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Is Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn worth it if you already own Awakening?

It won't baby you through the entire thing like Awakening does, for one.

I liked it a lot, but it's one of the more fairly difficult of the localized FEs (due to actual difficulty and not cheap shit like Awakening's Lunatic mode).

Kara

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You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

The only things that outrage me are the appropriation of surplus value by the bourgeoisie and the continued impotence of the League of Nations in the face of European aggression; I was merely explaining why some people might be outraged by that particular scene. I expect seabed trawling from Game of Thrones every time I fire up an episode and have no delusions about that.

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"Greyjoys and Boltons in general are sadistically evil fucks" is a message given quite early and often by show and books alike.  The show dwells on this redundant mustache-twirling-while-fucking-a-puppy-you-set-on-fire villainy LESS than the books.

This is what I'm talking about.  The books go to great lengths to hammer this point home in horrible ways like we can't get it otherwise.  It's almost like Martin going for nothing else than shock value with these (he is, PD is wrong about this).  Hell, both the show and the books have a gangraped that is actually treated as a punchline.  Several times!

"so gritty! so real! leave a woman in a group of evil mens and of COURSE rape will happen!"
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So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

In the book, Dany consents. It's another change for the sake of change. What you're saying actually lends a point in his favor.

No, it doesn't. This is not a book vs. show discussion, nothing to do with the book at all. The differences from the book are neither here nor there, the Ramsay marriage is a WHOLE lot milder in the show than in the book. And Vularai does not appear to be a book reader, your comment is not relevant here.

It's exactly my point though. GoT has shown itself to use the female characters for the purpose of rape even if the story doesn't call for from episode 1, and this is the third female character on the show raped in a major way. How do you know people didn't have an issue with Dany getting raped on episode 1? I know someone who couldn't finish it the episode because of that very thing. People had an issue with Jaime raping Cersei just last year. How are you going to ignore this when there's a precedence? Maybe people thought they could ignore the forced shock scenes because the rest of the shows quality was up there? This season, from most reports, sucks - even from tv only watchers - so it only makes sense that a tepid, boring season combined with forced shock would only outrage people even more. Your whole argument makes no sense.
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Van Cruncheon

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martin's a pulp hack, anyhow. i mean, i enjoy internets debates as much as the rest of you queens, but you might as well argue over inconsistencies in magic spellz across the wheel of time series, brehs
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Niccas should read Busiek's Conan run for the pulp :lawd
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So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

In the book, Dany consents. It's another change for the sake of change. What you're saying actually lends a point in his favor.

No, it doesn't. This is not a book vs. show discussion, nothing to do with the book at all. The differences from the book are neither here nor there, the Ramsay marriage is a WHOLE lot milder in the show than in the book. And Vularai does not appear to be a book reader, your comment is not relevant here.
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Which, btw, is where I think the people attempting to apply feminist theory to the show (the complaints about agency) are going wrong. Yes, the focus is not on Sansa's reaction, but the scene is actually meant as character development for Theon, not Sansa, and I'm not sure why people are missing that. Honestly, I feel like people are too quick to try to fit everything into mental frameworks these days. Sometimes you have to step back from your analytical framework of choice and see if there's another way to look at something that might be more illuminating.
Sorry, I haven't paid much attention to this at all (don't watch the show, because the cheese factor was too high, seeing it acted out by real people), but isn't that the core of that particular complaint? Sounds like a legitimate reading. Or are you just being sarcastic?
« Last Edit: May 21, 2015, 10:11:46 AM by Rufus »

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I wish more people got raped in game of thrones. Particularly i hope for the midget to be raped.


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That's the entire point, Walrus. Read what you just said: girl is raped but the character development isn't even for her, but for a completely different character. Using rape as a character development method is already pretty deplorable. Concentrating on Sansa shows that the rape affects HER. Why does the show have to use rape as a thing to show how it affects Theon? If that's the case, why does it have to be rape?
« Last Edit: May 21, 2015, 03:37:55 AM by Queen of Ice »
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There's a lot to be said for atmosphere. The book rape just continues the feeling of horror you get when you read any chapter featuring Ramsay.

