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[mormapope]

I haven't watched TWD in years but people rarely complain that it's boring. Is it?

Every time I've peaked my head in the Gaf season threads for the show there is a lot more negative talk than positive talk. Its felt that way since Season 3 and maybe Season 2.

[VomKriege]

The lesson for me is that movies are a superior format to TV shows on pretty much all accounts.

 

The Sopranos in its entirety is essentially hour long movies taking place in the same universe using the same characters. David Chase and the writers had this as a goal, where each episode has its own themes and arcs. I'd rather watch a Sopranos episode on the fly compared to most movies.

EDIT : And Games of Thrones is meh anyway, for the little I inflicted myself.

The pay off for sticking with a TV show is much higher than any movie comparatively. Ask fans of The Shield and Six Feet Under how they felt about the series finale for either respective show.

Yeah, well, of course I have watched and enjoyed a number of shows over the years. It has been very rare though to see the huge pay offs, because of the production constraints of this format. Ultimately, I never found a show being able to match the aesthetic qualities of a good movie and very few being that much more compelling story-wise (to me less is often more).

But yeah, not really a question of talent anyway.

EDIT : And Games of Thrones is meh.

[StealthFan]

The overall point is that because you CAN show, does not mean you SHOULD. And yeah, I fucked up on that '. WHOOPS!

Mad Max Fury Road takes place in an R rated setting that stars a sexual slaver villain and not once is there a rape scene because we all know what's going on behind scenes. Why? Because the creators have SENSE. The lesson? Watch Mad Max: Fury Road

The lesson for me is that movies are a superior format to TV shows on pretty much all accounts.

Maybe in the 90's. Golden Age of the medium, breh.

[ToxicAdam]

Complaining about something happening on GoT that was debaucherous and gratuitious, is like complaining because someone on Deadwood said the word 'cunt' .

[Sausage]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164519673&postcount=57

post of the day

[Himu]

The lesson for me is that movies are a superior format to TV shows on pretty much all accounts.

 

The Sopranos in its entirety is essentially hour long movies taking place in the same universe using the same characters. David Chase and the writers had this as a goal, where each episode has its own themes and arcs. I'd rather watch a Sopranos episode on the fly compared to most movies.

EDIT : And Games of Thrones is meh anyway, for the little I inflicted myself.

The pay off for sticking with a TV show is much higher than any movie comparatively. Ask fans of The Shield and Six Feet Under how they felt about the series finale for either respective show.

Yeah, well, of course I have watched and enjoyed a number of shows over the years. It has been very rare though to see the huge pay offs, because of the production constraints of this format. Ultimately, I never found a show being able to match the aesthetic qualities of a good movie and very few being that much more compelling story-wise (to me less is often more).

But yeah, not really a question of talent anyway.

EDIT : And Games of Thrones is meh.

I would have agreed with you ten years ago, but right now I think tv has a better case than movies. TV is where all the creativity is coming from these days. Movies are...well, in a bad place.

[StealthFan]

Also Hannibal has fucking amazing aesthetics for television.

[Eel O'Brian]

Dexter was a okay at best show to begin with and the quality drop was magnificent, viewership stayed high right until the very end. The Walking Dead has seemingly been like liquid shit for years but people still tune in.

Game of Thrones will stay popular.

I haven't watched TWD in years but people rarely complain that it's boring. Is it?

Not really since S2's Farmville of the Dead stretch. Mostly it's the dumb writing and inconsistent characters.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164519673&postcount=57

post of the day

funny but now that so much attention has been drawn to that post the ban is inevitable

[VomKriege]

Also Hannibal has fucking amazing aesthetics for television.

The qualifier illustrates my point. 
The Citizen Kane (of gaming)

[Phoenix Dark]

Dexter was a okay at best show to begin with and the quality drop was magnificent, viewership stayed high right until the very end. The Walking Dead has seemingly been like liquid shit for years but people still tune in.

Game of Thrones will stay popular.

I haven't watched TWD in years but people rarely complain that it's boring. Is it?

