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Oblivion

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What happened with the Sim City KS?

Himu

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We are all pushing for Paypal donations and the ability to continue donating after the Kickstarter to tap into dat Star Citizen 80 million swaggah. I don't expect 80 million, but I think we could easily do more than 10.
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VomKriege

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"You know better than I that the fan community for Shenmue is devoted and will not care one bit for this type of arguments." No, there's a general campaign right now in Shenmue circles to get the game to the upper end of stretch goals. People don't want to settle. When you wait for a game a 10 + years, why settle? 5-7 million would be nice, but Shenmue fans generally have a high expectation for the series. Shenmue Online was shat on for a reason. 2 million is the base of the game at the most minimal level. Why would anyone settle for 2 million?

Well, YS did settle for 2m, didn't they ?

And judging by how strong it started, Shenmue III will probably be one of the most funded project on KS (It's already in 14th place in the most funded list). For all manners and purposes, it is already way beyond its original goal and it will probably match the most optimistic expectations of YS even. 2 millions was already a formidable sum and 10 and above is pretty much the very upper limit that it could reach judging by past experience. It is a huge commitment to ask for, so don't be surprised that people may be weighing their options and think about it before pledging. And well, if you actually need way more than that... maybe you should not go the crowdfunding route then ?

There's still 27 days to communicate the whole thing and plenty of time for YS to clear any confusion and misunderstandings. No need to resort to emotional blackmailing (You're killing the dream !) to do so.

Your Sim City example doesn't really change anything to my comprehension, no.

We are all pushing for Paypal donations and the ability to continue donating after the Kickstarter to tap into dat Star Citizen 80 million swaggah. I don't expect 80 million, but I think we could easily do more than 10.

Jesus, man, don't do that. Seriously.
If the fan community is really so dedicated, set up a trust fund or some shit to actually raise money and invest (pro-tip : Pledging on Kickstarter is not really "buying" or "investing") in the game with a contract and everything. But don't piss money peacemeal as an individual to a company on the other side of the world, with no security or accountability of any kind. Yeah, even for your dream game.
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Himu

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Don't do that why? Not everyone can donate now but they may want to donate later?
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Kara

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10 million seems achievable, doesn't it? If it reaches around 5-7 million like its tracking that's not too far off, you'd think someone at a big company could easily say fuck it and go for it. That's chump change compared to modern game budgets. It's highly unlikely though.

As long as the game comes out it should be fine.

The speed of donations has really fallen off hard imo, as has the number of whales.

StealthFan

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Shenmue 3 isn't going to exist niccas. The dream is dead :lawd

Also someone account suicide and spoil Arkham Knight. The villain identity is distinguished mentally-challenged and lazy.
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VomKriege

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Don't do that why? Not everyone can donate now but they may want to donate later?

Because the YS is not the Red Cross. It's a company. It's not even certain they are allowed by law to receive donations (In France, they can't, unless I'm mistaken).
Because there's no accountability for donations, that's why they're donations.
Because you don't know these peoples, and some may be dishonest or bad at managing money.
Because any heavy artistic/entertainement project (and that covers pretty much any film or videogame) can encounter a number of woes during production and end not being made at all despite expenses engaged.
Because you may be aware of the risks and be reasonable, but some of the other fans may not be aware of that and may risk their life savings.

At the very least, Kickstarter offers some little legal coverage and a paper trail.

I know that for you Shenmue is not just a product made for profit but at the end of the day it is what it is, even if Yu Suzuki and his team are not driven by that. As I said, if the compulsion to throw money at it is so strong in the fan community, actually set up a private entity and properly invest in Shenmue III. We're talking of thousands of dollars there, you should be entitled to know what is being done with it and get something out of it if it pays off.
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Mr. Nobody

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Shenmue 3 isn't going to exist niccas. The dream is dead :lawd

Also someone account suicide and spoil Arkham Knight. The villain identity is distinguished mentally-challenged and lazy.


Eel O'Brian

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You might get that Shenmue game, but it's gonna be about as long as MG Ground Zeroes
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Himu

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Jesus, you really seem to be really invested in how people donate money to this game, person who just showed this past week who I don't know.
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StealthFan

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I just bought Arkham Asylum myself to scratch the itch for Knight :whew
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mormapope

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067674
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Over 100 heroes in DOTA, yet hardly any of them are minorities

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 :lol :lol :lol

that's enough gaming forum fuckery for me this month.
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VomKriege

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Jesus, you really seem to be really invested in how people donate money to this game, person who just showed this past week who I don't know.

