GAMERGATE: Both Sides Have The Same Melt Value

[Trent Dole]

Think I'll just steal this retweet of AV's and throw it up here
https://storify.com/EffNOVideoGames/stopgamergate-it-has-always-been-a-spin

[Take My Breh Away]

Just had to explain to my former senior lecturer in Journalism about how #GamerGate got started and how all sides are shameful.

At the very least, I took that L so someone else wouldn't have to

[Shadow Mod]

Just had to explain to my former senior lecturer in Journalism about how #GamerGate got started and how all sides are shameful.

At the very least, I took that L so someone else wouldn't have to

 

[chronovore]

at people leaving the forum over this thread.   

I haven't been keeping up with all of this.  How did Sarkeesian get involved or is that trope stuff now being lumped in with the gaming industry stuff?

“Guys...? Guys, you are not listening to meeeee! Look, I have proof!”
*presents nonsensical items*
*audience is unclear if it is being trolled or not* Dude, that’s totally not proof, and it doesn’t refute what we said.
“GUUUUYS. GUYS! YOU ARE NOT LISTENING!”

I’m pretty sure I’m listening. I’m pretty sure the lack-of-listening problem is not on my end.

Also, FWIW, the #GG Harassment tumblr link earlier is charmingly earnest and naďve. It shows frustrated anti-#GG people saying they want to punch pro-#GG people, and in doing so seeks to equate this with rape and death threats which have required police involvement. “Hey, someone said mean stuff to us, too!”

C’mon, son.

https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/522462449451413504

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#grammargate

[Kara]

Where did this Jew thing even come from? She's of Armenian descent. Armenians are predominantly Christian. They very were early converts, even.

/pedantry

Big schnoz + ignorance of Armenian surname construction + Jewish being an insult on the internet while Armenian isn't outside of whatever the biggest Russian and Turkish social media sites are.

[Take My Breh Away]

Just had to explain to my former senior lecturer in Journalism about how #GamerGate got started and how all sides are shameful.

At the very least, I took that L so someone else wouldn't have to

 

The gaming press could have completely avoided it by telling people "We don't report libel. Or tabloid gossip about people's sex lives" even with the allegations she shacked it with a Kotaku reporter (And till it's proven in court and/or admitted on record. It's an allegation and is reported as such. Also public interest defense is tenuous at best) as well if Quinn knocked off her twitter habit. Instead we had a parade of "STOP PICKING ON HER" damage control articles that popped up and Quinn tweeting at every single butthurt neckbeard to make fun of them (instead of maybe lawyering up on her ex for libel ASAP). That shit just got them going and now they don't stop because the pro-GG crowd think there is a conspiracy and there always has been a conspiracy to force agendas. They won't shut up about it and never will.   

The press and Quinn magnified it so hard when they had a chance to extinguish that the GamerGaters are now looking for conspiracies that don't exist and claiming everything is an agenda against them. So when they make dumb shit like death and rape threats. That also gets magnified with front page articles in the NYT. And the page hits for this shit is huge. Daily mail calls #GamerGate a hate group. Site is pouring with comments and pageviews and every site is fighting to get a part of the organic SEO pie (Current adword spend is around $2 per click as well. It's trending high and you can bring in those clicks pretty easily organically). It's pure cash by enraging a bunch of tools being played like a goddamn fiddle over something so utterly insignificant.

Games media didn't know when there was a time to shut up and say "We don't get involved in personal issues" yet they went into hissy fits in response. And now we have this unceasing shitstorm.

tl;dr: Fuck this club and everyone in it.

(I accept the following with what little dignity I have left) 

[brob]

thinking you can write paragraphs and retain any dignity

[Kara]

Did benji post this yet? Lew Rockwell is on #GamerGate.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/gamers-vs-pc-bullies/

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[benjipwns]

I didn't expect it to be from the man himself. 

EDIT: Oh, it just appears to be an e-mail from reader "Adam" the worst of the Buffy big bads. 

