably didn't take off, so...

[close]

I dunno, shooters that place more emphasis on movement rather than aiming (i.e. games that were designed on console like CoD, Halo, etc.) tend to be really boring and easy with mouse controls. It wasn't until I played them on a controller that they really made sense.

Conceptually I agree with you, but many modern FPS aren't designed around the insanely high precision of a mouse.

[Joe Molotov]

Shiternet Excrementer

[Phoenix Dark]

Baldur's Gate DA was indeed dope on a controller/console. However it's a pretty short game; I beat it in about a day iirc. I can't imagine playing it for 100 hours with a controller.

[Himu]

I dunno, shooters that place more emphasis on movement rather than aiming (i.e. games that were designed on console like CoD, Halo, etc.) tend to be really boring and easy with mouse controls. It wasn't until I played them on a controller that they really made sense.

Conceptually I agree with you, but many modern FPS aren't designed around the insanely high precision of a mouse.

(Image removed from quote.) why don't you just turn the difficulty up

For some reason raban seems allergic to higher difficulty modes. She was saying Diablo 3 is boring so I was like turn the difficulty up, normal is lame. And it took some effort before she listened to me! Turned the difficulty up and now she likes D3!

And shooters - At least in multi - are about aiming as much as movement. When you're fighting a duel with a guy who is doing a jump fest (I.e. strafing and jumping to be in an unpredictable movement pattern) you need to move in a similar manner while also having precise aiming before he gets you. Aiming is equally as important as movement in fps. Third person shooters are more about movement than aiming. You must be confused.

[Tasty]

Wiimote > kb/m

[Momo]

Wiimote > Nothing
Everything > Wiimote

[Cascade]

Wiimote > kb/m

[Himu]

Wiimote > kb/m

Christ.

[Rufus]

Wiimote+, yes, standard Wiimote, no. Provided the re-sync is fast for when you inevitably wander off the screen. Lightguns were cool, too.

Point is, even a touchscreen is better than a stick. Driving the reticule to a point on the screen is just crap.

[Phoenix Dark]

Wiimote > kb/m

this brought back memories of Johnny Nighttrain

fun times

[Himu]

Wii's lightgun game renaissance was fab.

But the only rail shooter was SP2.

[cool breeze]

Wiimote > kb/m

I remember when people argued that the wii remote is better because the acceleration and deceleration re-centering the cursor made it more cinematic than mouse aiming 

[Himu]

Wiimote isn't really better than KBM in any way. My hand got tired for a bit pointing at the screen while playing Resident Evil 4 of all games. Never mind the fact that pointing with the wiimote is a finicky and unreliable thing, forcing you to sometimes aim below the tv just to see a cursor.

[Phoenix Dark]

Can one really evaluate the quality of the WiiMote as a means of control when there's nothing to play with it?

wise words

[Dickie Dee]

RE4 Wii was pretty fucking dope :

[Tasty]

Wiimote+, yes, standard Wiimote, no. (Image removed from quote.) Provided the re-sync is fast for when you inevitably wander off the screen. Lightguns were cool, too.

Point is, even a touchscreen is better than a stick. Driving the reticule to a point on the screen is just crap.

Wiimote+ sucks. IR forever.

[Rufus]

But, precision.

[Human Snorenado]

I am seriously considering locking this thread and having everyone who posted in it killed

[Phoenix Dark]

Leper Triumph if he's suggesting Baldur's Gate DA is trash

[Himu]

BGDA isn't even that good.

Gosh I could really go for a D&D game.

[Tasty]

But, precision.

IR is more precise.

Bow in Twilight Princess >>>>>>> Bow in Skyward Sword

Constant calibration

[Tasty]

Tablets are obvious the best way to play for RTS.

[Phoenix Dark]

be glad I don't abuse children, Andrex.

[Momo]

Further participation in this thread will certainly result in :



for all involved. abort.