Do what you wanna do breh, I'm not gotta reach through the internet to stop you. Even if that means donating money via paypal, no questions asked, to a japanese for profit company. I sincerily hope all will turn up for the better for everyone involved.

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Kara

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067674
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Over 100 heroes in DOTA, yet hardly any of them are minorities

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Imba Spirit is kawaii desu.

Olivia Wilde Homo

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Basically I'm starting to question whether or not that place is moderated impartially.

And that's the last thing I'll say on the topic.

ROFL, are you serious?  GAF has never been about impartiality and I've been on there since 2000.  The reason is that there are a bunch of mods, each one with different hot button issues.  One mod may not give a shit about your opinion on <x> but another mod will foam at the mouth and ban you.  It's always been like this.

At the end of the day, it's a message board about video gaming.  If you treat it any more seriously than that :ufup
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10 million seems achievable, doesn't it? If it reaches around 5-7 million like its tracking that's not too far off, you'd think someone at a big company could easily say fuck it and go for it. That's chump change compared to modern game budgets. It's highly unlikely though.

As long as the game comes out it should be fine.

The speed of donations has really fallen off hard imo, as has the number of whales.

Most of the diehards probably already put some money down.

Further progress depends on whether the casual fans or people not invested at all previously can be drawn in.

Big Hoops

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Kickstarter is cool, until that TLC album inevitably never comes out and I swear off the entire concept :yuck

VomKriege

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Olivia Wilde Homo

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I really need to get into writing erotica.  Several people at SomethingAwful claim to make over $100,000 a year writing shit like that.
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Take My Breh Away

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I think it's a bummer that the Shenmue Kickstarter might end up losing out on a decent amount of support because of the console wars.  That's about as petty as it gets.

Come on now, do you think it really has an impact ? The KS is a resounding success, at least within the original parameters. Devoted fans of the franchise, which constitutes the backbone of the backers probably, will be unmoved by any "controversy" pending a major one.

I don't know if there's an impact.  I just think it's a disappointment to see something like this project that has been in limbo for 10+ years finally coming to light only then to be immediately co-opted as some sort of battlefield for console warriors.

I don't think the issue is console wars, really. If it is, it's also because Sony pitched it that way by co-opting the project for their conference. There are issues and debates, which partly stems from a certain confusion (not to be blamed solely on YS and Sony) and from deeper concerns about the whole crowdfunding model. I think the fans and enthusiasts are projecting something fierce about the sanctity of the game and its significance to us plebs. It was inevitable that there will be questions and doubts about the sudden announcement of a sequel that was deader than a parrot in a Monty Python sketch, and for good reason.

Frankly, the cry to rally us to the banner of the United Colors of Shenmue to shut anyone voicing concerns (at least on GAF) is a major warning sign to me.

"You're hurting Shenmue-chan, please stop  :brazilcry "

If you have a company still worth billions of dollars with the fastest selling console didn't have confidence in the project to fund it themselves pushing it on their biggest consumer trade show. Already you start to have doubts on them delivering since they won't take the risk. Sony also pulled this before with Amplitude where they were somewhat skeevy about the game's exclusivity. I ended up having a long, long argument with Harmonix staff on twitter regarding if it Sony should front the money or at the very least, sell the IP to Harmonix and let them kickstart it. Or a sublicensing deal like Shadowrun where Harebrained licensed the IP from Microsoft and were allowed make a PC release independent of Microsoft's influence (The only conditions they got were that it had to be on Steam and no Playstation version). I backed it in the end because Harmonix had a good track record of delivering projects and I loved the original so I'd rather have one than none so I knew the risks. But I can understand why people may question why a billion dollar company would push people to a crowdfunding service to fund a project that they are hovering over only to leverage the dying concept of game exclusivity on a product. That's already going to knock confidence in the project and it dried up even further if Sony is only prepared to fund it partially just for that "Exclusive to PS4* (*Also on PC)" tag. The only console warz seem to be sony stans accusing other console stans of "sabotage" because they won't back this, which is rather pathetic. 

Personally, I'm glad Shenmue 3 exists but I'm not donating to it..

