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[Tasty]

Batman Inc continued in its own separate book like nothing happened. Morrison gave no fucks.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163147990&postcount=10766

 

Friends don't let friends watch Sword Art Online.

how did you know what that was tho

[Himu]

Controversial opinion:

Grant Morrison sucks

[benjipwns]

I'm not sure Morrison consulted with anyone else on the Batman Inc. idea. The Dark Knight series tried to kinda wrap the idea up.

Also in some ways, it shit on itself because Morrison. I think it really only wound up half-canon like even though it was part of the New 52, it wasn't, it was really taking place before Flashpoint. So some of the stuff could be written out as DC saw fit. They tied to reboot Batwing but did it stupidly. Most everyone else has been relegated to "showing up sometimes" in the main books.

The Batman books have been pretty decent though. Scott Snyder accidentally fucking with everyone who doesn't read the comics with his Talons and Joker stuff was worth it alone.

[Tasty]

Controversial opinion:

Grant Morrison sucks

He writes Supes well but his Batman stories come off as way too convoluted and goofy. He kept trying to bring back a whole bunch of silver age shit no one gave a fuck about and never would.

[benjipwns]

Controversial opinion:

Grant Morrison sucks

Grant Morrison's biggest problem is that he just sprawls everywhere and doesn't care about keeping everything under control or knowing where he's going to wind up or perhaps more importantly when he's going to wind up there. Though I did like how he effectively made all of Batman canon. Even if the explanation for how RIP and everything fit together was off in a trade paperback collection of 1940-60s Batman stories. 

And Doom Patrol was perfect for him. And ultimately I've come to love (originally despising) Final Crisis' premise even if it does need like six issues on each side of it drawing from a hundred sources to explain the insanity, backstory and aftermath of what happens in the nine parts inbetween.

That was ultimately one of Alan Moore's advantages when he was in a similar role with the "mainstream" characters, he was able to pull all the threads back and wrap things up. With Morrison there's always another 12 issues you could squeeze out to tie up and explain things, but if you let him do it, you're going to need 48 issues to explain what he did in those 12.

[bluemax]

Controversial opinion:

Grant Morrison sucks

He writes Supes well but his Batman stories come off as way too convoluted and goofy. He kept trying to bring back a whole bunch of silver age shit no one gave a fuck about and never would.

I thought some of the stuff he tied in was pretty fucking awesome

There was a point in the Death and Return of Bruce Waye that tied into some random ass Riddler story I read as a kid when I had a subscription to Batman and I was like "holy shit! I remember that story! that weird flash back stuff was so weird!" and somehow he tied that shit in 20+ years later and it made sense. I realize that the appeal of something like this is super fucking low though so I can see why not many people would like it, but I enjoyed it.

Everything from Batman and Robin (with Grayson and Damien) to Batman Inc was pretty fun. I'm not gonna say it was the highest quality or anything or a literary masterpiece or anything like that though.

Batman Inc continued in its own separate book like nothing happened. Morrison gave no fucks.

I'll have to find the trade. I think I only have volume 1? I only buy trades and only very rarely because I'm old and a poor.

[Himu]

He doesn't even write Supes that well. All Star Superman is pretty boring, but maybe I'm just not the target audience for that book.

His Action Comics run is all over the place. First 5 or so issues are great. After that, it becomes an incomprehensible hot mess full of clashing ideas, random plot points. Superman literally goes from his costume being jeans and a t-shirt to his traditional cape and blue suit, without any explanation. It was hinted it would built up to that moment. Nope. Just happens.

I used to like his X-Men run, but it's pretty messy as well. Turning Magneto, one of the greatest villains in Marvel...into that? He often just does things, not to embrace and tribute to the spirit of the comics line, history, and tradition, but just to tell the story he wants to tell. Which is crap.

Morrison is good at specific things, and has written solid books (WE3), but him being put on a book like X-Men or Superman is like having David Cronenberg direct a Disney movie. Ain't happening. Morrison is at his best when he works on a clean slate and has to create a story from scratch. WE3 exemplifies this.

[benjipwns]

There was a point in the Death and Return of Bruce Waye that tied into some random ass Riddler story I read as a kid when I had a subscription to Batman and I was like "holy shit! I remember that story! that weird flash back stuff was so weird!" and somehow he tied that shit in 20+ years later and it made sense. I realize that the appeal of something like this is super fucking low though so I can see why not many people would like it, but I enjoyed it.

Everything of his run dating back to Batman and Son, through RIP, the Death and Return into Batman Inc. is this. The Batmen of Other Nations, Dr. Hurt's experiment, Batman of Zur-En-Arrh, etc. all come from those old comics. The Black Casebook tpb collects a ton of them* and Morrison wrote a lucid few pages essay about it and how it creates the groundwork for RIP.