[doctavius bonbon]

                                          

[Rufus]

Relevant article:
http://waxy.org/2014/10/gamergate_schadenfreude/

[I'm a Puppy!]

Hrmm...I wonder where these tweets are coming from. Maybe I'll write up a little program and do some data analysis. Don't know if twitter holds Gender and age of the tweeter. But we'll find out.

[Shadow Mod]

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SO do they boycott Bayo 2 now or?

[I'm a Puppy!]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Kamiya also bans people who use the #stopgamergate tag too.

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah but they won't care about that...

[thisismyusername]

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SO do they boycott Bayo 2 now or?

Thinking they were going to buy Bayo 2 in the first place when it's on Wee-ooo.

                                          

[Shadow Mod]

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SO do they boycott Bayo 2 now or?

Thinking they were going to buy Bayo 2 in the first place when it's on Wee-ooo.

                                          

Implying Nintendo isn't the top choice of manchildren with grudges against women.

 

[Phoenix Dark]

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[Shadow Mod]

nWo comparison

 

[The Legend of Sunblade]

 

[Mr. Nobody]

So...you're saying this was blown out of proportion? 

[nudemacusers]

oh man loving the windmilling over gamergate heroes spitting on their constituents

the william gibson salt in particular nourishes me

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Sunblade, what's your source for those numbers?

[I'm a Puppy!]

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Where are these numbers coming from because I've started my initial twitter pulls and there's way more users pushing gamergate than 300.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

I just found the picture on twitter, i dunno. I'd register to http://keyhole.co/ and find out myself but I'm lazy about it.

[Rufus]

Same here, but I did have a look at Google Trends:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=gamergate&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=date

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Looks lees dramatic here, but still:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=gamergate&date=today%203-m&cmpt=date

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Inteeeel.

[thisismyusername]

the william gibson salt in particular nourishes me

Link the Gibson salt? I have him on my Twitter timeline but didn't run across any drama.

Oh. A retweet but still:

http://m.motherjones.com/media/2014/10/these-geek-icons-are-breaking-gamergates-heart

[chronovore]

https://storify.com/x_glitch/when-the-gamergate-mob-targeted-anil-dash-for-no-r

tl;dr
Anil Dash isn’t even related to games journalism, but GG and some attention-seeking lawyer aligned with them attempted to bait, bully, and cajole him into a fight in which he has no stake.

[Rufus]

Those banana riders are amazing. It's like peering into an alternate dimension.

[Joe Molotov]

This is the worst media exposure gaming has had since Columbine.

With Columbine, gamers could claim they were being unfairly scapegoated, but with #GamersGate, gamers have no choice but to take that L.

[chronovore]

the william gibson salt in particular nourishes me

Link the Gibson salt? I have him on my Twitter timeline but didn't run across any drama.

Oh. A retweet but still:

http://m.motherjones.com/media/2014/10/these-geek-icons-are-breaking-gamergates-heart

From TFA:

Lamented another 8chan user, with no apparent irony: "Unfortunately even misinformed people can put out their opinion on whatever they want, and they've got a large platform to do it with via the internet."

[Steve Contra]

http://gawker.com/the-d-list-right-wingers-whove-turned-gamergate-into-th-1648410811

[Great Rumbler]

https://storify.com/x_glitch/when-the-gamergate-mob-targeted-anil-dash-for-no-r

Just about two months ago, that guy Tweeted this:

I had never heard of "gaming media" until recently. Jesus Christ, guys, put down the fucking video games and stop reading distinguished mentally-challenged sites.

[Joe Molotov]

Gamersgate Hero: (no misogyny)

[Human Snorenado]

A MRA? Who could have predicted!

[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't understand people.  I mean why would you ever post something like that to Twitter? ??

[Human Snorenado]

Thinking lawyers are people

[Howard Alan Treesong]

it's so ethical, my friends

[Barry Egan]

Seems pretty suspicious to me that this guy at Gawker just happens to write this article so soon after he was challenged to a fight.  And we're supposed to believe journalism is objective?!!  Wake me up when someone respectable writes an article, like Tucker Max

/Magus

[Steve Contra]

Tucker Max

[Joe Molotov]

A MRA? Who could have predicted!