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I never liked Shenmue much. JSR and Skies Of Arcadia were always the real MVP Sega IP's on the Dreamcast :bolo
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Olivia Wilde Homo

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I'd dump a lot of money into a Skies of Arcadia 2 kickstarter
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faced with waning interest and the kickstarter income reduced to drip by the gall stone of market realities, an "IOS/android" stretch goal will arrive like a deus ex machina and be shenmue III's deliverer, to the enraged indignation of literally dozens of people.

dmj

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Kickstarter is cool, until that TLC album inevitably never comes out and I swear off the entire concept :yuck

I really should have spring for the sleepover with Chilli  :lawd

archie4208

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067674
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Over 100 heroes in DOTA, yet hardly any of them are minorities

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You got a game with sentient blobs of water and you're worried about diversity?    :comeon

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067674
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Over 100 heroes in DOTA, yet hardly any of them are minorities

 :comeon

You got a game with sentient blobs of water and you're worried about diversity?    :comeon

But muh black people. :comeon

Mr. Nobody

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Kickstarter is cool, until that TLC album inevitably never comes out and I swear off the entire concept :yuck

I really should have spring for the sleepover with Chilli  :lawd

Word is, that's on the house  :hitler


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Ah, I see you've found my alt account.  :whew

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I'm a Puppy!

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Well I was going to say that with the escort line that guy has a chance to get laid. :hitler
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archie4208

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That Dota thread is a graveyard.   :goty2

Kara

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That Dota thread is a graveyard.   :goty2

SHIRA-KUN NO


StealthFan

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169224982&postcount=1


I remember when I first heard this opus. It was Hannibal's opening weekend and I had just got done playing Shenmue on a friends Dreamcast. My mom was taking us to see the movie and the sweet serenade began on the radio. CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING started and I was like :aah
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benjipwns

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169176433&postcount=221

Claim you know more about a game than someone who actually played it, brehs.  :heh
There's nothing malicious about this. It's evidence versus witness testimony.

benjipwns

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Get Null's Virtual Clone Drive or Alcohol 120%

I'll try Alcohol.
I wouldn't, I like to be in control of my body at all times, so I don't use it. Plus it tastes horrible. I don't understand why so many people think they have to have it to have a good time. Just put in your earbuds and hit the dance floor.

Oblivion

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169176433&postcount=221

Claim you know more about a game than someone who actually played it, brehs.  :heh
There's nothing malicious about this. It's evidence versus witness testimony.

Oh don't you fucking dare do this to me, benji...  :ufup

nudemacusers

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get in arguments about mario physics brehs :ufup
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VomKriege

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JaseC

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(Image removed from quote.)

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Haha, he was actually there? Someone in posted in the Steam thread a photo of him playing a game and I jokingly responded with "That's clearly Kanye West."

Mr Gilhaney

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(Image removed from quote.)

 :rejoice

Haha, he was actually there? Someone in posted in the Steam thread a photo of him playing a game and I jokingly responded with "That's clearly Kanye West."

Yeah they talked about it on the bombcast.


VomKriege

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VomKriege

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Ah come on now, locked already  >:(

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1067958



Meanwhile, Shenmue-stans triggered left and right and doing themselves no favor.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169287473&postcount=1279
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Great Rumbler

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I'd dump a lot of money into a Skies of Arcadia 2 kickstarter

This, but Lost Odyssey 2, please.
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Kara

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169258592&postcount=7

:holeup

Seems cheap as fuck. Poor effort for the sets, costumes and special effects.  :shaq2

Given that i watched it, all of this is true.


meeb

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Get Null's Virtual Clone Drive or Alcohol 120%

I'll try Alcohol.
I wouldn't, I like to be in control of my body at all times, so I don't use it. Plus it tastes horrible. I don't understand why so many people think they have to have it to have a good time. Just put in your earbuds and hit the dance floor.

Is this real or a parody of an autistic GAF level post?

benjipwns

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Is this real or a parody of an autistic GAF level post?
It's a philosophy that understands that with clear eyes and full hearts, one can't lose.

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Is this real or a parody of an autistic GAF level post?
It's a philosophy that understands that with clear eyes and full hearts, one can't lose.

Is this a line from the Pokemon XXX theme song?
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068122

miiverse is serious business
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Isn't that shit meant for toddlers? Why care.  :neogaf


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nintendo fans :sabu

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