His core idea was that all this insane stuff that Batman comics dismissed for years, should be canon and can be explained in realistic ways and that considering everything Batman has experienced in the Justice League and beyond his world shouldn't be entirely rational, hence The Black Casebook which is where he puts all the shit that makes no sense that he someday hopes to find an explanation for.

EDIT: I actually had familiarity with a lot of these stories because I had a number of 1960's Batman comic books from the old "random bags of comics" you'd get at conventions/stores for like a buck or two. Also had the The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told series which had a number of them.

EDIT2: From the I Hate Grant Morrison blog:

Bruce and Alfred talk about "The Black Casebook," which they might as well say "hey you know that thing we've never mentioned? Yeah that." More like Batman and the Deathly Hallows. The Black Casebook is a record Batman has been keeping of all the unexplained phenomena that has ever happened (within it probably lies the reason DC hired and kept Grant Morrison around). Coincidentally, Alfred had just completed transferring the Black Casebook to a memory stick (the Black Memory Stick just doesn't have the same ring to it). When it comes to data management and going green, Alfred is on top of it!

*
"A Partner For Batman" from Batman #65
"Batman - Indian Chief" from Batman #86
"The Batmen of All Nations" from Detective Comics #215
"The First Batman" from Detective Comics #235
"The Club of Heroes" from World's Finest Comics #89
"The Man Who Ended Batman's Career" from Detective Comics #247
"Am I Really Batman?" from Batman #112
"Batman - The Superman of Planet X" from Batman #113
"Batman Meets Bat-Mite" from Detective Comics #267
"The Rainbow Creature" from Batman #134
"Robin Dies At Dawn" from Batman #156
"The Batman Creature" from Batman #162

[Himu]

Controversial opinion:

Grant Morrison sucks

Grant Morrison's biggest problem is that he just sprawls everywhere and doesn't care about keeping everything under control or knowing where he's going to wind up or perhaps more importantly when he's going to wind up there.

Exactly. And for comics this is AWFUL.

[Himu]

I think Morrison is best at character moments.

Like, admittedly, I love the Batman and Son story arc.

[benjipwns]

Seven Soldiers and The Multiversity are really great Morrison examples. He has a limited number of issues, he actually wraps up the overall story for the arc. But none of it really makes any fucking sense regarding how it all fits together as you're reading it*, it loops back on itself over and over, and ultimately only some of it winds up relevant to his follow-up story. And it could have been done in half the issues.

I am assuming this is how The Multiversity turns out since it went from DC's big event to something that happened while everyone took a break for Convergence which may wind up ditching everything Morrison was originally supposed to be "launching" with The Multiversity.

At least Final Crisis and his Batman arc made pretty clear sense in retrospect once you re-read it. (Except Doctor Dedalus and Spiral/Spyral on that underwater ship.)

*Especially Seven Soldiers since it has no clear reading order.

[benjipwns]

Now I want Morrison to write that Watchmen prequel/sequel series they were going to do.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163150759&postcount=10602

I'm just terrified for the NHS. Terrified.

These people with no historical perspective on politics. 

It survived Thatcher. THATCHER! And New Labour!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163151161&postcount=10625

i don't really know what to do now. should i just stay awake? this is the worst night of my adult life.

OT Politics post or Gaming Discussion PT/PS4 Review thread?!?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163151437&postcount=10648

i just remembered the BBC

probably not long for this world

i give them 5 years tops

[mormapope]

I remember seeing a dad and his two kids when I saw The Watchmen. They walked out after owl dude and that one chick banged. Dad was probably not expecting a big blue dick to be on the screen. Maybe he was a Watchmen fan and he wanted to spare his boys from averageness.

To this day its the only superhero movie I've seen in theaters and I haven't watched a superhero movie since.

EDIT: Scratch that, I saw The Dark Knight Rises, but it was against my will.

[bluemax]

There was a point in the Death and Return of Bruce Waye that tied into some random ass Riddler story I read as a kid when I had a subscription to Batman and I was like "holy shit! I remember that story! that weird flash back stuff was so weird!" and somehow he tied that shit in 20+ years later and it made sense. I realize that the appeal of something like this is super fucking low though so I can see why not many people would like it, but I enjoyed it.

Everything of his run dating back to Batman and Son, through RIP, the Death and Return into Batman Inc. is this. The Batmen of Other Nations, Dr. Hurt's experiment, Batman of Zur-En-Arrh, etc. all come from those old comics. The Black Casebook tpb collects a ton of them* and Morrison wrote a lucid few pages essay about it and how it creates the groundwork for RIP.