If anything, the show version didn't work because it wasn't distinctive at all. The book rape is actually really interesting because you have Ramsay telling Theon to get the girl warmed up, Theon objecting that he has no dick, Ramsay telling him to use his tongue, something with a dog being involved, etc. IIRC this is also when you learn that Theon's dick was cut off, so that adds to the horror. The show version was just your standard rape. Sure, it reinforces that Ramsay is a bad man, but it's not interesting at all. The only interesting part is the closeup of Theon's face. Which, btw, is where I think the people attempting to apply feminist theory to the show (the complaints about agency) are going wrong. Yes, the focus is not on Sansa's reaction, but the scene is actually meant as character development for Theon, not Sansa, and I'm not sure why people are missing that. Honestly, I feel like people are too quick to try to fit everything into mental frameworks these days. Sometimes you have to step back from your analytical framework of choice and see if there's another way to look at something that might be more illuminating.

Aside from it not being that interesting of a rape, it wasn't very well executed. No real buildup to it; it kind of comes out of nowhere. I think some buildup, some foreshadowing, or maybe some misdirection (like making you think Sansa might have softened Ramsey's baser nature) would have helped the scene tremendously.

>rape
> "interesting"

Uhh

This entire post scares me
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If after being mutilated and subjected to abject, sustained, and sadistic privation Theon still needs something to light a fire under his ass to bite back at Ramsay my suspension of disbelief is stretched passed its breaking point. This is a show with fucking dragons to boot.

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That's the entire point, Walrus. Read what you just said: girl is raped but the character development isn't even for her, but for a completely different character. Using rape as a character development method is already pretty deplorable. Concentrating on Sansa shows that the rape affects HER. Why does the show have to use rape as a thing to show how it affects Theon? If that's the case, why does it have to be rape?

In this case or overall as a method of character development?
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164662302&postcount=35

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I wish more people got raped in game of thrones. Particularly i hope for the midget to be raped.

You can't rape the willing.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164643801&postcount=61

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Just like with Pokemon stuff, Nintendo could probably make good money producing some actual Splatoon clothing. I'd buy an Ika shirt totally.

Also the "people-like squids" are pretty hilarious:



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Also the "people-like squids" are pretty hilarious:

They look completely insane.

Man. They'd probably make a lot of money selling XS and XXXL shirts, yeah.

And it would indeed be hilarious seeing a grown man in a shirt like that.
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Maxim Hot 100 thread locked?

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Maxim Hot 100 thread locked?

I don't get it. Hot 100 is super tame.

:nsfw TRIGGERED  :nsfw
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Taylor Swift too hot to handle. FOR YOU.





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i thought objectification was good  :huh

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Pretend that Sansa was ever anything more than an object in GoT brehs
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Fuck man I don't get how people are so salty about graphical fidelity on consoles of all things.
Like dudes legit take that shit to heart as if it should offend them on a real deep, personal level.

I can't relate.
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Console gamer entitlement.  :sabu
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That's coded in the DNA of fanboys though. All the way back to the 16 bit generation.


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Maxim Hot 100 thread locked?

I don't get it. Hot 100 is super tame.

Those women aren't animated though  :wag

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Maxim Hot 100 thread locked?

I don't get it. Hot 100 is super tame.

Those women aren't animated though  :wag
Nor appear as 12 though canonically 1,000
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agrajag

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So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

In the book, Dany consents. It's another change for the sake of change. What you're saying actually lends a point in his favor.

No, it doesn't. This is not a book vs. show discussion, nothing to do with the book at all. The differences from the book are neither here nor there, the Ramsay marriage is a WHOLE lot milder in the show than in the book. And Vularai does not appear to be a book reader, your comment is not relevant here.

It's exactly my point though. GoT has shown itself to use the female characters for the purpose of rape even if the story doesn't call for from episode 1, and this is the third female character on the show raped in a major way. How do you know people didn't have an issue with Dany getting raped on episode 1? I know someone who couldn't finish it the episode because of that very thing. People had an issue with Jaime raping Cersei just last year. How are you going to ignore this when there's a precedence? Maybe people thought they could ignore the forced shock scenes because the rest of the shows quality was up there? This season, from most reports, sucks - even from tv only watchers - so it only makes sense that a tepid, boring season combined with forced shock would only outrage people even more. Your whole argument makes no sense.

You can't say "that is exactly my point," and then proceed to type up a paragraph that only has a weak tangential relation to what you quoted. Who made you the arbiter  of what the story calls for and what it doesn't? The show writers thought the story called for whatever scenes they put in. You can say that about any aspect of the show.

You could say that about Ramsay chopping off Theon's dick and then suggestively eating and waving a sausage around. Were you outraged? Where was the outrage on GAF? Oh right, there wasn't any. Only countless reaction GIFs. When a man is tortured and mutilated, it's funny.

