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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22680 on: February 01, 2015, 07:39:13 PM »
I have never heard "chink" used in a window context. ???

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« Reply #22681 on: February 01, 2015, 07:44:16 PM »
I have never heard "chink" used in a window context. ???

You haven't? "a little chink of glass fell over there"?
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« Reply #22682 on: February 01, 2015, 08:15:48 PM »
I have never heard "chink" used in a window context. ???

You haven't? "a little chink of glass fell over there"?

Mmmm... no. A little "sliver" of glass fell over there.

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« Reply #22683 on: February 01, 2015, 08:23:07 PM »
Yeah I've never heard it refering to a piece of glass but definitely gaps or flaws in armor.

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« Reply #22684 on: February 01, 2015, 08:42:10 PM »
guess my experience is different given my history with making stained glass
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« Reply #22685 on: February 01, 2015, 08:48:40 PM »
nah Himu I've heard a sliver called a chink too. It might be a southern thing though.
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« Reply #22686 on: February 01, 2015, 09:19:46 PM »
Called chink out here in the west as well.
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« Reply #22688 on: February 01, 2015, 11:53:11 PM »
that is a legit god tier joke. I am in awe.  :bow
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« Reply #22689 on: February 01, 2015, 11:54:53 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=983864

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I moved over and we made out a little, started getting heavy then she reached for my junk and said "You're still soft", let out a big sigh and turned her head.

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« Reply #22690 on: February 02, 2015, 12:10:40 AM »
i don't get the joke

can someone please explain it to me

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« Reply #22691 on: February 02, 2015, 12:14:30 AM »
i don't get the joke

can someone please explain it to me
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« Reply #22692 on: February 02, 2015, 12:17:40 AM »
i don't get the joke

can someone please explain it to me
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« Reply #22693 on: February 02, 2015, 12:32:40 AM »
i don't get the joke

can someone please explain it to me

He can't go into a store and just say,"Black [person] paint."

"Charles, would you please paint my fence?"

Charles is the black person. What he means by black paint, he's not talking about literal black paint, but demanding a black person paint for him.
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« Reply #22694 on: February 02, 2015, 12:48:09 AM »
thank you. now i can laugh  :o


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« Reply #22697 on: February 02, 2015, 05:29:15 AM »
I feel that letting hentai avatars that get hit in the face with cum being allowed would mean that rules would be more lax.

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« Reply #22698 on: February 02, 2015, 05:33:51 AM »
NeoFeg I took your whole quiz but then it wanted an email?? Are you trying to download virus onto my computer? I answered all the questions but that would be too much work. Clean up your site.

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« Reply #22699 on: February 02, 2015, 05:47:10 AM »
I use to think people that had those hentai avatars had them as a joke. "lol look at this stupid naughty comic porn, this is ridiculous". Now I think people who have them actually read and debate which cum loving cartoon is thier waifu.

Depressing times.

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« Reply #22700 on: February 02, 2015, 07:19:24 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

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« Reply #22701 on: February 02, 2015, 08:41:45 AM »
Durante's always been an asshole to people that don't know "graphic settings" like he does.

To be honest: The idiots "winning" by getting better optimization > his shiny graphics.

Also I'm sick of the "Teens React To <X>" threads that are starting to invade GAF with more frequency. I totally scroll past them, but they're becoming more common.

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« Reply #22703 on: February 02, 2015, 10:16:01 AM »
Also I'm sick of the "Teens React To <X>" threads that are starting to invade GAF with more frequency. I totally scroll past them, but they're becoming more common.

Yeah, we need "GAF Reacts To Teens" threads instead.

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« Reply #22704 on: February 02, 2015, 10:41:38 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

You mean get a slap on the wrist. Banning an actual forum celebrity  :wag

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« Reply #22705 on: February 02, 2015, 11:08:52 AM »
Durante is a great resource. Banning him would be crazy.

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« Reply #22706 on: February 02, 2015, 11:09:51 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

You mean get a slap on the wrist. Banning an actual forum celebrity  :wag

Denis Dyack, tho.  :neogaf
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« Reply #22707 on: February 02, 2015, 11:18:39 AM »
Also I'm sick of the "Teens React To <X>" threads that are starting to invade GAF with more frequency. I totally scroll past them, but they're becoming more common.