His core idea was that all this insane stuff that Batman comics dismissed for years, should be canon and can be explained in realistic ways and that considering everything Batman has experienced in the Justice League and beyond his world shouldn't be entirely rational, hence The Black Casebook which is where he puts all the shit that makes no sense that he someday hopes to find an explanation for.

EDIT: I actually had familiarity with a lot of these stories because I had a number of 1960's Batman comic books from the old "random bags of comics" you'd get at conventions/stores for like a buck or two. Also had the The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told series which had a number of them.

EDIT2: From the I Hate Grant Morrison blog:

Bruce and Alfred talk about "The Black Casebook," which they might as well say "hey you know that thing we've never mentioned? Yeah that." More like Batman and the Deathly Hallows. The Black Casebook is a record Batman has been keeping of all the unexplained phenomena that has ever happened (within it probably lies the reason DC hired and kept Grant Morrison around). Coincidentally, Alfred had just completed transferring the Black Casebook to a memory stick (the Black Memory Stick just doesn't have the same ring to it). When it comes to data management and going green, Alfred is on top of it!

*
"A Partner For Batman" from Batman #65
"Batman - Indian Chief" from Batman #86
"The Batmen of All Nations" from Detective Comics #215
"The First Batman" from Detective Comics #235
"The Club of Heroes" from World's Finest Comics #89
"The Man Who Ended Batman's Career" from Detective Comics #247
"Am I Really Batman?" from Batman #112
"Batman - The Superman of Planet X" from Batman #113
"Batman Meets Bat-Mite" from Detective Comics #267
"The Rainbow Creature" from Batman #134
"Robin Dies At Dawn" from Batman #156
"The Batman Creature" from Batman #162

Yeah I wasn't really reading comics much when his run started and then I found out he was tying in bonkers stories from my child hood and even further back and I caught up on all of it. I own a small portion of it in TPB, someday I'll get the rest.

The whole thing is totally bonkers, but I enjoyed it and I think I was the target audience. I can see why a lot of other people wouldn't enjoy it and I don't fault them for that.

[benjipwns]

I really think the major problem was that everyone assumed, because it was promoted that way, that Batman R.I.P. was the endgame of his first arc. When The Death and Return was. The second arc in Batman and Robin and Batman Inc. being the second half of the overall arc which started way earlier with Damian.

He couldn't "kill" (or temporarily remove from the picture for his Dick/Damian arc) Bruce with anyone he could put in the Batman books, so he needed Final Crisis for the villain that could.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163151902&postcount=10684

You know, for a party so evil and villainous, a party who are going to destroy our healthcare system while stroking a white cat and laughing hysterically, a party who hate every single non-millionaire apparently, a party who [insert cliched criticism here], the Conservatives sure are seeing a lot of support from the British public.

But sure, they're outright terrible and nasty and mean and all that.

The US Republican Party wins elections all the time. Your arguments is invalid. I mean compared to the UK Conservatives, even though they've been trying hard, the GOP are actual super villians and yet, people vote for them. Largely for the same reason - fear. Fear of the other, whomever the other is the individual voter.

I need to stop, it's too much. Grant Morrison is writing the posters in this thread now.

I don't remember the Congressional elections bringing out the gloom and doom, maybe because the polls were all saying big GOP victory for months beforehand. And people were kinda resigned to fate. Obama losing in 2012 probably would have fattened me up though, Romney's loss was pretty good. I can't decide which 2016 GOPer would be ideal for their tears.

Makes my skin crawl to see people happy the NHS and every welfare and democratizing security obliterated, public services sold out, while this posh smirk and his friends continue to make life easier for people like him

[mormapope]

Seeing brits scitter scatter about like little cocks makes the crumpet in my bum tickle like a freshley shaven cunt.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042825

Three women kidnap man and rape him in South Africa #1
And collected his essence/semen in plastic bags, then storing it in a cooler box.

Four of first five posters get banned. I smell potential.

 

[OnlyRegret]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042825

Three women kidnap man and rape him in South Africa #1
And collected his essence/semen in plastic bags, then storing it in a cooler box.

Four of first five posters get banned. I smell potential.

 

That is my thread :-/
I didn't mean for people to get banned... 

[king of the internet]

You should be proud of that kill streak. Nice work. 👌

[mormapope]

My post about getting an accidental boner from pet cuddling was deleted from the three women raping dude thread.
 

[milchs evil twin]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042825

Three women kidnap man and rape him in South Africa #1
And collected his essence/semen in plastic bags, then storing it in a cooler box.

Four of first five posters get banned. I smell potential.

 

That is my thread :-/
I didn't mean for people to get banned...

OnlyRegret

[Narolf]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042825

Three women kidnap man and rape him in South Africa #1
And collected his essence/semen in plastic bags, then storing it in a cooler box.

Four of first five posters get banned. I smell potential.