Not really since S2's Farmville of the Dead stretch. Mostly it's the dumb writing and inconsistent characters.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1049070

He saw my avatar on this site and said "You're on cartoon sites again? Great".

[OnlyRegret]

I clicked this thread and are linking it just from the title alone: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1048845

Darkflow is on point. I'm also glad he changed his avatar back to what it was before.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164546454&postcount=110
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164546667&postcount=114
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164548140&postcount=144

 

[nudemacusers]

i mean that's cool of darkflow to call dumg shit out but not sure why people bother debating shit on gaf anymore. most threads are just filled to the brim with weasely ban-bait attempts (or frequently quote spamming an outrageous post) or bizarro-world absolutism.

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[benjipwns]

Complaining about something happening on GoT that was debaucherous and gratuitious, is like complaining because someone on Deadwood said the word 'cunt' .

cooccccckkkkkksucker

[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1049070

He saw my avatar on this site and said "You're on cartoon sites again? Great".

Dad trying to bang out Mom on every piece of the furniture in the house 24/7 and his lazy ass kid is holding everything up by fucking around on cartoon and pedo sites instead of getting a job and moving out. Poor Dad.   

[Steve Contra]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1049070

He saw my avatar on this site and said "You're on cartoon sites again? Great".

PLEASE NEWSFEED THIS

[Jansen]

 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1048998

good bans

[king of the internet]

Shit poster graveyards

[nachobro]

  Not sure why any of those posts are banworthy? Is Besloppy just mad that he paid $30 for a hot dog?

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1049070

He saw my avatar on this site and said "You're on cartoon sites again? Great".

What a weird ass thread.

Dude is applying jobs for programming or something but seems to be more interested in drawing comics or some shit.

Then pursue a job in that area? Instead forcing yourself to do something you don't want to do. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting them shits.

I don't see that at all. His family is just being impatient. Maybe he could allay their fears by talking to them, but I guess he just wants to vent on a 'cartoon site'.

Kinda like the first post:

So instead of finding a job you typed this up.

He does have a point.

Refreshing job-hunting sites every 5min would be a better use of his time I guess.

When I graduated I'd apply to stuff for 5-8 hrs a day until I got something

Gotta be like this guy and learn to look busy doing something all day that maybe takes 2 hours...

[nachobro]

Eh, dude says he was too busy to apply for jobs in his last semester aka the time when you should be applying to jobs to make sure you have one for when you graduate. Too busy to take 20 minutes and fill out an application or take even less time to email a resume to some address with a lame cover letter?

Sounds like he's just asking for sympathy and modifying his story to make himself the good guy. Y'know, the same as every single life-related thread on GAF.

[thisismyusername]

These weak ass fools have no idea of what real euro-jank is like.

The Slovenian creators of Marlow Briggs:

I'd do the two behind the projector and in front of the TV because Marlow Briggs was the surprise of last year for me. </boyslut Andy>

[Rufus]

I couldn't be bothered to read that far in.
This "treat job-hunt like a job" is nonsense though, unless you have to scrape the barrel. Flooding employers with your "might as well" applications just to calm your nerves isn't actually helping anyone (except your nervous parents like with that guy, I suppose), but that's a pet-peeve of mine.

[thisismyusername]

So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

I'll just throw this at the two of you and then you guys can go discuss it in the GoT thread: http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2015/05/19/we-are-not-things-mad-max-versus-game-of-thrones/

[thisismyusername]

That was me for a couple months in spring 2008. I applied to tons of stuff, registered with like 3 temp agencies and followed up regularly, and actually went on lots of interviews. My dad started upping the pressure after some time had gone by. I don't think most people realized how dramatically the job market was drying up at that point.

I ended up going to Korea on account of that.

That's the frustrating thing. Double so with parents. "You are educated, you should be able to get a job!"

"Uh... have you seen the market recently? Do you understand why I'm having these problems?"

"*scoff* It was easy when I was your age!"

"NO SHIT! THAT WAS THEN! THIS IS NOW!"