Yeah, we need "GAF Reacts To Teens" threads instead.
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« Reply #22708 on: February 02, 2015, 11:41:44 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

You mean get a slap on the wrist. Banning an actual forum celebrity  :wag

Denis Dyack, tho.  :neogaf

Jaffe. :smug

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« Reply #22709 on: February 02, 2015, 12:18:57 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

What a fucking dink.

Fun thread to go back to, Durante gets piled on for caring about virtual whales. An e-Paul Watson so to speak.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=519930

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« Reply #22710 on: February 02, 2015, 12:29:54 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

You mean get a slap on the wrist. Banning an actual forum celebrity  :wag

Denis Dyack, tho.  :neogaf

Jaffe. :smug

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« Reply #22711 on: February 02, 2015, 12:32:33 PM »
Dreamdrop...




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« Reply #22712 on: February 02, 2015, 12:52:01 PM »
dude also wanted to have a slave's cut-up face as an avatar lul. this is what happens when you obsess over kingdom hearts.
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« Reply #22713 on: February 02, 2015, 01:02:21 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

You mean get a slap on the wrist. Banning an actual forum celebrity  :wag

Who was that creepy asshole who did the ps4 leaks and coasted the no drm shit? PC is still microscopic on GAF in comparison.

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« Reply #22714 on: February 02, 2015, 02:07:17 PM »
Dreamdrop...

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I posted that pic here once and got many daps for it.  :yeshrug
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« Reply #22716 on: February 02, 2015, 03:03:39 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150089084&postcount=832

A bit more confrontational bellendery like this and bishop will have all the excuse he needs to finally obliterate his account.

You mean get a slap on the wrist. Banning an actual forum celebrity  :wag

He fixed some pedo-bait game that released on Steam lately so now he's got cred with the weebs.

Bish will have to hope he can't resist drive-bying the inevitable The Order Digital Foundry performance thread. Now that is going to be a shitshow and a half. 

Also in "adventures in romanticizing a brand to define your life" news. Sony sells off SOE. Stanleys forget they are a bleeding company with billion dollar deficits and start dreaming how they will use the money from the sale to buy Quantic Dream, Ready At Dawn, FROM and Capcom :neogaf

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=984275
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« Reply #22717 on: February 02, 2015, 03:23:03 PM »
All that stress and effort to wrangle a AAA game you paid $30-$60 for on launch into your borderline fetishistic graphical ideal.  I guess it feels normal if you are in a thread with another 1000 idiots doing the same thing, discussing how to get yourself out of the snafu the devs just put you in for 1000th time--how to fix their lazy work.  i'm guessing 5% actually go on to play the game, which is ass no matter how pretty you get it.   PC gaming is shit.

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« Reply #22718 on: February 02, 2015, 03:26:48 PM »
PC gaming is shit...... if you have a shitty PC.
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« Reply #22719 on: February 02, 2015, 03:30:51 PM »
All that stress and effort to wrangle a AAA game you paid $30-$60 for on launch into your borderline fetishistic graphical ideal.  I guess it feels normal if you are in a thread with another 1000 idiots doing the same thing, discussing how to get yourself out of the snafu the devs just put you in for 1000th time--how to fix their lazy work.  i'm guessing 5% actually go on to play the game, which is ass no matter how pretty you get it.   PC gaming is shit.

Or you just don't give a fuck about any of that and play a bunch of cool games on your PC. :yeshrug

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« Reply #22720 on: February 02, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »
All that stress and effort to wrangle a AAA game you paid $30-$60 for on launch into your borderline fetishistic graphical ideal.  I guess it feels normal if you are in a thread with another 1000 idiots doing the same thing, discussing how to get yourself out of the snafu the devs just put you in for 1000th time--how to fix their lazy work.  i'm guessing 5% actually go on to play the game, which is ass no matter how pretty you get it.   PC gaming is shit.
You vastly overestimate the amount of anal settings wrangling the average person gets into. :comeon

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« Reply #22721 on: February 02, 2015, 03:34:28 PM »
They said hit dogs holler but godamn  :kobeyuck

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« Reply #22722 on: February 02, 2015, 03:36:32 PM »
Kick is essentially talking about people that stan for their own hardware or PC hardware companies. Its not really prevalent unless you dive into technical discussion threads.