Where was the outrage during the red wedding? During the multiple beheadings throughout the show? How about outrage over the completely gratuitous, hamfisted and superfluous scene of the Mountain butchering random peasants ("me bad guy, me kill for fun")? Because we really needed to establish what a brute Sir Gregor was with a scene like that.

Viserys getting liquid metal poured over his head in season one? A pregnant lady being stabbed in her stomach? A little kid getting thrown out of a window? But no, Jamie is a beloved character, the only thing that turned viewers against him was a dubious rape scene that the producers may or may not have intended to be a rape scene. Throwing kids out the window is a-OK.

Now lastly, you are bringinng up an anecdotes of your friends not being ok with Dany's treatment in season one and whatnot, but I use social media and I've read GAF throughout the show's duration. There has never been an uproar of this caliber about any particular scene in the show other than Jaime raping Cersei. Now that scene really was unfortunate, because whether they intended it or not, it came off as rape and thus changed Jaime's character. Ramsay's behavior is completely and unequivocally par for the course, and the story does call for that, because side-stepping it would be silly and unusual for the show.

Make no mistake: this season sucks, but Ramsay being Ramsay has little to do with it.

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So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

In the book, Dany consents. It's another change for the sake of change. What you're saying actually lends a point in his favor.

No, it doesn't. This is not a book vs. show discussion, nothing to do with the book at all. The differences from the book are neither here nor there, the Ramsay marriage is a WHOLE lot milder in the show than in the book. And Vularai does not appear to be a book reader, your comment is not relevant here.
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forum pro-tip: Once you engage in a discussion that involves multiple nesting replies, no one gives a fuck anymore.


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Brehs, I just don't want to get spoiled because I'm still reading the books at my own pace and haven't started the show yet  :stahp

Now can you please take it to its own thread thats still on page 1

agrajag

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OK, I'm done with the GOT argument, sorry brehs. I wanted to vent about dumb Gaffers, but apparently many of the same sentiments are reflected here.

Kara

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164679942&postcount=59

How DARE they lie.

What does the Society for Cutting Up Men have to do with console downgrades? ???

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The show is shit, the book is shit.
Deal with it feggits.

Back on to more important issues. Like the decimation of the gaming industry through carefully worded PR lies.
It's literally worse than Hitler.
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The show is shit, the book is shit.
Deal with it feggits.

Back on to more important issues. Like the decimation of the gaming industry through carefully worded PR lies.
It's literally worse than Hitler.

Shut the fuck up  :ufup
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OK, I'm done with the GOT argument, sorry brehs. I wanted to vent about dumb Gaffers, but apparently many of the same sentiments are reflected here.


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feggits got their own thread
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Himu

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OK, I'm done with the GOT argument, sorry brehs. I wanted to vent about dumb Gaffers, but apparently many of the same sentiments are reflected here.

Venting about gaffers is so 2000's
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The show is shit, the book is shit.
Deal with it feggits.

Back on to more important issues. Like the decimation of the gaming industry through carefully worded PR lies.
It's literally worse than Hitler.

Shut the fuck up  :ufup



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Kara

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force the poors to eat costco hot dogs and costco hot dogs only

agrajag

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OK, I'm done with the GOT argument, sorry brehs. I wanted to vent about dumb Gaffers, but apparently many of the same sentiments are reflected here.

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Yeah, she probably did look like that when Ramsay was doing his thing.

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http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1049673
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Dude is a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Is a bum supposed to sleep next to Costco? Does Costco even accept EBT? I guess he'll do nothing but eat fucking hotdogs and drink soda all goddamn month.

EDIT: Not to mention a goddamn membership fee. Or use an AMEX card? ffs that is just so stupid.
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force the poors to eat costco hot dogs and costco hot dogs only

Let them eat bakes.

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force the poors to eat costco hot dogs and costco hot dogs only
The poor don't do enough to deserve the greatness that is the CostCo Hot Dog.  :drool


Kara

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force the poors to eat costco hot dogs and costco hot dogs only

Let them eat bakes.

Costco historical food court puns. The Bore, I live for this.

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Who the fuck is starving to death in America in 2015? Almost no one, get the hell out of here with that.

studyguy

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Real question is how many dudes are out here nearly dying from thirst.
It's a worldwide epidemic if you look at instagram.
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Real question is how many dudes are out here nearly dying from thirst.
It's a worldwide epidemic if you look at instagram.