[Sausage]

whats up with the graveyard in the hotdog thread

[Phoenix Dark]

Honestly I couldn't care less than GoT the show is getting destroyed over that scene. I just want to make sure the focus is on the showrunners and not Martin. That scene isn't even in the books.

[studyguy]

They should have just adapted Prince of Thorns.
I feel like the edgelord neckbeards online would really connect to a kid who scares spooky demon ghosts through the sheer angst he feels over his past.

[Steve Contra]

Honestly I couldn't care less than GoT the show is getting destroyed over that scene. I just want to make sure the focus is on the showrunners and not Martin. That scene isn't even in the books.

Yeah, it would suck if people thought Martin treated women like shit for shock value in his books

[Phoenix Dark]

Agreed, that would be a shame. Martin has long been praised for his characterization of female characters, and while the books are full of sexual violence it's not exploitative.

[studyguy]

Here I was thinking he was praised for his meticulous descriptions of food on each chapter they appear.
Fatty gonna fat.

[Steve Contra]

Yeah, the Ramsay Bolton or Victarion stuff wasn't exploitative (by the way I brought this up with my wife, and she was like "those people haven't read the books, the books are waaaaaaaay rougher")

[Steve Contra]

Honestly I couldn't care less than GoT the show is getting destroyed over that scene. I just want to make sure the focus is on the showrunners and not Martin. That scene isn't even in the books.

How technical are you being right now?  I'm not a huge fan and don't have those books memorized, but I do remember that Jeyne Poole was treated even worse than Sansa and Reek was forced to participate.

She was.  Lots of horrific stuff happens in the book.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

For instance one character beats his wife to death because she cheated on him and this fact is brought up over and over and over again, and then later that character burns an entire boat of sex slaves alive.  This is a character the book fans are pretty sad is missing from this season.

[close]

[Steve Contra]

"Greyjoys and Boltons in general are sadistically evil fucks" is a message given quite early and often by show and books alike.  The show dwells on this redundant mustache-twirling-while-fucking-a-puppy-you-set-on-fire villainy LESS than the books.

This is what I'm talking about.  The books go to great lengths to hammer this point home in horrible ways like we can't get it otherwise.  It's almost like Martin going for nothing else than shock value with these (he is, PD is wrong about this).  Hell, both the show and the books have a gangraped that is actually treated as a punchline.  Several times!

[Mr. Nobody]

HEY FEGGITS

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN THREAD 

[Steve Contra]

HEY FEGGITS

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN THREAD 

What, are we shitting up the NEOGAF thread?

[Mr. Nobody]

HEY FEGGITS

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN THREAD 

What, are we shitting up the NEOGAF thread?

Yes

smell it

[Huff]

Job dude doesn't write cover letters or know to even email thank you letters. Dad probably walked in on him jacking it to sonic pron

[Phoenix Dark]

That was me for a couple months in spring 2008. I applied to tons of stuff, registered with like 3 temp agencies and followed up regularly, and actually went on lots of interviews. My dad started upping the pressure after some time had gone by. I don't think most people realized how dramatically the job market was drying up at that point.

I ended up going to Korea on account of that.

That's the frustrating thing. Double so with parents. "You are educated, you should be able to get a job!"

"Uh... have you seen the market recently? Do you understand why I'm having these problems?"

"*scoff* It was easy when I was your age!"

"NO SHIT! THAT WAS THEN! THIS IS NOW!"

Well the job market is MUCH better in 2015 than it was in 2008.

Not by much for young people....

[Jansen]

 

HEY FEGGITS

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN THREAD 

What, are we shitting up the NEOGAF thread?

fuck yeah

Creepy Stalker didnt die for things to become like this

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1049070

I hope this lazy dipshit never applies for my company. Pass.

[studyguy]

Brehs my dad got dropped from his job of 30 years making almost 6 digits by the end due to age.
Man has no college background but so much experience that it's like if it were me or him lined up for a management job. I'd hire him over me any fucking day. I don't blame people for having shit prospects, it's tough all fucking over when another generation out there is still grinding and can't quit anyway.

I toss my shit out there and see who bites, it was like shit 1 reply.