Which anyone that's sane shouldn't or wouldn't.
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« Reply #22723 on: February 02, 2015, 03:39:59 PM »
ok, "pc gaming is shit" was over the line. 

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« Reply #22724 on: February 02, 2015, 03:41:47 PM »
Only legitimate con of being a PC owner in the past was missing out on a ton of Japanese developed titles. One of the main cons of being a console owner was missing out on B tier/middle tier games developed in Europe.

Nowadays though Japanese games are getting released on PC a lot more  :uguu
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« Reply #22725 on: February 02, 2015, 03:44:52 PM »
ok, "pc gaming is shit" was over the line.

At first I thought you were doing that thing where people copy and paste a GAF post in here without citation.

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« Reply #22726 on: February 02, 2015, 03:45:45 PM »
ok, "pc gaming is shit" was over the line.

At first I thought you were doing that thing where people copy and paste a GAF post in here without citation.

I guess it's an extension / expanded view of judging a person with the avatar they are using, but still...

Anyway there's a certain thread / subject that's heated right now. However, I do notice that a general retort is "see those posters donning characters from x game and their whiteknighting" even though if you actually read the whole thing, it was more of an attempt to make a rational discussion? And there's this "people with anime avatars". I also remember back then when ponies were big, there was the "people with pony avatars, of course they'd defend this shit" shenanigans.

Hell, I was accused of being a Nintendo fanboy more than once, and sometimes not even directly but through the tone and manner of responses... because I was donning a Falco avatar, even though I am blunt towards many of Nintendo games! Well shit, time to look for a Boss Doggie avatar then.

I mean, I understand the feeling, and I am even guilty of having that sentiment. But I don't let my posts reflect them. I only do so when there's already arguments / suspicions out.

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« Reply #22727 on: February 02, 2015, 03:52:53 PM »
So, after the resounding clusterfuck that was the original last year, I thought I'd start this thread up again since it's been a while and we may have some new games to pull from. With the push for equal and well-researched representation in gaming, from sex to nationality to gender to orientation, there's been a lot of discussion on the subject online, particularly on GAF. This thread's primary purpose is to find examples highlighting the prevalence of the hetereonormative - the cishet, straight white male, usually buzzcut and militaristic, or "dudebro" - but with examples that actually use context in their games to justify their circumstances, whether those are ethnic, regional, etc. While the last thread took a little bit to unify some actual qualifications, this time around I'm broadening the possible spectrum of answers: this time it's not just about protagonists, it's about characters in general. What we're looking for here are characters that have an actual purpose to their majority representation. When I say purpose, I'm talking about a character whose whiteness, or straightness, or however specific you want to get actually has bearings on the plot or mechanics in a way that other cultures would not.

Couple of very important details to consider here:

Explain and / or justify your case on a character-by-character basis. One at a time, that is. Stick to specific characters - if you want to explain your reasoning on why you think Doomguy or Cryguy or Calladuty Corpsman #239 are acceptable, that's totally fine. Don't just say "it's understandable that most protagonists are hetereonormative because infantrymen have buzzed hair and are mostly white," because that's not justifying a single character, it's band-aiding a recurring trope. On a broader note...

Discuss the games, not the developers. More specifically, don't drive-by post "it's just my opinion, and i'm not a racist or anything, but i really don't see why it's a problem that most protagonists are white males, it's just how it is." Likewise to "most game developers are white males, they write what they know." And, finally...

Keep an open mind. This also isn't the place to say "I can relate to white males better." All balanced humans are capable of empathy. While you may not be able to relate to CJ because you're not about that life, you can still understand concepts such as loss, grief, and things getting away from you (like damn trains). While you may not understand why wizard is sad because he need food badly and why he doesn't just conjure up some food, you can still relate to him because you've probably been hungry at some point in your life.