Clearly Mike Cernovich is a false flag, COINTELPRO operative who was placed to discredit the GamersGate movement among the non-redpilled.

[Himu]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/21/gamergate-angry-men-harassing-women

"Gamergate is loud, dangerous and a last grasp at cultural dominance by angry white men"

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Chris Kluwe, former NFL player has some choice words:

A whole bunch of other angry neckbeards on the Internet went full Denis Dyack and spitfrothed themselves into national attention by making an array of threats on numerous female game developers [...] Like they’re all little Anne Franks, hiding in their basements from the PC Nazis and Social Justice Warrior brigades, desperately protecting the last shreds of “core gaming” in their unironically horrible Liveblog journals filled with patently obvious white privilege and poorly disguised misogyny. [...]

When I see an article titled “Gamers are dead,” referring to the death of the popular trope of a pasty young man in a dimly lit room, it fills me with joy, because it means WE FUCKING WON.You slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension and even less critical thinking skills who think an article claiming “Gamers are dead” is something bad? Fuck me sideways with a sandblaster.

When people think of “gamers,” I want them to think of Child’s Play, and athletes who play competitive League of Legends, and all the normalization we’ve accomplished over the years. I want them to think of feminism, and games as an art form — something more than mass entertainment. I want them to think of all the amazing things that video games have done, and can do, because that means we get to keep playing more games. But as long as you hemorrhoidal gunt stains continue this asininity, they won’t, and it makes me want to pick you all up collectively and shake you until your rectum leaks out what little brains you possess because YOU’RE SO FUCKING DUMB.

The real gamers, both men and women, look at your frantic rantings about “ethics in videogame journalism,” and they shake their heads sadly, wondering how you could get sucked in by some script-kiddie /b/tards and conspiracy-nut celebrities gleefully using you as a smokescreen for misogynistic hate. [...] You don’t even see your complete idiocy because you’re too busy wargleblargling your face into your keyboard.

You support the idiotic stereotype of the “gamer” as a basement-dwelling sweatbeast that so many people have worked so hard to try and get rid of. And you know what? That pisses me the fuck off. I’ve spent too long as a gamer, seen too much progress made, to let you tarnish that name. I hope you all, every #Gamergater, picks up a debilitating case of genital warts.

The rest of you — find a different hashtag.

[Positive Touch]

SLOPEBROWED WEASELDICKS

[Dickie Dee]

HEMORRHOIDAL GUNT STAINS 

[Great Rumbler]

 

[Take My Breh Away]

Invoke Dennis Dyack as ether material, brehs

[Phoenix Dark]

I think we just witnessed a digital genocide brehs.

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Chris Kluwe is a Path Of Exile stan btw
 

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[CatsCatsCats]

Ethered by a retired punter

[benjipwns]

Even more L's:

In his 2013 Reddit "Ask Me Anything" interview,[39] Kluwe responded that his favorite book is Ender's Game, despite his opinion that the book's author, Orson Scott Card, is a "turd."

...

Kluwe is a libertarian[41] and describes himself as "cheerfully agnostic."[42] Despite holding an openly cynical view towards atheism, Kluwe agreed to speak at the 2014 American Atheists Convention.[42]

[Joe Molotov]

"retired" punter

[Howard Alan Treesong]

A Summary Of The Gamergate Movement That We Will Immediately Change If Any Of Its Members Find Any Details Objectionable

[Mr. Gundam]

Kluwe and Prole should be best buddies.

[Mr. Gundam]

A Summary Of The Gamergate Movement That We Will Immediately Change If Any Of Its Members Find Any Details Objectionable

We would hasten to add, before our Twitter feed is turned into a hellish garbage dump for the worst discussion ever conducted on the internet, that these women driven from their homes, these journalists targeted by hate campaigns, and these websites financially punished for their dissent are all unfortunate victims of a few fringe individuals within Gamergate. That these are the movement’s only tangible achievements so far does not change the fact that this is, at its core, a concerned community dedicated to having a reasonable discussion about ethics in journalism.