I tossed his resume out there and I was like fuck he had like 20 interviews for good paying positions lined up in a second

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The point is the kid's dad is going above and beyond to help him....you know...be a fucking man and he's bitching about it.

I have no use for those who squander their opportunities to draw fucking comics and surf gaf. None.

Edit; And before any of you bitch my job was a lot harder to get when I was 21 than yours.

[Himu]

Honestly I couldn't care less than GoT the show is getting destroyed over that scene. I just want to make sure the focus is on the showrunners and not Martin. That scene isn't even in the books.

How technical are you being right now?  I'm not a huge fan and don't have those books memorized, but I do remember that Jeyne Poole was treated even worse than Sansa and Reek was forced to participate.

She was.  Lots of horrific stuff happens in the book.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

For instance one character beats his wife to death because she cheated on him and this fact is brought up over and over and over again, and then later that character burns an entire boat of sex slaves alive.  This is a character the book fans are pretty sad is missing from this season.

[close]

You and Jaydub raise great points. I disagree though. The stuff you're talking about for instance, doesn't in the books (emphasis plural) but a book (A Dance With Dragons). Also, the stuff you're talking about also is for establishing just how scummy the character is as a villain, because it wasn't established before just how much, though it was theorized he committed patricide. This runs contrary to Ramsay, who on the show, was built up as a fucked individual through the entire course of last season. So his actions feel so redundant. Yes, fans are sad he's missing, but I don't think it's because they LIKE him, just that he's such a potentially interesting and ethically fucked villain that it'd be interesting to see him on tv. I agree with PD on Martin's portrayal of female characters in his writing.

[Steve Contra]

I think Martin can write good women, I also think he's not above indulging baser tendencies for shock value.  They're not mutually exclusive.

[Himu]

I completely agree. The thing is though, I think the show goes for shock more than Martin. I don't think Martin went for shock early on. I never got that. ADWD is the book that I felt was rife with shock and what the fuck. Funny too, because I find it the worst book in the series. It's not surprise that all the current what the fuck events on the show all come from ADWD.

[Phoenix Dark]

At the end of the day we probably wouldn't be having this conversation if they didn't purposely edit a sex scene into a rape scene last season. That alone eliminated any benefit of the doubt they'd normally get with a situation like this. To make matters worse, they changed the books specifically to make that character's arc "more interested/spice it up/surprising." And this is what they came up with. We clearly have some minor disagreements about a variety of things but I'm pretty sure we can all agree this was a shit decision from a plotting perspective, and is the type of thing that makes you question the showrunner's ability.

That's all I gotta say about that (in this thread).

[meeb]

The point is the kid's dad is going above and beyond to help him....you know...be a fucking man and he's bitching about it.

I have no use for those who squander their opportunities to draw fucking comics and surf gaf. None.

Edit; And before any of you bitch my job was a lot harder to get when I was 21 than yours.

He isn't squandering opportunities. You don't apply for a job and instantly get an interview. There's going to be downtime sometime in the day.

[StealthFan]

preorder culture?

does everything need a fucking culture now?

[thisismyusername]

The point is the kid's dad is going above and beyond to help him....you know...be a fucking man and he's bitching about it.

I have no use for those who squander their opportunities to draw fucking comics and surf gaf. None.

I don't think he's squandering. What do you expect him to do? Apply every waking moment to every job out there? I mean, "yeah" you're going to say and I get that. But at the same time, he can apply to 5-50 places a day, but in this current market he's probably not going to hear back from any except maybe... 1 if that. The market has changed.

Edit; And before any of you bitch my job was a lot harder to get when I was 21 than yours.

You're a generation ahead of us, IIRC. This isn't so much a "your generation has it better/worse than ours." It's more "these old folks expect people to get a job like *snap* that. But that way is gone now."

[Kara]

The point is the kid's dad is going above and beyond to help him....you know...be a fucking man and he's bitching about it.

I have no use for those who squander their opportunities to draw fucking comics and surf gaf. None.