Now, to establish some reasoning behind possible choices:

There's not a fine line between "good white" and "white good." As a whole, someone like Marcus Fenix or whoever's headlining the next Call of Duty title are bad examples because you could change their race and no difference would be made. Now that examples are beginning to become more codified, examples of "white characters who are good, but contextually justify themselves" can fall into two major categories:

A character is wholesome or good, and being (or not being) a white male would subject them to different repercussions in-universe. Examples:

- BJ Blazkowicz has an emotional crutch in that his family is Jewish and is being directly targeted by Nazis.

- John Marston, on the flip side, is white in an era where not being white is a dangerous game. However, Marston is progressive and is overall still a good character from the viewer's perspective. A bad example would be Doomguy or Duke Nukem, because they could be virtually anyone going through a testosterone-poisoned power fantasy and it wouldn't change the game.

- Adding to this, keep in mind a variety of game universes barely even touch the ideas of human-on-human prejudice or are pretty clearly established as being "post-racial." There's too many opportunities for "black and white to gang up on green," where the idea of a cultural majority is dissolved in favor of having racial politics focusing on, well, races (species). A character like Samus is a good example of a post-racial character, but a bad example for this thread. Clearly white, albeit raised by bird-people, there's nothing about Samus's circumstances - or the universe's, for that matter - that would make her story much different if she were Latino or gay. It's very much focused on the machinations between races and factions, in particular the Galactic Federation and the Space Pirates.

A character has unique or otherwise breakout design, from looks to personality, and defies their expected genericism. They are, in some way(s), flawed. Examples:

- Michael De Santa, while old, white and gun-toting is still interesting because he has downsides and from a legal perspective is still a piece of shit. Consider his circumstances: washed-up guy who was pulling jobs before "the big accident" and had enough good connections to get himself holed up in none other than scenic Vinewood. That, coupled with his age, makes it safe to say that his race is pretty important, e.g. a black character that got pulling jobs in the same universe probably wouldn't be so lucky as to get a slap on the wrist and cushy retirement witness protection.

- Likewise, Max Payne is more of a subversion because while the actual character design starts off as being pretty homogenous, he's battling plenty of demons from taking so many people out and his age is catching up with him. Max Payne 3 also capitalizes on this, expanded on below.

- Even Professor Layton works (as one of the weaker examples) thanks to the setting: he's a stereotypical English gentleman.

- A bad example would be Aiden Pearce, because while he's still admist a conflict as the plot demands, he's still falling victim to not really pushing the envelope from a design or narrative perspective and is, overall, pretty one-dimensional.

- A good place to consider the line's midpoint - blurred, rather - would be Kratos. Known for getting as dudebro as they get, he does have a foothold in that he's Greek, originally a Spartan captain, and his mission of wiping out a caricature of a parthenon is explicitly due to his Greekness. Bonus points for the developers clearly wanting to establish his character and not simply be a "blank slate," like Master Chief originally was.
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Max Payne is an excellent example. While his beginnings were fairly homogenous, as aforementioned, by Max Payne 3 his whiteness is actually used for juxtaposition, further compounding the fact that he's the foreigner now. From the prior thread:

Originally Posted by Screaming Meat

While he could ostensibly be the poster boy for the standard white, bald, male action hero/power fantasy, I see him as more of a subversion.

He's old, he's fat, he whines about everything, he's battling all kinds of addictions, is utterly self-absorbed and suffers from a bad case of the PTSD from murdering so many people over the course of three games. You don't look up to this guy. He's not a hero in any real sense, he's a charity case with a bad haircut and an even worse temper.
Originally Posted by DireStr8s

The game made me feel uncomfortable. His interactions with the locals, like just stumbling through that street party, the bar scene, the "I don't speak your fucking language" line. Rockstar crafts these awesome mechanics, makes Max stick out like a blazing white sore thumb, and then has you decimate poor people: stereotyped Italians too, of course. I felt they did it on purpose and the effect would have been lost had Max not been white.

John Marston is probably one of the examples with the strongest ties to the racial element of it all. An adult in the early 1900s roaming the American frontier, he lives in a time period where being anything other than a white guy is bad news. While the player can make some... objectionable decisions for him, like tying women to railroad tracks, the plot-relevant escapades of which he partakes are all about politics - federal encroachment, gang violence - and aren't ever explicitly tied to the nationalities behind those ideals. Marston himself is a fairly progressive guy for the 1900s, with some good points made by posters in the last thread.