And that’s the best part of the whole thing, right? That Gamergate, as a legitimate movement arguing in good faith, can accept criticism and dissent without resorting to vitriolic censorship or threats of violence.

DAAAAAYYYYUM.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

 :deadpos

[Human Snorenado]

All the ether. ALL. OF. IT.

Onion/Clickhole writers

[Himu]

Chris Kluwe, former NFL player has some choice words:

A whole bunch of other angry neckbeards on the Internet went full Denis Dyack and spitfrothed themselves into national attention by making an array of threats on numerous female game developers [...] Like they’re all little Anne Franks, hiding in their basements from the PC Nazis and Social Justice Warrior brigades, desperately protecting the last shreds of “core gaming” in their unironically horrible Liveblog journals filled with patently obvious white privilege and poorly disguised misogyny. [...]

When I see an article titled “Gamers are dead,” referring to the death of the popular trope of a pasty young man in a dimly lit room, it fills me with joy, because it means WE FUCKING WON.You slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension and even less critical thinking skills who think an article claiming “Gamers are dead” is something bad? Fuck me sideways with a sandblaster.

When people think of “gamers,” I want them to think of Child’s Play, and athletes who play competitive League of Legends, and all the normalization we’ve accomplished over the years. I want them to think of feminism, and games as an art form — something more than mass entertainment. I want them to think of all the amazing things that video games have done, and can do, because that means we get to keep playing more games. But as long as you hemorrhoidal gunt stains continue this asininity, they won’t, and it makes me want to pick you all up collectively and shake you until your rectum leaks out what little brains you possess because YOU’RE SO FUCKING DUMB.

The real gamers, both men and women, look at your frantic rantings about “ethics in videogame journalism,” and they shake their heads sadly, wondering how you could get sucked in by some script-kiddie /b/tards and conspiracy-nut celebrities gleefully using you as a smokescreen for misogynistic hate. [...] You don’t even see your complete idiocy because you’re too busy wargleblargling your face into your keyboard.

You support the idiotic stereotype of the “gamer” as a basement-dwelling sweatbeast that so many people have worked so hard to try and get rid of. And you know what? That pisses me the fuck off. I’ve spent too long as a gamer, seen too much progress made, to let you tarnish that name. I hope you all, every #Gamergater, picks up a debilitating case of genital warts.

The rest of you — find a different hashtag.

CLOSE THREAD WE ARE DONE

[Brehvolution]

[nudemacusers]

i see the journalist cabal is hard at work undoing all the legitimate gains being made by gamergate. should be no surprise that clickhole, a largely liberal, feminist content aggregation site is simply regurgitating their taking points. color me unshocked if it comes to light that chris kluwe slept with nathan grayson.

 

[chronovore]

Felicia Day has finally weighed in:
http://thisfeliciaday.tumblr.com/post/100700417809/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-about-gamer-gate

Just makes me goddamned sad that there are so many GG shit heels out there who are FAILING TO ENGAGE THEIR BRAINS, and don’t see the hypocrisy in this path down which they’ve been lead.

TL;DR summary is beautiful in her closing paragraphs:

I have lived a large part of my life ruled by negative emotions, mainly fear and anxiety. From my experience of working through those issues, I have this to say: Steeping yourself in the emotions that you’re surrounding yourself with, of hatred and bile and contempt, is ultimately not destructive to others like you want it to be. It’s destructive to yourself.

I know it feels good to belong to a group, to feel righteous in belonging to a cause, but causing fear and pushing people away from gaming is not the way to go about doing it. Think through the repercussions of your actions and the people you are aligning yourself with. And think honestly about whether your actions are genuinely going to change gaming life for the better. Or whether they’re just going to make someone cross the street away from you. And away from something, ironically, that we both love.