Edit; And before any of you bitch my job was a lot harder to get when I was 21 than yours.

That OP made me smh so much. "My dad acts like looking for a full-time job should be a full-time job." ...yeah, that's right.

[Mr. Nobody]

The point is the kid's dad is going above and beyond to help him....you know...be a fucking man and he's bitching about it.

I have no use for those who squander their opportunities to draw fucking comics and surf gaf. None.

I don't think he's squandering. What do you expect him to do? Apply every waking moment to every job out there? I mean, "yeah" you're going to say and I get that. But at the same time, he can apply to 5-50 places a day, but in this current market he's probably not going to hear back from any except maybe... 1 if that. The market has changed.

Sadly, this is not an exaggeration at all 

[Purrp Skirrp]

I only listen to videogame/anime music, so when I'm asked what music I like I'm like "yeah, I hear japanese music" and that's pretty much it.

[bluemax]

Yeah, the Ramsay Bolton or Victarion stuff wasn't exploitative (by the way I brought this up with my wife, and she was like "those people haven't read the books, the books are waaaaaaaay rougher")

You mean what he forces Reek to do on his wedding night isn't exploitative?

I think Martin can write good women, I also think he's not above indulging baser tendencies for shock value.  They're not mutually exclusive.

Like his wonderfully flowery description of Daenerys shitting over and over? Or what he does to Arya in the book that is never coming out?

[meeb]

The point is the kid's dad is going above and beyond to help him....you know...be a fucking man and he's bitching about it.

I have no use for those who squander their opportunities to draw fucking comics and surf gaf. None.

Edit; And before any of you bitch my job was a lot harder to get when I was 21 than yours.

That OP made me smh so much. "My dad acts like looking for a full-time job should be a full-time job." ...yeah, that's right.

Sure, make it a full time job. But people even at a full time job don't work continuously for 8 hours. There are lulls in productivity. People take breaks. People saying he needs to pull a 9-5 in applying for jobs seem to overestimate how many jobs you can reasonably apply to without going wildly out of field, or far out of state (if you can even relocate to out of state).

[StealthFan]

Is Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn worth it if you already own Awakening?

[agrajag]

So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

[Himu]

So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

In the book, Dany consents. It's another change for the sake of change. What you're saying actually lends a point in his favor.

[agrajag]

So what's up with all of the faux outrage over Sansa getting raped? Can someone explain it to me? Was someone expecting the Bastard of fucking Bolton to be a model husband?

Conversely, what is added to the character by making him a rapist?

You know, it's almost as if you've never read the books or seen the show at all.

Him being a rapist is not out of his character. This is the same guy that tortures and mutilates human beings for fun. And your question is "what is added to the character by making him a rapist?" Are you kidding me? That IS his character. He's a sadist, a rapist, a brute, a monster. That's what's added to the character.

And 90% of people in Westeros are rapists. Can you answer my question instead of posing an inane one yourself?

I watch the show.

Ramsay being subhuman is about as hammered home as the Starkes being scrubs. Nothing is added to a characterization by hammering a hammered nail. I'd say the same thing about Stannis bin Laden ordering another soul burned alive or Tyrion's hobbyist lifestyle. We get it bad book / show writers, let's move this train forward.

Rape (shockingly I know) ruffles a lot of feathers and despite your unsubstantiated claims about Westerosians (#notallmen) the show has never made it a core subject to depict (unlike violence). It was lazy shock value with something that scars a lot of people personally, hence what you so charmingly and originally referred to as "faux outrage."

You watch the show, huh? Okay. I hope you were as outraged when Khal Drogo consummated his marriage. Which surprises me you ever made it past the first episode. If what you call lazy shock value offends you (or anyone) that much, maybe the show just isn't for you.

In the book, Dany consents. It's another change for the sake of change. What you're saying actually lends a point in his favor.

No, it doesn't. This is not a book vs. show discussion, nothing to do with the book at all. The differences from the book are neither here nor there, the Ramsay marriage is a WHOLE lot milder in the show than in the book. And Vularai does not appear to be a book reader, your comment is not relevant here.