 

That is my thread :-/
I didn't mean for people to get banned... 

[sarslip]

My post about getting an accidental boner from pet cuddling was deleted from the three women raping dude thread.
 

[sarslip]

 :xbone

[Mr. Nobody]

Greg Rucka

OMAC Project, Gotham Central, Checkmate, best run of Wonder Woman in ages until maybe the New 52 version, Stumptown, Queen and Country 

The GAWD

don't forget his time on Detective Comics/Batwoman

[bork]

Hey guys, I merged this page of comic book talk with the Bore comics thread.  Continue discussion here:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32804.3825

MERGING OF REALITIES

[Kara]

Crisis on Infinite Megathreads :'(

[bork]

make fun of the BCT for spending a lot of time talking about comics and anime, brehs.


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I meant to post this in the gaf thread but i couldnt distinguish the two upon accidentally opening this one

You did post it in the GAF thread.   

MERGING OF REALITIES

[bork]

I did some post splittin' n' mergin'.  Your post was moved to the comics thread, then back to this one.

[nudemacusers]

WHERE AM I

DADDDY HELLLP ME

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lol no dad

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lol

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cry

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[nachobro]

WHERE AM I

DADDDY HELLLP ME

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lol no dad

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lol

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cry

[close]

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lolmexicans

[Nibel]

WHERE AM I

DADDDY HELLLP ME

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lol no dad

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lol

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cry

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You have us tho

[Tasty]

i think Creepy Stalker's arg is rubbing off on me

Why would anyone save this as a JPEG and not a GIF.

Look at those fucking compression artifacts.

LOOK AT THOSE FUCKING ARTIFACTS. THEY'LL MAKE YOUR EYEBALLS MELT.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042825

Three women kidnap man and rape him in South Africa #1
And collected his essence/semen in plastic bags, then storing it in a cooler box.

Four of first five posters get banned. I smell potential.

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163152199&postcount=40

Excellent, a food porn thread. *drool... i will contribute hopefully. It has to be restricted to things you cooked yourself, right?

 

[bork]

I did some post splittin' n' mergin'.  Your post was moved to the comics thread, then back to this one.

the jews did it?


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Controlling the media, bitch.   

[studyguy]

Real talk, lets say some crazy bitch has a gun to your head.
You still gonna get it up? To make it worse lets say she's like a 2.

[Nibel]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1043122

 

[Kara]

Real talk, lets say some crazy bitch has a gun to your head.
You still gonna get it up? To make it worse lets say she's like a 2.

of course

which is a real shame because it's not often i get the chance to have someone kill me

[king of the internet]

Real talk, lets say some crazy bitch has a gun to your head.
You still gonna get it up? To make it worse lets say she's like a 2.

Honestly that sounds like a pretty huge turn on for me. 

[Mr. Nobody]

i think Creepy Stalker's arg is rubbing off on me


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[Tasty]

Real talk, lets say some crazy bitch has a gun to your head.
You still gonna get it up? To make it worse lets say she's like a 2.

I'd be like "bitch, sometimes I can't even be asked to top a really hot guy I'm into, let alone some uggo chick."

I'd be so fucking dead

[Mr. Nobody]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1043122

 

I almost posted in there  :'(

[king of the internet]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1043122

 

I almost posted in there  :'(

Do it. Don't be a bitch. 

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1043122

 

[Mr. Nobody]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1043122

 

I almost posted in there  :'(

Do it. Don't be a bitch. 

 


Protect me from the temptation of sin lawd 

[Narolf]

The whole of you talking about the ARG outside of its dedicated thread represent ban-baits for me, obviously...

[bork]

The whole of you talking about the ARG outside of its dedicated thread represent ban-baits for me, obviously...

Esch?  He was joking.  Come on, man.  There's got to be something else you can talk about.

[bork]

[king of the internet]

The whole of you talking about the ARG outside of its dedicated thread represent ban-baits for me, obviously...

ARG? First I've heard of this. I'm intrigued!   

[Jansen]

The whole of you talking about the ARG outside of its dedicated thread represent ban-baits for me, obviously...

lol who is going to ban you?

if they did they would be a lil bitch 

[Brehvolution]

Andre the Giant's kid is on gaf?

[Mr. Nobody]

Will the wrath of Esch cost us another Borian? 

[nachobro]

typical bullshit baiting from a a colored thug against the poor white gentleman

#StandWithNarolf 

[Supermanisdead]

dont let the haters @ u, esch. we're in a post ferguson world. you dont have to deal with it.

[OnlyRegret]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163215694&postcount=2

 

[nachobro]

If I posted my funniest ban message I'd probably get banned again

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163216528&postcount=21

[Shaka Khan]

What
The
Fuck

Any explain your people. Does anyone know his GAF handle?