Originally Posted by META

The epitome of family, duty, and honor in the 19th century American West. Highly progressive in his views on slavery, love, and snake oil salesman (and necrophilia, for that matter), Marston was far more intelligent than his criminal history might suggest.

Although he is a man of few words, he personified the stoic listener; taking in everything and doing what he deemed was right for himself, his nation, and his family.

Sure he had his yeehaw moments, but Rockstar created a highly memorable character in Marston.

I would someday like to see R* cross universes and have the Marston bloodline present in a future GTA game.
Originally Posted by META

To continue with my choice with Marston...you couldn't have had another nationality with similar characteristics to Marston in a game like RDR. Considering the time period, Marston needed to be white in order for his character to be worth a damn in that time period in America. Even then he was hated by a lot of people because of his prior connections, but his sense of honor and duty would not have been as impactful if he were any other race in that time period.

Jorge-052 is a bit of a lighter example. Not in the sense that he isn't a good character, just that the actual context behind his circumstances aren't pushed to the forefront of the game's plot. I thought I would throw this one in for two reasons: to get blood flowing on the non-playable character examples (since the last thread had none), and to illustrate that, while rare, you can make individual ethnicities stand out even if your game is on as broad a scale as man versus alien. To expand on this, Jorge comes from Bungie's last Halo title, Halo Reach. The game revolves primarily around a Spartan-III named Noble Six, another blank-slate character along the lines of the Master Chief. Jorge was born on the eponymous planet Reach and considered it his home, with its colonists having a primarily Hungarian background.

Some of his squadmates have more obvious heritage: the fairly homogenous Noble Six is of Western influence and Emile has a similarly rudimentary background, albeit obfuscated by him "becoming the mask." On the flip side, Jun and Kat have decidedly Eastern influences, and ones that are much more ambiguously "500 years of cultural melting pot" than the others. The reason Jorge's heritage comes into play here is because Reach is a character all its own, defined by the landscapes and the war for which it's waged. The Covenant don't have a beef with any particular human nationality - bringing down Reach is of strategic importance, not cultural motivation - but Jorge just barely fits the bill by being a white character whose race makes his experience with the fall of Reach all the more tragic. Jorge is largely seen as the most sympathetic character of Noble Team, essentially being the team dad, looking out for his squadmates overall. His heritage also clearly comes into play throughout the story, which is something that hasn't been seen in the games very often; Sergeant Johnson had his heritage (being born in Chicago) expanded on in a novel in the EU, but nothing comes close to Jorge's presentation in terms of actual gameplay. He speaks Hungarian a few times throughout the campaign, such as "a nivem Jorge" ("my name is Jorge") when comforting a civilian and "Megszakad a szivem..." ("My heart breaks...") when seeing his planet being bombarded from high orbit. This example is particularly interesting because Halo has largely been set in a "post-racial" universe; for humans, anyway.

The Jorge example also throws a little alien into the mix of this thread, which is something that wasn't touched on in the last one. While the examples probably won't be too commonplace, if there are characters contextually justified in sci-fi / fantasy titles where humans aren't the only ones around, by all means, include them.

Now, finally, here are some things not to post:

- Characters that are white, that just happen to also be good characters. This is about their culture actually defining them to an extent. Even if it's a franchise where a difference between white characters and nonwhite characters is established, e.g. The Legend of Zelda with the Hylians and the Gerudo, those would not be good examples because Link's Hylian background doesn't have explicit bearings on the plot the way Max Payne's does. The conflict between Ganondorf and Hyrule is generally based around power, not race. Likewise, someone like Nathan Drake is a bad example because he could be an adventure of virtually any other sex, nationality or orientation and it wouldn't affect the overall plot in the slightest.

- "Why does a character's race, gender, or sexual orientation have to be 'justified?'" It doesn't have to be - modern game design is evidence of that - but this thread is to particularly discuss hetereonormative characters that do justify themselves. The reason being is that, 9 times out of 10, if a character isn't white, male and straight, it does have to have an explanation. JC of GTA:SA had to be black: not to live the lifestyle was living, but to be reacted to in the way he was, in-universe and out. When GTA:SA media first started pouring out, there were all sorts of people saying it would "never sell," they "couldn't relate," etc. You don't get that a whole lot of the time with homogenous characters. And even when a white character is doing something ostensibly awful, like the protagonist in Hatred, there isn't just criticism - there's controversy. While Hatred's original media was being met with cynicism, there were just as many coming out to defend it with "games as art," "don't tread on me," etc. You can see where the divide lay.

- Why does it have to be white males? Can't we just talk about decent characterization in games in general? I don't doubt that GAF can, but this thread in particular is to discuss this particular topic. If you find yourself wanting to discuss good characterization in general while reading this thread, start a new thread and I'm sure there will be plenty of good discussion to follow in it.

- To be honest, I can't really fathom a white male done 'wrong'. In this case, a white male done "wrong" would be one that doesn't actually justify their circumstances via heritage or culture, e.g. Marcus Fenix, Nathan Drake, etc. Of course that doesn't automatically make them "wrong" characters, it just means they're inappropriate for this discussion.

- I don't really understand the topic, if we're interested in having more diverse characters in order to send positive messages to minority players, isn't suggesting that white males are "generic" and boring by default just sending NEGATIVE messages to white male players, which is the exact opposite goal of diversifying? This is not a thread to unashamedly bash white male characters or white males in general. It's one to celebrate those that have made the effort to ground themselves just as effectively as the fellow minority characters that did so before them. Hetereonormative characters being the "default" protagonist is in and of itself worth discussing in this thread.

- It's not about race, it's just business. (post linked is discussing that point, not supporting it) Trying to excuse it as a "harmless business practice" ultimately just goes to further institutionalized bottlenecks that make it more difficult to get diverse characters in the limelight. When was the last time you heard someone in gaming be called the "token white guy" or "token straight guy?"

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22728 on: February 02, 2015, 03:58:32 PM »

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22729 on: February 02, 2015, 03:58:59 PM »
Yeah, I saw that thread as well.

Its sorta fucked up how some people dwell on so much on perceived or "forced" reality rather than assessing the merit of something, thinking of their own interpretation, and moving on. Imagine if TV or movie critics dwelled on how John Mcclane's whiteness affects his risk taking behavior and how if he was black people would perceive him differently.

The people that create and design these characters most likely don't give a fuck, they want to work as a team to create a character they and consumers will enjoy.
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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22730 on: February 02, 2015, 04:02:40 PM »
If John McClane was black he wouldn't have left his shoes.

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22731 on: February 02, 2015, 04:06:19 PM »
OJ being the original Terminator...
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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22732 on: February 02, 2015, 04:51:15 PM »
Would love for them to remake the T1 police precinct scene today but with a black terminator. 

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22733 on: February 02, 2015, 06:16:27 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=984320
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The person who picked the picture never had the thought that it would be considered "PEDO" to have a picture of a game character that he/she may never have seen in a sexualized light. But now because society is sickened by a picture which has done nothing wrong(since it isnt CP) he/she must change their ways because they are being picked on which is bad because why the hell should anyone shame anyone for something that doesnt concern them. Kinda takes me back to being shamed for sexuality choices. People need to learn that if the person does nothing wrong, that there is nothing wrong .

Are you seriously saying that about this image?
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What I cant say for the person who picked that as the avatar, me on the otherhand can not and will not see that as sexy or sexualized. I do not view younger children/teen/adolesence that way and am very clear on that.

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22734 on: February 02, 2015, 06:46:53 PM »
Reminder that the person who has that avatar said Sunny from MGR was "hot as hell"

For reference the character in question is 11
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« Reply #22735 on: February 02, 2015, 06:48:26 PM »
ah yes, a classic gaf moment.






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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #22736 on: February 02, 2015, 06:57:14 PM »
He actually said that?

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« Reply #22737 on: February 02, 2015, 06:57:38 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=150310613&postcount=372
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Hell, I even get PMs from people saying they LOVE my avatar

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